Pakistan: Nukes & The Taliban
By SusanUnPC on April 30, 2009 at 9:00 AM in Nuclear weapons, Pakistan, Taliban
Besides the great news that the State Department’s blog, DipNote, has passed five million page views — how many of those hits do you think come from Hillary’s dedicated supporters like so many of us at No Quarter? – there’s this important story at the blog: “Question of the Week: How Best Can the International Community Support Security in Pakistan?”
Pakistan’s Nuclear Weapons: The Financial Times reports that President Obama’s assurances last night in the press conference — that besieged country’s nuclear weapons are “in safe hands” — have merit.
Pakistan’s senior civil and military officials are sharing tightly held information about the country’s nuclear weapons programme with western countries in a bid to allay fears about the security of warheads in the face of a Taliban advance.
Pakistani officials presented this as a move to satisfy the west that its weapons would not fall into Taliban hands. “We have renewed our pledge to keep our nuclear weapons safe,” said a senior Pakistani official. The briefings were aimed, he said, at “reassuring” the international community that there were adequate safety measures “to keep a complete lid on our weapons”.
On Wednesday night, the Pakistani army claimed it had halted the latest Taliban incursion in the Buner district, 100km north-west of Islamabad, after two days of fighting. At dawn on Wednesday, the army, which has been accused in the west of failing to challenge the militants, airlifted troops behind Taliban lines and, it claimed, forced them to retreat.
“We have successfully blocked the Taliban advances and confined them just to a pocket,” Rehman Malik, the interior minister, said.
The Taliban’s territorial gains beyond Pakistan’s border regions in recent months and the lack of resistance put up by the country’s army have raised fears – particularly in India - that nuclear weapons might fall into the hands of religious extremists.
Although the whereabouts of Pakistan’s weapons are secret, analysts say that some are placed far from the Indian border to allow Islamabad adequate response time in the event of an attack from its old enemy, and fellow nuclear power, India.
Western diplomats said yesterday a Taliban advance on Islamabad threatened to bring militants perilously close to some of Pakistan’s main nuclear installations. But they doubted militants were capable of overwhelming heavily protected installations.
At the weekend, Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, described the toppling of the Pakistani government and capture of nuclear weapons as “unthinkable”.
US officials in Islamabad have assured that the threat of “loose nukes” is small.
Western diplomats say the nuclear programme resides in a “ringfenced” part of the military under the command of a well-respected general and protected from rogue elements within the army that might seek to capture a weapon. Although improvements in the locks and decoupling of weapons systems have been made, Pakistan has not complied with the high level of security recommended to it.
Worries over the security of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons date back to 2004 when the proliferation network of Abdul Qadeer Khan, founder of the nuclear programme, came to light.
One of the dangers identified by the international community was that one of AQ Khan’s scientists might helpextremists gain a “dirty bomb”. Since then, the Pakistani military has tightened monitoring of individual scientists and introduced new inventory systems to track individual components of the bombs.
Some analysts say the greatest threat to nuclear security is from within the army itself. … Read the rest of the section on the military vulnerability.
There are differing views from expert bloggers. For one perspective, check out Larry’s fellow guest on Sunday’s John Batchelor Show, Bill Riggio, who writes for and maintains the Long War Journal, a remarkable blog that tracks every significant story coming out of Pakistan.
For a contrasting perspective, check out Juan Cole’s Informed Comment (h/t PM317) here and here (”Pakistan Crisis and Social Statistics”).
Here’s an example of the differing perspectives. In “Pakistani Army Takes Capital of Buner, Pushing Back Taliban Advance; Obama Considering More Aid, Cole wrote:
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On Wednesday morning, it was announced that the Pakistani military had taken control of Dagar, the capital of Buner district. Fighting remained heavy in the area, with 70 militants claimed killed and another 350 or so still holding out in parts of the district.
The operation in Buner was launched after Pakistani intelligence intercepted a telephone call between Pakistani Taliban leader Mawlana Fazlullah and one of his commanders indicating that their plan was to feign a withdrawal from Buner and then to launch a surprise takeover. The Tehrik-i Taliban-i Pakistan (TTP) stands accused of killing or kidnapping local NWFP security personnel and kidnapping adolescent boys from villages for induction into the TTP paramilitary.
High Obama administration officials appear to have worked themselves into a frenzy about events in Malakand, and propose dealing with it by giving Islamabad more money more quickly than planned and also training Pakistani troops in counter-insurgency. Some US officials suspect duplicity on the part of the government of Pakistani President Asaf Ali Zardari. I take it that means they think the Pakistani military is sanguine about the spread of Talibanism in Malakand because the Pakistani Taliban might be useful in projecting Pakistani influence in the southern Pushtun areas of Afghanistan, which Islamabad considers its “strategic depth.” …
In “Pakistan Crisis and Social Statistics,” Cole asserts that the Obama administration and Western media are being hysterical:
Readers have written me asking what I think of the rash of almost apocalyptic pronouncements on the security situation in Pakistan issuing from the New York Times, The Telegraph, and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in recent days
Cole repeatedly minimizes the capabilities of the Taliban in both articles.
