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The GOP: Past, Present, and Future

The Republicans really screwed the pooch by allowing the Neo-Cons to take over their party. At this point in time, the mainstream media is promoting the meme that the Republican Party is dead, or dying. That’s a huge load of crap. As always happens in the history of politics, the pendulum swings to the left and the right in equal measure, each in its own time.

Many of the old guardians of America’s wealth, morality, and power, as many Republicans like to think of themselves, are deep in despair. These super-patriotic church-goers, the tight-fisted pinch-pennies who believe they are the strict parent-figures of our ignorant masses, are so ashamed of their party now, they are loathe to confess to being members of the Party of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Who can blame them?

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t have any special love for the GOP. They rallied behind the Neo-Conservatives and allowed them to take over the party. I guess it’s kind of like how the Democratic Party has now been taken over by the “Progressives.” In both of these take-overs, the passive centrists of each party blindly followed as groups of radical usurpers took over.

But I do kind of feel sorry for traditional Republicans. I empathize with their struggle against the “new conservatives” as they try to redefine themselves and get back to their conservative roots. In a sense, the Republican Party was taken over by former Democrats. Ironically, one of their greatest heros was a former Democrat, turned conservative Republican: Ronald Reagan.

We generally associate the Neo-Con philosophy with the concepts of a strong US military dedicated to spreading democracy to the oppressed countries of the world. Deposing despots is their way of characterizing it. In other words, meddling in the internal affairs of sovereign nations to promote US interests abroad.

The neoconservatives are sometimes thought of as ultra-conservative, which is definitely not true, but they have that stigma because of their zealotry. Like a newly-quit ex-smoker or a newly-saved “born again” Christian, they exude more enthusiasm for their new religion than those who were raised in it.

We now tend to associate conservative Republicans with being pro-war (might makes right), pro-religion (Judeo-Christian only), and pro-business. By contrast, they are also seen to be anti-abortion, anti-immigrant, anti-taxes, and anti-homosexual. Conservatism wants to preserve the old traditions. By some standards, they think the world has been going downhill since The Beatles came along.

To better understand the evolution of the Republicans, let’s go back to the beginning and work our way forward to the future.

Early Republicans

Thomas Jefferson, third president, founded the Democratic-Republican party, along with James Madison and like-minded cohorts. They arose in opposition to the Federalist Party, which was founded a year earlier by Alexander Hamilton, George Washington’s sycophant. Washington himself belonged to no party, but favored the policies of Hamilton. John Adams was the only president elected as a Federalist.

From Wikipedia:

Jeffersonian purists, or “Old Republican” wing of the party, led by Jefferson, John Randolph of Roanoke, William H. Crawford and Nathaniel Macon, favored low tariffs, states’ rights, strict construction of the Constitution and reduced spending. It opposed a standing army. The “National Republicans,” led by Henry Clay, John Quincy Adams and John C. Calhoun, eventually favored higher tariffs, a stronger national defense, and “internal improvements” (public works projects). After the Federalist Party broke up in 1815, many former members joined the D-R’s nationalist faction.

The party’s elected presidents were Thomas Jefferson (1800 and 1804), James Madison (1808 and 1812), and James Monroe (1816 and 1820). The party dominated Congress and most state governments; it was weakest in New England. William H. Crawford was the party’s last presidential nominee in 1824. At this time, the party broke up into several factions. One faction, led by Andrew Jackson, would become the modern Democratic Party. Another faction, led by Adams and Clay, was known as the National Republicans. This group evolved into the Whig Party.

So the Whigs were the primary opposition to the Democratic Party until the creation of the Republican Party, which basically coincided with the break-up of the Whigs. They were in many ways the forerunners of the Republican Party, although the political positions these parties took have evolved and changed over the years.

Another excerpt from Wikipedia:

The Whig Party was a political party of the United States during the era of Jacksonian democracy. Considered integral to the Second Party System and operating from 1833 to 1856, the party was formed in opposition to the policies of President Andrew Jackson and the Democratic Party. In particular, the Whigs supported the supremacy of Congress over the executive branch and favored a program of modernization and economic protectionism. This name was chosen to echo the American Whigs of 1776, who fought for independence, and because “Whig” was then a widely recognized label of choice for people who saw themselves as opposing autocratic rule. The Whig Party counted among its members such national political luminaries as Daniel Webster, William Henry Harrison, and their preeminent leader, Henry Clay of Kentucky. In addition to Harrison, the Whig Party also counted four war heroes among its ranks, including Generals Zachary Taylor and Winfield Scott. Abraham Lincoln was a Whig leader in frontier Illinois.

In its over two decades of existence, the Whig Party saw two of its candidates, Harrison and Taylor, elected president. Both, however, died in office. John Tyler became president after Harrison’s death, but was expelled from the party. Millard Fillmore, who became president after Taylor’s death, was the last Whig to hold the nation’s highest office.

