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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222711</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;report that an abu ghraib captive was crucified&lt;/strong&gt;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=14133 has article, report is in June 22 New Yorker mgazine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>report that an abu ghraib captive was crucified</strong><br />
<a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=14133" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=14133</a> has article, report is in June 22 New Yorker mgazine</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222607</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On Aug. 1, Frontier Communications changed its policy to define acceptable use for high-speed Internet as 5 GB per month. In June, Time Warner Cable launched a test program in Beaumont, Texas, that imposes monthly Internet usage limits of 5 GB to 40 GB on subscribers. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

This was in the comcast link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On Aug. 1, Frontier Communications changed its policy to define acceptable use for high-speed Internet as 5 GB per month. In June, Time Warner Cable launched a test program in Beaumont, Texas, that imposes monthly Internet usage limits of 5 GB to 40 GB on subscribers. </p></blockquote>
<p>This was in the comcast link.</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222606</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6596689.ece
&lt;strong&gt;Honduras pres ousted in military coup&lt;/strong&gt;: he had been trying to overturn prohibition on running for a second term</description>
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<strong>Honduras pres ousted in military coup</strong>: he had been trying to overturn prohibition on running for a second term</p>
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		<title>By: tango</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222602</link>
		<dc:creator>tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this on TMZ:  

&quot;President Barack Obama has written a note to Michael Jackson&#039;s family, a top White House adviser said today.&quot;

Gag. I realize that Micheal Jackson was a famous person but let&#039;s be real. His early death is not a big surprise to me considering what I knew about his medical and mental history. I figured out long ago the guy was an addict just by the freaky behavior and complaints of chronic pain.  It makes me wonder if the family of the soldier killed in Arkansas earlier this month got a sympathy letter from President Obama too?  For some reason, I doubt it.  To me, PFC Long dying on American soil by a Muslim terrorist is a much more tragic and unexpected death than that of a bankrupt, drug addicted and frankly creepy pop singer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this on TMZ:  </p>
<p>&#8220;President Barack Obama has written a note to Michael Jackson&#8217;s family, a top White House adviser said today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gag. I realize that Micheal Jackson was a famous person but let&#8217;s be real. His early death is not a big surprise to me considering what I knew about his medical and mental history. I figured out long ago the guy was an addict just by the freaky behavior and complaints of chronic pain.  It makes me wonder if the family of the soldier killed in Arkansas earlier this month got a sympathy letter from President Obama too?  For some reason, I doubt it.  To me, PFC Long dying on American soil by a Muslim terrorist is a much more tragic and unexpected death than that of a bankrupt, drug addicted and frankly creepy pop singer.</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222579</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>forgot to say, interesting to see Reid of all people getting worried!!</description>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222578</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the tiered system was what they were doing in Texas, it was the first trial of this, there was one in NC too.  It had this incredibly low cap, 5 to 40 GB/month, and no unlimited package.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/get-ready-for-metered-broadband-texas.ars
(I think original coverage of this was at techdirt or burnt orange, couldn&#039;t find where I first read about it).
imo once one service provider starts doing it as a standard practice, they&#039;ll all start doing it, else everyone would just switch.
it will be like cable tv and satellite etc: they&#039;ll price it out of a lot of people&#039;s reach, quite possibly mine.
but I think its real purpose is to cut into information gathering, blogging, and just hanging out on the net forming connections.

true about the never having had any reason to believe one&#039;s internet activities were private, but I find the spying very worrisome. AETA is already being used to charge what are essentially misdemeanor property crimes such as vandalism as federal charges such as racketeering.
I think it&#039;s only going to get worse, the more they are allowed to spy.

it seems there is no place any longer an expectation of privacy, not even in one&#039;s own home: my internet history is monitored, vans sweep our neighborhood looking for drugs with equipment that can see in our house, we&#039;re buzzed by very low flying helicopters all the time; I don&#039;t doubt it&#039;s some sort of surveillance.

I really wonder what the long term effects of constant surveillance of ordinary citizens not suspected of having done anything will be.  Remember the TruMedia thing with the spying ads at the mall?  The same technology can easily be used for personalized indoctrination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the tiered system was what they were doing in Texas, it was the first trial of this, there was one in NC too.  It had this incredibly low cap, 5 to 40 GB/month, and no unlimited package.<br />
<a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/get-ready-for-metered-broadband-texas.ars" rel="nofollow">http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/04/get-ready-for-metered-broadband-texas.ars</a><br />
(I think original coverage of this was at techdirt or burnt orange, couldn&#8217;t find where I first read about it).<br />
imo once one service provider starts doing it as a standard practice, they&#8217;ll all start doing it, else everyone would just switch.<br />
it will be like cable tv and satellite etc: they&#8217;ll price it out of a lot of people&#8217;s reach, quite possibly mine.<br />
but I think its real purpose is to cut into information gathering, blogging, and just hanging out on the net forming connections.</p>
<p>true about the never having had any reason to believe one&#8217;s internet activities were private, but I find the spying very worrisome. AETA is already being used to charge what are essentially misdemeanor property crimes such as vandalism as federal charges such as racketeering.<br />
I think it&#8217;s only going to get worse, the more they are allowed to spy.</p>
<p>it seems there is no place any longer an expectation of privacy, not even in one&#8217;s own home: my internet history is monitored, vans sweep our neighborhood looking for drugs with equipment that can see in our house, we&#8217;re buzzed by very low flying helicopters all the time; I don&#8217;t doubt it&#8217;s some sort of surveillance.</p>
<p>I really wonder what the long term effects of constant surveillance of ordinary citizens not suspected of having done anything will be.  Remember the TruMedia thing with the spying ads at the mall?  The same technology can easily be used for personalized indoctrination.</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222570</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 06:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NomNomNom, I am not worried. 

