hmmmm…what does joe know? ~ open thread
By American Girl in Italy on June 26, 2009 at 6:00 PM in Current Affairs
This morning Joe Scarborough commented on the disgusting displays by Ed Schultz and Keith Olbermann over their “unbridled glee” in the Mark Sanford scandal.
JOE SCARBOROUGH: Obviously [Sanford] needs to be judged in the toughest sense politically, but personally, I’ll just be blunt, I was embarrassed by certain cable news hosts last night, some on this network, that took, and the only expression you can really use is “unbridled glee” in this man’s problem and the pain of his wife, the pain of his children.
During the John Edwards situation and others, I never really understood the kind of glee that people took last night. It happens on the left, it happens on the right. And some of these people judging last night, you know, you could call them the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker of cable news. I would not be making judgements were I these people.
“I would not be making judgements were I these people.”
Hmmmm… so what does Joe know, that we don’t?
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Scarborough was probably expressing what we all truly know in our heart of hearts, AGI: saints are a rare commodity and one would be hard pressed to find a single one in the media or in politics. Yet the self-righteous on either side of the political landscape love to throw stones. Hypocritical, all of them.
Joe Scarborough has his feet both in media and politics and it’s not inconceivable that he’s heard stories on the grapevine in both arenas. It’s strange how the people who scream the loudest and take the most glee in someone’s misfortune are often guilty of a myriad of sins in their own lives.
Frankly, I’m sick of these public confessions. What someone does in their own bedroom with a consenting adult is their own damn business. Whatever apologies they owe is to their own families. But I’d be careful about preaching to the multitudes regarding morality and faithfulness when your own life is less than stellar.
“He who is without sin” sort of admonition. The “glee” can quickly turn to angst. I took no pleasure in seeing Sanford wriggle on the hook. But Republicans made this a national sport when Clinton was in the spotlight. Doesn’t make it right but the Universe has a strange way of paying back debts. The Dems should be very careful in overplaying their hand. It will no doubt come back to bite them.
Okay, Peggy Sue. If the dirt ever surfaces on Olbermann or Tweetie or David Shuster or Letterman or any of my other special faves, I’m going to try real hard to control my Schadenfreude, because I won’t want my glee turning to angst.
But if Big Ed Schultz falls down from his arrogant self-righteous pinnacle and leaves a big hole in the ground after a colossal belly-flop, can I at least snicker a little?
snicker away!
I don’t care for any of the men you mentioned, oowawa. But the last thing I want to know or imagine is their sex lives [ugh].Then again, private snickers are always allowed :0).
It’s this appetite for public humiliation that turns me off. And I’m not defending marital infidelity. The real shame [and I think shame is a perfectly good and effective punishment] comes when you have to face a betrayed spouse or tell the kids, the extended family, your colleagues etc.–people who actually know you and have loved and/or admired you.
Then you know you’re a louse [or lousette]. The rest [for me at least] is overkill. And the press just feeds on this stuff. I find it thoroughly distasteful.
I usually feel about the same regardless of which side violates their spouse or the people’s trust – and that is overwhelming embarrassment for all concerned. In my wildest nightmare I cannot imagine the public humiliation of such things as the email revelations from the Sanford mess this week.
Although I prefaced his remarks by labeling him, “You SoB”, I have to say I almost felt sorry for him due to his insistance on more-information-than-anyone-needed as well as he seemed more remorseful and broken than any of the others in my memory. I suppose the republicans convinced him that more is better when they obsessed on wanting Bill Clinton to “just tell the truth” in 1998 (translation: tell it all so we can then really kick your a@%).
Couldn’t agree more, Peggy Sue. I say, let’s clean house on both sides of the aisle. They all know who the adulterers are. Put it all out on the table, no public apologies with the wife (at least Sanford didn’t pull that one), just let their constituents decide if it matters or not. And then we can be done with these public floggings.
Let’s vote in all women. That should take care of the problem.
I would agree that taking unbridled glee in someone’s problems is very unbecoming, usually even more unbecoming than being an unbridled hypocrite. But I do judge politicians on the faith they show in their personal lives because I expect than they will do no better in their public lives. Besides, what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom is not always without a conflict of interest. Anyone who has been in the work world knows about the lecherous bosses and the vamping secretaries, and it’s not pretty, and it often affects a lot of people in a lot of ways that go far beyond the privacy of the bedroom.
