Comments on: D Day in California!

By: Marie

Marie — Wed, 27 May 2009 04:27:53 +0000

Arran
I am not using biology as an “excuse” to discriminate against anyone. On the contrary, it is your argument that fails to hold up to scrutiny. It is the height of arrogance to assume that in the grand scheme of things, the sex of a parent is irrelevant when, since the beginning of mankind, parents have been male and female unless something went “wrong” with the bio parent-child relationship and other arrangements had to be made for the child’s best interest–but the ideal has always been and will always be, for a child to be raised by his or her natural, biological parents.

I understand that gays and lesbians chafe at that fact but the knee jerk arguments like “well you better outlaw divorce” and “you are just a bigot”, and “heterosexual relationships have a 50% divorce rate”, etc. are all red herrings.

By: fred heidrick

fred heidrick — Tue, 26 May 2009 09:56:38 +0000

i believe marriage should be between a man and a woman.

homosexuality is wrong

anal sex is wrong
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certain parts go togeather other parts dont…i believe in nature

By: green-eyed cap

green-eyed cap — Tue, 26 May 2009 06:33:15 +0000

BARF.

By: green-eyed cap

green-eyed cap — Tue, 26 May 2009 06:17:51 +0000

kgirl…

good point. did you CHOOSE to be straight (assuming by your comments that you are)? i mean, was there a point where you said, hmmm… choices, choices… oh, heck, i think i’ll be straight. probably not, i’d guess.

i was just wondering, because i sure didn’t pick my gender, my skin, hair or eye color, and i sure didn’t CHOOSE to be gay. it’s who i’ve been since my earliest memories. it is so incredibly arrogant to me that too many straight people get to DECIDE that the only way we’re born is straight and anything else is a choice and therefore affords no merit.

By: rockrooky

rockrooky — Tue, 26 May 2009 05:12:55 +0000

Yes, let’s vote on slavery again while we are voting on minority rights.

By: arran

arran — Tue, 26 May 2009 03:11:44 +0000

Since we have exchanged only our e-mail addresses and she’s not replying, I can’t get in touch with my gay friend whom I’ve known on another blog for over a year. She has been in a relationship for about 30 years and she and her partner would like to marry.

She said that the Miss California contestant’s answer could have been offered 60 years ago to continue discriminating against blacks; that is, “In my family I was taught that blacks don’t intermingle with whites, and don’t have the same rights as whites, and that society has these racial divisions. Other people may disagree, but that is what I believe.” In other words, I have been taught to discriminate against blacks (gays) and I’ll continue to do so.

Marie, may I suggest that you are using biology as an excuse to discriminate as none of your argument holds up to scrutiny?

By: arran

arran — Tue, 26 May 2009 02:05:06 +0000

With 50% of the hetero marriages breaking up, I wouldn’t tout them so much. Children who have horrendous, violent relationships with their parents want to remain with them. I believe that love between parents and between parents and children binds a family.

I will cite studies of children parented in gay families being as well cared for and happy as those in hetero families. I was reading recently about two gay men who had adopted a little boy and the story warmed my social worker (teacher, counselor, maternal) heart. There would be these adoptions as well that would remove these children from foster care.

In my research, I found the gay population was less than 10%, somewhere around 4% to 8%. How can this small a number of gays accomplish “social engineering”, whatever negativity that would foist on society.

I don’t understand how gay marriages threaten traditional ones. In fact, I might have liked two moms rather than a mother and a little involved in child rearing father that I had.

I can only shake my head at all the uproar. Jeez!

By: Katmoon

Katmoon — Tue, 26 May 2009 01:26:19 +0000

Maybe there will be a higher success rate(more than 50%) in marriages between same sex partners than heterosexual couples; perhaps there is a concern that generates a fear over this combined with a volume of non-married couples having many, many non-supported children which has caused severe problems regarding the “structure” of marriage and parenting… to the tune of millions of tax dollars being spent to hunt down deadbeat parents. We already have the marriage front not doing so well on its own. I imagine it would be stroke material for anyone delving in strict biblical interpretation if same sex marriage succeeded. Kind of like women voting, dontcha know.

By: Sam Copeland

Sam Copeland — Tue, 26 May 2009 01:14:00 +0000

Actually, you made the point in your calculations. As you note there are cases where filing as married filing jointly or as head of house pays more tax than filing as married filing separately or as separate individuals.

This is what is known as the marriage tax that hits couples where both members work in and outside the home.

The problem in your analysis is that it isn’t as ease to switch among the different ways of filing as you suggest. Believe me, if I had a choice, I wouldn’t be filing as married filing jointly.

By: foxyladi14

foxyladi14 — Mon, 25 May 2009 20:08:43 +0000

human rights for all..

By: Benjamin Franklin Berfle

Benjamin Franklin Berfle — Mon, 25 May 2009 13:22:43 +0000

wodiej. I thought in this instance that wodiej was correct.

By: Tom Cat "wodiej" Jefferson Esq

Tom Cat "wodiej" Jefferson Esq — Mon, 25 May 2009 10:32:38 +0000

I understand your point and it will no doubt make some more accepting and tolerant. But a piece of paper has nothing to do w how someone lives their life. Either someone wants to live a life of value, respect and responsibility or they don’t. I don’t care if someone is married or not. Like I said, most of the straight people I know don’t care if someone is gay or not. They care if someone lives a decent life. The people who think a person needs to be married to be worthy are not worthy of my time.

By: Tom Cat "wodiej" Jefferson Esq

Tom Cat "wodiej" Jefferson Esq — Mon, 25 May 2009 10:22:54 +0000

I agree w stodgie.

By: kgirl

kgirl — Mon, 25 May 2009 08:01:54 +0000

My parents have been married for 38 years and i would deny that misery to no one no matter what my religious beliefs are. It is truly a curse from God. Woe be unto all who enter.

By: kgirl

kgirl — Mon, 25 May 2009 07:42:36 +0000

Not on whether i disagree or agree on the topic at hand but this is a dumb comparison because people can simply legally change their name to something other than lisa and marry anyway and people would stop naming their children Lisa. But you can’t stop being gay or black. Being name Lisa is a choice, some other things are not.