Someone Needs Help
By dcmediagirl on May 22, 2009 at 6:48 AM in Current Affairs
I’m not sure why some think that just because Olbermann or Maddow or entire networks make comments or cover events in ways that are objectionable that it then becomes OK to blindly defend and ignore the over-the-top grossness and bigotry of the likes of Rush Limbaugh. Since when did media consumption become a zero sum game?
The man has demonstrated, in his own words, that he has some, shall we say, issues. Consider this disgusting, disrespectful and demented excerpt from one of his radio shows:
Limbaugh even thinks anal rape is funny when it’s no joke. He’s played testimony from a rape trial just for laughs; here he is talking about a rape victim:
LIMBAUGH: Now she’s on the stand in our first video clip here trying to explain when this happened. I think she got raped or some such thing like that, and — and she’s trying to explain to the jury and the judge and all the lawyers, everybody in court, how it happens. And — well, just watch. It speaks for itself.
Unidentified Woman: He lifted my nightgown and he put his finger in my rectum …
Falls forward
Laughter
Unidentified Voice: … unintelligible
End of excerpt; laughter
LIMBAUGH: I’m so — I’m so — I’m trying not to laugh, as you can see …
I would hope that those of you who are proud to consider yourselves feminists, as I do, find this sort of thing repellant.
And for the life of me I can’t figure out why anyone finds this man “entertaining”. I don’t find the term “Feminazi” entertaining. Is it just “entertainment” when he referred to Chelsea Clinton as the White House dog? Or boasted that he had a sign on his office door that reads “Sexual harassment at this work station will not be reported. However…it will be graded!!!” (USA Weekend, 1/26/92)? Or trivialized poverty by saying “$14,400 for a family of four. That’s not so bad.” (Radio show, 11/9/93), after saying just a few months earlier “I know families that make $180,000 a year and they don’t consider themselves rich. Why, it costs them $20,000 a year to send their kids to school.” (Radio show, 8/3/93)?
To answer the question Russell Crowe shouted in Gladiator, “Are you not entertained?” My answer: Not at all.









































I’ve always thought he was sleazy. Occasionally, he makes a valid point; but I think that is due to the randomness found in nature. Within any long series of comments, you can find all sorts of interesting things if you look or listen carefully. The point isn’t that Rush gets things right occasionally; it is that he motivation is all wrong-headed, selfish, sexist and mean-spirited. That undermines anything “worthwhile” he might have to say….
ACPD: I agree. I would go one step further. I have always believed Rush Limbaugh’s motivation is: MONEY! You do realize he lives in a $30 million mansion in Palm Springs, FL don’t you? Money he makes from peddling hate.
Here’s a somewhat different perspective on Rush:
http://images.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/21/limbaugh_obsession/story.jpg
I dont really listen to Rush either, except for when the news has picked up something of his over the air. But before you put him down you might want to look around. Rush is just an entertainer, not a news caster, state representative, dignitary or ??? He is on the radio to entertain people and just maybe his humor gets off base, but that is what he is paid for and sometimes he probably needs to be reined in.
However what makes me sick is how people complain and nit pick about people and others like him who dare to talk against the current administration. Yet the President of our country and his croonies can do and have done far worse and no one dares complain for fear of being called racist. Here on Noquarter many such incidents have been brought up(but no all), yet the news media makes light of them or just laughs along with the comments.
I guess you could say I’m tired of fingers being pointed at anyone that speaks out against the current administration. I’m also tired of these people being picked apart when the head of our country and his people are leaving far worse examples for Obama’s idolizing fans to follow.
Just maybe if the head of our country started setting better ethical examples that our country could follow, things could change and when entertainers got off base they would get more than a hand slap.
Just my two cents.
PS — Over all I do feel that America is out of control. But when the people everyone looks up to, especially our younger people, keep setting poor examples then things are just going to keep getting worse.
ConfusedAmerican: I agree. I think that a drug addict who engages in doctor shopping to feed his habit should set an example by exhibiting compassion and perhaps rethinking his position on jailing addicts. That would set an excellent example.
When those in leadership — elected or “selected” and paid by the taxpayers can admit that they screwed the taxpayers via Fannie, Freddie and Fraudie (0bama) then maybe — just MAYBE — Rush needs to apologize. Until 0blabberman does, then Rush needn’t bother. jowo.
ConfusedAmerican: Nonsense. Limbaugh has been at the forefront of spreading the looniest and most slanderous right-wing tripe for decades. This notion that poor Rush is being picked on just because he opposes Obama is bullshit. His noxious attitudes towards women are amply documented. He spread the rumor that Vince Foster was murdered in an apartment belonging to the Clintons. What’s worse is that he goes on a tirade of smears and when cornered or asked to back up his outrageous claims he hides behind the figleaf of “just being an entertainer”.
Then of course there’s his unbelievable hypocrisy on the issue of drug use. Quote:
Sorry if I’m missing the entertainment value in this.
Hey I dont listen to him and very few do….But once in a while he does come up with some good points.
Is Rush the example I want for my kids No…But I can tune him out very easily.
Is Obama and his cronnies the example I want for my kids NO….But guess what I cant tune him out and neither can my kids….Obama is the president of the US…Wouldn’t it be nice to have someone as the head of our country that set ethical examples that we would want everyone following???
All I am saying is bashing Rush and people like him is kind of stupid. What it does is give him more of what most of us dont want to see; popularity.
Wow. You really ARE a ConfusedAmerican. Limbaugh signed a $400 million deal. No one throws that kind of cash at an on-air personality that “very few” listen to.
Where I live, he’s our sole choice in the mornings since we can’t get radio stations from larger U.S. cities due to mountains. He has a captive audience. The others on that station are Dave Ramsey, Alan Colmes, and Bill O’Reilly. Enough to make one yearn for the Fairness Doctrine. (Yes, opposition to the Fairness Doctrine is another rightwing talking point that sounds great until you live in an area like I do, and you’re forced to listen to rightwing talk or nothing.)
That’s why I have a CD player in my car.
thats why i have my C,B,radio,
But unlike obama, he doesn’t begrudge anyone of making the that type of money like Obama does.
