Comments on: President Clinton’s Mother’s Day Message http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:50:45 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: James Guglielmino http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204840 James Guglielmino Thu, 14 May 2009 17:19:47 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204840 If Bill were the "smartest President ever," he would have kept his pants zipped. He is absolutely, without any possible argument, responsible for shrub Bush being elected. Remember the book "When Presidents Lie?" Its thesis is that there are massive and not immediately measurable consequences to the great lies of presidents. So too, there may be massive and not immediately measurable consequences to the transgressions of presidents as they are exposed. In this case, we experienced the Bush administration. These would NEVER have happened without Clinton's transgressions. Therefore, we would not have had the invasion of Iraq. It is arguable that we would not have had the successful attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon because Bush's arrogance prevented him from believing that such an attack could occur, so he ignored the warnings that it was coming. The issue of Afghanistan might have been dealt with by diplomats instead of with an invasion. In short, I'd like to slap Clinton for what he has caused. If Bill were the “smartest President ever,” he would have kept his pants zipped. He is absolutely, without any possible argument, responsible for shrub Bush being elected. Remember the book “When Presidents Lie?” Its thesis is that there are massive and not immediately measurable consequences to the great lies of presidents. So too, there may be massive and not immediately measurable consequences to the transgressions of presidents as they are exposed. In this case, we experienced the Bush administration. These would NEVER have happened without Clinton’s transgressions. Therefore, we would not have had the invasion of Iraq. It is arguable that we would not have had the successful attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon because Bush’s arrogance prevented him from believing that such an attack could occur, so he ignored the warnings that it was coming. The issue of Afghanistan might have been dealt with by diplomats instead of with an invasion. In short, I’d like to slap Clinton for what he has caused.

]]> By: Wisewoman http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204701 Wisewoman Thu, 14 May 2009 03:55:41 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204701 Bill clinton True patriot, loves country, loves people, loves solving problems for the country. Tried to kill Osama but failed. Warned Bush of the danger of Osama but Bush/Cheney ignored it until it was too late. This man brought in a return of jobs, savings, home buying, low deficits, and welfare reform. He ran on a platform of cutting the deficit in half, changing welfare as we know it, create jobs, etc. He accomplished most of his agenda in spite of the Repubs. He passed the deficit reduction package (spending cuts and capital gains tax increase) without one repub vote. Repubs ran negative campaign against him two years later on the tax increase issue and rumors about sexual issues and won because the American people would rather be guided in their voting by bullshit rather than by good policy. I am AA and to me he was more of an AA president than Obama, whom I despise, will ever be. Bill clinton
True patriot, loves country, loves people, loves solving problems for the country. Tried to kill Osama but failed. Warned Bush of the danger of Osama but Bush/Cheney ignored it until it was too late.
This man brought in a return of jobs, savings, home buying, low deficits, and welfare reform. He ran on a platform of cutting the deficit in half, changing welfare as we know it, create jobs, etc. He accomplished most of his agenda in spite of the Repubs. He passed the deficit reduction package (spending cuts and capital gains tax increase) without one repub vote. Repubs ran negative campaign against him two years later on the tax increase issue and rumors about sexual issues and won because the American people would rather be guided in their voting by bullshit rather than by good policy.
I am AA and to me he was more of an AA president than Obama, whom I despise, will ever be.

]]> By: Portia Elizabeth http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204661 Portia Elizabeth Thu, 14 May 2009 01:58:25 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204661 Lisabona --- You seem to be a very compassionate, thoughtful person. I'm glad you decided to make this country your home. Lisabona —
You seem to be a very compassionate, thoughtful person. I’m glad you decided to make this country your home.

]]> By: arran http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204657 arran Thu, 14 May 2009 01:52:22 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204657 Now you're having a pissy fit. Your comment was rude and over the top to foxyladi. Your comments are of little interest to me, because of their immaturity as expressed above. Stop the personal attacks and attempts at ridicule. Now you’re having a pissy fit. Your comment was rude and over the top to foxyladi.

