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	<title>Comments on: Rihanna and Thousands More: Ending Youth Dating Violence</title>
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		<title>By: Caro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any woman can become the victim of an abusive relationship. This is still a culture that blames the victim and shoots the messenger. The answer is educating women and men not to accept this type of behavior in a relationship and supporting women who want to leave an abusive relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any woman can become the victim of an abusive relationship. This is still a culture that blames the victim and shoots the messenger. The answer is educating women and men not to accept this type of behavior in a relationship and supporting women who want to leave an abusive relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/05/rihanna-and-thousands-more-ending-youth-dating-violence/#comment-1201483</link>
		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 21:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nom, you know you&#039;re talking to a guy who deep down has contempt for women when he claims that women have to &quot;choose&quot; between being treated equally and being treated decently/respectfully; if we want equal rights than we have to accept being treated like dirt.  hmmm.  as a woman, i have no problem treating men both decently and as my equal; it&#039;s not that hard.  

what silicondoc seems to be saying (and this is common thinking among the uber-religious) is that if men lose their superior status in society (and become the mere equals of women - gasp), &quot;confusion&quot; will result, and men will inevitable become very destructive and treat women very badly.  sounds like the threats of some spoiled brats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nom, you know you&#8217;re talking to a guy who deep down has contempt for women when he claims that women have to &#8220;choose&#8221; between being treated equally and being treated decently/respectfully; if we want equal rights than we have to accept being treated like dirt.  hmmm.  as a woman, i have no problem treating men both decently and as my equal; it&#8217;s not that hard.  </p>
<p>what silicondoc seems to be saying (and this is common thinking among the uber-religious) is that if men lose their superior status in society (and become the mere equals of women &#8211; gasp), &#8220;confusion&#8221; will result, and men will inevitable become very destructive and treat women very badly.  sounds like the threats of some spoiled brats.</p>
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		<title>By: NoBamaNoWay</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/05/rihanna-and-thousands-more-ending-youth-dating-violence/#comment-1201472</link>
		<dc:creator>NoBamaNoWay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 20:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you said it, tek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you said it, tek.</p>
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		<title>By: krewaters</title>
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		<dc:creator>krewaters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elise,

I always enjoy reading your posts. They are articulate, insightful and on point. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elise,</p>
<p>I always enjoy reading your posts. They are articulate, insightful and on point. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/05/rihanna-and-thousands-more-ending-youth-dating-violence/#comment-1201330</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, should have said, &quot;our military&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, should have said, &#8220;our military&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/05/rihanna-and-thousands-more-ending-youth-dating-violence/#comment-1201327</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and don&#039;t forget the women in our army:
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=46674

(an &lt;strong&gt;estimated 80%&lt;/strong&gt; of sexual assaults/rapes go &lt;strong&gt;unreported&lt;/strong&gt;).

&quot;According to the DoD Report on Sexual Assault in the Military for Fiscal Year 2007, &quot;There were &lt;strong&gt;2,688 total reports&lt;/strong&gt; of sexual assault involving Military Service Members,&quot; of which &quot;The Military Services completed a total of &lt;strong&gt;1,955 criminal investigations&lt;/strong&gt; on reports made during or prior to FY07.&quot;

The criminal investigations yielded the shockingly low number of &lt;strong&gt;only 181 courts martial&lt;/strong&gt;. 
...

A 1995 study published in the Archives of Family Medicine found that 90 percent of female veterans from the 1991 U.S. attack on Iraq and earlier wars had been sexually harassed. A 2003 survey of women veterans from the period encompassing Vietnam and the 1991 Iraq attack, published in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine, found that 30 percent of the women soldiers said they were raped.

