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		<title>By: Tricia Spiegel</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1223107</link>
		<dc:creator>Tricia Spiegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh, what a story Barbara.  I think those kinds of events stick with a person forever.

Once at a party we decided to share our most humiliating moment.  We were all full-fledged adults, but without exception our stories featured school-related events around the ages of 10-14.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh, what a story Barbara.  I think those kinds of events stick with a person forever.</p>
<p>Once at a party we decided to share our most humiliating moment.  We were all full-fledged adults, but without exception our stories featured school-related events around the ages of 10-14.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1223105</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 04:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was in Elementary School (1968) my Fifth Grade teacher had a singular dislike for myself and my parents.  I don&#039;t know why and looking back on it I still think she had a screw or 10 loose.

This woman, adult woman - set me up (an 11 year old no less) to be taunted by my classmates and even left me at a school outing to wander 2 miles back to school myself... with no remorse.  

I have PCOS and one of the signs of that is precocious (early) puberty.  Mine hit hard when I was 9.  I had full breasts and pubic hair by 10.  A couple of my classmates told this to the teacher... who marched me down to the nurse and called me a liar.  She and the nurse DEMANDED I strip in front of them.  STRIP.

Afterwards they called my mother and wanted to know what was wrong with me!  If that happened today I&#039;d have had a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the school district.

I feel for this girl.  I know what she went through.

The school should be ashamed of itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in Elementary School (1968) my Fifth Grade teacher had a singular dislike for myself and my parents.  I don&#8217;t know why and looking back on it I still think she had a screw or 10 loose.</p>
<p>This woman, adult woman &#8211; set me up (an 11 year old no less) to be taunted by my classmates and even left me at a school outing to wander 2 miles back to school myself&#8230; with no remorse.  </p>
<p>I have PCOS and one of the signs of that is precocious (early) puberty.  Mine hit hard when I was 9.  I had full breasts and pubic hair by 10.  A couple of my classmates told this to the teacher&#8230; who marched me down to the nurse and called me a liar.  She and the nurse DEMANDED I strip in front of them.  STRIP.</p>
<p>Afterwards they called my mother and wanted to know what was wrong with me!  If that happened today I&#8217;d have had a multi-million dollar lawsuit against the school district.</p>
<p>I feel for this girl.  I know what she went through.</p>
<p>The school should be ashamed of itself.</p>
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		<title>By: BuzzisbackLatte</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222665</link>
		<dc:creator>BuzzisbackLatte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the reasons I no longer work in the public schools.  All the stupid laws were/are stripping teachers, administrators, and students of common sense, individual responsibility, and academic freedom.

I stood in the hallway one day and realized it was only a matter of time before someone would find a reason to sue - valid or not - since a teacher each year in my building had been sued by a parent or was put on probation by the district.

The system itself was toxic.  The top administrators were either unavailable for any type of support or unwilling to get involved, period.

This girl was a victim of toxic thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the reasons I no longer work in the public schools.  All the stupid laws were/are stripping teachers, administrators, and students of common sense, individual responsibility, and academic freedom.</p>
<p>I stood in the hallway one day and realized it was only a matter of time before someone would find a reason to sue &#8211; valid or not &#8211; since a teacher each year in my building had been sued by a parent or was put on probation by the district.</p>
<p>The system itself was toxic.  The top administrators were either unavailable for any type of support or unwilling to get involved, period.</p>
<p>This girl was a victim of toxic thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry 0351</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222593</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry 0351</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a parent of a boy if this had happened to him at thirteen I would have wanted some quiet time alone with the school administrators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a parent of a boy if this had happened to him at thirteen I would have wanted some quiet time alone with the school administrators.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222575</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 10:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jozefal, most parents would object to a strip search of their thirteen year old child irregardless of the gender. Never-the-less, your comment was a little strange from where I sit.

A strip search of a boy would have been done by two men and surely in such an instance they would understand an &quot;unexpected&quot; erection. Of course I&#039;m not male so I don&#039;t understand all of the biological considerations, but this doesn&#039;t seem to be a situation conducive to arousal. It&#039;s probably my ignorance which leads me to believe the part in question would shrivel as much as possible for protection.

Pat&#039;s post is about the right to privacy, not gender bias, so what is your point?