There is NO expection of privacy on the internet and I tell my end users this. The little &quot;lock&quot; on the bottom of the screen is a joke.

&lt;blockquote&gt;He said: &#039;I am embarrassed as a British citizen that this is happening while the US has drawn a very firm line to stop this.&#039;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Sir Tim Berners-Lee.
He is mistaken about the US as demonstrated by the disclosure of th installation of fiber splices installed in the ATT switch room and several dozen other locations in the USA.

The cnet article on trace back is interesting that it wants to include more than layer 3 and seeks to enter the application stack. What is interesting is that China would be able to increase it esponage activities.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The U.S. military is looking for a contractor to patrol cyberspace, watching for warning signs of forthcoming terrorist attacks or other hostile activity on the Web.&lt;/blockquote&gt; Why the US military would sub out this work is crazy. You think the DIA doesn&#039;t have this going already?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Comcast said it will amend its user agreement to say that users will be allowed 250 gigabytes of monthly usage&lt;/blockquote&gt; I am a comcast customer and was not happy to hear this but the proposal to create tiered access worries me more.

Thanks for the links. It reminded me that they used this Las Vegas to scan financial transactions;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;It seems to me that the Patriot Act &lt;a&gt;was used to circumvent existing laws&lt;/a&gt; in a case that had nothing to do with terrorism,&quot; said Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., who said he supported the passage of the act in 2001, but now has growing concerns that the FBI is overreaching.

Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., wrote a letter to Ashcroft, demanding answers to why agents used the anti-terror laws in Las Vegas.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NomNomNom, I am not worried. </p>
<p>There is NO expection of privacy on the internet and I tell my end users this. The little &#8220;lock&#8221; on the bottom of the screen is a joke.</p>
<blockquote><p>He said: &#8216;I am embarrassed as a British citizen that this is happening while the US has drawn a very firm line to stop this.&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>Sir Tim Berners-Lee.<br />
He is mistaken about the US as demonstrated by the disclosure of th installation of fiber splices installed in the ATT switch room and several dozen other locations in the USA.</p>
<p>The cnet article on trace back is interesting that it wants to include more than layer 3 and seeks to enter the application stack. What is interesting is that China would be able to increase it esponage activities.</p>
<blockquote><p>The U.S. military is looking for a contractor to patrol cyberspace, watching for warning signs of forthcoming terrorist attacks or other hostile activity on the Web.</p></blockquote>
<p> Why the US military would sub out this work is crazy. You think the DIA doesn&#8217;t have this going already?</p>
<blockquote><p>Comcast said it will amend its user agreement to say that users will be allowed 250 gigabytes of monthly usage</p></blockquote>
<p> I am a comcast customer and was not happy to hear this but the proposal to create tiered access worries me more.</p>
<p>Thanks for the links. It reminded me that they used this Las Vegas to scan financial transactions;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It seems to me that the Patriot Act <a>was used to circumvent existing laws</a> in a case that had nothing to do with terrorism,&#8221; said Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., who said he supported the passage of the act in 2001, but now has growing concerns that the FBI is overreaching.</p>
<p>Rep. Shelley Berkley, D-Nev., wrote a letter to Ashcroft, demanding answers to why agents used the anti-terror laws in Las Vegas.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222563</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:?: 
huh, mighty Spaminator added them wherever there was a www. i thought for sure I&#039;d be in moderation h#ll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_question.gif' alt=':?:' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
huh, mighty Spaminator added them wherever there was a www. i thought for sure I&#8217;d be in moderation h#ll.</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222562</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>still looking for texas, meantime (just add the http:// s):
news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10040152-38.html?tag=nl.e703  UN wants to end internet anonymity

www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2008/06/30/Analysis-US-military-to-patrol-Internet/UPI-83401214841029/    they’ll probably claim it’s for our own security
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY&amp;eurl  like this! (David Rockefeller hates you)
 
www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/technology/25iht-nettax.4.13993470.html  and they’ll tax us (like Sarkozy) 

www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=5689480&amp;page=1 and limit our access  (here, in America)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161215/Internet-ad-tracking-spy-camera-homes-millions-warns-founder-web.html?ITO=1490  and spy on us through it (UK already has deep packet inspection, just like Iran)

rawstory.com/news/2008/Cybersecurity_Act_seeks_broad_powers_0413.html
or just shut it down when they want to shut us up