The party was ultimately destroyed by the question of whether to allow the expansion of slavery to the territories. With deep fissures in the party on this question, the anti-slavery faction successfully prevented the nomination of its own incumbent President Fillmore in the 1852 presidential election; instead, the party nominated General Winfield Scott, who was soundly defeated. Its leaders quit politics (as Lincoln did temporarily) or changed parties. The voter base defected to the Republican Party, various coalition parties in some states, and to the Democratic Party. By the 1856 presidential election, the party had lost its ability to maintain a national coalition of effective state parties and endorsed Millard Fillmore, now of the American Party, at its last national convention.

Abraham Lincoln was, famously, the first president elected as a Republican. However, the party was never a solid coalition, with internal factions quarreling over economic issues, which of course included post-slavery Reconstruction issues. The early Republicans did have a good run of presidents, including Ulysses Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, and the less-luminary presidents William McKinley, William Howard Taft, Calvin Coolidge, and Herbert Hoover (who presided over the beginning of Great Depression, starting in 1929).

Post-Depression Republicans

The Depression set the stage for Franklin Roosevelt, succeeded by Harry Truman, for a toal of 16 years of Democratic presidents. Dwight Eisenhower, the 5-star general and Supreme Allied Commander during World War II, was actively courted by both the Democrats and the Republicans to run for president in 1948, but he declined. In 1952, he was drafted by the Republican party to run against Democratic Senator Robert Taft, whose platform was non-intervention in Korea and elsewhere.

Eisenhower was a decent president. He was conservative and wise, but never the smooth politician. He popularized martinis and golf. The earliest model of modern Republicanism, post-Depression, he was responsible for the Interstate Highway System of the US. He continued Roosevelt’s New Deal policies for the most part, especially Social Security, which he expanded. He presided over the Cold War with the USSR, proclaiming the Eisenhower Doctrine that the US would counter Soviet aggression anywhere in the world. Eisenhower advanced the Civil Rights acts of 1957 and 1960, signing each into law, making them the first real legislation to improve Civil Rights since the Reconstruction.

The main thing I remember about Eisenhower was his farewell address in 1961, cited here again from Wikipedia:

On January 17, 1961, Eisenhower gave his final televised Address to the Nation from the Oval Office. In his farewell speech to the nation, Eisenhower raised the issue of the Cold War and role of the U.S. armed forces. He described the Cold War saying: “We face a hostile ideology global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose and insidious in method…” and warned about what he saw as unjustified government spending proposals and continued with a warning that “we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex… Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.”

After Eisenhower was succeeded by Democrats John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, the next Republican president was Richard Nixon, who had been Eisenhower’s Vice President, but was no favorite of Ike or the American public to succeed Eisenhower in 1960. Nixon rebounded in 1968 after Johnson announced he would not seek re-election. Nixon promised stability in the restive times of the war in Viet Nam, the counter-culture, and race riots. He believed he spoke for the “Silent Majority” of conservative Americans.

Another major turning point in the modern history of the Republican Party was the migration of the Conservative Southern Democrats, or Dixiecrats, to the Republican Party starting in 1964 and peaking in 1972. When LBJ championed the cause of Civil Rights, he rankled many of these southern Good Ole Boys to the point they switched parties.

The so-called “Southern Strategy” of the GOP (Good Ole Politicos) began in earnest during the 1964 election between LBJ and Barry Goldwater (who was defeated in a landslide). The 1968 election, sans Johnson, saw George Wallace, governor of Alabama, drawing most of the southern states, mostly on the basis of white southern resentment of Civil Rights legislation being forced upon them. Nixon seized on the strategy of wooing the Dixiecrats in the 1972 election, winning re-election easily over George McGovern. This collision of increasing Democratic liberalism and Republicans winning converts among white southern Democrats changed the political landscape for Republicans by bolstering their ranks with these disaffected southern Democrats.

The Republicans welcomed them with open arms because it added to their political strength. But it also helped to brand the GOP as the party of opposition to civil rights, even though there were few issues in the public eye that would make this blatantly obvious.

Nixon was rather liberal, as Republican’s go, but he was kind of nuts; certainly paranoid and a bit sociopathic. His greatest achievement was opening relations with Communist China. He eventually found a way to end the war in Viet Nam, after first escalating it. He  supported the Equal Rights Amendment to ensure equal treatment under the law for women, a law that was first championed by the Republicans in 1944, but opposed by Democrats of that time because of the resistance of Organized Labor. The Democrats didn’t get on board with the ERA until 1972, during Nixon’s re-election campaign. All in all, Nixon wasn’t a terrible president, and as a standard-bearer for the Republican Party, he was not very conservative, and was supportive of advancing the rights of all citizens. In today’s world, he’d be a Centrist Democrat with his policies.

