Comments on: Like Putting Lipstick On a Pig: Olbermann, Musto, and Yes, Jay Leno http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:38:10 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: “Separate But Equal”? : NO QUARTER http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1201353 “Separate But Equal”? : NO QUARTER Wed, 06 May 2009 17:51:11 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1201353 [...] NQ writer, Ani, had a very good post entitled, “Like Putting Lipstick On A Pig: Olbermann, Musto, and Yes, Jay Leno.” One of the issues that came up in the post and comments was about same sex marriage and [...] [...] NQ writer, Ani, had a very good post entitled, “Like Putting Lipstick On A Pig: Olbermann, Musto, and Yes, Jay Leno.” One of the issues that came up in the post and comments was about same sex marriage and [...]

]]> By: Ani http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1201140 Ani Wed, 06 May 2009 02:18:07 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1201140 <blockquote>It reminded me very much of attitudes about rape and domestic abuse which still seem to linger. If somehow the victim was less then perfect in thought or deed, then she was some how deserving of what happened to her. That she has no claim to respect, protection, decency.</blockquote> You statement above is spot on, Choo Choo Mahoo. So glad I stopped back in to check it out. I may not agree with Miss Prejean's position either, but clearly, Olbermann is the one at fault here.

It reminded me very much of attitudes about rape and domestic abuse which still seem to linger. If somehow the victim was less then perfect in thought or deed, then she was some how deserving of what happened to her. That she has no claim to respect, protection, decency.

You statement above is spot on, Choo Choo Mahoo.

So glad I stopped back in to check it out. I may not agree with Miss Prejean’s position either, but clearly, Olbermann is the one at fault here.

]]> By: NoBamaNoWay http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1201049 NoBamaNoWay Tue, 05 May 2009 21:50:24 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1201049 hey, i appreciate somebody speaking their mind; nevertheless, she was wrong, and other people are allowed to speak their minds about *that*. hey, i appreciate somebody speaking their mind; nevertheless, she was wrong, and other people are allowed to speak their minds about *that*.

]]> By: Choo Choo Magoo http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1201009 Choo Choo Magoo Tue, 05 May 2009 18:54:57 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1201009 Thank you for an excellent article Ani. After reading the comments, I was amazed that so many were fixated on arguing the merits of her morality, honesty, intelligence, sincerity. And how few were actually holding Olbermann accountable for his own words and behavior. As if his behavior is acceptable and even justified if she is not of high standards. It reminded me very much of attitudes about rape and domestic abuse which still seem to linger. If somehow the victim was less then perfect in thought or deed, then she was some how deserving of what happened to her. That she has no claim to respect, protection, decency. Amazing. How is his verbal attacks not abuse. And as a paid commentor enabled by MSNBC - how are they not complicit in his verbal sexual battery. This whole notion of deeming people "fair game" and then defining it to mean no standards of decent behavior really speaks to how low we have sunk as a society - with increasingly deadly results. Women, children and animals should be aware that it's open season. The difference between right and wrong lies not with the behavior of attacker/perpetrator, but the behavior of the victim. So how can we all at some point, not "deserve" what ever we get. Thank you for an excellent article Ani.

After reading the comments, I was amazed that so many were fixated on arguing the merits of her morality, honesty, intelligence, sincerity. And how few were actually holding Olbermann accountable for his own words and behavior. As if his behavior is acceptable and even justified if she is not of high standards.

It reminded me very much of attitudes about rape and domestic abuse which still seem to linger. If somehow the victim was less then perfect in thought or deed, then she was some how deserving of what happened to her. That she has no claim to respect, protection, decency. Amazing.

How is his verbal attacks not abuse. And as a paid commentor enabled by MSNBC – how are they not complicit in his verbal sexual battery.

This whole notion of deeming people “fair game” and then defining it to mean no standards of decent behavior really speaks to how low we have sunk as a society – with increasingly deadly results.

Women, children and animals should be aware that it’s open season. The difference between right and wrong lies not with the behavior of attacker/perpetrator, but the behavior of the victim. So how can we all at some point, not “deserve” what ever we get.