Yes, Lily, I agree–infidelity can hurt alot of people. But it’s still a personal matter. I don’t buy into the idea that marital infidelity is the litmus test of a person’s whole life. People make mistakes. As human beings we tend to have many “selfish” moments.
But these public floggings [good term, Annie] serve nothing in my mind but smacks of gross voyeurism. There would be no “conflict of interest” if we walked back this idea of public, moral condemnation regarding sexual behavior between consenting adults.
Unless, of course, you think branding a capital “A” on the foreheads of adulterers has social merit.
Sorry. Whether the partner is a man or woman, I see no value in that. Call me the un-Puritan.
all the way to the board room no doubt.
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I have a problem with the misuse of a government email system being used for personal communication.
There is “To:”, “From” and in the governors case “in between”. He is an ass worthy of Dostoevsky;
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we hold our leaders to a higher standard.they sometimes let us down.
because after all they are only human.
Mmmmm, well, if we held our leaders to a higher standard Obama would never be president and there’d be a lot of politicians in general on the dole. We simply pretend to hold our leaders to a higher standard when it is convenient to do so.
People like to get high and mighty over sexually related things probably because so few of us can actually cast that first stone. I mean who would care if Schultz or Olbermann had an affair? They are blowhard nobodies, not blowhard elected officials. While I’m on the subject of affairs, I pity anyone who would have an affair with Schultz or Olbermann. All they’d get is the short end of the stick.
RofLMAO! Brilliant!
I exchanged emails with Schultz (at one time ages ago)
Trust me he’s an IDIOT who investigates NOTHING!
He’s just got a big fat mouth and is so dense he became a lemming really EARLY! Was always a HILLARY hater. When I tried to defend her with him his only reply was “WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF?”
WHICH had nothing to do with the email. He was just trying to tie it all in to a racist bow. Not even noticing his misogyny. And NEVER investigating any thing. MUCH like Keith O.
Joe knows what we all know, or at least what we understand on a subconscience level. When I witness rabid zeolots like Olbermenn go after someone for any particular reason, especially with such gleefully sanctimonious rhetoric, I can’t help but believe that the reason for their attack is that they are projecting onto their target the anger that they are too cowardly unable to direct at themselves for being far more guilty of the particular sin than their scapegoat victim. Good and empathetic journalists report on subjects like Mark Sanford with a degree of disappointment and an understanding that we are all flawed. It’s a sad event for all concerned, and a good commenter will convey that sadness.
Lies, anger, hatred, deception, prejudice, hypocrisy, and racism are frequent areas of attack for Olbermann, and I get the distinct impression from his words, attitude, and snearing demeanor, that he is a practiced disciple of all of them.
Don’t forget that Al Gore didn’t want Clinton campaigning with him in 2000 (because of the Lewinsky scandal). Talk about being judgmental! And that worked out so well for Al and the rest of us Dems, didn’t it? 8 years of Geo. Bush.
Yes, but the reason Gore felt he needed to distance himself from the scandal was because the finger-wagging Mark Sanfords, John Edwards, Joe Scarboroughs, et al wouldn’t shut up about it. They never got over the fact that the American people cared more about good government than their panty-sniffing vendetta.
Which is why, while I don’t generally pay much heed to political gossip, I get considerable glee when one of the sanctimonious posturers like Newt Gingrich, David Vitter and Larry Craig have their behavior, um, exposed. It’s the hypocrisy, stupid.
Just to be clear, the “stupid” wasn’t aimed at you, just a play on Bill Clinton’s campaign slogan.
You know that optimistic feeling that overcomes you when a popular television pundit, whether formerly seemingly inebriated with Kool-Aid or, transient vapors of the potent liquid; apparently ‘gets it’? Well, cheer up!
colbertcolbert
stewart
The Colbert link didn’t work, but I looked it up on Hulu. The kool aid is wearing off, isn’t it???
Too bad since those freaks helped so that we are all fucked and not in a good way!
Very funny and surprising stuff, jbjd. But I just don’t want to get my hopes up that the kool-aid is wearing off. The Colbert link:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/79743/the-colbert-report-thu-jun-25-2009
I know, I know; and, I hadn’t checked out Stewart in several months, aside from occasional links on this blog. But after seeing Colbert’s stinging albeit comical attacks lately, I decided to venture out. Yes, I was most pleasantly surprised. What gives me hope, too, is that, in the past, especially when Stewart attempted to zing BO, the audience expressed disapproval. More than once, I recall JS admonished them, ‘It’s okay to laugh.’ Now, based on their unsolicited laughter, it sounds like the audience is on the comedian’s side.