BTW, Pat, the toon makes me cringe and since the point of illustration is to help promote understanding, it is extremely successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jozefal, most parents would object to a strip search of their thirteen year old child irregardless of the gender. Never-the-less, your comment was a little strange from where I sit.</p>
<p>A strip search of a boy would have been done by two men and surely in such an instance they would understand an &#8220;unexpected&#8221; erection. Of course I&#8217;m not male so I don&#8217;t understand all of the biological considerations, but this doesn&#8217;t seem to be a situation conducive to arousal. It&#8217;s probably my ignorance which leads me to believe the part in question would shrivel as much as possible for protection.</p>
<p>Pat&#8217;s post is about the right to privacy, not gender bias, so what is your point?</p>
<p>BTW, Pat, the toon makes me cringe and since the point of illustration is to help promote understanding, it is extremely successful.</p>
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		<title>By: PO'dVet</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222572</link>
		<dc:creator>PO'dVet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 07:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to agree with you Layla. Of course I&#039;d probably be squishing his eyeballs in my hands as the cops put the cuffs on me...but I&#039;m fairly certain...No jury would convict!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to agree with you Layla. Of course I&#8217;d probably be squishing his eyeballs in my hands as the cops put the cuffs on me&#8230;but I&#8217;m fairly certain&#8230;No jury would convict!</p>
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		<title>By: Layla</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222568</link>
		<dc:creator>Layla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so disgusted by this I don&#039;t know what to say.  Thank goodness the USSC voted the right way, but still...the fact that this is even up for debate just shows how totally f*cked up our country is.  And though Pat says the search was done &quot;by a female nurse and secretary&quot;, I have heard elsewhere that the male vice principal at the center of this lawsuit personally ordered and conducted the search--in other words, an older man ordered a 13-year old girl to expose her genitals to him.  I am amazed at the restraint this girl&#039;s mother showed when she picked her daughter up from that school.  If it was me hearing that story from my little girl, a half-hour later I would be sitting in a jail cell up on assault charges on that vice-principal.

Also, can someone please explain to me why the possesion of over-the-counter painkillers is a searchable offense in schools today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so disgusted by this I don&#8217;t know what to say.  Thank goodness the USSC voted the right way, but still&#8230;the fact that this is even up for debate just shows how totally f*cked up our country is.  And though Pat says the search was done &#8220;by a female nurse and secretary&#8221;, I have heard elsewhere that the male vice principal at the center of this lawsuit personally ordered and conducted the search&#8211;in other words, an older man ordered a 13-year old girl to expose her genitals to him.  I am amazed at the restraint this girl&#8217;s mother showed when she picked her daughter up from that school.  If it was me hearing that story from my little girl, a half-hour later I would be sitting in a jail cell up on assault charges on that vice-principal.</p>
<p>Also, can someone please explain to me why the possesion of over-the-counter painkillers is a searchable offense in schools today?</p>
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		<title>By: Layla</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222566</link>
		<dc:creator>Layla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No &quot;tip&quot; by a fellow student should ever be given so much credence by school officials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8220;tip&#8221; by a fellow student should ever be given so much credence by school officials.</p>
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		<title>By: Onofre's arm</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222528</link>
		<dc:creator>Onofre's arm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;..girls are always believed, and boys pay for it.&quot;

How true. That same double standard of credibility extends into adulthood as well. It has almost become routine in contentious divorces for the woman to automatically claim abuse, verbal or physical, even though the man may be completely innocent. Once accused, it is nearly impossible for any man to prove his innocence, as it&#039;s difficult to prove a negative. Ironically, the worst aspect of such false accusations is that it detracts from the credibility of women who actually are abused, so it would make sense for the penalties to be severe for women who&#039;ve made false charges. The lawyers that encourage such vile behavior should also be punished. The more contentious the divorce is, the more money the lawyers walk away with, and they care little about the lives that may have been ruined.

Sandi, although it is sad in a way, your son may have learned a valuable lesson about people, I hope he had nothing else to do with the girls that trashed his reputation, and I hope the girls learned the damage that can be caused by falsely crying &quot;wolf&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;..girls are always believed, and boys pay for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>How true. That same double standard of credibility extends into adulthood as well. It has almost become routine in contentious divorces for the woman to automatically claim abuse, verbal or physical, even though the man may be completely innocent. Once accused, it is nearly impossible for any man to prove his innocence, as it&#8217;s difficult to prove a negative. Ironically, the worst aspect of such false accusations is that it detracts from the credibility of women who actually are abused, so it would make sense for the penalties to be severe for women who&#8217;ve made false charges. The lawyers that encourage such vile behavior should also be punished. The more contentious the divorce is, the more money the lawyers walk away with, and they care little about the lives that may have been ruined.</p>
<p>Sandi, although it is sad in a way, your son may have learned a valuable lesson about people, I hope he had nothing else to do with the girls that trashed his reputation, and I hope the girls learned the damage that can be caused by falsely crying &#8220;wolf&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: mamakay</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222517</link>
		<dc:creator>mamakay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we wonder why children dont respect their elders any more.
  Im sure this child will be scared by this for a very long time.  I hope the school system is ordered to -at the very least-provide her with council if she wants it,  What vile adults these were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we wonder why children dont respect their elders any more.<br />
  Im sure this child will be scared by this for a very long time.  I hope the school system is ordered to -at the very least-provide her with council if she wants it,  What vile adults these were.</p>
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		<title>By: socalannie</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222499</link>
		<dc:creator>socalannie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 23:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I pulled my last kid out of school in 2nd grade and started homeschooling.  The second grade teacher was an absolute pyschopath, but it turns out she did us a favor.  The homeschool experience has been amazing and my kid has gotten a far broader education, is a well-adjusted and happy teen, and gotten to take amazing classes and field trips and other events with our local homeschool group (200+ families).  He went to his first homeschool prom a couple of weeks ago.  It was so beautiful, it made me cry.  It was held at the nicest hotel in our town (a Hyatt).  