u worRied yit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>still looking for texas, meantime (just add the http:// s):<br />
news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10040152-38.html?tag=nl.e703  UN wants to end internet anonymity</p>
<p><a href="http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2008/06/30/Analysis-US-military-to-patrol-Internet/UPI-83401214841029/" rel="nofollow">http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2008/06/30/Analysis-US-military-to-patrol-Internet/UPI-83401214841029/</a>    they’ll probably claim it’s for our own security<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY&amp;eurl" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct9xzXUQLuY&amp;eurl</a>  like this! (David Rockefeller hates you)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/technology/25iht-nettax.4.13993470.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/technology/25iht-nettax.4.13993470.html</a>  and they’ll tax us (like Sarkozy) </p>
<p><a href="http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=5689480&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=5689480&amp;page=1</a> and limit our access  (here, in America)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161215/Internet-ad-tracking-spy-camera-homes-millions-warns-founder-web.html?ITO=1490" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161215/Internet-ad-tracking-spy-camera-homes-millions-warns-founder-web.html?ITO=1490</a>  and spy on us through it (UK already has deep packet inspection, just like Iran)</p>
<p>rawstory.com/news/2008/Cybersecurity_Act_seeks_broad_powers_0413.html<br />
or just shut it down when they want to shut us up</p>
<p>u worRied yit?</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222558</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tek ma&#039;tek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tek ma&#8217;tek.</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222557</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I follow his writing at globalresearch, he&#039;s very interesting
what bothers me most is that the fema detention centers are on military bases: perhaps automatically controlled via martial law; the cmus are prisons within prisons that don&#039;t have normal access, even if they&#039;re not high security.
imo we&#039;ve reached the start of our own gulags, even without guantanamo, or bagram, or the rest of our internment facilities
nq needs a dark net, lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I follow his writing at globalresearch, he&#8217;s very interesting<br />
what bothers me most is that the fema detention centers are on military bases: perhaps automatically controlled via martial law; the cmus are prisons within prisons that don&#8217;t have normal access, even if they&#8217;re not high security.<br />
imo we&#8217;ve reached the start of our own gulags, even without guantanamo, or bagram, or the rest of our internment facilities<br />
nq needs a dark net, lol</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222554</link>
		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/canada_net_censorship.html
this isn&#039;t the texas thing, but it&#039;s the same plan supposedly going to be implemented in canada, uses their bell canada; article says it&#039;s planned here too</description>
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this isn&#8217;t the texas thing, but it&#8217;s the same plan supposedly going to be implemented in canada, uses their bell canada; article says it&#8217;s planned here too</p>
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		<title>By: NomNomNom</title>
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		<dc:creator>NomNomNom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>omg, I loved those movies when they came out!!
I&#039;ll try and find it: I read about this maybe 6mths, yr ago?, blogged about over at he old sp; maybe I&#039;ve still got a link somewhere</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>omg, I loved those movies when they came out!!<br />
I&#8217;ll try and find it: I read about this maybe 6mths, yr ago?, blogged about over at he old sp; maybe I&#8217;ve still got a link somewhere</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/06/27/a-bit-of-a-departure-open-thread/#comment-1222547</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?? Curiosity...&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yczKwVErQQ&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;need Input Input!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?? Curiosity&#8230;<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yczKwVErQQ&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">need Input Input!</a></p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=6169&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michel Chossudovsky&lt;/a&gt; has good write up on this.

Unrestricted powers are granted to the White House. The President would have the authority to suspend  civilian law enforcement at the federal and state levels and call in the Military, which would be in charge of  suppressing &quot;domestic violence&quot; &quot;insurrection&quot;( e.g. public rallies), or &quot;conspiracy&quot;, meaning anybody who might express dissent, indignation or opposition to the Bush Administration for having scrapped the Constitution.

With BO seeking to retain Bush&#039;s &quot;Unitarian Executive&quot; model, I wouldn&#039;t put it past him to use these laws.
Still it appears that Janet took away an assett and Gates wants it.
It remains to be seen if DoD will be willing to support this mission. Thanks for the reminder NomNomNom that we live in uncertian times. It is very easy to drift back to the &quot;way things should be&quot; as a default point of reference.
Which is the way to the dark side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=6169" rel="nofollow">Michel Chossudovsky</a> has good write up on this.</p>
<p>Unrestricted powers are granted to the White House. The President would have the authority to suspend  civilian law enforcement at the federal and state levels and call in the Military, which would be in charge of  suppressing &#8220;domestic violence&#8221; &#8220;insurrection&#8221;( e.g. public rallies), or &#8220;conspiracy&#8221;, meaning anybody who might express dissent, indignation or opposition to the Bush Administration for having scrapped the Constitution.</p>
<p>With BO seeking to retain Bush&#8217;s &#8220;Unitarian Executive&#8221; model, I wouldn&#8217;t put it past him to use these laws.<br />
Still it appears that Janet took away an assett and Gates wants it.<br />
It remains to be seen if DoD will be willing to support this mission. Thanks for the reminder NomNomNom that we live in uncertian times. It is very easy to drift back to the &#8220;way things should be&#8221; as a default point of reference.<br />
Which is the way to the dark side.</p>
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