Of course, Nixon’s paranoia was his undoing, causing him to become so fearful of his “enemies” that he became obsessive and eventually criminal in his efforts to thwart those on his “Enemies List.” His “alleged” illegal actions included (infamously) authorizing the break-in at the Democratic National Headquarters housed in the Watergate Office Complex. This led to impeachment hearings and criminal investigations. Nixon eventually resigned the office of the President, the only president to do so, to avoid being impeached.

Nixon was succeeded by Gerald Ford, the only POTUS never elected President. Having succeeded Nixon’s disgraced Vice President, Spiro Agnew, with the approval of Congress, Ford was a place-keeper president. He was only in office for 2 years. Ford pardoned Nixon, and to balance that act, he declared an amnesty for Viet Nam era draft dodgers. Other than that, most of Ford’s presidency was spent trying to heal the nation after the Watergate Scandal, and economic issues.

Democrat Jimmy Carter defeated Ford’s only run for election as POTUS, and Carter inherited a terrible economy, which he managed to make more terrible. He was a softy as a Commander in Chief, and was slow to use US military might in general. The Iranian Revolution occurred in 1979 on Carter’s watch. The Shah of Iran fled his own country under duress, with strikes and demostrations turning into street war against the Shah’s pro-West forces. The Ayatollah Khomeini returned from exile to a hero’s welcome and was named Supreme Leader. Carter was powerless to intervene. During the revolution, 52 Americans were kidnapped and held hostage by Iranian Islamists, who held them in captivity for over a year, thus cementing the career of Ted Koppel and the election of Ronald Reagan.

Reagan was a trip. Originally a Democrat (until 1962) and a B-movie actor from 1937 to 1964, he became president of the Screen Actors Guild, then ran for governor of California, winning the office in 1966. He was an early admirer of FDR’s New Deal policies, but drifted toward conservatism because of his belief in small government and low taxes. His adamant opposition to Communism led him to outspend the Soviets in an arms race they couldn’t keep up with. This led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. His military spending led to huge budget deficits, which were continued under his Vice President and successor, George H.W. Bush, father of Dubya.

The Rise of the Neo-Conservatives

According to Wikipedia: The term neoconservative, first coined at least as early as 1921, was used at one time as a criticism against liberals who had “moved to the right.”

The “new conservatives” had their roots in liberal traditions of the mid 20th century, but were alienated by the New Left’s extreme liberalism, and the “counter culture” of the 60s and 70s. As the Democratic Party became more closely associated with a “nanny state” and opposed to military operations, the former liberals, now new conservatives, began to throw their support to Republicans, beginning with Richard Nixon.

Neoconservatives don’t really have a problem with the social reforms of the Democrats; they are not against “welfare state” programs in general.  Where they differ from regular conservatives and Democrats is their world view, largely as outlined by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) in their Statement of Principles:

  • we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
  • we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
  • we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; [and]
  • we need to accept responsibility for America’s unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

In January 2009, at the close of President George W. Bush’s second term in office, Jonathan Clarke, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Council for Ethics in International Affairs, proposed the following as the “main characteristics of neoconservatism”:

  • “a tendency to see the world in binary good/evil terms
  • low tolerance for diplomacy
  • readiness to use military force
  • emphasis on US unilateral action
  • disdain for multilateral organizations
  • focus on the Middle East”.

Although some political analysts consider Reagan the first Neo-Con president, his brand of conservatism is more old school, Barry Goldwater conservatism. He was not a Neo-Con in the sense we now know the term. The Reagan Administration became a breeding ground, however, for the true Neo-Cons of the first and second Bush Administrations. Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld were instrumental in turning the Reagan White House into a whelping box for the Neo-Cons, although it’s difficult to see much evidence of their influence prior to the 9/11 attacks.

I seriously doubt that the Republicans can permanently shake off the Neo-Con faction within their ranks. GW Bush defined himself, and Neo-Conservatism by extension, with the catch-phrase “compassionate Conservatism.” This sounded appealing to many people. Centrist voters counted on the conservatives to hold the line on the budget deficits, except for military spending, but disliked the conservative view of opposing civil rights and the general welfare of the people. By Bush’s definition, there would be conservative principles guiding his administration, but not at the expense of programs that help people. Sounded good in theory. Very centrist, in fact. Had the 9/11 attacks not occurred, what would the Bush years have been like? I’d bet he’d still have found an excuse to topple Hussein.

The Future of the GOP

As an independent centrist, I don’t have any favorites on the Republican side, with the exception of John McCain. I kind of liked Bob Dole, especially after he retired. His wife, Elizabeth Dole, is charming and capable, so I like her. There are times I think Newt Gingrich makes a lot of sense, but other times I am repulsed by him. There were no front-runners in the last GOP field of presidential candidates that appealed to me, except McCain.

