Like Putting Lipstick On a Pig: Olbermann, Musto, and Yes, Jay Leno
By Ani on May 4, 2009 at 4:35 PM in Barack Obama, Feminism, Gender Bias, Hillary Clinton, Keith Olbermann, MSNBC, Misogyny, NBC, NBC/MSNBC, Obama, Sexism
(bumped up from this morning)
As a liberal from way back, I must say, if anyone on the left allows themselves to be represented in thought or deed by the likes of Keith Olbermann and Village Voice’s Michael Musto, they really need to rethink their life choices. Jay Leno has also earned himself a spot on the “who’s got the attitude of a pig” list by insulting Hillary yet again, but we’ll get to him in a minute. First, Olbermann did a feature on Countdown the other night where they “outed” the unfortunate runner up of the Miss USA contest, Carrie Prejean, as having breast implants! Oh, horrible, horrible and most horrible!! To the pitchforks!!
I bet Keithie puffed his chest up really high to deliver this news! What a precious little rooster he is! As you may be aware, the unfortunate Miss Prejean found herself in the cross hairs for truthfully answering a question she should never have been asked at a beauty pageant – her position on gay marriage. Even the Donald makes clear that question was ridiculous. No other contestants were asked this. Why her? This was nothing more than Perez Hilton trying to gain mileage for his cause in California, as payback, perhaps, for Prop 8 getting passed.
But Mr. Hilton and others like him would do well not to pick on Miss Prejean who had the courage to answer honestly, whether you agree with her or not. Especially since her position is no different than President Obama or VP Biden.
Mr. Hilton would do better to direct his anger toward President Obama, who gave his voters very mixed messages on the subject, saying vote “no” on Prop 8, but that “marriage is only between a man and a woman.” That was what ABC News referred to as a “nuanced position.” I see. It is fascinating that they must all find someone else to project their anger onto because they cannot bring themselves to lay responsibility at the proper door. And guess what, the fault ain’t with Miss Prejean for Prop 8 passing. Many of President Obama’s voters voted “Yes.”
It is hard to even stomach the following transcript, to see the depths of depravity of these two gents as they rip this woman apart with glee:
OLBERMANN (4/30/09): After going rogue at the Miss USA Pageant, Miss California, Carrie Prejean, was enjoying her new title as self-appointed champion of “opposite marriage.” Pageant officials are now retaliating. They’ve outed her—for having breast implants. Our number-one story, Miss California now being accused of using performance-enhancers…
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OLBERMANN: There it is here, Miss California is opposed to same-sex marriage, which is at least marriage between two human beings, but she has fully endorsed now marriage between a man and a woman who is partially made out of plastic.MUSTO: Well, she’s dumb and twisted. She’s sort of like a human Klaus Barbie Doll. I mean, you tell Perez Hilton you’re against gay marriage? That’s like telling Simon Cowell you’re against screeching a show tune. This is the kind of girl who sits on the TV and watches the sofa. You know, she thinks innuendo is a Italian suppository. Can I keep going? On the pageants now, they really should have easier questions, like what’s your middle name or what show was Seinfeld on. I mean, this girl’s a ding-dong. I didn’t even like her earrings.
OLBERMANN: The cruelest cut of all. The outcomes here, too. Perez Hilton looks like an intellectual titan and some sort of civil rights leader. And the new poster girl against same-sex marriage is not just a boob, but a fake boob. This is a real win for this cause, is it not?
MUSTO: Well, Perez is the new me, let’s leave him alone. And using the C word is something I wouldn’t do. But yes, Carrie Prejean, however you say it, she’s getting something off her chest. But what she really needs to get off is the price tag there.
OLBERMANN: Now, the moral in this is what? Never cross a beauty pageant official who knows you’ve had implants?
MUSTO: Yes, exactly, that’s it. This has escalated to a public shaving. I mean, and what Moakler has left out, Keith, is they also paid for Carrie to cut off her penis, and sand her Adam’s Apple and get a head-to-toe waxing. I know for a fact that Carrie Prejean was Harry Prejean, a homophobic man, who liked marriage so much he did it three times. Now he’s a babe who needs a brain implant. Maybe they could inject some fat from her butt. Oh, they have?
OLBERMANN: There it is, your guilty pleasure. The one and only Michael Musto of the Village Voice. As always, good to talk to you, Michael.
Geez, guys, why don’t you just point a camera into your locker room while you slap each others’ naked butts with a towel? There is something sick and sad about this. What does it say about Keith Olbermann that he takes “guilty pleasure” about denigrating the mind and body of this woman, whatever her personal beliefs may be? With all the important news, and yes, even with all the other “guilty pleasures” out there, I wonder what made Olbermann once again, spend time demeaning and insulting a woman. I hate to give the guy oxygen, but clearly if he didn’t think he’d find a grateful audience for this sort of tripe, he wouldn’t be doing it.
Furthermore, if this woman were pro gay marriage (unlike Obama), waving an Obama sign, shouting “yes, we can!”, do we still think Olbermann and Musto would have decided to single her out and talk about her this way? If she had the “correct” politics, her implants, or anything else about her, wouldn’t be a problem for them. While we are on the subject, not long ago, President Obama appointed Governor Kaine to be the new Chairman of the DNC. He is reeeaaally against gay marriage. Got any “guilty pleasure” segments devoted to picked on this gentleman, Keith? I thought not.
Hypocrites, much?
But hey, don’t feel bad, he isn’t the only pig who could use a little lipstick to pretty himself up.
As Rev. Amy reported yesterday, Thursday night, Jay Leno joined the fray yet again to prove that sexism and denigrating characterizations of women are alive and well – even though the election is long over. While dancing around the dial Thursday night, this was the joke I was unfortunate enough to hear Jay Leno tell in his monologue:
“Kenyan women have vowed to withhold sex until their leaders stop bickering — they said they got the idea to withhold sex from a recent visit from Hillary Clinton.”
Thank you, Jay Leno, for advancing the theory to the audience that Hillary Clinton must be a robotic, frigid, ice queen. Surely everyone knew that — didn’t they? For anyone who laughed at this joke, you belong with Keith and the rest. Nothing like being disrespectful for no reason to an honorable public servant who is carrying your guy’s water! She is also the one who has been saying “women’s rights are human rights” for many years. Remember, Jay? But surely, let’s trash someone who is an advocate for women. Why not? It’s still open season for your cheap jokes, isn’t it?
Just to provide a little context, Jay also nailed Biden for his little gaffe about the swine flu – but he was making a joke at the man’s expense with some cause – VP Biden screwed up running his big yaw to unintentionally cause a panic. But why did Jay bring Hillary up? What possible reason could he have to make her the brunt of yet more insults? The woman has higher popularity than even the President right now, surely because she has already logged in over 75,000 miles working to improve our foreign relations. She has restored the State Department as the center of US foreign policy, as opposed to leaving it in the hands of the military. Wow. Sounds awful.
Surely we must find a reason to make sure the audience laughs at her. Personally, I don’t find Leno funny and never have. He’s always been a rather cheesy comic. But he has a huge following — this is the best he can do? Certainly, this is not the best we can do.
It is the year 2009 and apparently, many of the boobs on the news (whether these males have boobs are not), and our typical misogynist comedians, can find nothing else to talk about, joke about, crow about than to make women the brunt of their foolish put downs and insecurity.
I will not give it a pass. This “boys will be boys” crap is way old and indicative of the fact that in this day and age, too many outlets are sending the message that it is still not necessary to treat women with respect.