Your comments are of little interest to me, because of their immaturity as expressed above.

Stop the personal attacks and attempts at ridicule.

]]> By: Portia Elizabeth http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204654 Portia Elizabeth Thu, 14 May 2009 01:46:47 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204654 wodiej --- I must respectfully disagree with your assertion that one's personal life is intricately tied to their professional life. I am not trying to denigrate you personal stance on this issue; I'm just saying that I don't share your views. Did you know that some scholars have talked about how Abraham Lincoln actually considered disregarding the slavery issue in his bid to maintain the Union? He at one time had no strong feelings about it one way or the other. Yet he is rightly hailed as a great President, one of only four on Mt. Rushmore. We would have been denied the genius of JFK if we had judged him solely on his propensity for bedding attractive women. I don't understand your need to make a snarky comment about "typical [sad] excuses women make for men". That's a personal attack and beneath your usual comments. I believe I spelled out clearly in my above post that I am NOT making excuses for Bill Clinton. I thought it was a stupid act on his part, too, and was angry because he humiliated Hillary and Chelsea as well as himself. But I don't hold him responsible for 8 years of Bush. Clinton left office with an approval factor of around 60%. Al Gore should've used Clinton to campaign and he should have mounted a challenge to all the questionable practices in Florida's voting in 2000. There's alot of blame to go around for what happened in 2000. wodiej —
I must respectfully disagree with your assertion that one’s personal life is intricately tied to their professional life. I am not trying to denigrate you personal stance on this issue; I’m just saying that I don’t share your views.

Did you know that some scholars have talked about how Abraham Lincoln actually considered disregarding the slavery issue in his bid to maintain the Union? He at one time had no strong feelings about it one way or the other. Yet he is rightly hailed as a great President, one of only four on Mt. Rushmore.

We would have been denied the genius of JFK if we had judged him solely on his propensity for bedding attractive women.

I don’t understand your need to make a snarky comment about “typical [sad] excuses women make for men”. That’s a personal attack and beneath your usual comments. I believe I spelled out clearly in my above post that I am NOT making excuses for Bill Clinton.

I thought it was a stupid act on his part, too, and was angry because he humiliated Hillary and Chelsea as well as himself. But I don’t hold him responsible for 8 years of Bush. Clinton left office with an approval factor of around 60%. Al Gore should’ve used Clinton to campaign and he should have mounted a challenge to all the questionable practices in Florida’s voting in 2000.

There’s alot of blame to go around for what happened in 2000.

]]> By: Portia Elizabeth http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204645 Portia Elizabeth Thu, 14 May 2009 01:29:48 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204645 The obvious response to the argument that BC’s private indescretions didn’t affect his job performance is to ask “How do you know it didn’t?”. How can you be certain..." andrew191--- Obviously I can't be certain, just as nobody can say for sure whether any of the above mentioned Presidents would have done things differently if they hadn't had affairs. But if you're implying that Bill would've been a better President except for Monica <em>et al</em>, then just imagine what he could accomplish now that everyone has an eye on him. I totally agree with your suggestion that the FBI should even vet Prez candidates. But if they do that, then they should also vet the Speaker of the House. Newt Gingrich would've been removed before he could do the damage he did. The obvious response to the argument that BC’s private indescretions didn’t affect his job performance is to ask “How do you know it didn’t?”. How can you be certain…”

andrew191—
Obviously I can’t be certain, just as nobody can say for sure whether any of the above mentioned Presidents would have done things differently if they hadn’t had affairs. But if you’re implying that Bill would’ve been a better President except for Monica et al, then just imagine what he could accomplish now that everyone has an eye on him.

I totally agree with your suggestion that the FBI should even vet Prez candidates. But if they do that, then they should also vet the Speaker of the House. Newt Gingrich would’ve been removed before he could do the damage he did.