]]> By: Ani http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200972 Ani Tue, 05 May 2009 17:03:02 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200972 Furthermore if Miss California is a "bigot," as you say, and she holds the exact same position on gay marriage as the President, then it follows that you must call him one as well. Furthermore if Miss California is a “bigot,” as you say, and she holds the exact same position on gay marriage as the President, then it follows that you must call him one as well.

]]> By: Ani http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200971 Ani Tue, 05 May 2009 17:01:22 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200971 This site completely supports gay rights, as do I. There is nothing insulting to the GLBT community here. The only insult is Olbermann and Musto, who engage in both women bashing and gay stereotypes in their diatribes. They are the ones who should be ashamed. Period. This site completely supports gay rights, as do I. There is nothing insulting to the GLBT community here. The only insult is Olbermann and Musto, who engage in both women bashing and gay stereotypes in their diatribes. They are the ones who should be ashamed. Period.

]]> By: Hot Librarian http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200893 Hot Librarian Tue, 05 May 2009 10:26:24 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200893 If Miss California is a "bigot: then so is Obama, Miss fortune. If Miss California is a “bigot: then so is Obama, Miss fortune.

]]> By: Stray Yellar Dawg http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200892 Stray Yellar Dawg Tue, 05 May 2009 10:25:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200892 Sexist attacks are pervasive on BOTH sides of the commentator aisle. Because they sell. Ingraham is as guilty as Olbermann: http://syd4.blogspot.com/2009/05/attacks-on-ms-prejean-attacks-on-ms.html Sexist attacks are pervasive on BOTH sides of the commentator aisle. Because they sell.

Ingraham is as guilty as Olbermann:

http://syd4.blogspot.com/2009/05/attacks-on-ms-prejean-attacks-on-ms.html

]]> By: Miss Fortune http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200888 Miss Fortune Tue, 05 May 2009 09:36:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200888 What the hoo-hah does a beauty pageant have to do with BO??? Miss California is a bigot, plain and simple. Olberman let her off easy. You know, this site has many gay supporters, and I bet some of them are insulted by this article and some of the comments. What the hoo-hah does a beauty pageant have to do with BO??? Miss California is a bigot, plain and simple. Olberman let her off easy. You know, this site has many gay supporters, and I bet some of them are insulted by this article and some of the comments.

]]> By: jimbob http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200854 jimbob Tue, 05 May 2009 05:04:45 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200854 Olbermann got his job at MSNBC because his Uncle Morrie had clout in the boardroom. hahaha :-D Does anyone else find it offensive that Olbermann denies his Jewish heritage? Yeah yeah, I know, he was raised as a Unitarian. So what? A lot of liberal Jews joined that church. He's still ethnically Jewish, but he denies it. Why? Probably for the same reason that Olbermann claims to be a graduate of an Ivy League school. He has to lie. It's what liars do. :-D Olbermann got his job at MSNBC because his Uncle Morrie had clout in the boardroom. hahaha :-D Does anyone else find it offensive that Olbermann denies his Jewish heritage? Yeah yeah, I know, he was raised as a Unitarian. So what? A lot of liberal Jews joined that church. He’s still ethnically Jewish, but he denies it. Why? Probably for the same reason that Olbermann claims to be a graduate of an Ivy League school. He has to lie. It’s what liars do. :-D

]]> By: jimbob http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200850 jimbob Tue, 05 May 2009 04:56:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200850 Will she have a glass of wine after the contest? Certainly Catholics have no problem with drinking as do many Protestants. So what's the problem with her walking around in a bikini? Maybe that's not a sin in her church. I'm a former protestant, I'm not religious, but I don't remember any such stricture about bikinis. Not in my denomination, which is one of the largest in the US. If she's half naked she's half clothed too. DB Will she have a glass of wine after the contest? Certainly Catholics have no problem with drinking as do many Protestants. So what’s the problem with her walking around in a bikini? Maybe that’s not a sin in her church. I’m a former protestant, I’m not religious, but I don’t remember any such stricture about bikinis. Not in my denomination, which is one of the largest in the US. If she’s half naked she’s half clothed too.