Until men and women stand up in a loud voice and protest, boycott and shout from the highest hill this has to stop – guess what? It’s not going to. Let those who would demean women find new jokes to tell or find themselves out of a job.
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By Sarah Palin (Release date: November 17. 2009)
The most ironic thing about Miss California is that the words that she used to talk about the gay marriage issue are the SAME EXACT words that Obama has used. The quotes are almost identical. I just keep wondering when people are going to wake up?
Waiting: I suspect Barack Obama will have the same honeymoon period as Bush. For his whole first term, Americans kept cutting him slack and would not look at him objectively no matter what outrageous thing he did. It will be the same with Obama. Finally, he’ll go too far and then the tide will turn. Then, we’ll have the Republicans discredited, the Democrats discredited, and something new will have to happen in this country. I just wonder what shape it will be in by that time.
That is what I am waiting for. I don’t know if it will be better, but I hope people will wake up.
You are right if we get the v shaped recovery. In that case he will get a second term. But if it is L shaped recovery, the implosion of Obama will happen prior to 2012. The consumer credit fallout has not hit yet. But once we hit bottom, the recovery pattern will be like Japan, in my opinion.
Yes, because all the money being spent is actually a hindrance to a normal recovery. It just perpetuates the “crisis”. Which is bad for us… but good for this administration. Interesting in a perverse way… what is bad for us is good for the administration. Everything is and forever will be crisis mode with these guys. If we don’t have a corresponding crisis to match the agenda at hand then one will be created.
Which is identical to the position we found ourselves in during the last Administration. Leaders who occupy the fringes have to have a means to rally the herd.
ANi: exactly. The official Democratic position on gay marriage has always been civil unions, not marriage. And when you think about it, why does it have to be called marriage unless these people are trying to co-opt a traditional arrangement that has been heterosexual for centuries. I have always believed it’s just volatile to go after “marriage” terminology.
Why not fight for civil unions? The benefits come with those. This is the kind of denial that is destroying the U. S. Gays are different. That doesn’t mean they are bad or sinful or less valuable than heterosexuals. Why not embrace that difference and celebrate it? Have their own unique legal relationship–civil union.
Actually, heterosexual marriages are civil unions. The law has nothing to do with the marriage ceremony-that is the church.
I agree. The government should only be in the business of civil unions. Marriage should be done through the church. That way, any couple could obtain a legal civil union and the churches could marry whomever they want. Gays have been married in various churches for many years. Civil unions are important to obtain legal benefits.
That would put a lot of Justices of the Peace out of work. Most municipalities recognize a marriage performed by a judge as a valid legal marriage, and not just a civil union. And I won’t even get into the issue of marriages performed by ship’s captains or Elvis impersonators in Las Vegas.
I agree, well said.
tek, you are so right on!
I have been in a Civil Union (Don’t call it a marriage!) with my partner for 12 years. I agree with you completely, as do most of the long term male couples I know. I can never get a coherent answer from Gay Marriage Activists to your and my question: “Why not fight for Civil Unions?”
What answer I do hear from these people to that queston is the their inane”Seperate but equal” jabbering.
Gay Marriage Activists’ “Seperate But Equal” line absolutely enrages the African-American Community! That comparison, without a doubt, was a huge factor in the CA Debacle. But they don’t have enough political sense to stop arguing it. Gay Marriage Activists are in complete denial over how much the African-American Community hates homosexuality! African-Americans hate homosexuality as much as White Fundamentalists do! It was the African-American Obama voters who put an end to Gay marriage in CA. They can’t accept this hard,harsh, ugly political fact. So desperate freaks, like this Perez thing, engineer Media stunts like this Bullshit with Miss CA to continue the canard that it is only White Fundamentalists who oppose gay marriage.
“Gays are different..Why not embrace that difference and celebrate it?” That’s what I thought “Gay Pride” was about.
Oddly enough, the cries of “Gay Marriage” are mainly emitting form self-described “Queers”, the more radical, and pathetic, elements of the LBGT community. I can’t quite wrap my mind around a soi-disant “Queer” shrieking about about the inequities of “Seperate But Equal”. At best, “Queer” is synonymous to “Seperate.” And honestly, If society was forcing these “queers” into “gay marriage”, they would be frothing about being forced into mock heterosexual institutions and be demanding to create their own special relationships with its own name. So, tek, you are once more right when you speak of their desire to be “Volatile”.
How did you gain so much insight?
Chelsea: just paying attention and using logic. Too bad no one in the government does the same!
You’re spot on. In addition, there are a lot of other groups to which a little logic might go a long way.
Civil unions are not equal legally to marriage. Viva our differences is costing me money, my friends. I pay more in taxes and get less benefits with my partner of 14 years, plus raising two children and putting them through college.
I am tired of supporting the heterosexual marriage lifestyle. I would support rescinding of all special benefits for married heterosexual couples including beneficiary and spousal death benefit. Heterosexual can support lawyers with a bag full of legal documents as well as I am supposed to do.
Wouldn’t it be easier to argue for Civil Unions, entailing the same rights and responsibilities that are found in Marriage then to try to change the definition of marriage?
And Frankly, Linda C. I don’t get the sneering dismissive attitude of your final paragraph.
Why do you want to be part of the “heterosexual marriage lifestyle” that that you are so “tired of supporting”? What does that mean?
You are so filled with anger and resentment that want to take people’s rights away?
You do not do your cause any good.
1. Beauty pageants are by definition sexist.
2. She answered truthfully. Some people didn’t like what she had to say. So what? If you believe in something strongly you should be prepared to take the heat. I don’t think Miss California has suffered too much as a result of taking a stand.
3. Who cares about anything Perez Hilton has to say?
4. As I commented in an earlier post, if she’s THAT religious I’d think she could make her point at some other venue instead of parading around a meat market dressed in a bikini.
5. Why was she asked the question? Because Prop 8 was voted on in California, maybe?
6. The whole Olbermann exchange re: breast implants was ridiculous, pointless, offensive and embarrassing, but then again is anyone suprised given his behavior over the past year?
As to #4, did she have a choice concerning her point ? Wasn’t she asked, wasn’t she forced to reveal her mind on the matter ?
Secondly, I guess at some point it should become apparent to people that no matter what religion is claimed or not claimed to be past or presently in use, all sorts of strange or vile positions on any matter may or may not be the result, huh.
If one assumes anyone claiming a Christian upbringing must believe and promote a certain set of rules that can be predefined concerning certain topics, they really aren’t living in this or even the last century, are they ?
How does that work for people, with our recent growing knowledge about Islam ? Does any of it work there ? Do they all promote and believe the same set of rules on all the promoted topical matters as well ?
I just find it immensely ridiculous that religion is even considered the controlling force anymore in individuals ideas or publicly stated beliefs, here in the USA.
I find much more often than not, religion is used as a tool to deflect any thought or arguments pro or con, and to assign blame, by those who claim such wether or not they possess religion in the same manner - and that of course would include the attacks on Islam, not just the attacks on Christianity.
So was it her choice, did she bring it up ? Should she have pled the 5th ?
Maybe you meant PH never should have asked ?
Of course she had a choice concerning her point. She made her POV clear. Why infanitilize her? She has the courage of her convictions.
And by the way it’s not as if she’s suffered as a result. She’s 100 more famous now and has had more doors open to her than she would have had she just been one of the 49 other contestants, INCLUDING the woman who won the pageant.