In 2004, a study of veterans from Vietnam and all wars since, published in the journal of Military Medicine, found that 71 percent of the women were sexually assaulted or raped while serving.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and don&#8217;t forget the women in our army:<br />
<a href="http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=46674" rel="nofollow">http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=46674</a></p>
<p>(an <strong>estimated 80%</strong> of sexual assaults/rapes go <strong>unreported</strong>).</p>
<p>&#8220;According to the DoD Report on Sexual Assault in the Military for Fiscal Year 2007, &#8220;There were <strong>2,688 total reports</strong> of sexual assault involving Military Service Members,&#8221; of which &#8220;The Military Services completed a total of <strong>1,955 criminal investigations</strong> on reports made during or prior to FY07.&#8221;</p>
<p>The criminal investigations yielded the shockingly low number of <strong>only 181 courts martial</strong>.<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>A 1995 study published in the Archives of Family Medicine found that 90 percent of female veterans from the 1991 U.S. attack on Iraq and earlier wars had been sexually harassed. A 2003 survey of women veterans from the period encompassing Vietnam and the 1991 Iraq attack, published in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine, found that 30 percent of the women soldiers said they were raped.</p>
<p>In 2004, a study of veterans from Vietnam and all wars since, published in the journal of Military Medicine, found that 71 percent of the women were sexually assaulted or raped while serving.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/05/rihanna-and-thousands-more-ending-youth-dating-violence/#comment-1201323</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so I guess before women started attempting to gain equality they were treated ever so much better, huh?  No violence against women, no rape, respect for our opinions, kumbaya for all.
&lt;strong&gt;you are dumber than dirt.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;em&gt;When a “movement” uses such concepts as a base for promulgating their redress of grievance, unintended consequences may arise  &lt;/em&gt;
yeah, like getting the vote, asshat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so I guess before women started attempting to gain equality they were treated ever so much better, huh?  No violence against women, no rape, respect for our opinions, kumbaya for all.<br />
<strong>you are dumber than dirt.</strong></p>
<p><em>When a “movement” uses such concepts as a base for promulgating their redress of grievance, unintended consequences may arise  </em><br />
yeah, like getting the vote, asshat.</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/05/rihanna-and-thousands-more-ending-youth-dating-violence/#comment-1201321</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah since separate but equal has worked out so f#cking well in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah since separate but equal has worked out so f#cking well in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: tek</title>
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		<dc:creator>tek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silicon Doc:  I also don&#039;t see how you can recommend spanking (hitting which often crosses over into beating) as a remedy.  You hit your child from toddlerhood and say, &quot;Now, don&#039;t let anyone else hit you.&quot;  Spanking is the laziest form of discipline, for parents who only react when they get irritated instead of practicing consistent, positive discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silicon Doc:  I also don&#8217;t see how you can recommend spanking (hitting which often crosses over into beating) as a remedy.  You hit your child from toddlerhood and say, &#8220;Now, don&#8217;t let anyone else hit you.&#8221;  Spanking is the laziest form of discipline, for parents who only react when they get irritated instead of practicing consistent, positive discipline.</p>
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		<title>By: tek</title>
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		<dc:creator>tek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Smith:  Amen.  There is a vibrant movement toward that end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Smith:  Amen.  There is a vibrant movement toward that end.</p>
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		<title>By: tek</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/05/rihanna-and-thousands-more-ending-youth-dating-violence/#comment-1201297</link>
		<dc:creator>tek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silicon Doc:  I really wish people would not introduce religion into this issue and try to make the case that people who are religious are immune.  If you could get hold of accurate statistics, you would see it is simply not true.  We read stories of abusive patriarchs in religious settings frequently.

Recently we were in Texas at a legal gathering.  We visited the offices of the local lawyers in attendance.  I almost cried when I saw that one lawyer had posted pictures of the women and children involved in the polygamy case in TX.  I knew that lawyer had tried to protect these victims and the court returned them to their abusers.  Isn&#039;t TX supposed to be one of the most Christian states in the union?

Actually, fundamentalists of every revealed religion are more prone to abuse toward their women and children because the Bible names men the head of the household and tells those men not to &quot;spare the rod.&quot;

I also believe religious men are more likely to act on emotion rather than logic and reason which might stay their hands.  Religion is mainly emotion, since the revealed religions rely on supernatural phenomenon and not anything that can be logically proved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silicon Doc:  I really wish people would not introduce religion into this issue and try to make the case that people who are religious are immune.  If you could get hold of accurate statistics, you would see it is simply not true.  We read stories of abusive patriarchs in religious settings frequently.</p>
<p>Recently we were in Texas at a legal gathering.  We visited the offices of the local lawyers in attendance.  I almost cried when I saw that one lawyer had posted pictures of the women and children involved in the polygamy case in TX.  I knew that lawyer had tried to protect these victims and the court returned them to their abusers.  Isn&#8217;t TX supposed to be one of the most Christian states in the union?</p>
<p>Actually, fundamentalists of every revealed religion are more prone to abuse toward their women and children because the Bible names men the head of the household and tells those men not to &#8220;spare the rod.&#8221;</p>
<p>I also believe religious men are more likely to act on emotion rather than logic and reason which might stay their hands.  Religion is mainly emotion, since the revealed religions rely on supernatural phenomenon and not anything that can be logically proved.</p>
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		<title>By: tek</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/05/rihanna-and-thousands-more-ending-youth-dating-violence/#comment-1201286</link>
		<dc:creator>tek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 15:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Cat:  you would be exactly wrong.  I know many young women (my own daughter included) who have been in physically abusive relationships even though they came from homes where they were valued as human beings and taught never to accept such treatment, and never witnessed such behavior.  

