Patient Zero Search Explodes
By John Batchelor on May 1, 2009 at 11:45 PM in Influenza Pandemic
(bumped up from this morning)
New, fretful, confusing reports from the California border indicates that the A/H1N1 virus was in California before five year-old Edgar Hernandez fell ill on April 2 in La Gloria, Veracruz state. California epidemiologists have located two cases of children in Southern California, a ten year-old boy in San Diego County and a nine year-old glrl in neighboring Imperial County, who fell ill before Edgar Hernandez.
The boy on March 30; the girl on April 1. Both have tested positive for A/H1N1. Neither are known to have had contact with swine.
The new theory is that this killer flu has been circulating for months during flu season along the California-Mexican border. The theory continues that many may have contracted it and recovered in ignorance. Testing for infection is likely to turn up surprising new pockets. The scary strain in Mexico is not said to be distinct form the strain in California. There are many unanswered questions.
The search for Patient Zero has now exploded with overwhelmingly contradictory evidence. The slaughter of pigs in Egypt may be hysteria (above). Then again, the A/H1N1 flu can be anywhere. Do you have it. Did you already? Why is it suddenly a killer? Is this like 1918 — start stealthily and then explode?
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Or was it manufactured in a lab somewhere and is slowly being released to cause panic?
could it be connected in any way to this:
http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/military-lab-loses-virus-samples/
might there have been more than one type of virus in that lab?
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-3995-0-22-22–.html
(longer more detailed article of CID investigation plus info on the lab search)
“…USAMRIID is the Army’s top biodefense lab, where researchers study pathogens including Ebola, anthrax and plague.
In February, USAMRIID halted all its research into these and other diseases, known as “select agents” following the discovery of virus samples that weren’t listed in its inventory.”
The institute’s commander, Col. John Skvorak, ordered research halted while workers conducted a complete inventory of the institute’s select agents.
That inventory is nearly completed, though the exact end date isn’t known yet…”
Whether or not the recent swine flu was created in a la, and it seems more likely not, that is scary.
ruh-roh!
Qui Bono?
Swine Flu Hysteria Spreads Faster than Actual Virus
http://www.infowars.com/swine-flu-hysteria-spreads-faster-than-actual-virus/
lol, let’s not forget who owns a big chunk of tamiflu either
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1148
Is Tamiflu what they are giving to the people with Swine Flu? (I don’t know, myself)
I’m not sure if it’s being given to those with swine flu, but it is being marketed as working against swine flu. apparently people are lining up all over the country to get it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1174150/Surge-buy-anti-viral-drugs-panic-swine-flu-sweeps-Britain.html
make that, “all over countries”
Wasn’t it the reverend Wright that said the US government made the AIDS virus to kill black men? Didn’t Obama meet with the CIA just before his visit to Mexico? Did he personally take the virus to Mexico to test it? The next day Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist died of flu like symptoms after meeting with Obama. Was a test run gone bad? Was it only supposed to infect white men? Obviously our pigs have come home to slop.
Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
My mother survived the pandemic of 1918. She is still living and remembers the only traffic on her street for days was a horse drawn hearse. I guess they must have formulated that virus way back then.
Yes! and ALL lot of people I know had this in March. My husband and I both thought it was the worst flu EVER. I couldn’t sit, stand or lie down because of the aches and pains and it took us two+ weeks to get over it.
My 2 year old developed pneumonia and had a 105° temp….in mid March. By the end of that week, all 3 of us were sick. We have all recovered now.
I am not surprised there are signs this was here already. It is just too coincidental…
errr….”A LOT”
BTW, I am in the Ohio River Valley.
I really didn’t think about it until you wrote something but at the end of Oct I caught something too. At first thinking it was food poisoning, my mother in law tipped me off it was probably the flu after hearing my symptoms. We live in CA….bay area and central valley.
Also, there were pictures floating around of bird flu warnings and people in masks in Asia in March.
Karma, my husband and I were both ill last month and what you said about food poisoning hit home for me. This was exactly my thought and if my husband hadn’t already had it, I would have gone to the ER. I can’t ever remember being so ill and it lasted four or five days and nothing helped. That was the second week in March and we live in Colorado.
