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		<title>By: Well, That Ought To Learn Him&#8230; : NO QUARTER</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/06/is-this-really-enough/#comment-1221194</link>
		<dc:creator>Well, That Ought To Learn Him&#8230; : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] men getting away with battering women, threatening them with death, and getting light sentences, or raping minors and getting away with a slap on the wrist. It sounds a message that is loud and clear, one we saw [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] men getting away with battering women, threatening them with death, and getting light sentences, or raping minors and getting away with a slap on the wrist. It sounds a message that is loud and clear, one we saw [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Obscenely NOT Enough : NO QUARTER</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/06/is-this-really-enough/#comment-1218856</link>
		<dc:creator>Obscenely NOT Enough : NO QUARTER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I had a post, &#8220;Is This Really Enough?&#8221; about a case here in SC in which a teacher had sex with a young student. He got all of five [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Oh Please</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/06/is-this-really-enough/#comment-1216043</link>
		<dc:creator>Oh Please</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, tons of 13-16 year old girls are just looking for older guys to boink. You guys live in a cave or what? Teens have sex. A lot of them are looking for guys in their 20&#039;s (usually ones with jobs) so they can HAVE A BABY so they can get out of the ghetto. Welcome to the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, tons of 13-16 year old girls are just looking for older guys to boink. You guys live in a cave or what? Teens have sex. A lot of them are looking for guys in their 20&#8217;s (usually ones with jobs) so they can HAVE A BABY so they can get out of the ghetto. Welcome to the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/06/is-this-really-enough/#comment-1215409</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really.  you don&#039;t. first 3 are news accounts; 4th is from blog that led coverage of story

http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/obama/37952,CST-NWS-sweet29.article
http://www.redcounty.com/sarasota/2008/10/obama-campaigns-for-odinga-in/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct3sZ67Mj0Q

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/kenyas_killing_fields/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really.  you don&#8217;t. first 3 are news accounts; 4th is from blog that led coverage of story</p>
<p><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/obama/37952,CST-NWS-sweet29.article" rel="nofollow">http://www.suntimes.com/special_sections/obama/37952,CST-NWS-sweet29.article</a><br />
<a href="http://www.redcounty.com/sarasota/2008/10/obama-campaigns-for-odinga-in/" rel="nofollow">http://www.redcounty.com/sarasota/2008/10/obama-campaigns-for-odinga-in/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct3sZ67Mj0Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct3sZ67Mj0Q</a></p>
<p><a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/kenyas_killing_fields/" rel="nofollow">http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/kenyas_killing_fields/</a></p>
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		<title>By: PainkillerJayne</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/06/is-this-really-enough/#comment-1215404</link>
		<dc:creator>PainkillerJayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t know much about your candidate you voted for.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080210142005AAtfd8c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t know much about your candidate you voted for.</p>
<p><a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080210142005AAtfd8c" rel="nofollow">http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080210142005AAtfd8c</a></p>
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		<title>By: RKStone</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/06/is-this-really-enough/#comment-1215396</link>
		<dc:creator>RKStone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Barry O. campaigned very actively in 2006 for couz Odinga &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not even close to being to being true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Barry O. campaigned very actively in 2006 for couz Odinga </p></blockquote>
<p>Not even close to being to being true.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/06/is-this-really-enough/#comment-1215388</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>foxylady

I agree with castrating all pedophiles.  But I also think they can be of some relative use to the society whose young they have vilified and murdered by donating (involuntarily) their organs for transplant and being used for medical research.  Surely, Mr. Hussein Obama (our Lord) is not much of a believer in human rights anyway. I am sure he may want to at least give a Speech about it, eh?
Those subhuman monsters should be stoned....but not to death.  Their medical research possibilities are huge....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>foxylady</p>
<p>I agree with castrating all pedophiles.  But I also think they can be of some relative use to the society whose young they have vilified and murdered by donating (involuntarily) their organs for transplant and being used for medical research.  Surely, Mr. Hussein Obama (our Lord) is not much of a believer in human rights anyway. I am sure he may want to at least give a Speech about it, eh?<br />
Those subhuman monsters should be stoned&#8230;.but not to death.  Their medical research possibilities are huge&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Gulielmo

If getting a life means licking the boots of your Messiah, sweetie, you should go to Kenya and talk to Odinga&#039;s Minister of Sex Education.  You must know Jimmy that Barry O. campaigned very actively in 2006 for couz Odinga and he knew damn well that Odinga had signed memo of understanding withy the muslim groups in Kenyan to usher in Sharia Law. It&#039;s guys like you that Obama has in mind in being so &#039;moderate&#039; in uttering his lukewarm feminist rhetoric in such countries that are the beacons of democracy and women&#039;s rights. 