Meanwhile my husband works for the 2nd largest school dist in the US.  I&#039;m not going to state exactly what his job is, but he&#039;s been to most of the schools.  He&#039;s thrilled I agreed to stay home &amp; homeschool our son &amp; his co-workers are always asking him &quot;what cool field trip or activilty did the homeschoolers do this week&quot;.  We feel very lucky to be out of the insane school system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why I pulled my last kid out of school in 2nd grade and started homeschooling.  The second grade teacher was an absolute pyschopath, but it turns out she did us a favor.  The homeschool experience has been amazing and my kid has gotten a far broader education, is a well-adjusted and happy teen, and gotten to take amazing classes and field trips and other events with our local homeschool group (200+ families).  He went to his first homeschool prom a couple of weeks ago.  It was so beautiful, it made me cry.  It was held at the nicest hotel in our town (a Hyatt).  </p>
<p>Meanwhile my husband works for the 2nd largest school dist in the US.  I&#8217;m not going to state exactly what his job is, but he&#8217;s been to most of the schools.  He&#8217;s thrilled I agreed to stay home &amp; homeschool our son &amp; his co-workers are always asking him &#8220;what cool field trip or activilty did the homeschoolers do this week&#8221;.  We feel very lucky to be out of the insane school system.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222494</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the problem when people are not allowed to think, and rules are made so no personal judjement is required.

Rich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the problem when people are not allowed to think, and rules are made so no personal judjement is required.</p>
<p>Rich</p>
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		<title>By: sandi78</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/26/searching-savana/#comment-1222457</link>
		<dc:creator>sandi78</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, there is a double standard in schools. Let me tell you a story about my son.

When he was in 8th grade, a girl who was one of his friends, told the assistant principal that my son had touched her breast. Two of the girl&#039;s friends, also friends of my son, said they had witnessed this. It never happened, but there were all those girls saying it did, so my son was interviewed by the police on campus without my knowledge. Ultimately, he had a note placed in his record and was suspended for three days.

When they all got to high school the following year, the girl admitted to my son that she had lied and apologised. She hd been angry because he wouldn&#039;t take her to some school dance. Nice that she finally apologised, but what good did that do my son? Too late to clean it off his record.She suffered no consequence at all for lying in such a terrible way.

So my experience as the mother of boys and girls is that girls are always believed, and boys pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, there is a double standard in schools. Let me tell you a story about my son.</p>
<p>When he was in 8th grade, a girl who was one of his friends, told the assistant principal that my son had touched her breast. Two of the girl&#8217;s friends, also friends of my son, said they had witnessed this. It never happened, but there were all those girls saying it did, so my son was interviewed by the police on campus without my knowledge. Ultimately, he had a note placed in his record and was suspended for three days.</p>
<p>When they all got to high school the following year, the girl admitted to my son that she had lied and apologised. She hd been angry because he wouldn&#8217;t take her to some school dance. Nice that she finally apologised, but what good did that do my son? Too late to clean it off his record.She suffered no consequence at all for lying in such a terrible way.</p>
<p>So my experience as the mother of boys and girls is that girls are always believed, and boys pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My opinion would be the same regardless of the sex of the student.  The school&#039;s response was not reasonable based on the circumstances, and the student&#039;s rights were violated.  I might even go so far as to say students should not be stripped searched by school officials period.  Unless an offense rises to the level of calling in the police, the privacy of the student should be respected (go ahead and search the locker and backpack, and any outer garments, but let the student keep his or her clothes on).

All teens are somewhat vulnerable, especially when dealing with adults in position of authority, and should at least be allowed to contact their parents before being subject to such a high degree of suspicion and questioning (if the administration viewed this as such a big deal, why not call the parents).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My opinion would be the same regardless of the sex of the student.  The school&#8217;s response was not reasonable based on the circumstances, and the student&#8217;s rights were violated.  I might even go so far as to say students should not be stripped searched by school officials period.  Unless an offense rises to the level of calling in the police, the privacy of the student should be respected (go ahead and search the locker and backpack, and any outer garments, but let the student keep his or her clothes on).</p>
<p>All teens are somewhat vulnerable, especially when dealing with adults in position of authority, and should at least be allowed to contact their parents before being subject to such a high degree of suspicion and questioning (if the administration viewed this as such a big deal, why not call the parents).</p>
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		<title>By: Marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Her rights have definitely been violated.  Let&#039;s just hope that&#039;s the only thing that was. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her rights have definitely been violated.  Let&#8217;s just hope that&#8217;s the only thing that was. . .</p>
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