Gee. Call people gun clingers who don’t like foreigners and tell them that their sons and daughters returning from Iraq are “terrorists.” Imagine that they like Rush. Give me a break. The fringe left is no better than the fringe right. Fringe is Fringe.
Interesting. Obama isn’t the example of what you want for your kids? A black man who achieved great success in his education, with his mind and desire, a man who articulates his points without attacking those who don’t agree with him and DO attack him with virulence. See Cheney’s first five seconds yesterday. Isn’t it somewhat unimaginable and incredibly arrogant that the former Vice President, a guy who gives NO QUARTER, whatsoever to his opponents, (see outing of Valerie Plame to get at her husband) has the audacity to complain that The President of the United States ran into his time? WOW! The guy needs to have his legs chopped out (figuratively) from under him.
In any case, I’ll take Obama as a model for my kids. I feel sorry for yours.
Lets say it this way….Everyone knows how Obama got to where he is….Eveyone knows how Obama demeaned Hillary and women for that matter many times during his campaign.
Many know that Obama rise to sucess is full of bodies throw aside when they were no longer of use to him…Obama’s bus has so many under it, I think some people are afraid to be called his friend.
I want my kids to see that if they are honest and true to themselves, the people around them and the world they can be somebody in this world.
I DONOT want my children to think that lieing and cheating is the best way to obtain success. This is what Obama and his croonies have been doing and are teaching. Even many Obama supporters have admitted that they know he cheated, with many saying OH Well.
I want that too. But am beginning to seriously doubt that we will ever have that again… if we ever really did. Now, I just want above all things that my kids not become like those hapless “sheep” that watch CNN and MSNBC and believe everything they see in the media and who filter world events as they are presented in the media and in school textbooks. Right now, that education is probably worth more than an ivy league degree. Because, you can educate yourself at anytime in life, but if you lack objective thinking skills what is the point? No, I don’t think the world is how we would want it, it is not as it should be… it is what it is. Right now Obama is the king of that world which “is”.
CA — very good points! I want my son to know the value of things because he worked to earn them, not because he cheated to get them.
My nieces are half Hispanic. 0bama is the last person I want them to eminate. PLEASE!
Prove it. Nary a paper trail of “achievements” or “accomplishments”. Various figures indicate that he has paid around a million dollars to keep us from knowing what we know about the other candidates from former Senator Clinton, Senator John McCain and Governor Sarah Palin.
He genuflected before a Muslim Saudi king in front of the world’s leaders. Not the example I want my kids to follow either.
Strange but no one seems to know who our President was and is ..and when anyone gets close watch out. Obama’s paper trail has been and still is mostly hidden from sight…Hey Obama has spent over a million dollars to hide most of it…so I guess Obama’s pass life will stay hidden as long as Obama has the money to keep it hidden.
Isn’t it interesting that you have to use a comparison with Rush Limbaugh, who is the scum of the earth, to try to make the point that O is o.k.?
There are those abusers who are open about it and think it’s o.k. to abuse. They are supported by a culture that pays for what they think is funny about abusive behavior.
Then there are the abusers who are subtle and know that abusive behavior is not valued in the society in which they want recognition, so they cover themselves by pretended fair behavior.
Give me a break–there are too many people who have been hurt badly by people like Obama, who can see through him. He is a narcissist, one of the worst kind of abusers because it takes a long time for the rest of the world–those who have not ever really had to deal with this kind of abuse–to see how seriously flawed he is.
The simple fact that he does not openly provide direct information about his background makes it clear that he is a narcissist. These people can’t accept any guilt and need to appear perfect at all costs. If he really gave out college records and true autobiographical information, his facade would crumble entirely.
James,are you referring to 99-Problems-But-a-Bitch-Ain’t-One Obama?
… to middle-finger-salute-Obama?
… to she’s-likable-enough Obama?
…to I-can’t-win-unless-I steal-Hillary’s-4-MI-delegates Obama?
…to fuck-the-democratic-process Obama?
Yeah, Obot James, Obama is a gem of a role model for the children.
Exactly!!!
not my children….
word, trixta.
How sad that you approve as a model for your offspring someone who:
Lies: FISA, GUANTANAMO,IRAQ,TORTURE, GUTS FUNDING TO HBCU schools (Historically Black Colleges and Universities), DESTROYS PRIVATE companies that employ thousands of people for no good reason,disrespects women, etc. etc. Yes, I am talking about the Obama person. You are a frightening person, sir.
Let’s see, Obama as a model? The kids could learn how to be deceptive, not be forthcoming and steal elections? Wow, I’m impressed. You might take the President out of Illinois politics, but you won’t take the lying, cheating Illinois politics out of the President. Does that make Dick Cheney any better? No, but it does not make him any worse than Obama and his gang of thugs.
In our family, lying, cheating, and stealing are not acceptable. So, he’s not a role model around here, either. It’s really that simple.
Hate to tell you but your example is not a good example of bad Rush….what he said about drug use has a lot of truth behind it…Alot of truth.
IF you have not seen what drugs and drug use has done to many neighborhoods then you must be living in a glass bubble. If you have not seen how some drug users get away easier while others dont…then you live in a glass bubble.
Wrong piece to quote….
If you don’t get the irony of Rush talking about drug abuse….sheesh.
To the very aptly named ConfusedAmerican: Fine. Drug use is bad. Addicts are a menace. So why didn’t Limbaugh report directly to jail?
HMmm why didnt many of our Politicians report to jail too, or our movie stars, or the list goes on and on….
Hey I dont like Rush. Most of what I have heard of his is through other news media. But you know what he’s a weird entertainer, yet some of what he has said has gotten people to think.
Do I want Limbaugh to be an example for kids? NO. Do I want Olbermann and Maddow to be an example for kids? NO!
So what’s the point of this thread?
Ditto. I don’t listen too or watch any of the three. I would not consider any of he three to be journalist. I don’t care what their degree may have written on it. They’ve nothing but warped opinions. And you know what they say about opinions….Besides, I have better things to do with my time, like bother everyone here with my opinions.
The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too.”
Did he feel that way about his abuse of pain medications? (snark)
There are a lot of kinds of pain, and a lot of kinds of medicines for them. A lot of people have problems with these. Without knowing everything, it isn’t right to judge him in this way. If somebody doesn’t care for what he says, then o.k.
I have never listened to Limbaugh, only know of his comments second or third hand. I have heard of a few that made sense, but far more that I would consider scurrilous.