Regardless of who will be the leaders of the GOP in the near future, I am totally confident that they will remain as the only alternative to the Democratic Party, if for no other reason than that they have so much money behind them. The pendulum of our 2-party system swings one way, then the other.

For example: when Bill Clinton was elected in 1992, after 12 years of Republican presidents, he was immediately confronted with Republican opposition to his policies. This led to the rise of Newt Gingrich and his Contract With America in the mid-term elections of 1994, when Republican gains in the House of Representatives made way for him to become Speaker of the House. Prior to that, the Democrats had controlled the House for 40 years.

As for future GOP presidential aspirants, there are Republicans in Congress, Republican governors, and I’m sure there are still some Republican B-movie actors with potential. Now that Obama has broken with the “tradition” of presidents being natural born citizens, as some believe, Arnold Schwarzenegger may get his bite at the apple.

There are female Republican leaders too, as many now know thanks to Sarah Palin. Somewhere in the US right now, Republican strategists are debating the merits of these various GOP politicians, and they will eventually select their next candidate. I wouldn’t look for reruns like Mitt Romney or Rudy Giuliani, nor Sarah Palin for that matter. It will be a new rising star, probably someone who will flex their muscles during the mid-term elections, vying for the top spot. Most likely it will be another governor, and possibly someone we’ve barely noticed.

Will the Republicans try to return to their former strengths to counter the “Progressive” Obama administration? Or will they aim for the center to draw converts? It’s a little hard to imagine them sticking with their old stand-by traditions of evangelicals and millionaires. I suspect the economy will be their primary weapon of choice, despite the runaway deficits incurred during the Bush/Cheney years while Republicans ruled both house of Congress. I think after Obama and the “new” Democrats get through with this economy, it will be fairly easy for the Republicans to make a case for fiscal restraint and responsibility.

What do you think the Republicans will offer as their next platform?

And who will carry the torch for Greedy Oppressive Party?

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Comment by NYSmike | 2009-06-08 12:51:32

Too far right and too far left is not a good thing! And now, those dem centrists are being labeled blue-dogs by the bots. What goes around will surely come around again and again.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 15:09:01

I’ll take the blue-dog label with pride as I always was one until I left the party, which is too bad for the Democrats because they lost a lot of us this time around (and most will never come back). The southern Democrats, unlike the Obamacrats, at least had the interests of their constituents at heart.

 
 

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 13:15:31

Steve_in_KC: Thanks for the well-written piece. I agree with you on most points. That being said, Neocons are/were neither new nor conservative. Greed and amassing of power has been around for millennia and that is what they represented, irrespective of their claims to the contrary. In addition to the bulleted list above, I would that they were corporatists in that they saw nothing wrong with unbridled capitalism of the dog-eat-dog variety (never mind that the actual “quality” of such an entity’s product was abysmal) and saw government regulations as a means to facilitate their cause and regulators as facilitators. I know, I have worked for a very large government contractor for 18 years and see the results. I don’t see any difference with the Obamacrats and That One, either, except that the money is only slightly more tightly controlled in terms of which account is used for what charge, which amounts to simple bean shuffling–enormous sums are being spent.

Really, the last conservative true to the cause was Barry Goldwater, who suffered no fool, including such right-wing nut-jobs as Jerry Falwell. While a Republican, he was no party shill and I could certainly vote for someone like him. Since his kind are gone, the Republican party needs to tell me what they will do for me, a middle-class centrist who is part of those who are footing the bill for all this profligate spending, before I would ever consider joining them again. Fiscal problems amount to only the tip of the iceberg.

I am tired of corporate and/or individual welfare in any form; I am tired of ceaseless overseas conflicts resulting from dogmatic or knee-jerk responses to unique problems; I am tired of the export of work overseas while the same companies who export these jobs are protected by this government while paying little or no taxes; I am tired of wedge issues being used to divert attention from the real problems; I am tired of all the lies.

What I want these idiot politicians and those alleged experts in all these areas to do is to stop pissing on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

Comment by tek | 2009-06-08 15:23:17

Ferdie: I agree with your comment. Now, how do we get a decent government that isn’t corrupted by all the corrupt players who are already in D. C.? That is the question.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 15:38:09

tek:

Honestly, I don’t know. My wife has cultivated some friends in the local Republican party but they are still into the Bush model, which is the last thing I would accept. I try working through relations, which doesn’t work, either, as they are all Obamabots. I think my only hope is to volunteer for either a Republican who is moderate or an Independent. I am running out of options, though, with the exception of making some small attempt at convincing people via email and/or commentary on NQ. Do you have a solution–I would be interested in hearing it.

Ferd.

 
 

Comment by Steve_in_KC | 2009-06-08 18:50:30

Ferd, thanks for your comments and your contributions to this discussion.