No one put a gun to her head and “forced” her to reveal anything. She wasn’t coerced. She entered that pageant of her own free will.
I regard these contests as degrading to women
that being said, what you’re saying is no one forced the woman to be honest. But she did because she has a conscience. Some people just don’t know how to appreciate the value of that.
The people who disagree with her have a conscience too. Just because she has an opinion doesn’t mean she’s immune from criticism.
But I’m sure you would agree that criticism should not include raking her over the coals because she has breast implants.
I’m talking about people who disagree with her point of view, not smirk about her decision to get breast implants. That’s just infantile.
hey, i appreciate somebody speaking their mind; nevertheless, she was wrong, and other people are allowed to speak their minds about *that*.
Well, you were saying if she is “religious” she shouldn’t be in a bikini parading around on national TV - hence deserves no pity for what some say are overblown and unfair attacks, and instead she profited ( in a sideways manner you point out ).
My point was, the religious angle is what is overblown, hence your point on bikini means nothing.
However, she was coerced for an answer, on stage, in the moment.
It’s not that she entered the beauty pageant, you should have said she failed to refuse to answer or run off the stage - that I could accept. That would be correct. That would also have elicited reasons for examination.
Either way, then comes the question of course, should just one question be so controversial that it is not within a fair breadth for the contest ?
I do believe that is the real question that should be properly assessed and answered.
That’s why so many have considered her plight to be unfair, if you ask me.
Were the other questions of such a nature that the answers would be explosive either way ?
I certainly do not think so.
So Perez Hilton is the one whom has done wrong, and people should realize that in it’s barest sense.
Actually it means quite a bit and is not overblown. One cannot cherry pick the religious principles to which they will adhere and those to which they will not. Selective morality and its brother, selective indignation, are the ultimate in hypocrisy.
Why on earth is wearing a bikini considered relevant to one’s religious views (unless you’re Amish)? That whole line of reasoning is nonsense.
Thank you.
I guess my best point was the question itself is out of bounds;
Otherwise, for a reasonably fair contest, all the contestants get a similarly explosive question based upon the specific agenda of the judge asking, and are scored based upon their knowledge of that specifics judge’s preference, and their willingness to answer for that reason. Except the other judges might very strongly disagree.
So the problem really is, the query was extremely unfair and ill concieved for the contest.
Similar questions that have a very high incidence of radical public fighting over the answer should be banned, or forced upon all the contestants or just the finalists, for sake of at least an appearance of some kind of fair outcome.
The question was probably out of bounds and she should have asked for another question. But she gave an opinion and can be called on that opinion.
I concur. A better idea, however, would be to get rid of these spectacles as they objectify women. I haven’t watched one since I was a 13-year old.
Oh gee, the closet door opens, and the contest ban emerges.
So you haven’t seen her answer, either, nor the question, nor how it was posed, or maybe only read about it ?
I see.
Nice. So are you the religious zealout I so often hear about, or are you the type of person hoping for some moral support in the forum suddenly, and saying anything to get it ?
Wow, you make a lot of assumptions about me troll. I wasn’t sure but am now-you’re another extremist bot playing on Mommy’s computer.
I thought your first comments were a bit childish, but this other blather of yours is downright moronic. You really need to stop drinking so early in the morning, or else quit posting while you’re drinking, Goober.
She can parade around all she wants in a bikini. I never said it was wrong, although it is more than a bit demeaning. That being said, when one brings religion into the mix with a view on gay rights, then that person opens the floor for discussion on moral consistency, as a minimum. That is my only point.
What do you mean as a minimum ?
She has a right to any religious belief, and to call it anything she wants to call it, or to not name it - and she didn’t name it in her answer, did she ? -(as far as I’ve seen only people like you are labelling it as the only thing she said: ” I’m a Christain and therefore I’m against gay marriage!”)
Golly, you sure hear a lot in your head, and fill in endless lines of radicalism and fundamentalism in your imagination.
I see now you’re against, or so you say, the “demeaning nature” of the beauty contest, but seconds ago you could care less if she runs around naked.
lol
You’re just plain wrong. That’s all. You’re just attacking to attack.
Good golly, so now it’s more than demeaning but it’s not wrong.
Are you having personal religious interpetation problems ?
Well, that assumes anyone with a (or any) religious belief has all the same principles that stem from that belief and is required in all actions to knowingly follow those, exactly, and those endless conditions required actions are known to those inside and outside the religious practice, and are agreed upon.
This obviously is not true.
I don’t disagree with your concern, however people are not always taught religion based up on some perfected idea of all it’s multitude of tenets, so what you claim is required is impossible.
Are you saying wearing a bikini in public is a sin ? If so, whose religion has determined that ?
Perhaps you are referring to the marriage issue, but her answer concerned her parents influence, much more than some religious influence. She also stated that as an adult it’s what she has chosen to believe - almost in a way that was an excuse concerning her upbringing.
Nonetheless, exact adherence to religion, and it appears specifically public ideas of Christianity, are what you argue upon, but that’s a ridiculous basis.
The question concerned a governmental edict in the public’s eye, and how the government should handle the law and the Consitution (federal +/or state) concerning that matter.
I don’t believe what you are claiming matters, matters at all.
It assumes what she said she believes as an answer is contained only by her strict adherence to your idea of Chrisitan perfection. (not that your interpretation of requiring strict adherence on every count or your disapproval is wrong)
So what you’ve done is claim she adhered to your conception of Christianity in that single answer, perfectly ?
It appears only that, and nothing else is on your mind, and you have as well claimed that about her, yes ?
See my answer to Portia, above. Consistency is not ridiculous and inconsistency should raise skepticism. That it doesn’t for you, is not my concern. Aside from that, I don’t care if she parades around naked.
You’re avoiding everything you posted - and claiming your demand for absolute adherence to your ideas on religion and bikinis and her supposed religious beliefs claimed to exist, by you, is the end all and be all of the matter.
Now were back down to can you find a religious hypocrit ? Maybe that’s all you ever were saying.
She’s a hypocrit because you say so, because you hate someone pretending they have a religion when they break your idea of perfectly adhering to what you say is part of that religion, even though you may or may not practice that religion yourself, and you could really care less about that religion, but the person you’re attacking has to perfectly live it’s every tenet you claim is there and interpet for all, or you’re on their back screaming hypocrit ?
You’re not all there, friend.
She made the religious claim, not me. Parading around in a bikini is not adhering to those same principles, imo.
I stand by my statement. Her indignation is selective, at best. Moreover, she answered the question, which no one forced her to so do. She is accountable for her statement just as anyone else is. I reserve the right to question both her motives for such a statement and for her apparent lack of consistency.
Nice ad hominem abusive.
Your ad hominem abusive sums up your entire post.
That’ not an answer, and I didn’t issue an asnwer as an ad hominem, I used an insult as my conclusion about you.
My point being that your “Amish” mission is all about the religion in your head, that you want anyone you percieve as claiming to know about it as well, to adhere to your ideas concerning the religion - and you don’t even KNOW if it’s the same religion - since you admitted to not have watched the contests, and your real line is BAN them because they religiously offend you.
Fine let’s have some legislation for ya, religious zealout. I’m sure plenty of non religious ladies will agree with you, as you exploit the “exploitation factor” with perhaps very sinful comrades in collusion.
Now there’s a thought for you.
SiliconDoc: Huh? I know you’re trying to defend her but please try to do so in a coherent way. I can’t follow what you’re writing. From what I was able to glean, however, it sounds like you’re deliberately misquoting me. Whatever.