However, I also avoid Olbermann and Maddow, as well as others, like the plague.
Are you not doing the same thing here that you seem to bemoan in your 1st paragraph? Using Limbaugh as a counter to disgust with Olb. and Maddow?
Pernicious behavior stands on its own, regardless of the perpetrator. Comparisons of such are useless. As children we hopefully learn that bad behavior by one is not offset by that of another.
Your premise strikes me as being as off-base as trying to mitigate the Taliban’s actions, by citing those of al Qaeda. Both are despicable.
Just for clarification, considering a lack of juxtapostion, my above comment was to dcmediagirl.
Just Me:
1. Limbaugh has a much bigger audience and is far more influential than MSNBC and CNN combined. That makes him worthy of scrutiny.
2. I am still baffled by the hypocrisy of those who claim to be feminists and Hillary supporters who not only listen to but defend this man and think he’s on Hillary’s side (which trust me, he is not). The double standard is insane given Limbaugh’s history of sexist, racist, xenophobic and homophobic rantings. Some people who post comments here need to think about that.
to DCMediagirl
1. CNN and NBC combined with Obama’s media network from the white house have a greater audience than Rush.
2. Rush was fading into obscurity when the White House decided to pull a frat house prank and called Rush a leader of Rupublicans—Why did they have a need to do that???????
3. Who cares about Rush?????????
3a. I care that POTUS stoled the election from a FEMALE who is MORE qualified than he can ever be.
Where’s you outrage about the misogny and sexism that Obama has promoted in the past and is continuing to promote.
dcmediagal - you’re a hypocrite.
YES!
They want to tangle with Rush because they thought that it would be easy … and a distraction. They were WRONG! They would have been far better not trying to play the corners.
dcmediagirl
I stand by my assertion that insult is insult, regardless of who does it.
The size of Limbaugh’s audience is not at issue. His wrong-headed remarks are.
Same with Maddow and Olbermann.
Olbermann’s treatment of HRC during the campaign was the worst of any in my mind. Totally sexist, malicious, and degrading at every turn.
However, that in no way excuses Limbaugh, just as Limbaugh’s behavior in no way excuses Olbermann.
Why does the obvious vitriol of one, have to be juxtaposed with the vitriol of the other?
Malefactors are malefactors, and in my opinion should be judged simply re their own baseness. Comparisons seemingly only serve to cloud the issue.
Unfortunately, this is somewhat of a parallel situation of the thesis of “When Presidents Lie,” that the lies of previous administrations lead to lies in future generations.
In this case, the behavior of the last administration seems to have set an example that is likely to lead to behavior of future administrations that, while perhaps not as egregious as the last, may be not very pleasant to some.
I believe this response amounts to.
Bush lied so Obama can too.
I think it’s ridiculous that we as the American people have lowered our standards so far, that this “rationale” is okay.
This country is headed for ruin with thinking like this.
Well said Miss Malevolent….
James, James, James… Bill “I did not have sexual relations with that woman,” under oath, no less, Clinton!!!
Concur on your comment confusedamerican. How can these jamokes point fingers at Limbaugh and not say anything when Gov. Palin “should be gang raped” by some New York guys. Oh yeah, she’s not a real woman, she’s conservative. Rush was pulling for Hillary to beat Obama and they still dog pile. Sounds like “CHERRY (fact) PICKING” to me.
It’s because they are H Y P O C R I T E S
Lush Rimjob (puke)
Keith Olberdouche (puke)
My puke comes out the same for both. And all those that try to defend them. Or the likes of Rove, Newt,Nancy or Bambi
H Y P O C R I T E S
and punks
They’re all entertainers with overblown egos. Real journalism is dead.
I recommend:
WorldFocus.org — and the TV show that is carried on PBS stations around the country
BBC World News America — an hour-long news program that’s world news with an American slant, aired twice daily on BBCAmerica
Outstanding recommendations.
Just checked the website — too biased for me. SusanUnPC - have you started drinking the koolaide???
That might be true if they really entertained people. I don’t think any of the three have any entertainment value. They’re so miserable in their own lives, along with several others, they have nothing better to do than to try and make others as miserable as they are. Misery does love company. I know there is a lot of misery in the world right now, but we don’t have to bathe in it. There is still plenty to be thankful for, to enjoy, and be happy about.
has been for awhile now….
Since when?
Since Bob Somerby at the great Daily Howler spent several weeks explaining how Olbermann and Maddow are FACTUALLY INCORRECT pundits, and how they both represent the worst of the worst in “progressive” politics.
Aren’t YOU offended by a so-called Rhodes Scholar literally GIGGLING over the use of the word “teabaggers?”
If not, you should be.
It is no wonder that Americans have fled MSNBC and moved anywhere else they can, to find out real news.
And I say that, as a lifetime Democrat.
Due respect.
Mary:
Straw man argument. Perhaps you didn’t read what I wrote. Just because you don’t like what Maddow and Olbermann have to say doesn’t mean Limbaugh and Fox get a pass.
And for those of you just tuning in I have been very vocal for quite some time in my criticism of plenty of media outlets including MSNBC and CNN.
And for the record I’m far more worried about the inaccuracies and lies being spread by the Maureen Dowds, Tom Friedmans, David Broders and Judy Millers of the world than Olbermann and Maddow. I’m troubled that so many people are drinking the Fox/Limbaugh kool-aid.
Here’s my attitude: It was fine to take in Fox News during the primaries — because Fox was oddly more fair to Hillary than MSNBC and CNN — and the general election because Fox refused to idolize Obama.
But, less and less can I bear to listen. Here are a couple reasons why:
1) The network’s mantra is pro-torture and portrays anyone opposed to torture as spineless (which would include Larry, DCMediaGirl, me, all of our other writers at NoQuarter and most of our readers);
2) The network is consistently opposed to true universal health care and runs scare stories about the ills of “socialized” medicine. (As is Obama, but that’s another story — Medicare For All is the only sane way to go);
3) The network loves to toss around terms like socialism without a sensible context — it is reminiscent of the right’s opposition to Social Security in the 1930s. Now, everyone recognizes the courageous formation of Social Security as one of the great social contracts that saved countless millions of elderly people from abject poverty.
There are many more reasons I find myself turning the dial a lot, but those will suffice.
Excellent points–I agree wholeheartedly. It’s hard to find any MSM outlet that one can rely on for objectivity in news reporting or that can provide opposing views in anything less than mudwrestling style format.