I am not saying what I’m about to say to be mean. but i feel since there are oposite sides on this issue (and as far as the internet is concerned i am in the minority) i want to be clear.
Many people are saying “We are all human” and “We all make mistakes” thats true. I understand that, but there is a real difference to what many are considering a “mistake” and what we have here which is actually by definition a “sucess” let me explain.
now a mistake is defined as: An error or fault resulting from defective ability, deficient knowledge, or carelessness.
and sucess is defined as: an event that accomplishes its intended purpose.
This is very important and in many cases can determine if someone goes to jail for life or cleans up trash for 3 months. Because it tells if the person knew fully what they were doing. (in essense if it was a mistake)
In this situation you have a man who is probably pretty smart. Planned the whole thing out and knew exactly what he was doing. It wasnt even the first time he did this. He went there knowing what he was doing and did it. A sucess!
When i was a kid my grandma had a above ground pool with a latter latched up. i was taking the ladder down so me and my kid sister could go swimming. i could just barely reach the latch and when i did the ladder swung down so fast it hit her in the head. there was blood everywhere she was crying and so scared. The thing is i didnt calculate corectly where or how hard it would fall, and i hurt her because of it. Put this situation in perpective with Sanford and it would equate to knowing fully it would fall on her and doing it anyway (or even that it could).
I made a mistake. I never would hurt my little sister who i loved so much. but ask yourself WHAT KIND OF PERSON WOULD?
Well well, there’s a big difference between an accident (the ladder smacking your sister) and a mistake (Sanford). Accidents occur because of a lack of consideration to details (length of ladder) and lapses of attention. A mistake is taking an incorrect action when you know, or should have known, the possible negative consequences of that action. If you think that experiencing National shame, potential loss of job, a family and marital crisis, and a mountain of guilt, was Sanford’s intended goal, then I suppose you could say he was successful. That’s a ridiculous formulation. He’s paying dearly for his terrible “mistake”, not his “success”.
“A mistake is taking an incorrect action when you know, or should have known, the possible negative consequences of that action”
I dont know what actions he took that were incorect (unless leaving the state car at the airport was something off-plan mabe? but i doubt it). If a rapist sets out to rape a girl and does its not a mistake, he intended to do it. Is it horrific and disturbing? yes. but not a mistake.
“If you think that experiencing National shame, potential loss of job, a family and marital crisis, and a mountain of guilt, was Sanford’s intended goal, then I suppose you could say he was successful”
If I buy a loterry ticket because i want to win the loterry. Then if i win and become a drug addict because of it I was still successful in winning the lottery. Sanford was successful in cheating on his wife.
I know its hard to believe that someone can be successful at one thing and in the process neglect other things or even create themeselves more problems because of it. Leaving his children on fathers day to be with the women he was cheating on there mother with was intentional and not a mistake. The kids later resenting him for it does not take back what he was successful at.
Mabe your looking at the situation w/some sort of poetic thinking where everything in life can be interpreted based on what happens 1 day to 50 yrs later (its not a mistake because if i was home i would have got in an accident but because i was there i didnt so it wasnt a mistake….ext. who knows what will happen). It’s about what you did plan and if you executed it as planed.
It wasn’t a mistake. The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was a success. Under estimating the United States was a mistake. His affair was a success. Thinking he could get away with it was a mistake.
I don’t know which is worse, a guy who doesn’t care about his family or someone who is mentally ill (I assume he didn’t get to his position by being stupid) to think in this day and age he can carry on like this undetected.
Your ability to unlatch the ladder was a success, your belief you could handle it once unhooked was a mistake, and actually hitting your sister with it was an accident.
Do you think he planned on getting caught? You say he was successful in cheating on his wife. If he was successful we wouldn’t be writing about it, because we wouldn’t know about it. Was he successful in getting some southern booty? Of course. Was it a mistake? I’m certain that Sanford and most other people would agree that it was. He also made the mistake of thinking he could get away with such a thing.
I suppose that I feel that cheating at anything is a mistake, whether you’re caught or not. You might successfully cheat and get away with it, but it is a mistake to cheat in the first place because you risk getting caught and paying a penalty that is greater than the cheap rewards gained by cheating in the first place. If you cheat in a game and win, what have you really won? If you cheat in a game and lose, you’ve lost twice. In either case, you have only cheated yourself, so it is a mistake to do it at all.