Overblown? These are her own words:
http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=30318
Beauty pageant contestants know that part of the competition involves answering questions. A woman who enters a contest of her own free will and knows the rules is aware of the fact that they may be asked a controversial or difficult question. So no, I don’t feel sorry for her. Are you saying she should have special consideration because of her religious beliefs? Come on. Again, on the one hand she chose to parade around half naked on a stage while later talking about being “biblically correct”. Come on now.
I concur, DCMediagirl. She opened the door to the subsequent remarks from commenters and commentators by answering a question that never should have been asked and that she should have declined to answer. And as you said before, no one forced her to answer and no one told her what to say. It is her statement and hers alone.
None of which excuses Olbermann’s rant or picking on her about breast implants.
Of course not. Olbermann has demonstrated repeatedly that he’s an ass.
I never commented that it did. I have always found KO to be a misogynist and tidal boor and Musto is beyond contempt. That being said, she is accountable for her publicly-aired opinions and they are fair game. I won’t be PC on any side of this issue. I didn’t care for her opinion, irrespective of who is criticizing her.
Then we are in agreement.
I don’t have a problem if someone wants to criticize based on an issue, but the sexism, personalities, looks, all the rest of it, should be left out of the discussion.
Olbermann has to resort to these tactics because they bolster his false premise and empty arguments. As I stated earlier, if he finds this to be a flawed position why not take issue with DNC Chairman Kaine, or with President Obama? And do another of his “Mr. President, You’re Wrong” commentaries? I think we can wait long on that one.
I didn’t know she could ask for another question ? Is that how it works, or did you just claim that ? Has ANOYONE up there ever declined to answer ? NO
Doesn’t happen, and they don’t get to ask for another question, either.
So after the fact, the only one who did anything wrong was the person asking the question.
I also see now you’re not the religious zealout of Christianity you pretended to be, you’re just the attacker who will attempt to enforce their beliefs upon them, attack if you think there is some inconsitency, and then BAN the whole matter anyway, because your beliefs are ” it’s demeaning” and it’s not wrong but ban it.
I bigger religious zealout than the supposed religious zealouts themselves, is that what you mean Silicondoc ?
EXACTLY.
Thanks, you’re not only correct, you’re amazing, and you’re posting to yourself.
Yes, I have to, I’m surrounded by people that are more the zealout than an 18 year old purported Christian they denounce, they are really, really super zealout, and their beliefs head closer to ISLAMIC doctrine - cover the women head to toe, no “viewing” - no sexy object exposed skin type stuff.
Scary.
Yep.
TTYL.
I see, so we can safely conclude Perez Hilton knew all about her, and specifically attacked with the question because of it. That is what appears to be correct now, certainly what I believe. The extended periods of all the goings on and email alone settles that one.
With endless minutes of interview, and further support and defense needed instead of being abandoned, she said what everyone expected her to say, after the fact, and no doubt made sure she said in the interviews.
In this I am supposed to conclude that only religion bars belief in gay marriage, and furthermore, that therfore religion must be crushed or removed from people, or gay marriage won’t happen, except by usurpation of power.
Interesting.
How about “questions like these are off limits or forced upon everyone on stage, one or the other” ?
You make a very good point, DCMedia Girl. Prancing on a runway , half-dressed, while grasping your Bible is a wee bit incongruous. Almost silly.
I don’t feel sorry for this young woman. In fact, in an age of publicity she’s doing very well. I couldn’t even tell you what the winner looks like or what her name is.
The Perez guy [whoever he is] is an unpleasant and self-righteous jerk. For the life of me, I can’t understand anyone listening Musto. Whenever I see him on TV, I turn the channel. His whole shtick is to be offensive and nasty [and this we call funny?]. Olbermann is just another media whore with no credibility. And Jay Leno? I can take him or leave him. I don’t watch the show, never did.
I did find the woman on FOX, a self-proclaimed feminist, snarking on Prejean very offensive. But then, I’ve given up on the so-called feminists when they were so enthusiastic to heap all manner of abuse on Sarah Palin and were so very willing to throw HRC overboard for the true feminist: Obama!
Hahaha.
Hummmm. And what does feminism mean again?
Hey, we can disagree philosophically with another woman [as I do with Palin]. But diving into the same sort of sexist attacks that we [modern women are suppose to hate] is a major disconnect. And hypocritical to the max.
So, I guess we can agree: the world is still filled with jerks in 2009. And that includes both men and women.
All Olbermann/Musto exchanges are embarrassing. In my day they used to accuse women of tearing other women apart with catty bitchy comments.
Now that men have taken over this stereotype, it frees us women to take the high ground, as we should.
This is what’s known in vulgar parlance as a “circle-jerk”: 2 or more adolescent males sit around in a circle and watch each other masturbate. Embarrassing? Beneath contempt.
Yuck, oowawa, that is one ugly visual! I haven’t watched KO or that idiot Musto since Feb of 2008. They truly are
Perhaps it’s demeaning (to news progams), as some attackers think about the beauty contest itself, demeaning.
As to #4 — she was not looking for a platform to discuss her views on gay marriage but rather was blindsided by Perez Hilton — this is a completely inapprorpiate venue to be asked such a question and she answered to the best of her ability. She did nothing wrong here. In this case, Hilton is at fault. If it is ok to ask a question like that, then EVERY contestant should have been asked loaded questions as well, not just her.
As to her parading around in a bikini, I do not care for beauty contests either, but I certainly do not judge her negatively because she entered one.
I couldn’t care less that she entered this contest or about her opinion on any issue whatsoever. What I’m saying is that it’s ironic that on the one hand she expresses her opinion of a controversial issue based on her religious beliefs, yet chooses to walk around half naked on a stage while doing so.
Again, what are people upset about? She answered honestly. She’s made no apologies for her answer. She didn’t misspeak and she wasn’t misquoted. She’ll end up doing very well for herself. So why is everybody rushing to “defend” her? Defend her from what? She’s not a child.
This is not about defending her. Nor was my post about defending her. I am sure she is quite capable of speaking for herself.
This is about the continuing, disgusting sexist rants that pass as some sort of discourse in this country that I, for one, am sick of. And the likes of people such as Olbermann who practice cognitive dissonance and choose to pick on her for her stance on gay marriage all the while pretending that the chosen messiah et al don’t hold exactly the same position. But they do.
I agree with Ani, Olberman is a freak with his attacks, on women or anyone, that doesn’t follow his lead. His shrill fake voices when imitating people is so childish it makes me shudder. I can’t understand how anyone would listen in a serious way to him. After what he did to Hillary and her supporters and later,Palin{who I completely dislike}but hate the way she was attacked daily,I find him to be the joke. At times I called MSNBC because I thought with all the others calling to voice their outrage, maybe it would change HUH!!
I don’t watch Leno,Letterman or any that have such bad writers that they attack Hillary,Palin,Bill, Monica after all these years. It literally sickens me so, they are gone from my tv along with others doing the same.
That beauty contestant at least answered the gay issue in her honest opinion,something I thought we all were intitled to,hilton is an ass .I totally disagree with her but we ALL intitled to have an opinion. OB wasn’t as honest ,as he say actions do speak out more than words,starting with rick warren ,and all those supporters of his in califorina in killing the marrige act. Those that believed OB was favorable to gays are just as mistaken as if they believe he is for the poor and middleclass. Anyway thanks for the great article here on NQ,I sam 100% in agreement thank you
Uhh, if people are defending her, why are you attacking her? She is not a child, so why do you attack ?