Jimmy - you should get your life in Kenya....your kind of town...Chicago is...Kenya is....

Periodically, Jimmy will feel down and start launchhing attacks against women&#039;s right to speak up about issues to boost his appeal with his Messiah....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Gulielmo</p>
<p>If getting a life means licking the boots of your Messiah, sweetie, you should go to Kenya and talk to Odinga&#8217;s Minister of Sex Education.  You must know Jimmy that Barry O. campaigned very actively in 2006 for couz Odinga and he knew damn well that Odinga had signed memo of understanding withy the muslim groups in Kenyan to usher in Sharia Law. It&#8217;s guys like you that Obama has in mind in being so &#8216;moderate&#8217; in uttering his lukewarm feminist rhetoric in such countries that are the beacons of democracy and women&#8217;s rights. </p>
<p>Jimmy &#8211; you should get your life in Kenya&#8230;.your kind of town&#8230;Chicago is&#8230;Kenya is&#8230;.</p>
<p>Periodically, Jimmy will feel down and start launchhing attacks against women&#8217;s right to speak up about issues to boost his appeal with his Messiah&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/06/is-this-really-enough/#comment-1215379</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who think that a child of 14 is responsible are just as guilty as Mr. Judy the perpetrator/perv in this case.  Their attitude is that there can be &quot;consent&quot; between a child and a treacherous adult who betrays trust. No way, ignoramuses!  

Five years is a joke for a 38-year-old guy who breached this child&#039;s trust.  Obviously, the girl suffers from &quot;Stockholm Syndrome&quot; where she&#039;s identified with her victimizer and &quot;loves&quot; him. No doubt he&#039;s coached her. These perverts are great psychological manipulators and having sex with young teens is like taking candy from a baby.

Why is rape not considered a violent crime? Until recently, I read in PROTECT site, Andrew Vaschss&#039; blog, &quot;incest&quot; perpetrators were not even given a sentence, but told to &quot;go home and take Family therapy&quot;!  Imagine the father and his sexually abused 8-year old daughter (remember l984&#039;s sanitized TV movie &quot;Something About Amelia?&quot;) together on the couch at a therapists&#039; office!  No more. Mr. Vachss (N.Y. crown prosecutor) worked very hard to make sure that incest creeps are given the same treatment ast those who are accused of &quot;rape&quot; with under 11 year olds.  thank God for men like Andrew Vaschss!  They work with these child victims and they know that often the child molesters are known to the victim, in positions of trust, often fathers, uncles, brothers, and are not the trench-coat neighborhood pervs...

I agree this perverts should have received at least 15+ for abusing this girl.  I am a progressive, liberal person but when it comes to children (and Hillary was the ONLY candidate who gave a damn about children&#039;s rights!) I am to the right of Genghis Khan.  I often wonder how far down the rate of child sexual abuse (incest forms 60%) would sink to if we had appropriate sentences for these bastards.  For example, in my utopia, you would not have jails for the pervs. No, you would have HOSPITALS.  Then, their organs would be carefully donated to children and women in desperate need for transplants. We could also use these moral outcasts (only 1% are women) for experimental medical research on cancer, stroke and other diseases, as guinea pigs.

 I bet sexual abuse of children would almost disappear as soon as legislation would be enacted and made known.  Although this may strike many as &#039;barbaric&#039; I disagree.  Is it less barbaric to have our children grow with damaged souls that may never be repaired? Or for society to dish out billions of dollars in terms of therapeutic interventions?

Why, during these unpredictable times when the Savior Obama has clearly shown he approves of practices like Sharia Law (cousin Odinga in Kenya whom he campaigned for!) why not approve this &quot;barbaric&quot; way of eliminating one of the most hideous and socially unacceptable crimes? But I&#039;m afraid he may say he&#039;d do this and do a flip-flop and give the abused girls a hijab and lecture them on morality!  Zeus save us!