I still appreciate Greta even though the rest have gone off the rails. She’s respectful, logical and intelligent.
What a strawman you use.
I don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh.
I READ Bob Somerby, who admits our own Democratic “spokesmen” are idiots, and goes on to prove it with facts.
If you’re not reading Somerby, then you’re as easily misled as are Limbaugh’s followers.
Just a different side of the same groupie coin.
Truth is that I *am* sometimes offended by some of Rachel Maddow’s presentations. The same is true of Olbermann. In particular, I do not enjoy the use of “F” (you) on national television. Everyone knows, without the “uck” what it means and I don’t enjoy it…(I really need to edit some of my own posts regarding that sort of thing. If it looks ugly to me in Olbermann…what about me? Yeah, this isn’t national TV.) OK, having said all that, Rush Limbaugh promotes the most ugly, the most odious of lying. Someone should do a study, since your post is asserting that Maddow and Olbermann lie. Who lies more, Limbaugh or the two from the left? There have been lengthy studies of Limbaugh and he does not stand up well. At this point, I see Olbermann and Maddow as unpleasant weapons of mass destruction that counter Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, et al.
Gug
I watch Maddow for the occasional stories she carries that are worth watching.
It is in no way harmful to me to watch her show since I have a brain that can process that which is propaganda and that which I find important. If I hadn’t watched her show, I would have missed the segment that I turned into a story here: “Lt. Col. Victor Fehrenbach: Fighting to Serve”
I watch Chris Matthews often as well. Occasionally, he has a segment that is important to share here. Recently, he had Tyler Drumheller on, and I posted that video — Drumheller, a friend of Larry’s, was the CIA chief of European Operations who KNEW that any information that Curveball had provided was fiction and he tried desperately to warn Colin Powell, before his now-infamous speech at the U.N. If I hadn’t had Matthews on, I would have missed that interview.
So, I surf. But I have fealty to NO station. I take what’s good and criticize or ignore the rest.
Back to Fox News for a moment: Sean Hannity’s show has become nearly unwatchable. He’s not the brightest knife in the drawer to begin with, but he destroys every interview — no matter how interesting the guest might be — because he harps on his small arsenal of arguments over and over and over. The guest rarely has a chance to speak. So there’s nothing worthwhile on his show.
Susan you are a much braver soul than I am. I cannot watch MSNBC at all. I don’t watch CNN anymore, although I still will go to their website if I see a headline that captures my attention.
I personally watched more CNN. Over all the other news channels. I’ve never liked Olbermann. He spewed too much vile. I don’t listen to Rush. I don’t watch Hannity or O’Reilly. Although I will listen from time to time Hannity on the radio, he has a different personality there. Not so hateful or partisan.
I do like the morning crew at FOX. Meghan and Shep. I really miss listening to Lou Dobbs, but I still catch him on the radio from time to time. And I enjoy watching Greta when I can catch her show. I don’t want to hear anything the far left or the far right have to say…no matter who their guest is.
I don’t like liars. I don’t like liars on the right and I don’t like liars on the right. I don’t like liars and I don’t base my dislike or disdain on who lies more. I stopped using that argument when I became an adult.
I don’t listen to Limbaugh, Olberman or Maddow. I never did listen to Limbaugh and every word you said about him is true. I would never support him.
However I do think it is stupid beyond belief for the Obama Administration to go to war with him. Puts him on a higher plane that he deserves. IMO.
I think the reason that so many of us are so outraged, more outraged by the likes of Olbermann and Maddow is because we thought they were on “our” side and thus were better and smarter than the likes of Limbaugh. When they demonstrated that they were no better we were, rightly so IMO, outraged.
I never expect anything from Rush or his ilk and so am not nearly as outraged at what he says of does. He matters to me not at all and never did. Olbermann and Maddow did at one time and thus I hate them worse.
I do watch some FOX. Greta and Cavuto. NOT Hannity, Beck or O’Reilly. But I watch nothing on MSNBC or CNN. They let us down and I will never forgive them anymore than I will every forgive the Democratic Party.
AMEN
We do expect more from our own and we were cheated this election.
There are no journalists anymore. Reporters who reported the true facts and let the people decide.
Now both the left and the right are two sides of the same coin. Both sides full of sound and fury signifying nothing.
One of the first steps toward dictatorship is the lack of an honest media.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Exactly–I felt totally cheated by this last “election.”
Now after learning the things we have about how the Ohio election for W was totally cheated, not to mention Florida. And after witnessing the caucus/primary fraud of the Dem party (and of course there are other examples), I’ve become almost convinced that it does me no good to participate in our supposed democracy.
I had a person from the DNC call me recently. I’ve responded in writing several times to their begging letters about how I’ve decided to drop my membership and about why I made that decision.
She wanted to know if there wasn’t at least something I liked about what O was doing. I told her I could maybe find a few things–like especially his choice of SOS (though she should have been the one choosing someone for that position), but that the fraud committed during the primary tainted everything about him in my mind. I said clearly that I am not a person who can let the ends justify the means, and that I would never support a party whose leaders did feel it was o.k. to follow that type of thinking.
I am still feeling like I am out somewhere in a political wilderness with no place to call home.
Amen, sister! Well said!
i,m with AMY……
I don’t want to give a radical on either side an outlet to spew their hate. The only thing they’ve done is divide this country. Like I said above, I’m not going to give them one more viewer no matter who their guest is. The only way the radicals on both sides are going to loose their voice is when we quit listening. I’m done. They want to live in a divided country, to be so miserable they have to make other’s miserable…People who enjoy being miserable with them, can do so. But, count me out.
dcmediagirl it’s all Koolaid the question is just what flavor do you like? Personally I prefer the truth. Sure it taste like crap going down, and gives your stomach hell, but it’s like fiber, and american’s don’t get enough. And that’ why we are heading for a futre with alot of problems.
Want the truth? Here goes: Obama is inept and he’s running this country. Bush was inept and he ran this country into the ground. We are f**ked. That’s the only thing that matters. It’s the cold unadultrated truth, and i’m not in the mood for bullshit from the right or the left. Both parties screwed this country along with a egocentric propaganda printing press that from the conception of this country has had the freedom to print what it likes and instead of informing the american public, they become propaganda mills.