If you want to attack her, go do it in person, instead of in a forum, where you really are attacking her in order to promote your position or further your opinion.
I think your lame EXCUSE about defending her, after you decided to attack her is about as PATHETIC as it gets.
It is really, really pathetic.
So should all those who disagree with your attacks just SHUT UP or agree ?
I mean how do you even type something like that ?
Have you invited her to the forum to DEFEND HERSELF ? Is she here ?
Come on, don’t be a juvenile, or worse.
Will she have a glass of wine after the contest? Certainly Catholics have no problem with drinking as do many Protestants. So what’s the problem with her walking around in a bikini? Maybe that’s not a sin in her church. I’m a former protestant, I’m not religious, but I don’t remember any such stricture about bikinis. Not in my denomination, which is one of the largest in the US.
DB
Will she have a glass of wine after the contest? Certainly Catholics have no problem with drinking as do many Protestants. So what’s the problem with her walking around in a bikini? Maybe that’s not a sin in her church. I’m a former protestant, I’m not religious, but I don’t remember any such stricture about bikinis. Not in my denomination, which is one of the largest in the US. If she’s half naked she’s half clothed too.
DB
And just for the record, I don’t think that beauty pageant contestants should have to answer questions or compete in a “talent” round. Let’s be frank - those women are there to be judged on their looks. I’ve never had to wear a bikini to a job interview (thank God).
What you’re talking about is a wet t-shirt contest perhaps, or a centerfold if not in person.
If what you’re saying is all those women are good for is there looks, it is more than clear you’re the one with the problem, not the rest of the people who disagree.
One certainly hopes your talents get you the job, but to claim beautiful women have no talent to speak of, is of course, as you have done, very, very sexist indeed. It’s the dumb blonde stereotype on steriods.
Great job. Not.
Oh, come on Silicon Doc. You can’t tell me anyone takes these beauty contests as a measure “of talent.” It’s all about they way you look and carry yourself. I remember watching the Miss America competitions and the so-called “talent” was often pretty lame. Unless you consider baton-twirling a serious art form or an expression of who these women truly are. Yes, there were a few who could actually sing or play an instrument.
But they were the exception to the rule.
Beauty contests are just what they say they are: beauty contests. They’re all about the superficial, the outer shell. Doesn’t mean some of these women haven’t gone on to have careers or become decent spokespersons for one issue or the other. Doesn’t mean some women aren’t drawn for the scholarship money [particularly in the Miss America contest].
But to suggest that exposing oneself to public purview and examination doesn’t open oneself up to the vagarities [and often the vulgarities] of the public is just plain silly.
A beauty contest is “not” a serious platform. I’m sure there are a whole array of reasons these women decide to compete. But serious “art and/or talent” isn’t one of them. Unless, they’re deluded.
These women make a choice. And whatever happens, happens. Sometimes it’s good, sometimes bad. But it goes with the territory. You pay your money and you take your chance!
Totally agree!
With Ani’s comment above @ 12:23.
It’s my understanding that when Olbermann left ESPN for MSNBC the average intelligence for both places went up.
He and Matthews are typical members of the Cult of Obama and as such can’t be argued with. Rational thought, logic and the truth fly out the window when Obama enters the building. Letters to NBC management will have no effect because without the O-bots they would have no audience.
For sure. It didn’t have to be that way, however. What NBC has done will haunt them later. The obamabots will move along after finding something shinier and newer to occupy their vapid existence and NBC will be left holding an empty bag.
The obamabots will move along after finding something shinier and newer to occupy their vapid existence and NBC will be left holding an empty (douche)bag.
Olbermann?
LMAO. Make that several empty crocks of manure-Olbermann, Tweety, Shyster, and ME-ka.
Olbermann got his job at MSNBC because his Uncle Morrie had clout in the boardroom. hahaha
Does anyone else find it offensive that Olbermann denies his Jewish heritage? Yeah yeah, I know, he was raised as a Unitarian. So what? A lot of liberal Jews joined that church. He’s still ethnically Jewish, but he denies it. Why? Probably for the same reason that Olbermann claims to be a graduate of an Ivy League school. He has to lie. It’s what liars do. 
How many Obamabot do you think have fake boobs? I know a few, personally. But maybe Olbermann et al think all his women supporters are lesbians who don’t care about feminine allure. (no offense to lesbians)
Just as straight people come in all shapes, sizes and from all walks of life — and have different degrees of interest in “allure”, the GLBT community does also. Sterotypes of any kind do not advance us.
As a Hillary supporter, I did not appreciate it when people were making generalizations about me last year — most of which were wrong.
Just sayin’.
Has Olbermann been transferred to the Comedy channel yet ? Maybe it should be the Playboy jokes by video page ? He could do a video with a url on the jokes.
Maybe the Smut Channel is a better place for the joker.
That’s what I think. I’m not sure why I’m supposded to listen to any of this in relation to a Miss America Contest or to a supposed news commenter.
I could always pay per view for depravity, right ?
Must we all be assaulted by the endless sexualizations of everything ?
I was just on another page here, and there was none of that. I guess it isn’t always neccessary no matter what.
I disagree that Oblermann thinks his watchers will appreciate what he did with this. I think he can’t help himself, it’s just too much fun for him.
Who knows what Olbermann really thinks, it’s always a joke, combined with raunchy lines and clever lies.
Comedy or Smut Channel, it seems to me.
What a precious little rooster he is!
Well. . . we know it’s not his height that makes him small.
Hmmm.
Short Man Syndrome in a man who is 6′4″?
I always had a feeling that’s why this tall man seemed to like attacking our very special female.
Yep. His little rooster is in control.
Here’s an attack. I read quite a while ago that Oblermann has a birth defect, a deformed spine, apparently an extra vertebre.
Now, that’s just plain strange - he’s deformed - that explains plenty if you ask me.
I do wonder if that’s all that is deformed - not that there’s anything that isn’t kind of gross about that.
You know the spine has the nerve column connected to the brain - and that might be a real problem.
Maybe all that excessive underlying anger that comes out in various insults almost constantly…
He’s deformed.
It seems that commics cannot make a joke about anyone in the Obama administration unless they throw in a joke about a Clinton. Cowards.
I wonder how much of this factored into the decision to groom Obama for the White House. Any criticism of him could be twisted into racism.
This is the cornerstone of his campaign.
“I wonder how much of this factored into the decision to groom Obama for the White House. Any criticism of him could be twisted into racism.”
Unfortunately, this meme is still being used now that he is President.
All these mainstream media guys remind me of the Three Little Pigs morality fairy tale where the Big Bad Wolf (media) goes after the weak little pigs (anyone who disagrees with them) and blows their straw houses down but gets stopped cold by the pig in the brick house with a few tricks up his sleeve. It’s time for those of us who still believe in the American way to roll up our sleeves and throw up some brick walls in their path to help protect that last brick house.
Stop the media madness and bring back journalistic integrity.
Ani, this post says it all. THANK YOU!
And I like the “precious rooster” comment, too!
I cannot stand Perez Hilton, and cannot understand for the LIFE of me why he has become so prominent. He and Andrew Sullivan seem to be cut from the same cloth - mean spirited, condescending, arrogant, and easily insulted.