This phenomenon is more likely tied to the pop culture of the younger generations.  The younger generations of men are waaay more sexist and disrespectful of women that my (baby boomer) generation and the generations before us.  It began with the Sexual Revolution of the sixties.  Men started expecting sex on demand once Victorianism died and birth control appeared.  Even in the sixties, if a guy took a date to dinner, he assumed he was entitled to sex.  The violence followed.

Music, movies, books. Sending students from a violent ghetto culture into middle class public schools where those students had little defense against a violence they had no experience with.  Instead of elevating white middle class people, bussing dragged all the younger generations down into a ghetto, gang mentality.   I saw it first hand at my children&#039;s schools.  It all supplies the wrong message to young women.  That&#039;s why the younger women all fell at Obama&#039;s feet:  he&#039;s black and completely misogynistic. 

Unfortunately for so many women, excepting Rhianna of course, they discover they are in an abusive relationship after they have become financially dependent on the abuser.  I had a friend who volunteered at a Women&#039;s Shelter--a professional woman.  She told me over coffee one day that she had little faith in programs offered to abused women at the shelter because she knew the underlying problem was money.  If she had $100,000 dollars to hand any of these women, they would flee and their problems would be over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Cat:  you would be exactly wrong.  I know many young women (my own daughter included) who have been in physically abusive relationships even though they came from homes where they were valued as human beings and taught never to accept such treatment, and never witnessed such behavior.  </p>
<p>This phenomenon is more likely tied to the pop culture of the younger generations.  The younger generations of men are waaay more sexist and disrespectful of women that my (baby boomer) generation and the generations before us.  It began with the Sexual Revolution of the sixties.  Men started expecting sex on demand once Victorianism died and birth control appeared.  Even in the sixties, if a guy took a date to dinner, he assumed he was entitled to sex.  The violence followed.</p>
<p>Music, movies, books. Sending students from a violent ghetto culture into middle class public schools where those students had little defense against a violence they had no experience with.  Instead of elevating white middle class people, bussing dragged all the younger generations down into a ghetto, gang mentality.   I saw it first hand at my children&#8217;s schools.  It all supplies the wrong message to young women.  That&#8217;s why the younger women all fell at Obama&#8217;s feet:  he&#8217;s black and completely misogynistic. </p>
<p>Unfortunately for so many women, excepting Rhianna of course, they discover they are in an abusive relationship after they have become financially dependent on the abuser.  I had a friend who volunteered at a Women&#8217;s Shelter&#8211;a professional woman.  She told me over coffee one day that she had little faith in programs offered to abused women at the shelter because she knew the underlying problem was money.  If she had $100,000 dollars to hand any of these women, they would flee and their problems would be over.</p>
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		<title>By: SiliconDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>SiliconDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 11:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to be such a boor or a percieved troublemaker, but the idea of censoring that garbage - even discouraging it, or not buying advertising that promotes it - is considered way too right wing, a denial of human rights, Leiberman in character - or even outrageously racist, you fill in a half dozen other &quot;movement&quot; complaints that come from you know which party.
 Yes, decisions have consequences - it&#039;s so very unpopular to point out.
 I&#039;ll add since I haven&#039;t seen it yet, the &quot;male hatred&quot; also used as an iconic mindset to further &quot;sexual rights&quot; and &quot;equal rights&quot; or &quot;women&#039;s rights&quot; just might have a certain factor of the higher result in here.
 I believe the seemingly less popular phrase was &quot;war of the sexes&quot;.
 So in that, strange as it may seem, young males are taught that they may be viewed as a hated class - so here - &quot;equality&quot; is reached again, the horror that women experienced in their claim that as a group they were maltreated or &quot;hated&quot; by the opposite sex.
 When a &quot;movement&quot; uses such concepts as a base for promulgating their redress of grievance, unintended consequences may arise ( I&#039;m more than certain enemy forces of the USA like(d) this very much. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to be such a boor or a percieved troublemaker, but the idea of censoring that garbage &#8211; even discouraging it, or not buying advertising that promotes it &#8211; is considered way too right wing, a denial of human rights, Leiberman in character &#8211; or even outrageously racist, you fill in a half dozen other &#8220;movement&#8221; complaints that come from you know which party.<br />
 Yes, decisions have consequences &#8211; it&#8217;s so very unpopular to point out.<br />
 I&#8217;ll add since I haven&#8217;t seen it yet, the &#8220;male hatred&#8221; also used as an iconic mindset to further &#8220;sexual rights&#8221; and &#8220;equal rights&#8221; or &#8220;women&#8217;s rights&#8221; just might have a certain factor of the higher result in here.<br />
 I believe the seemingly less popular phrase was &#8220;war of the sexes&#8221;.<br />