You might plan to, and successfully rob a bank, or rape someone, but it is a terrible mistake and a crime to do either one, even if you’re never caught. You’ll eventually pay the price. Call it Karma if you want.
There was an interesting article in “National Review” some years ago about a fundamental difference between Muslim/middle east culture and Christian/western culture. Western moral restraints have a guilt based foundation, while in the middle east there is a shame based system. Your mistake/success calculus seems based on a shame approach, i.e. Mark Sanford successfully got some booty that wasn’t his wife, and it wasn’t a mistake because that was his plan. The mistake he made was getting caught, for which he must be shamed by all. I claim that engaging in an extramarital affair is a mistake to begin with, if you’re caught or not, because of the guilt a normal person should feel all their lives for such a transgression on their loved ones. Sociopaths are of course exempt from either equation since they feel no guilt and can’t be shamed.
if you find comfort grouping what he did into the catagory of “mistake” go ahead. I guess I can see why some people would like to do that, to say a mistake is when you shoot someone 9 times or when you take the wrong set of keys in the morning. Because in some way we will all “take the wrong keys” in our life but most will never come close to murder.
So if I did what he did or was OK with it I might want to come off like it’s normal. cuz ya’know “everyone makes mistakes” its “human error”. Thats probably why so many people when they do something wrong say “so sue me I made a mistake! I’m human!!”
The truth is its pretty hard to find a way to consider things like this a mistake. Mabe some want to because they find other words. Even saying he did something wrong to be judgmental and therefore fear they would face the same jugdment. and guilt/shame whatever comes of it.
“if you find comfort grouping what he did into the catagory of “mistake” go ahead.”
There’s no need to be patrinizing.
It was not a mistake.
I don’t show mercy to adulterers, and I don’t care which lousy party they are in. I particularly don’t show mercy to adulterers who pretend they are holy. I think he’s a pig just like John Edwards is a pig. We have a bunch of pigs running our country.
I agree. And today he compared himself to King David in the Bible. Who is this man kidding? Talk about delusions of grandeur.
The hypocrisy makes me angry, Uppity Woman. I confess I don’t understand the argument about mistakes. We make choices and infidelity often is a conscience choice peripherally related to lust.
In a recent survey, 60% of American men and 40% of American women have admitted being unfaithful at least once in their marriage, but only 22% of those marriages end in divorce.
I do believe power is an aphrodisiac of sorts and the temptation and opportunities are more available for those in a position of power. Unless the marriage become completely dysfunctional because of an affair(s)and effects the politician’s ability to do his/her job, I would think it is an entirely private matter. There are many things to be considered before such a drastic step is undertaken.
I know this is off post……but does anyone know the names of the 8 GOP who vote YEA for the climate bill?
I know what names I would LIKE to give them!
Bono Mack
Castle
Kirk
Lance
LoBiondo
McHugh
Reichert
Smith (NJ)
The real story is the Democrats who voted AGAINST the bill. I need their names too. At this time, the bills not expected to pass the Senate when it gets there later this year or whenever.
Here are the Democratic “traitors”: Texas Rep. Ciro Rodriguez, Rep. Alcee Hastings from Florida, and Rep. Eric Massa from New York.
I think I might be in love with Eric Massa by the few lines the Politico article said about him since it sounds like he has some gumption:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0609/Where_in_the_world_is_Ciro_Rodriguez.html
“A third member who has irked the powers-that-be: Rookie upstate New York Rep. Eric Massa (D-NY), who voted “no” despite a photo op with President Obama. Massa has also alienated many in Pelosi’s team by introducing a House pay freeze jointly with Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.).”
http://massa.house.gov/index.html
Oh, yes, we lik-ee Eric Massa! This is someone who is a good friend of Wes Clark’s — Wes campaigned hard for him in 2006 and 2008.
Haven’t been able to find those names either.
Wait….here is a link.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/111/house/1/votes/477/
Can’t link the page that shows how the Dems voted. Just hit the appropriate link to open that page.
Oops, sorry. Here’s the final vote results – there’s certainly more than 3 Democrats who voted against.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll477.xml#N
Sanford took state money for his trysts but refused federal money that was to be used to help the people of South Carolina. Interesting.
So what if these politicians are unfaithful to their wives?! Why should they apologize to US? It’s not any of our business. This is ridiculous, no matter if they are Dems or Reps.
While everyone talks about Michael I prepare for the reality of Cap and Trade or better known as Tax and kill.