Thanbks Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy for an insightful post once again on subject of urgency...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who think that a child of 14 is responsible are just as guilty as Mr. Judy the perpetrator/perv in this case.  Their attitude is that there can be &#8220;consent&#8221; between a child and a treacherous adult who betrays trust. No way, ignoramuses!  </p>
<p>Five years is a joke for a 38-year-old guy who breached this child&#8217;s trust.  Obviously, the girl suffers from &#8220;Stockholm Syndrome&#8221; where she&#8217;s identified with her victimizer and &#8220;loves&#8221; him. No doubt he&#8217;s coached her. These perverts are great psychological manipulators and having sex with young teens is like taking candy from a baby.</p>
<p>Why is rape not considered a violent crime? Until recently, I read in PROTECT site, Andrew Vaschss&#8217; blog, &#8220;incest&#8221; perpetrators were not even given a sentence, but told to &#8220;go home and take Family therapy&#8221;!  Imagine the father and his sexually abused 8-year old daughter (remember l984&#8217;s sanitized TV movie &#8220;Something About Amelia?&#8221;) together on the couch at a therapists&#8217; office!  No more. Mr. Vachss (N.Y. crown prosecutor) worked very hard to make sure that incest creeps are given the same treatment ast those who are accused of &#8220;rape&#8221; with under 11 year olds.  thank God for men like Andrew Vaschss!  They work with these child victims and they know that often the child molesters are known to the victim, in positions of trust, often fathers, uncles, brothers, and are not the trench-coat neighborhood pervs&#8230;</p>
<p>I agree this perverts should have received at least 15+ for abusing this girl.  I am a progressive, liberal person but when it comes to children (and Hillary was the ONLY candidate who gave a damn about children&#8217;s rights!) I am to the right of Genghis Khan.  I often wonder how far down the rate of child sexual abuse (incest forms 60%) would sink to if we had appropriate sentences for these bastards.  For example, in my utopia, you would not have jails for the pervs. No, you would have HOSPITALS.  Then, their organs would be carefully donated to children and women in desperate need for transplants. We could also use these moral outcasts (only 1% are women) for experimental medical research on cancer, stroke and other diseases, as guinea pigs.</p>
<p> I bet sexual abuse of children would almost disappear as soon as legislation would be enacted and made known.  Although this may strike many as &#8216;barbaric&#8217; I disagree.  Is it less barbaric to have our children grow with damaged souls that may never be repaired? Or for society to dish out billions of dollars in terms of therapeutic interventions?</p>
<p>Why, during these unpredictable times when the Savior Obama has clearly shown he approves of practices like Sharia Law (cousin Odinga in Kenya whom he campaigned for!) why not approve this &#8220;barbaric&#8221; way of eliminating one of the most hideous and socially unacceptable crimes? But I&#8217;m afraid he may say he&#8217;d do this and do a flip-flop and give the abused girls a hijab and lecture them on morality!  Zeus save us!</p>
<p>Thanbks Rabble Rouser Rev. Amy for an insightful post once again on subject of urgency&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see - any criticism of Obama, no matter how well founded results in an automatic dismissal of a post with which you were agreeing, and you suggest I get a life?  Wow.  That&#039;s some hubris, right there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see &#8211; any criticism of Obama, no matter how well founded results in an automatic dismissal of a post with which you were agreeing, and you suggest I get a life?  Wow.  That&#8217;s some hubris, right there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/06/is-this-really-enough/#comment-1215202</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 02:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>curl, apparently you missed the part where Judy said he was guilty, and tried to commit suicide.  So, no lynch mob here - just the facts of the case.

I have worked with prisoners who were falsely accused of child molestation (children were asked leading questions).  I am well aware the impact such allegations cause.  But this case was clearly different, as was the one with the teacher and 12 yr old boy - in both cases the adults admitted it.  

And the point remains abt the sentences handed down in this case and the David Watson one.

For an updated version of this post, you can click on my name and go to my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>curl, apparently you missed the part where Judy said he was guilty, and tried to commit suicide.  So, no lynch mob here &#8211; just the facts of the case.</p>
<p>I have worked with prisoners who were falsely accused of child molestation (children were asked leading questions).  I am well aware the impact such allegations cause.  But this case was clearly different, as was the one with the teacher and 12 yr old boy &#8211; in both cases the adults admitted it.  </p>
<p>And the point remains abt the sentences handed down in this case and the David Watson one.</p>
<p>For an updated version of this post, you can click on my name and go to my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 01:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you seem to have 99 problems and a bitch ain&#039;t one, right?