I was somewhat surprised in researching this piece to learn the Neo-Cons were derived from the same gene pool as the old Conservative Democrats. It’s kind of hard to wrap one’s mind around some of the convoluted twists and turns these political philosophies take in the course of a few decades.

I guess the point I was trying to make in my observations was that if you look back into the history of the political evolutions of the major parties, the lines are often blurry. The politicos who are not feathering their own nests are few and far between. If the political climate calls for liberalism, both parties lean that way, then they lean conservative when the voters want less liberalism. It’s all about getting elected and re-elected so they can use the power for the benefit of themselves and their friends. And that applies to both parties equally, IMO.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 19:13:23

I agree. I suppose my main contention was with the neo and con part being mixed together as a part of some unholy “new” and “conservative” way. I am conservative on many issues, but not in the neocon mold. I find them to be interlopers on the name in that they claim a mantle to which they are not entitled by deciding who should be allowed to marry and serve our country and who should be disallowed. They also find no problem with corporate welfare but are opposed to individual welfare. They have no problem with fixing the rules for conglomerates but not for the common man. The Constitution’s Preamble begins with, “We the People” and not “We the Corporations” or “We, the Republicans”, or “We, the Religious Right”. As a Blue-Dog former Democrat, I rightfully claim the conservative mantle and allow it for those Republicans like Goldwater, who believed in smaller government and the Constitution–not one that is beholden to corporate America, the Religious Right, or card-holding members of the Republican party. The term people means literally just that.

 
 
 

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 13:17:53

Can an administrator kindly extricate my comment from the thrasher? It might be advantageous to use the stun setting rather than the kill setting.

 

Comment by marktarheel | 2009-06-08 13:23:04

the greedy oppressive party?….oh you mean the obama administration….I get it

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 13:41:41

Both sides. They are two sides of the same coin. It is all in whose ox is being gored at any point in time. This goes way beyond dogma.

Comment by ces | 2009-06-08 14:18:40

Ferd, I agree. It’s the “This side or That side” mentality the US political environment has become (for some time) is what’s really the problem.

‘We don’t like oBlunder, so that must leave me to be a Republican….right? Right?’

The leadership in both sides are the same, they want the same thing, and do most of the same things…they just go about using different wedge issues.

So, the advertising of the wedge issues is really the only thing that changes in Washington.

It’s going to take someone truly inspiring to make REAL changes on the Hill and in the Beltway. None of the clowns we’ve elected “get it.”

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 15:05:02

ces, I am four-square on your side, again. I am so sick and tired of silly-ass labels and even sillier-ass party affiliation. I don’t like That One and I didn’t like Chimpy McFlightsuit, either. I am a radical centrist who will take on any extremist in my midst. The whole thing boils down to what works. Did Bush’s Administration work for anything of substance which benefited all? Hell no. Will the Administration of That One? Hell No. Unlike the poseurs who state their party is the best, I say I want the best, irrespective OF PARTY.

I want this partisan bullshit to stop. If one is going to be a partisan hack, then they ought to come out and say that they are for party first and stop wrapping themselves in the American Flag. I call bullshit.

Thanks for backing me up, ces.

Ferd.

 
 
 

Comment by tek | 2009-06-08 15:24:31

Mark: if you believe the Republicans are not a party of greed and oppression, you need therapy.

 
 

Comment by hokma | 2009-06-08 13:26:23

“will remain as the only alternative to the Democratic Party, if for no other reason than that they have so much money behind them”

According to a Pew Research Poll most Americans still lean right. In fact 38% state they are conservative while 19% state they are liberal. It is the reason why Republican presidents have been president 36 out of 56 years until Obama.

There has always been some shifting to the left and right to some degree over the course of American history.

It is worth noting that not too long ago the press was declaring the end of the Democratic Party until they rebounded.

There is also an underlying principle with each political party. Democrats since FDR have stood for government reliance, while Republicans stood for self-reliance. That is what has driven their policies over the years.

Republicans are already rebounding for the same reason Democrats rebounded – the opposing party screwing up or being blamed for negative events. Also the fortunes of Democrats are directly tied to the fortunes of Obama and Pelosi/Reid. Obama has so far donea good job of propping himself up at the expense of all of us while Dick Cheney is now more popular than Nancy Pelosi.

It is likely that Obama’s actions concerning the economy is/will result in increasing inflation and another downturn – at least a very prolonged recession. It appears he is looking to increased taxes in a myriad of ways. All this will result in the loss of Democratic power at the state level and in the House of Representatives in 2 years. It will then be up to Republicans to manage that turn around effectively or secure themselves as a perpetual minority.

Comment by IndianaDem | 2009-06-08 17:17:25

Here’s the problem with such polls: When they ask people to state whether they’re liberal or conservative they generally don’t define the terms. This makes it difficult to know how their answers might translate into republican or democratic votes.

