Comments on: Incarceration Nation

By: Incarceration Nation Revisited: Webb to the Rescue! : NO QUARTER

Incarceration Nation Revisited: Webb to the Rescue! : NO QUARTER — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:01:19 +0000

[...] is a scandal. It breaks families and our economy. My first post on the crises in our prisons got a great response from many of you, but we didn’t come up with [...]

By: Denise

Denise — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:15:44 +0000

Well drawn, well said! Thanks, Pat.

By: NomNomNom

NomNomNom — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:53:40 +0000

lol, lousy typist here, “sh#t”

By: NomNomNom

NomNomNom — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:52:09 +0000

Holy crap yourself, mousie, I don’t have any desire to live in a country run by drug cartels. Drugs are legal in many places and are still controlled by organized crime.
As far as I’m concerned our medical system pushing drugs on people while simultaneously making it impossible to acquire real health care is already a cartel; they just don’t point a gun at my head. I sure don’t need one that does.
We’ve got way too many clowns already in this country who’d rather go inebriate or stone themselves instead of doing something productive.
I spent 2 years walking to work after stoners totalled my freaking car when they broke in to it and found there wasn’t any fancy stereo, money, guns, drugs in it. They’d have still been worthless deadbeats even if drugs were legal.
People like you who want to legalize this sh#rt are dumber than dirt. Bite me.

By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:22:42 +0000

All I said is that tests are not infallible nor are the persons performing said testing. There is no such thing as 100% certainty, as evidenced by the use of statistics when making results known, e.g., one out of X chance a test is incorrect (and even that assumes the test was performed correctly with the correct sample, etc.)

By: oowawa

oowawa — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:08:43 +0000

I know that the greatest weapon against future wars is Cannabis.

Well, that’s what we believed at one time (of course, there was also nuclear weaponry in our arsenal–LSD). (Now I’ll sound like Sophia on the Golden Girls reminiscing about Sicily)

Picture it: it was the Summer of Love, 1967. I just got out of the service. We had a little baywindow apartment right off of Haight Street. The sweet smells of pachouli oil and pot were everywhere. In order to get into the apartment, we had to step over sleeping bodies. Inside the apartment–more sleeping or stoned bodies. Didn’t even know who they were. Love was in the air.

And then methedrine moved into the Haight and it all ended, and the war dragged on. And then we got old and there were more wars and Obama was elected President. The End.

By: Seattle Moss

Seattle Moss — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:56:27 +0000

Folks

I believe Bill Clinton when he said that he tried weed but he didn’t inhale…Why?

In college I knew a genius who just wanted to fit in with the rest of us normal types. He wanted to be like me the popular guy. The one that had the parties. The one that could drag himself into class after an all nighter and ace a test.
So I took this poindexter to a party. He was ready to be like the rest of us…Until he took his first puff and coughed his brains up. This guy could not inhale!
Interesting point about people that don’t inhale…They usually go on to become Presidents!

By: TeakWoodKite

TeakWoodKite — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:54:15 +0000

Your point leads right back to Pats post.

One man’s anarchy maybe another man’s peace…

Why have laws? By what right, if one follows your logic does the state have to imprison anyone?

What is is illegal in one state is legal in another….

I wish you much peace SM, nature is calling me on this Friday afternoon.

By: Seattle Moss

Seattle Moss — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:41:17 +0000

As a practical reality there is a balance or anarchy of one kind or another sets in.

One man’s anarchy maybe another man’s peace.

I consider driving in certain drug infested neighborhoods with street thugs and drive by’s to be the anarchy which is fueled by the never ending hopelessness of those sentenced to a life of crime because of their felony convictions.

Let’s quit thinking we’re above nature and embrace it realizing that we are but fragile creatures like all others just trying to get by with a little happiness to go along.

By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:25:56 +0000

I agree with you–these are difficult problems involving difficult concepts with even more difficult solutions. The problem is that politicians of all stripes seem to ignore the nuances and difficulties and give us a one-size-fits-all approach to any problem. Analysis? They don’t need no stinking analysis. They justify their paychecks by giving us a steaming pile of manure, which they call a law and then pat themselves on the back for having pulled another fast one on us. And a lot of Americans just go along with it thinking, “voila”, problem solved. Not on this plane of reality.

By: TeakWoodKite

TeakWoodKite — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:58:54 +0000

I have this question of individual freedom vs. society / civil order.

As a practical reality there is a balance or anarchy of one kind or another sets in.

It is an on going debate between my own ears as to where the balance is.

By: Katmoon

Katmoon — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:57:18 +0000

There would be an increase in picnics, bbq’s and shared meals no doubt!

By: Seattle Moss

Seattle Moss — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:47:33 +0000

how much better my quality of life would be if I were allowed to self treat with cannabis for my disease instead of the methotrexate…

How wonderful life would be if we can grow our own medicine and maybe even help others.

I know that the greatest weapon against future wars is Cannabis.
We may be closer than we think!

By: Katmoon

Katmoon — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:40:44 +0000

I had to attempt this subject this semester for Criminal Law,; in my research I found it was at one time required by law to grow certain plants, i.e. hemp and cannabis. I can only imagine (because I would have to wait to be in “serious” need for my RA) how much better my quality of life would be if I were allowed to self treat with cannabis for my disease instead of the methotrexate…I don’t risk it because a prison sentence when one cannot move their feet and hands would be how shall we say, a bit rough. Yes, I can only imagine. My next step is to fill the Humera prescription, but I won’t; this is only when I am getting ready to go to a wheelchair. In the interim, I am still taking the methotrexate, and a test drug…why not, it won’t get any worse. Why not allow people to have access to naturally occurring plants that do help us? The next thing you may have to worry over becoming illegal are willow trees and foxglove; but I am being ridiculous, and so are some of the laws over what is and is not an illegal substance, its use to be dictated by a government that doesn’t even know what is in its own budget. I am a better keeper of myself, than they could ever be.

By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:38:20 +0000

Now there’s an idea–very good, Seattle. So long as they break no other laws, leave them alone. This is as it should be.