Prejean was not the brightest bulb in the pack to be sure, but as you CORRECTLY point out, her position is EXACTLY the same as Obama’s!! Liberal Dems REFUSE to accept that, and I still haven’t heard a PEEP out of them abt Obama picking anti-gay,anti-choice Kaine to be the CHAIR of the DNC. Sheesh.
But the sexism of these men on national television, of these men in the upper echelons of our gov’t, men being allowed to get away with their sexist comments and BEHAVIOR, is unacceptable. Thank you for stating it so well, Ani!
Cognitive dissonance? The ability to hold onto to two opposing views. Obama is a friend to the GLBT community yet backs Prop 8. Obama is a constitutional low professor yet is against equal treatment ie same sex marriage.
Cognitive dissonance? I think it is, rather, his ability to speak out of both sides of his maw using any one of several personalities he possesses. The combinations and permutations thereof are literally endless.
Perez Hilton stole you know whose name (changed his) to gain a leg up - it was a trick - “No not Paris Hilton, Perez Hilton ! ” “What ?” “Yeah.”
“I’ve got to see this..”
So they went to see - and well, the horror sustained the curiosity. He’s an artistic theif.
The other deal besides the politcal topic supporters is the circus ring factor - much like American Idol, or like Oblermann, really.
It’s the horror of the train wreck deal - the cult following of the B or C movie.
Perez is horrifying - I remember finding out as I explained above - at his website -, and the horror of that webpage and his distored visage, is still with me. I kept hearing about Paris Hilton, or so I thought… but it was the usurper…
He’s like what one would expect to find at Barnum and Bailey’s under the small sideshow tent, with the curtains around the cage, in the darkened area with the clackey thin wood folding chairs.
He acts like that too, it’s what he wants to do for the marketing impression.
Circus freak.
The new scary clown.
amy, please don’t leave out a total lack of any real talent for sullivan and hilton. sorry, but sullivan has no real talent in my view. the few decent articles he has written are far over shadowed by the incredibly stupid crap he shovels out.
On second read, the thought comes that maybe Olbermann was trying to outdo slurring spittle mouth David Shuster and his tea bag tax day pornographic jokes and extended commentaries ?
I’ve always had a suspicion Shuster is in the closet, maybe it’s bisexuality - it’s that sick slurring he has that is really irritating.
You’ll notice it now that I’ve mentioned it, sorry about that.
Speaking of pigs:
A very long time ago two men were talking.
“I believe that one day a black man will be president.”
“Ha ha…When pigs fly”
100 days into Obama’s presidency
SWINE FLU!
LOL..thats cute..
I don’t know what kind of people listen to that shit, but I raised my children differently! My children respect women and show respect to women.
Good Lord, my ten year old son started holding doors open for me and having me enter first when we go somewhere! Just out of the blue, I am very proud of him.
As the mother of seven, I believe it is our responsibility as mothers and women to teach our children that we need to treat all people with respect. They need to know that they should treat their partners as equals, they are both just as important to the family.
I am a single mother, so my children have seen the kinds of disrespect I have suffered, as a wife, and as a working woman. They understand the hardships of being raised by one parent, yet they also understand the joys.
There is never anything to be gained by putting another human being down. We should never finger point at those who are in any way unlike us whether it be a disfigurement or other handicap.
I explained to my children the pain of being chosen last all the time, or being made fun of, spit upon, rocks flying. It hurts, and stays with you. My children would never ever bully another or make fun of another person, why do grown men do it?
They obviously were not raised by strong women! I am sure their mothers are subservient types, as their wives are.
I pity them all, they make there living degrading women and pointing fingers at human frailties.
These men should never be on the air, and if a woman ran things they wouldn’t.
what a great Mom you’ve been to raise your children to value and respect others.
that saying “sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me”…well words can hurt and do.
On choosing teams, me and my Mom were just discussing this. The teacher should just divide the class in half and make one team A and one team B. End of story.
I would really be interested to know how these men were raised. Everything is not the parents fault but for the most part kids live what they learn regardless of personality.
I don’t know, does Jeannie Garafolo count ? I mean the idea that women aren’t like that is massively sexist right there.
No women could be comedians if they didn’t do so.
You might be very surprised to find women doing exactly that, once they are in power.
I do believe I can easily pull up a Nancy Pelosi quote if you’re in doubt, who used some very choice words about GWB on TV, during the interview.
Furthermore, it is clear mr spinal deformity ( I had to add that just so you could ignore everything I’ve typed and live in a happy dream) Olbermann is more than happy to attack not just women, but men as well !
Gee, imagine that ! ?
Yeah, he attacks pretty much everyone, man, women, I dare say child soon, too perhaps, or already I’m not sure. Perhaps he does have a single standard for self-preservation.
Now, I agree that anyone as far out as he is, with the endless ranting and ravings and crude sexualized garbage shouldn’t really be supported by the network after it all comes out, but then that says a lot since he is.
This is not about men or women, this is about the brave new sick world of the lowest formerly uncommon commentary, and it’s gaining immense ground, openly with Olbermann, less so on the main news channels but it’s even there in the wordings - trying to claw it’s way out.
“MTV depravity” mainstreamed - or whatever one would call it.
Olberman, Hilton and Musto along w many other Kool Aid drinking, sexist pigs, are simply PATHETIC AND PITIFUL. There will always be hate like this that good people will have to fight every single day. This is not normal behavior to be rude, insulting, and lacking of any moral fiber or compassion. Excusing it makes a person an accessory. The bible says “don’t cast your pearls before the swine”…in other words, trying to use logic and reason w people like this is ABSOLUTELY POINTLESS.
I commend this woman for choosing honesty over being politically correct.
“to thine own self be true”…William Shakespeare
I guess we shouldn’t be surprised about Keithie, he’s hopelessly a pig and Sexist. And he lives his life that way to the T.
And see, we just aren’t in the mindset of a degrading sexist pig such as Keithie, so we don’t realize he actually thinks those things might be envious or a compliment.
Don’t forget his girlfriend, before she was cheating on him in public that is.
http://www.theinsider.com/news/809540_Meet_Keith_Olbermann_s_Girlfriend_New_York_s_Reported_Newest_Anchor_Photo_s
Thanks for the post!
As far as Leno is concerned…he’s passé and has not had an original, funny, or relevant joke or monologue for years. He is hanging on my his fingertips in pushing a new show on audiences after he “retires” that will air BEFORE Conan.
Retire, already, Leno! Bring on Conan!!
Ani, did you happen to see a guest on O’Reilly Factor last Friday? She was a “feminist” named Gloria Mentz(???). When Laura Ingraham asked her what she thought about these Media hacks on the left who attacked Miss Cali’s physical appearance and breast implants, the first thing out of this “feminist” mouth was–I think what Miss California really needed was a heart transplant and not breast implants. Whaaaa??? I was floored! She then said that since feminism is about equality, and because Miss California was making her stance against equality, she was “fair game”. My only thought when she said that was, if that is the feminist position of when and how women can get beaten up, then women like Hillary Clinton is also “fair game” because she has put herself out there. This woman was ridiculously stupid.
Oh, I found the link
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=4782282&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/
All this hand-wringing by alleged feminists but That One gets a pass. Absolutely dumbfounding.
And it will continue. They will cover for him at all costs. Many in the GLBT community, I fear, will continue to do this, too. I am sure they are loathe to connect the dots that their new President just made Gov. Kaine Chairman of the DNC — anti-gay, anti-choice, anti-stem cell, pro-Iraq. How does this match up with the Dem paltform exactly?