Obama&#039;s primary campaign was sexist in many ways, sweetie.  And his recent speech was so blah on women&#039;s rights as human rights as to be laughable.  He minimized women&#039;s rights by NOT ADDRESSING THE SEVERE SUBJUGATION OF WOMEN IN MANY MUSLIM COUNTRIES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you seem to have 99 problems and a bitch ain&#8217;t one, right?</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s primary campaign was sexist in many ways, sweetie.  And his recent speech was so blah on women&#8217;s rights as human rights as to be laughable.  He minimized women&#8217;s rights by NOT ADDRESSING THE SEVERE SUBJUGATION OF WOMEN IN MANY MUSLIM COUNTRIES.</p>
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		<title>By: James Guglielmino</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Guglielmino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 00:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I was with you until you wrote that the President made a speech that minimumizes women&#039;s rights....blah, blah, blah. You know damn well what Obama&#039;s point was and it had nothing to do with validating the subjugation of women. Your including what Obama said in your blog is realy, REALLY sleazy. Get a life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I was with you until you wrote that the President made a speech that minimumizes women&#8217;s rights&#8230;.blah, blah, blah. You know damn well what Obama&#8217;s point was and it had nothing to do with validating the subjugation of women. Your including what Obama said in your blog is realy, REALLY sleazy. Get a life.</p>
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		<title>By: foxyladi14</title>
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		<dc:creator>foxyladi14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think these guys that abuse young girls should be castrated.</description>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 21:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, read my first comment above.  

Teachers now have to attend seminars on how not to be accused of inappropriate relations with students.  Basically, you can not ever allow yourself to be in a room alone with a student ever.  You are to shun any type of physical contact, even a pat on the back. And email between your self and a student should always be copied to another adult or to the parent. The poor male teachers always have to avoid looking at girls, who fight the dress codes all the time.  

I once caught a sophomore girl working at her desk with her boob hanging out of her &quot;top&quot;.  Luckily I am female and took her out into the hall to tell her and send her to the office for a t-shirt to wear over that thing she called a top.  She had been in two male teachers&#039; classes before mine, but they were afraid to say anything for fear of being accused of making sexual comments.

Our girls&#039; basketball coach had brought photos of his wife and children with him to practice to display them in conspicuous spots in order to discourage the girls on the team from coming on to him.

You don&#039;t hear it in the news because when the fact that the charges are false comes to light, the teachers just want nothing more to do with the legal system that always means they have to suffer weeks of suspicion and time away from their jobs.  

The NEA&#039;s lawyer in my area explained that, though, they are willing to help teachers file counter defamation suits against the girls (usually), most teachers just want their lives back and don&#039;t want to be in the judicial system any more--and, besides, as a teacher you don&#039;t WANT to send a student through that system either.

All this doesn&#039;t counter the idea that there has been a great erosion in our culture&#039;s sense of morality that has resulted in so many people, adults and underage kids, crossing the line.  We do need to make a stronger statement about how this behavior IS a violent crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, read my first comment above.  </p>
<p>Teachers now have to attend seminars on how not to be accused of inappropriate relations with students.  Basically, you can not ever allow yourself to be in a room alone with a student ever.  You are to shun any type of physical contact, even a pat on the back. And email between your self and a student should always be copied to another adult or to the parent. The poor male teachers always have to avoid looking at girls, who fight the dress codes all the time.  </p>
<p>I once caught a sophomore girl working at her desk with her boob hanging out of her &#8220;top&#8221;.  Luckily I am female and took her out into the hall to tell her and send her to the office for a t-shirt to wear over that thing she called a top.  She had been in two male teachers&#8217; classes before mine, but they were afraid to say anything for fear of being accused of making sexual comments.</p>
<p>Our girls&#8217; basketball coach had brought photos of his wife and children with him to practice to display them in conspicuous spots in order to discourage the girls on the team from coming on to him.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t hear it in the news because when the fact that the charges are false comes to light, the teachers just want nothing more to do with the legal system that always means they have to suffer weeks of suspicion and time away from their jobs.  </p>
<p>The NEA&#8217;s lawyer in my area explained that, though, they are willing to help teachers file counter defamation suits against the girls (usually), most teachers just want their lives back and don&#8217;t want to be in the judicial system any more&#8211;and, besides, as a teacher you don&#8217;t WANT to send a student through that system either.</p>
<p>All this doesn&#8217;t counter the idea that there has been a great erosion in our culture&#8217;s sense of morality that has resulted in so many people, adults and underage kids, crossing the line.  We do need to make a stronger statement about how this behavior IS a violent crime.</p>
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