The GOP is allowing far-right neocons (those of the PNAC, Rush Limbaugh stripe) to define “conservative” for the entire party. When those polled identify themselves as conservative, that isn’t what many self-identified conservatives actually have in mind.

Comment by hokma | 2009-06-08 17:48:44

Agree. But the influence of Limbaugh and the far right is becoming less important as it has been over the past several years during the party’s decline.

 

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2009-06-08 17:49:04

I agree, Indiana. The polls are deceiving because despite what the GOP claims–most Americans lean right–the polls do not measure beneath the surface.

For instance, I’m a fiscal conservative and a gun owner but a liberal on most social issues. And right now? I don’t have a Party affiliation after voting as a Dem all my life. The “new” Democratic Party does not represent me. In fact, on most Dem sites now I’m told repeatedly I am not and probably never was a Democrat.

Hah! Check my voting record.

But I’m also not a Republican, not the Republican Party that gave us GW & Company. The Republicans will have to change their tune, far from the Religious Right and Neo-con influence to ever seduce me.

I voted for McCain not because he was a Republican but because I thought [and still think] he’s an honorable man, who had something to bring to the table and would stand up to the bad winds that have been blowing for over a decade.

Instead, we ended up with a mirage in the WH. If the Republicans are going to save the country, they have a hell of a lot of work to do. And that means dumping the Rush Limbaugh types, who only stand and speak for their own self interests.

 
 
 

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2009-06-08 13:46:27

What really is encouraging to me is all the Republican women taking up the mantle from the men.

The republican party will become the party of fairness , equal opportunity and individualism.

The democrats have shown that they hate women.

The fact that Playboy is doing hit pieces on Republican women is a sign that they see the threat.

This big Irish man is happy to see women coming to the forefront along with the daughters such as Gingrich and Liz Cheney.

The Republicans today represent my values,my history,my heritage and my business interests.

I guess you can say…They represent me!

Comment by hokma | 2009-06-08 14:21:23

“What really is encouraging to me is all the Republican women taking up the mantle from the men.”

“Whether women are better than men I cannot say – but they are certainly no worse.”
– - Golda Meir

 
 

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 13:49:22

I have an idea. Instead of thinking what is best for the prospects of the party (any f-ing party), why not try something unique and extraordinary: Actually think about what is best for the country. Tell us what the real problems are, how they might affect us in the long-run; how they can be repaired or mitigated, what the cost will be-low to high, and how we might avoid these same problems in the future.

Oh, silly me, neither party can do anything that forthright and simple as the truth would set us free from their hold on us.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 22:45:22

And I get nary a response. This is entirely atypical of NQ. I am perplexed.

 
 

Comment by ame | 2009-06-08 13:50:34

Very nice article Steve. Personally, I believe that the Republicans have a very good chance for a recovery.

Obama is pushing moderates like me to take a second look at the Republicans. Of course, many of the politicians running the country (left and right) are “career politicians” and are only out for themselves. Arlen Spector is a great example of this. Regardless, I can NOW relate to Republicans more than I can relate to Democrats.

Fiscal Responsibility is my main politcal issue; I’m fiscally responsible when it comes to my own finances and I expect the government to be fiscally responsible too. Also, I don’t like the idea of higher taxes and I do believe that EVERYONE will see higher taxes in some form or other, even though the rhetoric coming from the WH says something else.

Comment by Steve_in_KC | 2009-06-08 18:56:08

Thanks, Ame. I too believe the Republicans will come back with fiscal responsibility as their main appeal, but they are going to have to eat some crow first, having let the Bush Gang spend our grandchilden’s future. But now that the Obama Gang has spent our great-great-grandchildren’s future in the first 150 days of BO’s administration, I think he gives the Republican’s something to work with.

Comment by stodgie | 2009-06-08 22:26:10

steve, i think that is why the dims are so anxious to run their prize plans through so quickly. they know their time is limited because of their actions. at least the smarter ones do.

thanks for your comments to me about the democrats turning republican.

 
 
 

Comment by marktarheel | 2009-06-08 13:54:56

this is what is good for the country……republicans take at least 40 seats back from the democrats in 2010….at least they can slow down the obama plan of socializing the united states…..that is certainly not good for anyone….I thought democrats believed in checks and balances?….but I guess that only applies when republicans are in power….what hypocrits..

 

Comment by zaine_ridling | 2009-06-08 13:55:14

Wow, fantastic analysis and history, Steve_in_KC! And you’re right: one thing Aristotle taught us is that human action tends to go from one extreme to its opposite, often with blinding speed. That same Aristotle held that the trick is to avoid extremes and live a life based on temperance and moderation.

Asking a politician or the media to practice those two virtues? Forgetaboutit!

Comment by marktarheel | 2009-06-08 13:57:23

zaine….I agree. where is the far left’s tolerence of anyone who doesnt agree with them?…they have zero tolerence for any and all critics

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 15:55:46

Rather like the neocons, wouldn’t you say, markie?