There is not a lot of coverage of the genetic analysis of the virus by the MSM except sensational, misleading headlines. But from what is known now about the genetic drift of the virus since analysis began, a reasonable extrapolated start time would be January 09, and could go back as far as September 08.
Both of my sons came down with flu like symptoms around the end of March. My oldest (19) had temps spiking at 103 F, of course when those broke he was drenched. It also took several weeks before full recovery. About a third of my nephew’s school was absent about the same time with very similar symptoms. After a few days of caring for my kids, I started having joint aches and assumed that I would soon be bed ridden so I ran to the store to stock up on supplies while I was still able to do so. My symptoms only lasted a few hours or so, very similar to the common reaction to a flu shot. That lead me to think that I had recieved some immunity from a prior infection from a similar virus. My oldest son said he was the sickest that he could remember. I have a suspicion that this new flu is not so new after all.
We’re in the Puget Sound area of Washington.
Same here in Florida. A lot of folks had a really persistent flu with bronchitis that lasted several weeks. I also am wondering if spring break didn’t bring this to Mexico having originated from this country.
Maybe it was vice versa Doc. Perhaps all those spring breakers picked it up in Mexico around the early middle of March, and brought it back to the four corners of this country. It sure fits the timeline of the flu that swept through this area.
My sons also experienced mild bronchitis. I listened to their lungs several times a day to make sure they weren’t developing pneumonia. They’re all fine now.
My 19 year old went to Mexico on spring break in mid March with some type of virus. He came back a week later still sick with a case of bronchitus. Many kids at his school were sick like this before the break. He is in California. I also thought I was coming down with something after seeing him but it only lasted a day so I must have had some immunity.
Can they test for exposure (antibodies developed) after having the flu to see if someone had swine flu or something else? It would be interesting to know where this flu really started and how long it has been around.
It would be very interesting and informative if there was a national survey on the flu issue that could actually trace the origional provenance of this “new” flu. It is certainly a possibility to use the internet for such a survey. The posts and testements here on NQ have given me much to consider regarding the emergent “swine flu” concerns.
It took decades before the provenance of the AIDS virus was determined, and a much sooner determination may have assisted in research and dispelled many of the myths surrounding AIDS. Greater knowledge of the current flu should be gathered and considered in order to put it into proper perspective. Don’t panic, just wash your hands.
Since you are mentioning the 1918 flu, has any one read the book “Flu” by Gina Kolata recently? I read it quite a few years ago and I seem to remember that in trying to understand why some people were immune researchers found that in the years leading up to the deadly 1918 pandemic milder versions of the virus had circulated.
So perhaps anyone catching this version of the virus will be counted lucky.
Anything is possible. I don’t trust our Government and the people in it. Bunch of carrier hunters, money hungry, self – centered humankinds. I know , like in any Government are corrupt individuals. But, it never was so corrupt like this one. Sorry,that is how I feel.
What’s different from 1918 (and even 1976) is that we have an (even more) irresponsbile press that is looking for any horrible, dire news to throw at its reader (notice, I said reader, not readers) or viewer (no “s”!) to make people panic and feel that they simply must listen to the news.
Now on top of our Depression, we have worldwide death lurking around every handshake, kiss and hug.
Have no fear!
Wonder BO is here!
He’ll fix everything and still have time for pizza.
He is so “all that” he could spend a trillion dollars in the morning before breakfast, fly 500 people to St. Louis for pizza for lunch and be back in time for a celebrity party at the White House in the evening. He is the best ever. Yes, have no fear.
I do feel there is cause to be alarmed. The problem is the rapid spread of this virus. What many people aren’t thinking about is that, while you may not get sick yourslef, it could be very disruptive if many others are. Think about it, garbage men get sick, they can’t pick up the garbage. Truck drivers can’t deliver to grocery stores, there is a shortage of many goods and services because of a shortage of employees, overfilled hospitals and doctors offices when doctors themselves may get sick, too. It is more than just the worry about illness, but it becomes an economical nightmare, too, among other things.
identity — I don’t mean to be flippant about the problem because it is serious. But IMHO the media are unnecessarily scaring people. It really hasn’t sprung up or spread overnight. The healh orgs are just beginning to connect the dots. While every virus has the potential to mutate into a super bug, so far this one hasn’t been all that remarkable relative to previous flu outbreaks. We just need to exercise caution as we would for any health hazard.