DB

]]> By: jimbob http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200849 jimbob Tue, 05 May 2009 04:55:31 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200849 Will she have a glass of wine after the contest? Certainly Catholics have no problem with drinking as do many Protestants. So what's the problem with her walking around in a bikini? Maybe that's not a sin in her church. I'm a former protestant, I'm not religious, but I don't remember any such stricture about bikinis. Not in my denomination, which is one of the largest in the US. DB Will she have a glass of wine after the contest? Certainly Catholics have no problem with drinking as do many Protestants. So what’s the problem with her walking around in a bikini? Maybe that’s not a sin in her church. I’m a former protestant, I’m not religious, but I don’t remember any such stricture about bikinis. Not in my denomination, which is one of the largest in the US.

DB

]]> By: Chelsea Patriot http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200848 Chelsea Patriot Tue, 05 May 2009 04:52:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200848 Wouldn't it be easier to argue for Civil Unions, entailing the same rights and responsibilities that are found in Marriage then to try to change the definition of marriage? And Frankly, Linda C. I don't get the sneering dismissive attitude of your final paragraph. Why do you want to be part of the "heterosexual marriage lifestyle" that that you are so "tired of supporting"? What does that mean? You are so filled with anger and resentment that want to take people's rights away? You do not do your cause any good. Wouldn’t it be easier to argue for Civil Unions, entailing the same rights and responsibilities that are found in Marriage then to try to change the definition of marriage?
And Frankly, Linda C. I don’t get the sneering dismissive attitude of your final paragraph.
Why do you want to be part of the “heterosexual marriage lifestyle” that that you are so “tired of supporting”? What does that mean?
You are so filled with anger and resentment that want to take people’s rights away?
You do not do your cause any good.

]]> By: Chelsea Patriot http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200843 Chelsea Patriot Tue, 05 May 2009 04:27:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200843 Honestly, I do have to say that I have never seen Michael Musto engaging in homosexual relatioms. Such a grotesque image would probably turn me straight. Honestly, I do have to say that I have never seen Michael Musto engaging in homosexual relatioms.
Such a grotesque image would probably turn me straight.

]]> By: whoframedrudy http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/04/lipstick-for-pigs-olbermann-musto-and-yes-jay-leno/#comment-1200823 whoframedrudy Tue, 05 May 2009 03:14:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=23463#comment-1200823 "But they [Gay Marriage Activists] don’t have enough political sense to stop arguing it." So sad but so true. The gay marriage lobby has turned itself into a joke. Did they ever hear of 'strategery?' Viciously attacking this woman for voicing the exact same position as Obama -- in the Bible Belt, that translates into ' they don't really care about gay marriage, they just like to insult white Christians--they hate us because of our faith.' Pat Buchanan will spell it out, like he did when gays protested the Mormon Church but said nothing about the black churches. Funny thing is Perez Hilton didn't just ask about California, he asked 'should we have gay marriage in <em>every</em> state?' How about first getting anti-discrimination laws in every state? How about first making it safe to come out of the closet in the Bible Belt? Or is it the priority to win gay marriage in Texas but you can still lose your job because you're gay? Hilton is only interested in screaming 'gay marriage' for self-promotion and blog traffic. That's all 'gay marriage' is about at this point. “But they [Gay Marriage Activists] don’t have enough political sense to stop arguing it.”

So sad but so true. The gay marriage lobby has turned itself into a joke. Did they ever hear of ’strategery?’ Viciously attacking this woman for voicing the exact same position as Obama — in the Bible Belt, that translates into ‘ they don’t really care about gay marriage, they just like to insult white Christians–they hate us because of our faith.’ Pat Buchanan will spell it out, like he did when gays protested the Mormon Church but said nothing about the black churches.

Funny thing is Perez Hilton didn’t just ask about California, he asked ’should we have gay marriage in every state?’ How about first getting anti-discrimination laws in every state? How about first making it safe to come out of the closet in the Bible Belt? Or is it the priority to win gay marriage in Texas but you can still lose your job because you’re gay?

Hilton is only interested in screaming ‘gay marriage’ for self-promotion and blog traffic. That’s all ‘gay marriage’ is about at this point.

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