The democrats are going extinct!
In a few years when folks have to pay $3000 more a year in utilities I’m sure the democrats will be rewarded accordingly.
Along with your utility bills, companies like mine that make essential products using energy will have to raise prices which will be passed on to consumers.
Every single item made in America will skyrocket in price.
This is what the democrats are bringing us. Along with 20% inflation we can look forward to riots and famine and possibly wars.
The irony for democrats…They love to pass laws increasing costs and killing jobs to save species, but will find that they are the endangered species.
Hey Moss, been meaning to ask…What side of the tree do you grow on up there in Seattle?
I was explaining to my son that nations rise and fall based on the use of energy.
Holland it was windmills and them not having coal.
England it was coal and not having oil.
Japan went to war with us over steel and energy
Now it is the industrial world not having oil and like the countries in history before this economy, if we do not transition to a sustainable and diversified energy stream we are doomed to repeat it.
The loss of goods per cost of BTU’s is coming to a production line near you. In your case which I gather is petro based what other raw material could you use? Conola oil? (This is what BO and the Dems would have the public believe, which is insane.)
Even if one stipulates that finite resourse will require a transition the economic dislocation will be like pooing gas on a simmering fire.
The way BO talks, you think he was the father of cold fusion and a Saint.
I would have agreed with the above statement considering my background is in Natural Resource use and planning..
However conditions have changed.
Two short years from now no one is going to be talking clean energy or alternatives. All expensive and a disaster in the continuing depression. We haven’t seen the other shoe fall with commercial real estate or hyper inflation that will spiral soon. The economy even now is falling like a dagger and the democrats foolishly pretend they can change the existing economy at a time when it’s collapsing. Pure folly and a death sentence for democrats.
Just like times before…Clean energy looks great on paper but when it comes time to implement it’s the kiss of death for economies.
Obama’s plan signals unilateral capitulation of our capitalist system while allowing others continued use of whatever energy is available to them to increase their self interests.
What the world and the democrats want is a transfer wealth. In their view America needs to surrender it’s position and allow others to advance.
Surrendering our competitive edge in the economy as well as in foreign policy continues the tragic saga of our willful National suicide.
The real future equals 40% less industrial output do to the collapse of the world economy and will lead to a much smaller pie for industries to compete. Oil will not be a problem for the next thirty years destroying the alternative energy business once again as happened in the early 80’s.
Do to inflation and less industry because of the collapse, products will be more expensive to produce and governments will wage economic wars of competition which will lead to the wholesale abandonment of everything that costs industry more to produce and compete.
The future means more coal…
The future means more drilling
The future means less regulations.
Windmills and solar will cost more to produce in a hyper inflated economy than they’re worth. Also the noise,maintenance,blight and bird kills will relegate them to tourist attractions in Den Hague.
You see Teak…Nobody is going to give a damn about the green revolution when we are faced with 20% unemployment and rampant civil unrest.
That’s why Republicans always win when it comes to creating jobs.
Seattle—as always, you’re right on target.
Did you know, while you were worrying about the debate in Congress today, that the House took time for a moment of silence for Michael Jackson? I don’t mean to minimize the death of anyone, but HONESTLY!!! It’s embarrassing and tragic enough that Americans will not flock to the streets like Iranians, unless a rock star dies.
I think we should replace the Lord’s prayer in the liturgy at church with “Why the hell bother, Lord?”… What a sick, self-absorbed country, being led by an even sicker and more self-absorbed administration.
Well Tom Price on the floor asked for a minute of silence for the millions of people who will lose their job due to passing Cap & Trade. See here for the video.
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/06/dems-pass-largest-tax-increase-in.html
But you are totally right.
The American people would be better served if Congress instead of taking a moment to honor a singer would take a week and honor the taxpayers by actually reading the d*mn bill before voting on it! Ahh, another bill that didn’t get posted on the Obama website 3 days before voting so the American taxpayer could read it.
Cindy,
This is why Greece fell to the pragmatic and militaristic Romans.
The Greeks were obsessed with fame and celebrity and spent their days worshiping sportsman and philosophers paying them obscene wages and building mansions and statues to their idols while others sharpened weapons in preparation for conquest.
Your points are exactly right and well stated. We saw this happen just in the last 18 months.
All the political talk of “green energy” and shabang! The price of oil heads south to the point just below where any economy of scale for making “alternative energy” viable as a energy stream disappeared.