Well, the media does always blow everything out of proportion, but if this virus does mutate into something much worse, everyone will be screaming why weren’t we told???
Is it rapidly spreading? Or are reports of cases coming in more rapidly simply because health officials are spending more time and energy than usual looking for them?
To some extent the media seems to be inflating the scale of this event. They seem to do this with any current story that gathers a following. I’m uncertain how much of it is a matter of conscious decisions made by news programers and how much is simply a feedback loop involving ratings.
Keep in mind that news has turned into entertainment. News is a form of “reality television”. There’s a lot of crap news coverage for the same reason there’s a lot of crap TV in general: They want to fill time slots at minimal cost while attracting maximum viewers. They’ll maximize the mileage they get from any one story rather than going out and looking for new facts about a new story. Fear sells. The lurid sells. Tacky, taudry, tabloid Hollywood celebrity crapola sells. A plague is especially good for ratings. It keeps people at home in front of the television.
I’m not always sure what’s real anymore. They’ve cried wolf so many times half of us probably won’t listen or believe when a real emergency comes.
Sorry Ziggy, I don’t talk to bots. Imagine this:
My hand aimed at you (as in: talk to the hand)
So last time I respond to wiggy.
Buh-bye.
Reflexive hostility has pretty much ceased to interest me anyway.
The truth, ziggy. Were you looking for “Reflexive hostility” when you began to post on nq? I don’t want to fight anymore, so I haven’t been here for a while and I began to worry it wasn’t my POV attracting the attacks, but the way I presented myself. Sort of a spiritual crisis. LOL
BTW, ziggy, I agree with your comment.
Ziggy, I have been watching BBC World. It is very soothing in comparison to our entertainment news. At least you are thinking, which is more than I can say for 80% of America right now.
ziggy — this may surprise you, but I agree with just about everything you’ve written. I also think it’s about ratings. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard “Bombshell development! Details right after this message from our sponsor.” Then after suffering through commercials the bombshell turns out to be something so un-newsworthy that it’s already made it to YouTube.
I think it was created in a lab and intentionally spread. In all of this time have they positively isolated any pig farm in Mexico where it suposedly originated? I don’t thnk so, but I could be wrong.
“Scapegoats” are now “scapepigs.” I remember reading about how cats were slaughtered as a suspected cause of bubonic plague, and then the plague-carrying flea infested rats proliferated . . . Find something innocent, and kill it. Somehow makes some folks feel safer.
It might be some sort of anti-Christian thing? Most Egyptians are Muslim. For Muslims, pigs are considered unclean and off the menu. Slaughtering all the pigs in Egypt would primarily damage the Coptic Christian population.
Maybe whoever is in charge there just doesn’t like the thought of pigs in his country. “Never let a good crisis go to waste” is not something we have a worldwide patent on. Nor are we the first to think of it. Nor will we be the last.
One of the cycles of the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic was a mild epidemic in the spring, and summer of that year, followed by an explosion of more severe forms of it in the fall during the typical flu season. I’ve heard some warning about that possibility.
I think the WHO moved the level up to 5 for good reason, because then it motivates more focus in order to slow or stop the spread of the virus. There is reason to be concerned, but it’s still early.
Our normal flu season claims 36,000 lives.
But 36,000 in one year, correct? This is spreading more rapidly and that is their concern.
If you don’t wish to take any precautions, you are free not to. You can also turn off the news so I don’t understand the complaints here.
I think everyone should keep in mind that there has been nothing, but big, huge numbers while Obama is President. We may again need to do the math. Normal flu, H1N1…Normal Budget, Obama’s budget. Everything is overblown. I hope this is one case where it’s not, but c’mon…Obama brings bad luck and this is a great distraction to keep you from knowing what else he’s up to. Yippee skippy. It must be big.