 So in that, strange as it may seem, young males are taught that they may be viewed as a hated class &#8211; so here &#8211; &#8220;equality&#8221; is reached again, the horror that women experienced in their claim that as a group they were maltreated or &#8220;hated&#8221; by the opposite sex.<br />
 When a &#8220;movement&#8221; uses such concepts as a base for promulgating their redress of grievance, unintended consequences may arise ( I&#8217;m more than certain enemy forces of the USA like(d) this very much. )</p>
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		<title>By: SiliconDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>SiliconDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 11:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The kids have already grown up and raised the coming generation, so you&#039;re a whole generation behind with that. That&#039;s what we&#039;re seeing, the last 15-20 years, with the parent or perhaps less often parents already cultured in accpetance of &quot;changed values&quot; now incapable of stopping the violence or imparting the morality to their children and society being as a whole becoming equally incapable.
 One might take a trip down communist infiltration lane and their plans at this point - some famously read into the congressional record in 1963 for instance, and their former operatives claims the results they pushed for (yes, using media and spokespeople and the schools and position of authority as tools) have been spectacular and beyond their wildest dreams. 
 It&#039;s on &quot;autopilot&quot; and is feeding upon itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kids have already grown up and raised the coming generation, so you&#8217;re a whole generation behind with that. That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re seeing, the last 15-20 years, with the parent or perhaps less often parents already cultured in accpetance of &#8220;changed values&#8221; now incapable of stopping the violence or imparting the morality to their children and society being as a whole becoming equally incapable.<br />
 One might take a trip down communist infiltration lane and their plans at this point &#8211; some famously read into the congressional record in 1963 for instance, and their former operatives claims the results they pushed for (yes, using media and spokespeople and the schools and position of authority as tools) have been spectacular and beyond their wildest dreams.<br />
 It&#8217;s on &#8220;autopilot&#8221; and is feeding upon itself.</p>
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		<title>By: SiliconDoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>SiliconDoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 11:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should perhaps mention a religious factor as well. Our most popular tradition there carried the expectation that girls or young women would not be struck - as religion is ridiculed and belitted in pop culture, it&#039;s tenets are lost in the youth - add in the spin of Islamic law in nations, and ridicule or ignoring tradional religious ideas here is made easier.
 I dare say as far as youthful dating - traditionally more often hidden as a general rule, and therefore quite discouraging of physical fighting that could show evidence of contact atfeer the fact, is also lowered. Condom distribution or even emphasis in schooling in a mixed gender enviroment and societally considered of utmost importance, instead of encouraging hidden relationships and therefore less fighting - has the opposite effect - making the realtionships more publicly acceptable especially at the interyouth level. The video notes &quot;text stalking&quot; from &quot;boyfriends&quot; (likely means ex or unwanted &quot;boyfriends&quot; / suitors).
 So there are more relationships, more open, in the group and obvious to the adults - with the resultant deeper seriousness and &quot;frustration and intensity&quot; that goes along with it, with the sexualized culture &quot;condom additions&quot; as merely a single example. Hence, more abuse. 
 I seriously doubt anyone is wiling in the majority to go back to stifling, suffocating, non litigious, adults in charge, spankings accepted, &quot;religious&quot; like norms.
 Well, there are consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should perhaps mention a religious factor as well. Our most popular tradition there carried the expectation that girls or young women would not be struck &#8211; as religion is ridiculed and belitted in pop culture, it&#8217;s tenets are lost in the youth &#8211; add in the spin of Islamic law in nations, and ridicule or ignoring tradional religious ideas here is made easier.<br />
 I dare say as far as youthful dating &#8211; traditionally more often hidden as a general rule, and therefore quite discouraging of physical fighting that could show evidence of contact atfeer the fact, is also lowered. Condom distribution or even emphasis in schooling in a mixed gender enviroment and societally considered of utmost importance, instead of encouraging hidden relationships and therefore less fighting &#8211; has the opposite effect &#8211; making the realtionships more publicly acceptable especially at the interyouth level. The video notes &#8220;text stalking&#8221; from &#8220;boyfriends&#8221; (likely means ex or unwanted &#8220;boyfriends&#8221; / suitors).<br />
 So there are more relationships, more open, in the group and obvious to the adults &#8211; with the resultant deeper seriousness and &#8220;frustration and intensity&#8221; that goes along with it, with the sexualized culture &#8220;condom additions&#8221; as merely a single example. Hence, more abuse.<br />
 I seriously doubt anyone is wiling in the majority to go back to stifling, suffocating, non litigious, adults in charge, spankings accepted, &#8220;religious&#8221; like norms.<br />
 Well, there are consequences.</p>
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