Like i said it tastes like shit going down and hurts like hell. But unless we start dealing with it our days as a viable country are numbered.
THANK-YOU, K-Girl,you are right. We should talk about the TRUTH and not the party. I will never-ever will listen CNN and MSNBC, they are insulting my intelligents, as , I think many other truth loving Americans. I start to listen, Fox channel, because they were the only one station, traying to wake America, before this catasropfe we are in today. I don’t accept everything what Fox news say, but I reject everything what CNN and MSNBC say. Those, who own this station are nothing more than a bunch of Kool-aid crooks.
Absolutely. There is no justification for what happened in the last election. The larger problem than Rush offending people is the way Obama is using the supposed independent of political influence MEDIA to spread his propaganda.
He did it in the election and he does it on a daily basis now. If any media journalist or representative reported one fluff piece or just wrote something without the real research then they are co-conspirators in the travesty of pushing Obama on the United States.
No more finger pointing at each other, media members. YOU are the problem.
I`m sorry, I like Rush.
Several months ago Rush had a show ONLY for woman who don`t agree with him. He gallantly accepted their arguments and has altered his behavior.
Yes, Rush did have a problem with pain killers but, he has shared that with his listeners and voiced that he is well aware of how hard it is to kick and addiction. GOD HUMBLES US ALL!
Adults repair relationships with people by communication. Children shun people and keep the lines of communication closed.
As far as homophobia, during the last presidential election Rush gave a heads up to a PUMA site HillBuzz knowing full well that it was run by gay men from Boyztown Chicago. The conservatives that Rush directed to that site have stayed and some wonderful discussions occur there.
Snerdley who runs Rush`s show is a black man and everyone else is a WOMAN and they all love him!
You don`t have to agree with people on everything to be civil and have a discussion. And, yes there are somethings you do agree with Rush on.
ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE POLITICIANS IN BOTH PARTIES IN THIS COUNTRY SUCK!
Politicians deflect the criticism from themselves by pitting liberals against conservatives. Most people are middle of the road. Let`s concentrate on the issues we agree on and build from there and oust all these losers.
People like Maddow are just children who haven`t grown up. Who cares how smart you are? If you can`t act like an adult and get along with people you are a failure. And she is a failure!
One criticism I have of women is that they alienate people. I grew up a tomboy. When I played baseball with the guys if you didn`t like the second baseman you put up with him because you needed 9 guys to play. Women play with dolls, one on one, and if you didn`t like some one you refused to play with them. Lose your childish behavior and move up to the big leagues now and learn to play with the big boys.
Rush is effective in his criticism of obama. The narcissistic, only child, spoiled, brat can`t take it. And for that I applaud the man. He also insn`t intimidated like the beta male hedge fund managers who backed down in the Chrysler bankruptcy.
Learn to use Rush to your benefit.
JRD, Well said.
No one is perfect. Limbaugh doesn’t have to be perfect to make good points–which he is doing often.
That said, I believe both parties are two sides of the same worthless coin. Neither stand for fiscal responsibility and both use social issues as attack vehicles, not because they give a darn about people.
mediagirl: Thanks so much for this article. You’re exactly right. I find it disturbing that people are defending Rush Limbaugh and his ilk, and also Dick Cheney. If someone is that into neoConservatism, why are on this site anyway?
I think we should hold Obama’s feet to the fire, but I’m not very interested in reading a bunch of sour grapes because there isn’t (still) a Republican in the WH and Republicans think they should always be in power.
Like the one-Party system? Move to Venezuela.
hey tek, it is a two way street! name calling goes both ways.
Why get in the way of democracy right Tek..
No Quarter traffic is down 30% since the time when conservatives started getting moderated.
I’m proud to have called it first months ago that Cheney has the goods on revisionists and haters like you here.
Cheney has blown you folks right out of the water.
Cheney is rising!
Ha Ha!
hannity is that you?
Neocons are neither new nor conservative. Barry Goldwater is spinning in his grave.
Rush is a blowhard from the political right, and he is no better nor worse than blowhards from the left including Olbermann, Maddow, Matthews, Cafferty et al. In fact, it is the blowhards from the left that treated Hillary Clinton far worse than anyone from the right has done. I love the right now, because during the nomination battle with Obama they were DEFENDING Clinton against the attack from the left, from Obama sycophants, and from the mainstream media. Sorry, Rush and Hannity are great, because anything or anyone that challenges the fraud-in-chief Obama is cool by me. Now, let’s just hope that Hillary runs for POTUS again in 2011. That would be the only thing that would get me supportive of Democratic politics again.
the name calling here, makes me not want to come here as much,
bottom line,
what makes you more sick, rush, cheney, or
obama and the media whorring for him,,
for me the latter,,,,,,,,
EXCELLENT POINT. I wish everyone would read your comment. The vitriol and hostility turns off everyone who comes here seeking rational, calm discourse.
Outlawales, Don’t go, please! These are frustrating times and it’s all too easy to let venting get out of hand, but if you stick to reading the posters and commenters who stay on point, there is much to learn from this community. And I’d like to hear more of your opinions, too!
Absolutely right!
I’ve stopped commenting to certain people’s posts because their responses are usually personal attacks instead of explanations of their positions.
Rush is just plain revolting. I simply cannot believe that anybody in the Republican party puts stock in this arrogant, offensive classless blowass and thinks he’s the future of The Party– unless they are working for the Democratic Party. I find it amusing that, while people find it easy to recognize Barack Obama’s blatent narcissism, that they don’t seem to notice that Limbaugh is his match.
If rush were not influential to indepents and moderate republicans the they would waste their time digging up an old stories about Rush conviently after he has been blowing Obama out of the water.
Rush can and will be off-color at times, but who
has not said things that they should not have said?
If you are a person who is of independent thought and not a bot to either Obama or Rush, you will find that both of these individuals can and do things that really are not of your view.
Mr. Obama said to the bankers, “I am the one keeping you from the pitchforks”, well Rush is telling us when and where the pitchforks are coming from Mr. Obama. Rush has the clout to challenge Mr. Obama, and seems to be in a party of few to stand and challenge this President.