In contrast, Riggio writes in “Taliban still in control in Dir”:
The Taliban are in control of much of the northern district of Dir despite claims by senior Pakistani officials that the region was secured after a day’s fighting.
The Pakistani military operation, which began on April 26, focused on the Madain region in the southern portion of the district of Dir. The Madain region hosts the home town of Sufi Mohammed, the pro-Taliban cleric who is behind the Malakand accord, the peace agreement that established sharia in Malakand, Dir, Chitral, Swat, Shangla, Buner, and Kohistan and put an end to military operations in Swat.
“The government’s writ seems non-existent for nearly 20km from the southern tip of the district,” the BBC reported. Security checkpoints have been abandoned in many regions outside of Timergara, the main city in Lower Dir. The Taliban often patrol the region and establish checkpoints to monitor traffic.
The Taliban are in control of the Chakdara-Talash region and the main road that connects Dir to the Taliban hotbed of Kabal, a sub-district in Swat. This region is used to allow Taliban forces in the Bajaur Tribal agency to link up with their brethren in Swat. Dir also borders Afghanistan, and serves as a conduit for Taliban forces transiting the border.
The reports from Dir conflict with triumphant statements made by Pakistani political and military officials on April 27, just one day after the operation began. Interior Minister
Rehman Malik claimed Dir was under complete control of the security forces. Army Spokesman Major General Athar Abbas said the military successfully completed the Dir operation and claimed 75 Taliban fighters and 10 security personnel were killed during the fighting.But the Taliban have disputed Abbas’ claim that 75 fighters, including a commander named Maulana Shahid, was killed. A Taliban spokesman claimed Shahid was alive, and that only four Taliban fighters were killed. The military often inflates Taliban casualties and claims senior leaders are killed. These leaders more than often appear in the media and mock the Army.
The Pakistani military has relied on artillery and helicopter and air strikes to target the Taliban, and rarely can confirm enemy casualties. The heavy-handed tactics result in villages being leveled and the alienation of the civilian population.
The military and government’s claims of a quick victory in Dir are disputed by Pakistani civilians on the ground.
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My inclination is to stick with Hillary’s concerns as well as those expressed by Bill Roggio at the Long War Journal. Roggio is a frequent guest on John Batchelor’s program. Check our site on Sundays for promos of the show, and Larry Johnson’s regular appearances.









































It seems to me that a story still being untold is the fact that since Obama assumed office security in Iraq has worsened and the Taliban/Al Qaeda is no longer pinned down in part of Pakistan.
It is one thing to show respect to allies and even enemies - it is quite another to kneel down to your enemy and believe you can sing kumbaya.
Hillary’s remark about the Taliban taking control of pakistan and their nuclear weapons as “unthinkable” does not seem to have penetrated the Obama teleprompter and certainly was not in any critical/probing questions thrown at Obama last night.
This is a commander-in-chief who canot even control his own personal jet.
I believe he should forget about his campaign B.S. and start listening and following instructions from David Patraeus.
Obama doesn’t listen and there is no way he follows instructions. “He won”. It’s fun (pizza parties and concerts and photo ops and flybys)and “enchanting”. He is a narcissist and they love drama. It gives them an opening to spew their patholical lies!
We are will going to be so sorry, it’s not even funny. Obama is off apologizing for Bush much of the time, but think of the apologies we’ll have to give after Obama. OMG! If any of us are still able!
The Afghan-Pakistani strategy was designed as a mix of Hillary-like “smart power” diplomacy, elevating non military tools such as economic development and negotiations, with counterinsurgency aid, to help deal with weak and failing states. It was comprehensive and smartly conceived by Holbrooke and Petraeus at Central Command.
The weak links are largely out of our hands — a Pakistani army that holds the real power in the country and a civilian government that is corrupt and divided, totally incapable of effective action. Zardari blames the Bush administration for a force first and force only policy towards the Pakistanis while turning a blind eye to Taliban infiltration from Afghanistan. The Pakistani army comes with a four year history of failed operations against the insurgents followed by appeasement agreements and never seems to learn from these defeats what it means to successfully fight a counterinsurgency. Neither the government or the military has a coherent strategy to defeat the militants on its territory. If they can’t win on the ground, there needs to be an articulated political initiative. Until that happens, any American strategy, no matter how well constructed, is doomed to failure.
Obama administration officials are not the first, nor will they be the last, to “work/have worked themselves into a frenzy” over this issue. As a matter of fact, I suspect that news organizations around the world have worked up a template to that effect: “(Unnamed) Officials have expressed alarm/concern that recent events in (fill in the name of the locale), Pakistan, could lead to the country’s nuclear arsenal falling into the hands of religious extremists.”
Not to downplay or trivialize the seriousness of the events on the ground, but the fact is that both Pakistan AND India have been extremely effective at using their nukes, escalating crises both internal and external and making mischief against each other in places like Kashmir, etc., to shake down and blackmail the West into giving each respective party what it wants.
In fairness to Zardari, I paraphrase what I wrote before: He’s hardly the first and he definitely won’t be the last.
Great points, DCMG.