I doesn’t but no one will admit to a serious lapse in judgment. A lot of people have been had by the man behind the green curtain who pulled That One’s strings and those of his predecessor. All this has been accomplished by using the old us versus them and crisis du jour mode of governing that is now the vogue. Keep the herd scared witless through diversion and the office of President is there for the taking and the treasury is open for looting. All one has to do is throw a few choice bones here or there to keep the masses content. I am truly becoming less and less hopeful since apparently no one is paying any attention to what is really going on, as they are all caught up in the trifling inconsequentials.
Bread and circuses…
exactly so.
No, barrybac, I didn’t see this. Thankfully! If I had, I would have to throw something at the TV.
What was most distressing during the campaign last year was that those on the left who called themselves “feminists” thought nothing of using the most sexist, misogynist methods of trashing other women, i.e, Hillary and Sarah Palin, for getting in the way of their chosen messiah.
They degraded themselves and the cause of women by using attack methods they have been taught by men. They were foolish to bond with their (regressive) male offenders because these tactics can and will be used against them later, should these ladies ever get out of line.
I saw it, Ingram wiped the floor with her.
i have seen some “feminists” on tv discussing this and they look silly and out of touch with the needs of the average woman. for one thing i consider myself something of a feminists, but these professionals(meaning making a living off the movement) leave me cold.
Barry, I saw that interview too. Where did they dig up that so-called “feminist”? I agree that her response was stupid but I’m seriously wondering if she was a “fake feminist”? Laura Ingram (sp.?) made mincemeat out of her. It all seemed just a little too easy, if you know what I mean.
Terrific article, Ani.
Sadly, what this points out is how amazingly stupid most Americans are. They don’t mind saying these things about someone else, but let it be their mother or sister and they’d take great offense.
NBC should be ashamed of allowing these (can’t think of a name low enough for them) subhumans on the air, but it only shows the lengths they will go to to get the bottom feeders to watch their shows.
NBC should no longer be the “peacock” network but the monkey network. See no truth, hear no truth, speak no truth. That fits in well with the Obumble administration and NBC’s effort to make a nesting place up his a–.
Everyone was so upset over Don Imus and his “nappy” remarks, but I guess it’s ok to say these things since the young girl is white.
Great article, Ani.
This site still maintains it’s objectivity, logic and credibility. Thanks for being one of the few!
It’s a little mystifying that the Obama thugs still want to go after Hillary Clinton. She is our Secretary of State. They must still be afraid of her.
All these comments from the ‘bots illustrate how sad the “youth” in this country are, since they obviously love this stuff. Not to mention Obama’s other constituencies, who would howl if any commentator made rude remarks about their group.
That is because HRC casts a deep and long shadow over that callow, shallow flimflam of a TelePrompTer reader.
Right on and he knows it !umm and so does our fashion icon Michele
Michael Musto knows all about all about beauty pagents and their contestants.
Just last month, Musto was emceeing The Hookies at Splash here in Chelsea. The Hookies are awards given out to the Premiere Male Homosexual Prostitutes of NYC. Trophies are given out for Best Bottom, Best Top, Biggest Dick, culminating in Best-All-Around Whore.
On one hand you have a contestant with implants. On the other hand, you have contestants who complain in interviews of the drudgery of always keeping ones anus clean and fresh. (One nevers knows when one of those sling gigs are going to come in.) And With which one does Musto have morality issues?
Please don’t think Michael Musto is reduced to only paying for sex. Oh No, he’s getting it for free at the local Boothstores. I have seen him countless times coming out of Porn stores, hopping on his Elvira Gulch bike, licking his lips. Musto was particularly fond of the Boothstore at the Corner of Christopher and Hudson, A Gay Treasure, just steps from PATH Station and all that Jersey trade. Now he’s into the Blue Store on 8th Ave.
Miss CA may have issues. But honestly, I can’t see her desperately crouching at a gloryhole waiting for Puerto Rican Trade.
It’s always interesting to see Musto and Princess Tiny Meat Olbermann togather. Usually, Size Queen Musto has very little time for the Unhung. If the Microphallic Obermann couldn’t give Musto airtime, Michael would have no use for him and his 2.5 inch erection.
Word up to Micheal Musto, Andrew Sullivan and everyone else. You know who you are….Things have changed.
What happens in Chelsea, no longer stays in Chelsea.
Wow Chelsea Patriot, remind me to stay on your good side.
Ani– thanks for posting this. I never watch KO because he triggers my gag reflex. It’s disgusting that a grown man could be paid to be so juvenile. And needlessly cruel. His deviant idea of humor is pathetic.
So what if Miss California has breast implants? Does anybody think she’s the only contestant who’s been helped by surgery? If the pageant has no rules against it, then it’s nobody’s business. If a woman has to be “natural” then they should exclude hair-coloring, fake nails, spray tans, waxing, make-up and even duct tape (an old pageant stand-by).
I don’t think NBC cares about complaints because Ive worn out my keyboard, responding to their crap. I finally got a response from the FCC about my letter on Garofalo. They’ll look into it and if it has anything offensive, they’ll contact NBC. Yeah, sure.
LOL! and AMEN! I hope Chelsea’s comment is printed out and pasted in mensrooms all over town! (Particularly at NBC and MSNBC)
omg…well that explains alot.
Honestly, I do have to say that I have never seen Michael Musto engaging in homosexual relatioms.
Such a grotesque image would probably turn me straight.
MSNBC just started a story: “She may have been his runner-up during the primaries..” I actually stopped dusting to see what new travesty they would slam @ Hillary. BUT!!!!! “But Hillary Clinton surpasses Obama in popularity now!. CNN poll: Highly favorable rating: 77 (Clinton) to 64 (Obama)!
WOW that MSNBC reported it so openly!
Will wonders never cease.
But they still haven’t reported the story correctly. He was the runner-up; but nevertheless, the DNC put his name on the general election ballot.
jbjd: try telling that to a ‘bot. It’s like when the Supremes chose Bush. Even today, Republicans think Bush won the election!
OMG–Did he really say that!?!? I knew Herr Olbermann was an offensive moron, but his circle jerk with Musto really made my jaw drop in disbelief. I’m stunned beyond my usual snark. This article was an eye-opener, Ani. That idiot and his frat-mates must go, and soon.
Thank you Ani for bringing that to our attention..I no longer allow MSNBC in my home..but reading that made me sick to my stomach.
That was no only insulting to Ms Calif..but to women all over this ocuntry who have had breasts removed for cancer and had augmentation to rebuild after having their breasts removed.
I rememeber as a young lady seeing my roomates mom after her having her breasts removed and her chest burned by radiation..and the horrible charred chest she was left with..is that what Mr olberman would like we women to go back to?? I just wonder..his sick pathetic goings on about Fake boobs and plastic..many women in this country and elsewhere depend on when they have had breast removal for cancer..so when he makes his sick jokes about those boobs and plastic he is making jokes at all of those who have had to depend on those fake boobs and plastic agumentation after a cruel and horrible surgery to remove their cancer ridden breasts.
That pathetic man knows no bounds..he disgusts me beyond words!!
I have had co-workers in their late 20’s that had breast cancer, that chose augmentation after breast removal..I just wonder if Mr Olberman thinks she or many young women like her, should have lived a life with no breasts..rather than choose plastic and fake boobs for her own happiness???????
What a disagrace the so called media in this country have become …they are a bunch of freaking clowns…they make me sick..so much so I no longer watch any of them, and have put all the cable news on child block so they get no ratings from my home!