At this point you choose your allies and Rush is a choice for many who have so few others who are standing up to this President, so sometimes he will be given a pass for a off-color remark.
well donnal, all this hubris about rush makes me ask myself why is obama so afraid of him. that’s right obama is afraid of rush! think about that one! i am not a supporter of either one but i think it is a question worth some thought.
here is what disturbs me the most! anyone who decides that their koolaid is better than the other side. that includes the right and the left. the american people are sick of the far left and the far right. we are sick of being called names, being short changed and told we aren’t worthy because we don’t fit someone’s profile for what’s right. i am sick of it.
Correct. This snow-job of “my viewpoint is the only correct one” BS is sickening.
The left is just as nasty, just as sickening, and just as corrupt as the right.
We’re tired of being programmed by the media. We do have the right to change channels, unsubscribe, or turn off the noise. And so much of it is just noise.
Actually, when you think about it, the whole premise of this thread started out as just more noise in written form.
Now, media, find the birth certificate, get the Chicago corruption connections, get the transcripts, fill in the blanks. In other words, do your f-ing job!
This is the problem — Most of the media is too busy trying to find Obama’s A$$ to kiss.
Many Americans are trying to find out what the heck is going on in and with our country. Thanks to mainstream’s media’s love affair with Obama we have to look at other sources.
Strange but when one does research on some of the comments made by the so called news entertainment media people (Hannity, Beck, Rush, Greta and the list goes on) there are many, many truths found along with lots of questions America needs the answers to; not just wants the answers to.
Right now the Democratic party is doing its best to get most of these guys or any other media opponents off the airways. Sorry but I would rather have a few people who do get a bit radical then what we now have for mainstream news media.
stodgie for President!
geez, turns red, thanks portia! i have had my time in the spot light with trips to dc and in an unpaid position in city government. i like being on the outside looking in. i never found it to be much fun. i am sure many will agree, the last job many of us would ever want is president.
It’s easy for me to dismiss blowhards of the sort we’re discussing. But at least these folks are upfront about their biases and POVs so we can therefore judge accordingly.
What I find extremely troubling and offensive are slyer, subtler forms of bias which can take many forms: omission of stories or facts that don’t conform to an agenda; promotion of stories that fit an agenda; story placement (either burying or showcasing stories to suit an agenda); misleading or sensational headlines; using unflattering or sensational photos; choice of characterizations (i.e., using the term cackle instead of laughter), etc. Instances like these are much more insidious and manipulative than the rantings of propagandists, and AT LEAST as dangerous.
AMEN! Stodgie. I din’t care what Rush say or do. He won’t change my everyday life. What I care about, our Country and the future of my children and grandchildren. Don’t take me wrong, Susan, I love and respect Hillary. I woted for her and I would do again anytime. Fact, that I respect her, sometime I disagree with her, doing 0bama dirty laundry, it is just not Hillary I know and trust. I think,and wish her, to look more closely the problem with Israel and Palestine and make a decision that will help us, Americans and stop Jihad and terrorists, who never wanted peace(Arafat) and live in peace. I don’t know, really, what they want. It needs TWO to tango.
I don’t listen to Rush and only read a few of his political comments in 2008. I’m all for freedom of speech, which bho and co. have stomped on for a few years with the help of the sellout media. Abusing women on the air, no.
What is still a revelation to me is the deeply embedded sexism and misogyny in this country, which bho and his thugs welcomed and nurtured from the campaign forward with the help of male and female misogynists in the media. I think the point of this post is to show Rush’s horrible treatment of women as a form of “entertainment” as so many tv shows, movies, video games do.
Holler about politics all you want, Rush. Please show some respect for women in the meantime.
Exactly–and the point is that rape is NEVER funny!
To me, it’s a strange bedfellows thing. Or, to mix metaphors, when you’re in battle, you put up with the idiosyncrasies of those sharing the foxhole. The objective now is to expose POtuS for the con artist he is. Assuming we can get to the point that Hillary is back in charge, as she should be, then Rush, et al, won’t be in our foxhole anymore.
Rush makes boatloads of money because he fills a void, like it or not. Is his humor crass? Yes, sometimes. While I completely understand why someone like Larry, who licks Clinton butt 24/7 would whine about Limbaugh, at least make a point valid to some argument we are dealing with today instead of pointless distractions a la Rahm Emanuel. Last I checked, there was no “Limbaugh Bodycount”. (Google “clinton body count” and tell me that is all BS. Its not. They are thugs.) Limbaugh just sits around and makes fun of the braindead media and the braindead central planners in Washington. If they weren’t braindead, Rush would be making $14000 himself.
Larry, how do you and your friends get away with pretending to be against bigotry and still kiss the ass of Hillary?
LISTEN PEOPLE: Hillary was exposed (along with Sen. Rockefeller) plotting to “OUT THE LIFESTYLES” of those who dared stand up against her naive commie single payer health care scheme. Shes a fascist just like the rest of them.
Joe Nunya: Please adjust your tinfoil hat. If you’re going to discuss the Clinton Body Count you would probably feel more comfortable at the Free Republic. It’s that way ———>
i think one thing to look at here is the fact that rush, newt and a number of others are becoming appealing to those who a few years ago wouldn’t give them the time of day. that tells me the democrats are failing big time. sure we can digress and talk about the election, etc. but the middle is leaving. everyone can frame it to fit their partisan position here, but the center, the majority is becoming fed up with democrats. they had to chance to do another fdr moment and they blew it, big time. the repubs blew the last 8 years. so what is there to support, ourselves!
Very true….The people who many thought as just weird entertainers are now being listen to by those disgusted by government overall…Not just the democrats but republicans too.
it also tells me SoMe people NEED to follow someone and will switch their allegiance like some switch their hair color
as long as they yell LOUD ENOUGH and appear to KNOW what the frig they are talking about………….. they will just follow
how SOON they forget - remember even a broken down beat up clock is correct twice a day!
and this distant cousin thing with bambi and chainsaw has me VERY much going Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
apple/tree/blood/water
argh
There’s a scientific study out there (from the WWII days) that examines that 1/3 of any population will always go with the most totalitarian regime, no questions asked. There is something about having that absolute strong leader these people literally can’t resist.
This explains a lot about this wondrous party identification poll…the country is now split roughly in thirds. Go figure.
I don’t care one way or the other about Limbaugh. I take him for what he is: this offensive uncle who often is a boor and occasionally has something worth thinking about when it’s stripped of the pomposity and political incorrectness (which I don’t care for anyway).
Having said that, it’s worth remembering…Limbaugh is in a medium with Opie & Anthony, Howard Stern, and general morning crassness.