My personal concern is for the women in the areas that the Taliban is beginning to control. Ever since I watched the beating given to a woman who’d left her home with an unrelated male, I can’t get that image out of my head. God I hate those fanatics.
You see what you don’t understand is that THE CHOSEN ONE will make sure that only the “moderate” Taliban will be taking over. They don’t believe in beating women all the time. And Barry will personally make sure that only the moderates take over - that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is secured - the same way he is making sure that Iran doesn’t build a nuclear bomb and the same way he had total command and control over his own friggin’ airplane that buzzed Ground Zero the other day.
If the Taliban does take over Pakistan it will give him another chance to kneel and apoligize for the U.S. action in extracating them from Afghanistan.
I tried making exactly this point in a lengthy and contentious thread the other day. The Taliban’s brutality cannot be overstated.
http://www.rferl.org/content/Female_Pakistani_Singer_Killed_In_Peshawar/1618412.html
The fate of a singer in the above link.
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On a hillarious suggestion,
One of the cost effective ways to take on taliban is by declaring that their camps are mercilessly hit by Indian drones. It will shame them to no end, they would lose public support in a couple of years.
In the heart of Pakisthan there lies a little Frankeistein :- Any body who can be a greater menance for India is simultaneously a good nationalist and good musalman. If Musharaf has done a deceiving plan to engineer an invasion then his stock rises.If it sinks in that India gave a blow to Musharaf lead invasion, then the army stock goes down.If the jehadi terrorism do spectacular attacks, then their stock rises.
Unfortunately the Jehadis have done a lot of ground work here.
DCM says : but the fact is that both Pakistan AND India have been extremely effective at using their nukes, escalating crises both internal and external and making mischief against each other in places like Kashmir, etc., to shake down and blackmail the West into giving each respective party what it wants.
This sounds profound, but it is profoundly misleading.
When I read stories of taliban takeover, where influential local people are dislodged- their property taken over by invaders to turn into training camps, When I read the influence of state even in punjab, where they managed to cover up the identity of Kasab by taking his relatives away and putting a gag order on the villages, I think the Frankenstein has not been helpful to anybody. Taking away the property after an invasion reminds me to what happened in Kashmir in my life time, thats why I can identify with it so strongly.
Noname:
No one is discounting or diminishing the damage the Taliban is doing in Pakistan. Only a fool or a complete ignoramus would do so.
The fact remains, however, that it is a mistake to discuss the geopolitical realities of South Asia and pretend India doesn’t exist, or that India has no self-interest at stake. Let me add that India has one of the best under-the-radar lobbying operations in Washington. Remember the US-India Nuclear Deal? How many excitable Indians spin doctors did you see on TV or hear on the radio prior to the signing? None you say? Correct. The Indians know how to get things done decisively but discreetly. If the Pakistanis took a page from the Indian playbook, which of course they won’t because they’re too busy squabbling amongst themselves, they’d be much better off.
And I learned long ago that when an Indian or Pakistani with strong views wants to engage me in a conversation about Kashmir it’s best that I move on. Nothing personal. I just think it’s time for both parties to stop scaring the rest of the planet half to death by threatening to nuke each other over a piece of land.
DCMD:
some of your concerns regarding India- including the blackmailing, exploiting dangerous instruments such as nukes might be based either on incorrect information or perception from a distance. That is, if you are not holding on to that conspiracy prone and indulgent subject of geopolitics.
Let me say that, it is extremely difficult for an Indian politician to talk about the military stuff rudely, irresponsibly and then simultaneously win over the population as a benign person.
My response to your passage was based on two factors that I considered important ( Not on geopolitics or that freaking nuclear deal) : Money and military hardware. India gets most of its money and good will from west through trade. It imports most of its military hardware from Russia. These arrangements couldn’t be classified as blackmail.
The Indians know how to get things done decisively but discreetly.
This is a lot of praise, to many it would sound like a sweet Gazhal(song), previously unheard off, nobody bothered to say it to bunch of our politicians before
Have a good day.
DCMD:
I am not sure of this thread is being read anymore, but in case you have missed this video:
It was set in an auditorium which would make anybody nostalgic about any good thoughts about ancient or futuristic grandeur, or at least open space. And then there is a pathetic actor who was drooling on the stage for some reason.
My other attraction was the opening tune of the fute, it was definitely from the other Pakisthan, easily recognizable on the other side of the border.
I am not a humanist, bit insensitive in these affairs, but I can very well understand if somebody starts crying after listening the sweet music and …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo7Aufw5EuI
to know that, the lady who had who filled life into that dead auditorium and then covered the evening with a thick touch is apparently honor killed.
Her voice, trained lifelong to deliver melodious music, might have dried up in deep corners, utterly incapable to describe the intense fear, when being attacked by barbarians. Then and there, If one looked at the army generals, macho nationalists of past, who ruled in their day, they would certainly look like eunuchs .
Juan Cole is a delusional clown. Can’t take serious anything he says.
Why do you say that? Juan Cole is one of the most respected Islamic scholars in the world. Few westerners can match his insight and knowledge.
Just a cheap shot with nothing to back it up!
Funny you are typical of the people on this website. You can’t stand an opposing view for a second. That is the sign of a “delusional clown”.