Back during the election many were talking about Cloward-Piven. Basically, the theory of manufactured crisis to drive change. People should have paid better attention, but the hate for Bush was so strong almost nobody realized he was no longer eligible as a candidate. So now we had the financial manufactured crisis which got him elected, The stimulus was so much a crisis, that nobody was allowed to read it, now this crisis as well? Yes, it would appear suspicious. This is turning into the Jerry Springer presidency… not that Jerry Springer wouldn’t make a better President… of course he would.
Pandemic Czars!
Reuters is reporting that WHO will soon raise the level to 6.
And, that will set in motion a host of actions:
We’ll have to establish “Pandemic Czars” in each workplace to ensure that everyone washes their hands [bathroom monitors?]and if someone is sick they make sure they are sent home.
http://www.infowars.com/cdc-wants-pandemic-coordinator-in-workplace/
Personally, I’m more worried about the Obot virus – for which, at the moment, there seems to be no known cure. I hope scientists are hard at work.
I’m glad I seem to be immune to that.
i,m definatly immune.lol.
I think Title IX long ago innoculated me against Obot virus!
http://www.examiner.com/x-6448-Norfolk-Military-Affairs-Examiner~y2009m4d27-Military-prepared-for-swine-flu-pandemic-waiting-for-possible-tasking
meanswhile
back at the bunker, talk of bringing NorthcomPosse comitatus anyone?into play rises.I remember a few months back there were a lot of people stirred up over returning Iraq veterans being trained for deployment within the U.S.? This is interesting. Could flu sufferers be detained in concentration camps? If so, who is going to diagnose whether they in fact have some contagious flu? I know… very premature and off the wall. Just an out loud thought really.
yes that was the 3rd Infantry’s 1st Brigade Combat Team that were attached to US Army North (Northcom). Northcom has already been deployed in several cities mostly on FEMA related stuff, eg flooding in ND and also border patrol with Canada, but also some roadblocks for random search and seizures; also much use of the the National Guard: 400 Massachusetts National Guardsmen from the 126th Combat Support Battalion were at the Boston Marathon.
http://www.infowars.com/new-rapid-response-forces-to-bolster-homeland-defense-mission/
All I’m saying is any of you who don’t want to be concerned, don’t be concerned. Sit in a doctor’s office full of coughing, sneezing people. Go to work and sit next to a sick person. Ride the city bus all day long. I do however, worry about getting ill because I will be out some pay if I am out for an extended illness, and I have a son with diabetes and even a minor illness can become serious for him. I am taking some precautions, just as I am storing food for the next shoe to drop in the economy. I do not like how any of this is going and I do not trust this Government to keep us safe from economic disaster, terrorists, or a deadly or just a nuisance virus. Are you kidding me? Obama in charge and you think that anything is disaster free? Well, go for it. Lick railings if you want. I’m pro-choice in many areas.
not to many many folks licking railings today..
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/05/flight_diverted_1.html
Flight diverted to Boston after passenger complains of flu
May 1, 2009 03:15 + By Martin Finucane, Globe Staff
A United Airlines flight from Munich to Washington has been diverted to Boston’s Logan International Airport because a female passenger complained of flu symptoms, an airport official said.
Flight 903, a 777 containing 245 passengers and 16 crew, has been isolated in the north cargo area of the airport, said airport spokesman Phil Orlandella.
One patient was removed from the plane and was being taken to Masachusetts General Hospital, said Jennifer Mehigan, a spokeswoman for Boston Emergency Medical Services. The other passengers are expected to stay on board and continue to Washington after refueling, airport officials said.
A United Airlines spokesman didn’t immediately return a message seeking comment. Flight 903 left Munich at 5:32 a.m. Eastern time, headed for Dulles International Airport outside of Washington. It arrived in Boston at 1:46 p.m, according to the airline’s website.
Television footage showed the plane on the airfield with its forward door open and firefighters and other emergency workers conferring at the top of rolling stairs, with an ambulance parked at the bottom. A refueling truck was parked nearby.