Olbermann, Maddow, Shuster, Norah O’Donnel, Andrea Joyce, Campbell Brown, Anderson Cooper, and also Orally, Beck, Hannity, et al….
…they all exist on the TV media that was once assumed to be a journalists media with (at least) some token respect for objectivity and obligation to the citizens (us). A media of Cronkite where whatever (you suspected) a person’s political leanings, there was at least some acknowledgment of the need and importance for objectivity.
To find Limbaugh I’d have to be in a car and look for an AM radio station (which for me is like being in a jungle). Television is ubiquitous, everyone can find it, and carries more credibility. And I hope we can agree that perhaps TV news should no longer carry the kind of respect that it once did.
shannon, i started reading an overview recently of all the media outlets in my yahoo recently. i am really struck by how bad the articles are. the quality of writing says cut and paste to me. i used to teach journalism. i hope to see more reporters who go after a story start showing up. you know the intrepid kid that knocks on your door, etc to get the story. we have too few hersh type writers today.
don’t you think some of the problems in journalism come from the top (editors, etc)? the NY Times stands out to me: I feel like they’ve become this trusted professor who has this secret bizarre life.
I’ve trusted the NY Times for so long. I always used to love reading it, feeling the weight of the ‘paper, folding it in half.
The ACORN story — where the ombudsman declares the story went cold (except somehow Beck and Orally, who aren’t even journalists were able to link the strands. How embarrassing and disappointing?!) The NYTimes should be ashamed. Where is that Woodward and Bernstein desire to get a story? Does it apply to Republicans only? Are they the only corrupt one’s? (Have you met Barney Frank and Chris Dodd?) I’m stunned to think that an editor would “kill” a story because it might negatively influence the chosen candidate.
Finally, I saw a very telling CSPAN episode where Bernard Kalb (the old-school newsman from the Times) was grilling a group of NY Times bureau chiefs (who represented today’s generation) on why they chose to include a large color picture on the front page (space that could have been used for an important story) or space for the Jay Leno story in Boston (is that Times front page worthy??). These bureau chiefs were pompous, arrogant, and myopic in their view. I have no doubt they were all huge PresidentBabyJeezus supporters and that it clouds their ability to give me information.
In other words: I really don’t give a damn about Rush Limbaugh. We have bigger problems.
I’ve been wondering if part of the problem is in journalism schools. Are they even teaching investigative journalism anymore? I’d be really interested in hearing input from any journalism teachers about how the journalism academia is viewing the demise of investigative work outside of academia - are they upset, or are they, too, so infatuated with BO that they don’t care?
I taught high school journalism. I tried my best to teach the basic principles of objective investigative journalism. It was a losing battle.
I kept to my principles, but the kids all wanted a more “fun” approach to the newspaper. My student teacher was hired and took the job as advisor after I retired, but she taught one year and left to raise a family. The job finally landed on the desk of a real “popular,” rock star, American idol type of teacher, one who spent lots of time thinking of ways to turn his lesson plans into games. The paper now is a news magazine with lots of fun articles, with little text but lots of photos. The administration doesn’t care, since in Colorado high school journalists have the same legal protections as those journalists working in the “real” newspapers. The administration always hated it when a high school newspaper story pointed out something that really was a problem in the school or the district.
I feel the general problem lies in two places:
1. We have a culture growing based on the “self-esteem” movement that gripped our public schools. It grew into a feeling that since everyone has a right to opinions, that means everyone’s opinion is right (a totally illogical conclusion).
2. We are now a culture that has no real long-term memory, no backround information to judge events against. When memorization was kicked out of schools as a “busy work” activity, kids felt it was o.k. to cheat on any type of test or assignment that meant learning a few facts. So everything now is judged on “in the present moment” context. What is interesting now? What happened before or what will happen after is not connected and should not be discussed.
3. The newspapers now are run by non-journalists for whom the bottom line is the most important thing. If a big advsertiser might not like an article, don’t publish it. If the article doesn’t fit the owner’s own philosophy, it can’t pass the editorial cutting room. In high school, if it isn’t a sappy feel-good article with no real information, don’t write it.
Our fourth estate is failing miserably, but it is doing so, sadly, because our entire culture is oblivious to the need for it to run as it should.
excellent comment, diana!
To your comment, with which I agree, I would add the following:
The emphasis in our society on style and format over substance and content. That’s how we got saddled with That One.
i agree.
To Confused American, how right you are.
I DO listen to Mr. Limbaugh and he is quite entertaining. I do not listen to him for news or anything of substance. The people who are always ragging on him need to back off and push that same venom toward the current administration. Oh, thats right, if Bush did it it was evil and bad but when Obama does the same and worse-no one has a word to say-but they can trash Rush Limbaugh with a ferocity that I can’t believe. You folks who have kids are supposed to be a role model for them-not Rush L or other entertainers. And the drug comments about this character-remeber the O has an extensive drug history-so that argument/put-down means nothing.How many people have listened to the vulgar, ill-informed Stephanie Miller-a fake progressive-and you complain about RL?
The article should have pointed out that the woman was not a rape victim, but lied about the rape. The charges were dropped in the Duke case because she lied.
Thank you for providing some important context!
oh thank you Sara, a vital piece of information left out.
Another overemotional rant. Nuff said…..
But when was Rush’s comments made? Before or after the alleged rape was found to have not taken place.
That’s an important distinction.
Rape is still NEVER something to laugh about. I do see it from the young men’s perspective, also. It was not a funny case for them, and the subject is NOT funny.
Until we have the fortitude to condemn those who might hold some/most of our same values when they do or say something horrible, we are condemned to have this same filth day in and day out.
I won’t even casually applaud or defend ANYONE in a general way just because they made a joke against someone I don’t like.
Rush uses his “entertainment” excuse as an out to deflect any real responsibility for the truth. He’s been SO wrong about a great many thing…and yet his huge following just nods and goes along. I find him appalling in his lack of facts.
Olbermann/Maddow are just as crass and like to use some warped notion of wit as cover when they attack the GOP. But they sold their soul when they also attacked then Sen. Clinton. I find these two, and most others like them, appalling because of their lack of consistency in ideals (when oZero does something W did, it’s now all of a sudden, OK with them, for example). I find hypocrisy the lowest form of venom.