 
 
 

Comment by stodgie | 2009-06-08 13:59:57

hmmm, what to say! i continue to be dumbfounded at the past 10 years of clueless politicans bent on their short term agenda with no concern for the average american. i fear pelois as much or more than i feared bush. now that is saying something. i signed petitions. i was a member of daily kuss and other blog site all the while praying for the day when democrats would take charge. well here we are and i rue the day they did. hapless, hopeless, and anything but hip describes the dims to me.

the repubs? well they have a chance to reinvent themselves. i hope they listen to the people because that is the only way for them.

 

Comment by stodgie | 2009-06-08 14:04:05

i want to point out one thing that occurs to me. the neo cons originally came from the democratic party and i can see where they just might migrate back. we are due for a possible attack! and obama is certainly not a strong personality much like bush in that way open to direction and mallable.

Comment by ame | 2009-06-08 15:13:35

Some blogs (including this one) have stated that Kissinger is a neo-con.

See youtube link below.

Comment by ame | 2009-06-08 15:16:22

 
 

Comment by tek | 2009-06-08 15:28:47

The neo-cons originally came from the Democratic Party? That’s just nuts. Neo Con=reinvention of the original Robber Barons who ruled the U. S. in the Gilded Age–Republicans all.

Facism is a uniquely Republican idea.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 15:47:59

You are spot on. Anyone who says neocons were former Democrats is a candidate for the looney bin. Neocons took some of their bullshit from Kissinger and the rest from the Richard Craniums such as that bonehead, David Stockman, in the Reagan Administration, who believed in trickle-down economics.

That trickle-down theory was, in essence, golden showers for the middle class and the poor. And to make it even more absurd, David Stockman himself later said it was a theory that did not work in practice. So the neocons were pushing a theory that was said to be unworkable by the man who invented it.

How quaint of those to say real Democrats championed the neocon bullshit. I mean, really. LMAO.

Comment by stodgie | 2009-06-08 19:41:13

ferd, i am not a candidate for the loonie bend. i don’t use that type of language with you. if you look back at history you will see some did move from the democratic party to the repubs. and i didn’t say dems championed it. please don’t put words in my mouth. debate all you like but take the insults and throw them out. that is so below your character, sir.

Comment by stodgie | 2009-06-08 20:00:39

for those who scoffed at my comment about democrats who migrated to the republican party or at the very least a close association, please read up on richard perle, irving kristol, and jean kirkpatrick. both perle and wolfowitz both were close to scoop jackson. the democratic party had a different personality before johnson and viet nam. the far left gained more power. that along with johnson sent a number toward the republican party. some may have forgotten that reagan and heston were both democrats at one time.

please do your homework and don’t start off slamming posters on here. i am so daxx tired of it.

Comment by Steve_in_KC | 2009-06-08 20:45:44

stodgie, I agree with your comments about Scoop Jackson, et al. The research I presented clearly shows that the original neoconservatives were Democrats at one time. If they had been Republicans all along, they wouldn’t really be “Neo” conservatives, would they? :)

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 23:25:35

But Scoop Jackson didn’t break the bank and wasn’t a part of the theft. Your analysis is short. Do the history and the math and then decide. You will find that it wasn’t the democrats but the republicans and that it started with Reagan.

So long.

 
 
 

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 23:03:51

ferd, i am not a candidate for the loonie bend. i don’t use that type of language with you. if you look back at history you will see some did move from the democratic party to the repubs. and i didn’t say dems championed it. please don’t put words in my mouth. debate all you like but take the insults and throw them out. that is so below your character, sir.

Jesus. I was replying to tek.

I almost feel as if I should just chuck NQ in toto. I am tired of being taken to task for being outspoken by those who take my comments out of context.

This isn’t the first someone has taken me to task for some alleged impropriety or offense –I’m either anti-south (even though I’m an Okie by birth and live in Tennessee or too liberal or too conservative). There are bozos who think my use of “Goober” makes me anti-south. Christ. If I don’t toe the anti-Obama line to a tee, I’m a marxist, and if I don’t draw my pistol every time I post, then I’m just not a real conservative.

Fuck all of you who think this shit.

I want no part of this and I am done. I have battled your bots for you when you had no words and I did it without complaining.

Really, fuck this.

Comment by stodgie | 2009-06-08 23:43:35

ferd, i am not a bot. and i don’t use the language on here you do lately. you agreed with tek who disagreed with me. ie you said it based on my post. if you don’t want to own it, fine, don’t.be well and goodbye to you also.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by ame | 2009-06-08 15:09:06

…here’s a video of Henry Kissinger (a Republican) discussing his SUPPORT for Obama and “a new world order”

Anymore, it’s difficult to tell who’s who and what agenda they support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3BqK-9ZiU

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 15:14:08

HK is old news; I lost respect for him when he prayed with Nixon. In retrospect, Nixon was OK but he was a bit paranoid and surrounded himself with a group of true goofballs, including Kissinger, who may have set in motion what we are confronting today. I could go on but the list would be enormous.