May I encourage others to do so as well!
And may i ask each woman here to write MSNBC and tell them that many women that have undergone cancer surgery have had breast augentation and that keith Olberman insulted all women with is remarks!..and that he is a Pig beyond words!
Opps sorry for my typo’s ..I was really angry when I typed the above!!
QUEENIE,
Thanks so much for your post on this subject. I confess I did not think of this side of it when writing this up and was only looking at it from the point of view of stopping sexism. And you are absolutely correct that Olbermann didn’t see these other ramifications either.
Thank YOU for bringing this to our attention. It is a point that needs to be made.
PLEASE..don’t thank me.
Thank all the brave women who have fought the cancer fight..before us and now..before us, those who didn’t have the options that breast augmentation today gives women.
I thank those brave women each and every day that before us took risks and tried meds that were test programs , so women today have a better chance of survivial.
One I knew, who passed not long ago.
Please women stand up for those who have stood up for us!!
Call womens groups, call NBC and MSNBC and complain loudly..
As far as I am concerned Olberman can stuff any appology..it is too late for that, and he wouldn’t mean it anyway ..he is such a pig!
Agree completely. As far as I’m concerned, Olbermann can stuff his apology up Leno’s @ss who can stuff his apology up Musto’s @ss, who can stuff his apology up Limbaugh’s @ss, who can stuff his apology up Imus’ @ss in a giant freaking turducken buttfest.
and QUEENIE, I do thank you: your point was extraordinarily well made.
NNN, that is one of the funniest comments I’ve ever seen on NQ: “turducken buttfest”–LMFAO!
Queenie, your comment is profound. Conflating the two vulgar meanings of “boob” as Olbermann did (1–boob=boobie, a stupid person; and, 2–boob=slang term for a woman’s breast) is so cluelessly reprehensible, sexist and offensive that it is stunning. Your point makes his “joke” even more unforgivable.
Amen…well said.
This is disgusting for a pregnant woman:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/04/laos.british.woman.drugs.trial/index.html
Please women everywhere, call NBC and register a complaint against Olberman and his crass disgusting interview and remarks..
Do it for all women who have Undergone Breast Surgery and Breast cancer..this is inexcusable..seems Mr. olberman ( no cap for his name)..needs a lesson in woman’s anatomy!!!!!!!!
And maybe he needs a lesson in men’s anatomy as well.as men have implants as well!
Queenie, I hadn’t even considered the issue of KO’s references to a woman who would have implants as having ‘false’ breasts in light of the thousands of women who undergo reconstructive surgery after treatment for breast cancer.
Have you alerted the Susan G. Komen Center, or other such organizations?
JBJD..no i haven’t contacted anyone but NBC..as i am laid up right now ..and i just read this this afternoon..I haven’t been online much (I have foot injury right now and not mobile) , but anyone who can please do!!..This is just beyond me that anyone on our airways could be so ignorant and so cruel..
There are many women in this country going to bed to night with implants , with a husband or boyfriend , or alone..and who might have children and they are damn glad their partner or mother is alive , and living with implants!
And furthermore..many other Americans have plastic hips or other body parts..I guess Mr Olberpig would deem them as fake or as plastic too.. eh???????
Oh and many of them would be men as well!!
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Musto and Olberman are both pathetic or whatever you want to call them. They are both so pitiful that they give a bad name to the human race. Olberman (from what I have read) has a problem with women and for my money anyone who would spend any intimate time with Musto is really desperate.
Olberman and Leno feed into this (an excellent article):
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/05/04
Obama’s a closet bisexual, so of course he has to come out publicly against gay marriage. Larry Sinclair is telling the truth: Obama was on the downlow back when he hooked up with him, but because of the Sinclair incident he likely was “scared straight,” and at least for now would dare not go outside of his small circle of trusted fudge packers.
Sinclair’s book will be released soon, and it should be required reading for everyone. It is one small look ito the fraud that is Homobama.
LOLOL
Is this the liberal equivalant of the beginning of the Rebuplican “dustbowl” years….with young people wandering the landscape like “young college Democrats”, worshipping the TV personalities of political assasins?
“And using the C word is something I wouldn’t do”
Sad… he just did. BO syndrome is worse than the swine flu and twice as lethal.
has anyone also noticed in the media, even the internet, that stories you read a week ago are still being peddled? i have to think lazy and pathetic when i see that.
“But they [Gay Marriage Activists] don’t have enough political sense to stop arguing it.”
So sad but so true. The gay marriage lobby has turned itself into a joke. Did they ever hear of ’strategery?’ Viciously attacking this woman for voicing the exact same position as Obama — in the Bible Belt, that translates into ‘ they don’t really care about gay marriage, they just like to insult white Christians–they hate us because of our faith.’ Pat Buchanan will spell it out, like he did when gays protested the Mormon Church but said nothing about the black churches.
Funny thing is Perez Hilton didn’t just ask about California, he asked ’should we have gay marriage in every state?’ How about first getting anti-discrimination laws in every state? How about first making it safe to come out of the closet in the Bible Belt? Or is it the priority to win gay marriage in Texas but you can still lose your job because you’re gay?
Hilton is only interested in screaming ‘gay marriage’ for self-promotion and blog traffic. That’s all ‘gay marriage’ is about at this point.
What the hoo-hah does a beauty pageant have to do with BO??? Miss California is a bigot, plain and simple. Olberman let her off easy. You know, this site has many gay supporters, and I bet some of them are insulted by this article and some of the comments.
If Miss California is a “bigot: then so is Obama, Miss fortune.
This site completely supports gay rights, as do I. There is nothing insulting to the GLBT community here. The only insult is Olbermann and Musto, who engage in both women bashing and gay stereotypes in their diatribes. They are the ones who should be ashamed. Period.
Furthermore if Miss California is a “bigot,” as you say, and she holds the exact same position on gay marriage as the President, then it follows that you must call him one as well.
Sexist attacks are pervasive on BOTH sides of the commentator aisle. Because they sell.
Ingraham is as guilty as Olbermann:
http://syd4.blogspot.com/2009/05/attacks-on-ms-prejean-attacks-on-ms.html
Thank you for an excellent article Ani.
After reading the comments, I was amazed that so many were fixated on arguing the merits of her morality, honesty, intelligence, sincerity. And how few were actually holding Olbermann accountable for his own words and behavior. As if his behavior is acceptable and even justified if she is not of high standards.
It reminded me very much of attitudes about rape and domestic abuse which still seem to linger. If somehow the victim was less then perfect in thought or deed, then she was some how deserving of what happened to her. That she has no claim to respect, protection, decency. Amazing.
How is his verbal attacks not abuse. And as a paid commentor enabled by MSNBC - how are they not complicit in his verbal sexual battery.
This whole notion of deeming people “fair game” and then defining it to mean no standards of decent behavior really speaks to how low we have sunk as a society - with increasingly deadly results.
Women, children and animals should be aware that it’s open season. The difference between right and wrong lies not with the behavior of attacker/perpetrator, but the behavior of the victim. So how can we all at some point, not “deserve” what ever we get.
You statement above is spot on, Choo Choo Mahoo.
So glad I stopped back in to check it out. I may not agree with Miss Prejean’s position either, but clearly, Olbermann is the one at fault here.
[...] NQ writer, Ani, had a very good post entitled, “Like Putting Lipstick On A Pig: Olbermann, Musto, and Yes, Jay Leno.” One of the issues that came up in the post and comments was about same sex marriage and [...]