I blame a lot of this situation on Fox News, Murdoch and R. Ailes. Not so long ago, the TV news media was liberal, but not without the ability to check facts and do reporting. But then Fox News shows up and “takes a stand”. They catered to a certain point of view and dared not deviate from that. And they did very well, not so much because people were automatically GOP, but because of the way the stories and information and most of all OPINIONS were presented.
Fox News knew how to play the WE vs THEY game. Psychologically, that’s very hard to resist.
When someone plays to that primal level, that “THEY” are out to get you, you can’t help but drop your logical, rational thinking. This is a real phenomenon. And Fox used it very effectively.
So now, the other stations think they have to do the same sort of thing, play the “those people suck” game. It’s about stirring up a base, stirring up a sense of belonging in a larger group of people, explicitly for ratings.
What is troubling about Rush, however, is his actual influence on the GOP party. Maddow can screech all she wants, but Pelosi is deaf to it. When Rush speaks, people listen, including the GOP.
And then Cheney comes out of his coffin and snarls out a firey speech. But guess what? The percentage of people who identify themselves with the GOP is below 28% these days. And it’s because these two, who aren’t officially the GOP leadership are SEEN as the leaders, and people don’t like what they hear.
So, sorry, but people can keep sayin’ Cheney is cleaning up with us “haters”, but just look at what the recent elections tell us about who people are really listening to.
Someone needs help is right, the GOP. They need better messengers.
“The percentage of people who identify themselves with the GOP is below 28% these days.”
ces– you need to catch up. Repubs and Dems are tied now. Repubs have gained >6 points while Dems are falling.
Catch up indeed.
Sorry, it’s 21%. My bad.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/parsing-the-polls/21-percent.html
By Chris Cillizza | April 27, 2009; 3:24 PM ET
The Republican Shrinkage Problem
The new Washington Post/ABC news poll has all sorts of intriguing numbers in it but when you are looking for clues as to where the two parties stand politically there is only one number to remember: 21.
That’s the percent of people in the Post/ABC survey who identified themselves as Republicans, down from 25 percent in a late March poll and at the lowest ebb in this poll since the fall of 1983(!).
…
The number of people who see themselves as GOPers is on the decline even as those who remain within the party grow more and more conservative.
That means that the loyal base of the party has an even larger voice in terms of the direction it heads even as more and more empirical evidence piles up that
back to the GOP cause.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/fewer-than-one-in-four-identify-as-republican-2009-04-29.html
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1229/political-values-core-attitudes-trends-2009
http://people-press.org/party-identification-trend/
Gallup had Indies ahead of both DEMS and PUGS
and BOTH the latter are about equal
dems have lost some lately (durrrrrr wonder why)
and btw
lmao you thinkin Chris has any more credibility than any OTHER hack out there
he’s been an OBOT for awhile now from all I’ve seen of him recently
Someone questioned my numbers, so I gave them my numbers and source. I didn’t claim to give full credibility to the guy who regurgitated the poll’s numbers.
She used Gallop, a “GOP”bot, so does that even things out?
I think the trendlines speak for themselves. People in the middle are bailing out of the GOP, but not necessarily jumping in with the Dims.
Which is sorta the point, isn’t it? The radical loud mouths on either end are pissing off those of us in the middle.
I concur.
32% Gop - 32% Dem - 34% Independent were the percentages earlier this week.
Obama hasn’t exactly done anything for the democratic party.
I got a solicitation for funds email from the democratic committee for congressional elections. They are offering a dinner with That One for donations.
What? The messiah is called out already? Isn’t that more of a desperation move?
Note to Donna Brazile: Where are all those new fresh Democrats now? Guess you still needed the old ones after all.
Please state your source. I did. Thanks.
she’s quoting GALLUP
which I was told years ago was a republican rag
so if they’re saying it perhaps they are lying
but wtf? why would they diss their OWN?
Rush is too hateful for me but I will say he is a master propagandist. just like oblahma is a master orator to many (his Barry White cooing imitation does nothing for me) Rush is a master orator to his fan base. I listened to his show the other day but I just can’t stomach him. I may have embraced my ‘conservative’ side more but this man crosses the line for me. The hatred he has for Hillary Clinton is beyond the pale.
agreed
not just Hillary but Bill and ANY one with the slightest HINT of the dreaded L I B E R A L roots.
ewwwwwwwwww just to much LOVE for him I guess
why do we allow these freaks to keep trying to split our nation apart on partisan lines?????
who is rrrrrrreally feeding these demons? And whyyyyy do we keep flipping from ONE HACK PISSING CONTEST to ANOTHER????
gawdddddd it’s just so friggen pathetic to watch
I’m gonna toss my TV OUT the DOOR one of these days!
Rachel Maddow had a moment of integrity the other night and deserves credit–huge credit–for it. No one at No Quarter has even acknowledged the breaking news about this, though many of our best analysts–and, yes, an MSNBC anchor–have given it the attention it deserves. Listen up. This is a HUGE issue.
Must Watch–Seriously!–Video of Rachel Maddow on Obama’s radical new plan of “preventive detention”:
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/05/22/face-it-progs-obamas-a-dud/
ProPublica on Obama’s “Preventive Detention” Problem:
http://www.propublica.org/article/obamas-preventive-detention-problem-breaking-it-down-522
Glenn Greenwald: Facts and Myths About Obama’s “Preventive Detention” Plan:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/22/preventive_detention/index.html
And if you had been listening to Rush on Friday, you would have learned of this before Maddow brought it up. If you read The Washington Post, you would have to thumb through to page A16 or 18. But one wouldn’t learn about where the article was buried if you read the web site
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/21/AR2009052104045.html
That’s one step more than GWB.
Hope you like your Change!
One difference is Rush is an entertainer. You may not like his political views or brand of humor, but he’s not in that category by himself. there are a lot of so-called progressives or dems right there with him being just as vile. Not defending Rush or rape, but for anyone in the news today, unless I hear the entire statement, I’ll reserve judgement. I listened to Rush’s entire interview with Hannity about him wanting “Obama to fail.” And of course we know what the media did with that. Frankly, I agree with Rush on that issue. Premiere networks didn’t sign him to a $400 mil contract because he has no listeners. I’m less interested in headlines and look for, as Paul Harvey (RIP) would say–the rest of the story.
Cannot stand, & will not listen to Lush Rumball. His opinion is completely unimportant to my life.
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