]]> By: Portia Elizabeth http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204640 Portia Elizabeth Thu, 14 May 2009 01:21:52 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204640 NomNomNom--- I never said, nor do I believe, that Bill Clinton was a perfect President. But I do think he accomplished alot for this country in spite of the Republicans fighting against his efforts at every turn. I don't hold him responsible for terrorist acts plotted during his terms. Bush and Rice were warned to guard against such attacks and minimized the risks with tragic results. We'll never know how Clinton would have handled it. Consider this: Jefferson was a deeply flawed man, but one of our most acclaimed Presidents. He's on Mt. Rushmore for a good reason. NomNomNom—
I never said, nor do I believe, that Bill Clinton was a perfect President. But I do think he accomplished alot for this country in spite of the Republicans fighting against his efforts at every turn. I don’t hold him responsible for terrorist acts plotted during his terms. Bush and Rice were warned to guard against such attacks and minimized the risks with tragic results. We’ll never know how Clinton would have handled it.

Consider this: Jefferson was a deeply flawed man, but one of our most acclaimed Presidents. He’s on Mt. Rushmore for a good reason.

]]> By: Betsy Buzz Ross Latte http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204597 Betsy Buzz Ross Latte Wed, 13 May 2009 23:52:18 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204597 OK amend it only for Bill Clinton! LOL! OK amend it only for Bill Clinton! LOL!

]]> By: arran http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204595 arran Wed, 13 May 2009 23:47:11 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204595 Knock it off, andrew! Knock it off, andrew!

]]> By: IndayHill http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204572 IndayHill Wed, 13 May 2009 22:54:34 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204572 So when the person who is the leader of our own country can’t even show character, it is one hell of a poor role model.tomcat BO has not shown any decent character even BEFORE he was crowned POTUS and yet he is acting as if he is a "saint".What a good model is that? President Clinton is my man ! He rocks !!! My age???? Gee, Mr. Tom Cat, may I know yours???? One thing sure, I am not a spring chicken ha ha ha ha!! So when the person who is the leader of our own country can’t even show character, it is one hell of a poor role model.tomcat
BO has not shown any decent character even BEFORE he was crowned POTUS and yet he is acting as if he is a “saint”.What a good model is that?
President Clinton is my man ! He rocks !!!
My age???? Gee, Mr. Tom Cat, may I know yours????
One thing sure, I am not a spring chicken ha ha ha ha!!

]]> By: Animal Control http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204549 Animal Control Wed, 13 May 2009 22:17:20 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204549 And without a teleprompter And without a teleprompter

]]> By: foxyladi14 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204548 foxyladi14 Wed, 13 May 2009 22:15:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204548 I VOTED FOR BILL TWICE and i would gladly do it again.he has had therapy for his addiction. I VOTED FOR BILL TWICE and i would gladly do it again.he has had therapy for his addiction.

]]> By: Animal Control http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204547 Animal Control Wed, 13 May 2009 22:15:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204547 And without a teleprompter! And without a teleprompter!

]]> By: Tom Cat "wodiej" Jefferson Esq http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204543 Tom Cat "wodiej" Jefferson Esq Wed, 13 May 2009 22:11:01 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204543 so you don't think peace and prosperity have anything to do with having values? The lack of values and the small importance we place on them in this country is a large portion of our problems today. Dishonesty, corruption, etc. No? So when the person who is the leader of our own country can't even show character, it is one hell of a poor role model. You don't think our country ever had peace, prosperity or happiness before Bill Clinton? How old are you? so you don’t think peace and prosperity have anything to do with having values? The lack of values and the small importance we place on them in this country is a large portion of our problems today. Dishonesty, corruption, etc. No? So when the person who is the leader of our own country can’t even show character, it is one hell of a poor role model.

You don’t think our country ever had peace, prosperity or happiness before Bill Clinton? How old are you?

]]> By: foxyladi14 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/05/12/president-clintons-mothers-day-message/#comment-1204540 foxyladi14 Wed, 13 May 2009 22:06:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=24378#comment-1204540 actually he was both. actually he was both.

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