The “New World Order” is the old world order–fiefdoms in every county of every state.

Comment by ame | 2009-06-08 15:19:41

Yes, and he supports Obama. What does that say about Obama?

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 15:32:00

I was commenting about HK. Draw your own conclusions.

Comment by ame | 2009-06-08 23:09:24

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by tek | 2009-06-08 15:20:58

Steve: it’s exactly like the Democrats being taken over by the looney left. Maybe after the Obama Democrats self-destruct we can get a new, workable party that cares about representative government and a high quality of life society, if there’s anything left of the United States by then.

Comment by Steve_in_KC | 2009-06-08 21:00:11

tek, you make a valid point. The history I researched showed that political parties go through major shake-ups from time to time, usually after a particularly embarrassing episode or era has cast them in a bad light. Witness the change from the Kennedy/Johnson era of Viet Nam, followed by Carter the pacifist and Clinton the centrist on the Democratic side.

Bill Clinton’s years brought sustained growth and prosperity, although he largely lucked out with the real estate and dotcom bubbles. So in 2000, the Republicans backed Bush because his father had been popular except for the economy, which Clinton fixed, so with that hurdle out of the way, Dubya seemed like a safe bet. Good economy, and no wars of any significance (after Clinton got us out of Bush Senior’s Somalia fiasco).

My point is that the Republicans backed off the ultra-conservative views of previous GOP candidates by putting in a different faction of the party. They backed off the evangelicals and hot-button issues by putting forth a candidate who promised to be a compassionate conservative. Unfortunately, I don’t think they knew how corrupt Cheney was, and he was the real power of Dubya’s first term.

Now that the Democrats have gone ballistically liberal, with the consequences we are only beginning to fathom, the Republicans will come back with promises of fiscal solutions, and hopefully backing off the happy warrior stuff. In turn, I hope the Democrats swing back to the center, ideally with Hillary at the helm.

 
 

Comment by Ellen D | 2009-06-08 15:34:43

That was great – history until it got to where I came in and very much the way I remembered it after that.

But as to your prediction:

Now that Obama has broken with the “tradition” of presidents being natural born citizens, as some believe, Arnold Schwarzenegger may get his bite at the apple.

I hope your look into the future isn’t as accurate as your assessment of the past

Comment by Ellen D | 2009-06-08 15:35:45

Whoops wrong block quote.

 
 

Comment by o | 2009-06-08 15:40:49

Beltway GOP Shows Contempt for Grassroots; Protest Tonight’s Event (Supporting Palin)

http://www.conservatives4palin.com/2009/06/beltway-gop-shows-contempt-for.html

 

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-08 15:53:33

I have two questions for the commenters:

Question 1: Who among the good people posting at NQ actually think any party can solve our predicaments and if you do think one can, which one?

Question 2: Who will lead this charge to the solution?

Comment by Seattle Moss | 2009-06-08 17:56:25

Ferd,

Question 1: Who among the good people posting at NQ actually think any party can solve our predicaments and if you do think one can, which one?

Although I will probably pull the lever for the right as I have done for a whole year now I believe that neither party nor any political party anywhere in the world is equipped or prepared for the horrendous days ahead.
These are the deck chair days of the Titanic. The collective wealth of the industrialized western world is vanishing in just a few years time in a vain attempt to prop up an economic system and standard of living that that has been our luxury, but for a moment in time.
Future political parties will be regional as we see the disintegration of federal and state institutions.
Along with these regional and international alliances will see the rise of the community and local militias as the hyper inflation and destruction increases.

Question 2: Who will lead this charge to the solution?

We will!

 
 

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2009-06-08 17:51:47

I had a response to IndianaDem that was caught in the spam eater.

Could someone retrieve it???

The spam filter must be very hungry today!!

 

Comment by cat | 2009-06-08 18:21:04

fascinating article

Comment by Steve_in_KC | 2009-06-08 21:26:50

Thank you, cat!

 
 

Comment by whoframedrudy | 2009-06-08 22:16:20

I’d add to the record of ‘old’ Republicans Ike & Nixon: excellent Supreme Court appointments.

Ike appointed Earl Warren and Bill Brennan, two of the greatest liberal Justices. I think Nixon partially redeemed himself for Watergate by appointing honorable conservatives Blackmun, Powell, and Burger. Nixon’s appointees protected the Constitution, with a strong record on privacy, abortion, death penalty, free press and executive privilege, standing up to Nixon in the Constitutional crisis.

There was a time when we didn’t have to fear Repub Presidents appointing hacks and party radicals to the Supreme Court.

 

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