Ha, I was just going to post that story about the plane diverting to Boston–after having flown all the way from German–instead of landing in DC.
THAT IS RIDICULOUS.
Apparently, it was on the advice of the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Panic anyone?
Good grief! Get a grip people. The plane had flown all the way across the Atlantic. If she had it, everyone was already exposed. They didn’t want it to fly into DC, and diverted to Boston? She gets off in Boston and all of the already exposed passengers go ahead to DC!
BWAHAHAHAHA. What buffoonery.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/01/AR2009050102205.html
Ha, I was just going to post that story about the plane diverting to Boston–after having flown all the way from German–instead of landing in DC.
THAT IS RIDICULOUS.
Apparently, it was on the advice of the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Panic much?
Good grief! Get a grip people. The plane had flown all the way across the Atlantic. If she had it, everyone was already exposed. They didn’t want it to fly into DC, and diverted to Boston? She gets off in Boston and all of the already exposed passengers go ahead to DC!
BWAHAHAHAHA. What buffoonery.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/01/AR2009050102205.html
Apologies for the repeated posts. My server has been screwed up all day, computer doesn’t appear to be downloading at all.
it,s ok.they all mess up now and then..
Difference between USSR Communist media and USA “mainstream media”
In Russia government make media say what they want – even if lie.
In USA “mainstream media” try make government what they want – even if lie..
…..eventually they become same thing?!
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Смешно, but I suspect you aren’t a Hillary supporter,
“but a lot better looking than Comrade Hiliary”
This unprecedented H1N1-H5N1 flu outbreak implicates the Ango-American Vaccine Pipeline, says world leading consumer health protector, Dr. Leonard Horowitz
Consider the skyrocketing stock values of Novavax, Inc., precipitated by dozens of alleged flu deaths in Mexico. Then investigate the leading Anglo-American network of genetic engineers manipulating, mutating, and distributing these viruses. The evidence compels you, for the benefit of public health and safety to seriously consider, even decree, a conspiracy to commit genocide, according to this Harvard trained expert in emerging diseases.
Here, Dr. Horowitz urges an investigation of Dr. James S. Robertson, Englands leading bioengineer of flu viruses for the vaccine industry, and avid promoter of U.S. Government funding for lucrative biodefense contracts, along with collaborators at the US Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC). These suspects helped Novavax, Inc., in Bethesda, Maryland, produce genetically-modified recombinants of the avian, swine, and Spanish flu viruses, H5N1 and H1N1, nearly identical to the unprecedented Mexican virus that is allegedly spreading to the United States at the time of this posting. The outbreak was precisely timed to promote the companys new research and huge vaccine stockpiling contracts.
Scientists at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) are implicated through collaborations and publications involving private contracts with Novavax, a company that obtains its biosimulars through CDC Influenza Branch director, Ruben O. Donis, and Dr. Rick Bright, previously working with Donis at the CDC, now Novavaxs Vice President of Global Influenza Programs.
Descriptions of this virus is pathognomonic, or diagnostic, of a virus that came from Robertsons circle of friends, Dr. Horowitz charges. No other group in the world takes H5N1 Asian flu infected chickens, brings them to Europe, extracts their DNA, combines their proteins with H1N1 viruses from the 1918 Spanish flu isolate, additionally mixes in swine flu genes from pigs, then reverse engineers them to infect humans. The end product could only have ended up in Mexico via the United States from Britain in care of the CDC. The CDC had to have sent them to Novavax, where Rick Brights team is now implicated in a conspiracy to commit genocide—the mass killing of people for profit.
i cant be any sicker than 2003? worst flu ever
or the day the war started were i was sick in bed a week and sick over all for 2 weeks with out medial treatment.all i had to watch on tv was the iraq war on every station.i dont get flu shots in spite what others say, i got sick on the 2 shot iv gotten. so get sick from the flu or get sick from the shot dosnt much matter.
i dont trust a bunch of old tamiflu to make my flu go away in 2 days in stead of 3 days. and of all the flues i had in my life [10+] the doctors never tested me for the flu and shove antibiotice down my throat.
maybe i dont want to be on a goverment flu list.