Thirty years from now if we do not have a viable energy migration pathway, what then?
Thirty years is a blink of an eye in the life of a young country.
What I can’t fathom is the stupidity of doing an economic “cold turkey” without consideration of the economic dislocations and un-intended consequenses.
All eyes are on Arrakis.
I have been forced to read up on solar and wind and alternative energies for many of the ag-related stories I cover and it’s not as easy or as cheap, not to mention viable as the libs want you to think.
There’s a huge initial investment, for example, for a single wind turbine to provide power for a home.
The initial investment for a larger building like a school, can take up to 20 years to recoup. And that’s putting the best possible spin on it.
Same thing for converting oil-fueled furnaces to wood-biomass ones.
And solar energy – fergeddaboudit in the northeast. If I hadn’t spoken to some of the foremost environmentalists about these issues, many of which are being discussed at local town board meetings, I wouldn’t say anything. But I have and I’ve also read their reports.
The eager young libs who attend the town hall meetings to present their case for ’sustainable energy’ such as ‘woody biomass’ and wind turbines are positively salivating at the idea of how much money is going to become available to them.
Since I cover the County Legislature, I know that a lot of the IDA funds have been channeled to those companies.
Problem is you can’t just cut off one energy source and implement another that isn’t even developed yet.
And the wind turbine alternative is unrealistic. It requires too much land, it’s ugly as he11 and despite claims to the contrary, the noise drives people nuts.
But those who stand to rake in the cash don’t give a sh!t. They just want to line their pockets.
IMHO, at least oil, coal, gas and nuclear energy have been proven to work. As far as solar energy, I’ve had to read enough about that and it’s usefulness in the northeast to know it’s not an option.
For all the talk by the Obama Administration about how cap & trade will create jobs, they know it won’t right away if ever because the bill specifically allows:
“Title IV, Subtitle B, Part 2, Section 426, of the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009 states: ‘An eligible worker (specifically, workers who lose their jobs as a result of this measure) may receive a climate change adjustment allowance under this subsection for a period of not longer than 156 weeks…80 percent of the monthly premium of any health insurance coverage…up to a maximum payment of $1,500 in relocation allowance…and job search expenses not exceed[ing] $1,500.’”
If cap-and-trade is an energy and global warming bill, why is a three-year package of unemployment benefits, job training and relocation expenses buried deep within its fine print? And why is a federally subsidized “job bank” needed if laid-off workers would quickly be rehired for higher-paying “green” jobs? The fact that generous unemployment benefits are buried in the bill means that “green jobs are bunk,” the conservative Heritage Foundation’s Ben Lieberman told The Examiner.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Waxman-Markey-cap-and-trade-bill-stuffed-full-of-unpleasant-surprises-45836042.html
Actually, due to the high price of electricity, the Northeast hold 6 of the top 8 slots of the “Top 8 States Ranked by Lowest Subsidy Required for Solar Power to break even.
See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/assets/images/story/2006/12/27/Top8States.gif
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2006/12/the-future-of-solar-power-lies-in-the-northeast-46946
So in other words, since conventional power sources like fossil fuels are frowned upon in the northeast, the cost of power is high. But still not high enough for solar to break even WITHOUT subsidies. Isn’t there something wrong with that equation?
The cost of gas is getting so high that I can’t afford to drive my truck, so, I guess I’ll have to push it to the grocery store.
Windmills in Holland were used almost exclusively to pump water out of the dykes and grind grain which they produced and exchanged for coal.
England has plenty of oil. Especially the North Sea rigs my father helped build.
My point is only that as a World power these nations did not have the forsight to see the next ource of energy and the their status on the world stage went on permenant decline.
Cap my earnings trade my job.
Teak
Interesting you should ask about my rich heritage dating back billions of years.
As Moss I’m everywhere moss can be. I start my colonizing on the North side and thru continued conquest will take over and hold positions on the east,west and sometimes if I’m persistent infiltrate and control the south.
Of course growing my moss everywhere including on other planets has it’s benefits.
Take a look..
http://environment.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/Environment/Images/Habitat/hohrivervalleymosstree2-710-ga.jpg
My fear is the majority won’t even know what is happening because they will be so engrossed in the scandal du jour.
thank you agii for all your posts and keepin us thinkin and on our toes!
Discretion doesn’t mix too well with American Idol/Reality TV mindset, does it?
Hi,
Interesting, I`ll quote it on my site later.
AlexAxe