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Bush Power Grabs Exceeded Only by Obama’s

Three days go, WaPo wrote that the Obama administration was considering an executive order on [keeping in place] “prolonged” detention.

Obama administration officials, fearing a battle with Congress that could stall plans to close the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, are crafting language for an executive order that would reassert presidential authority to incarcerate terrorism suspects indefinitely, according to three senior government officials with knowledge of White House deliberations.

Such an order would embrace claims by former president George W. Bush that certain people can be detained without trial for long periods under the laws of war. Obama advisers are concerned that an order, which would bypass Congress, could place the president on weaker footing before the courts and anger key supporters, the officials said.

I like the way the piece suggestes Obama retaining the “authority to incarcerate terrorism suspects indefinitely” is only because Congress “could stall plans to close . . . Guantanamo Bay.” I’m sure if Congress hopped to Obama’s tune, he’d relinquish that argument, right?? Close Guantanamo tomorrow, right? It’s all Congress’ fault, after all.

Heh. “Anger key supporters.” No kidding. LOTS of ‘bots bought the statement that BO would remove all that was Bush. Not so fast. Still, the WaPo piece has all the feel of a “trial balloon” designed to gauge public acceptance of an idea before actually doing it.

Glenn Greenwald at Salon agrees, but offers some other interesting points.

If you’re interested, do read it. I’ve taken very little and it’s pretty good.

Anonymous trial balloon articles like this one are difficult to comment on because it’s obviously designed to announce that a certain policy is being considered before it’s actually written, and so none of the key details is known. Would Obama’s new detention powers apply only to current “War on Terror” prisoners at places like Guantanamo and Bagram, or would they also apply to future, not-yet-abducted detainees as well? Would these powers apply to detainees picked up anywhere in the world, far away from “war zones”? Would there be any judicial review or other meaningful oversight provisions so that — even in theory — this was something other than the unilateral, unchecked presidential power to detain indefinitely without charges? None of these important details is known (though the article notes that, under one White House proposal, “ongoing detention would be subject to annual presidential review”; the Emperor, sitting alone, will decree once a year whether they must remain in a cage).

Greenwald takes issue with the WaPo article also as sloppy journalism and he’s got a point. He says as a “trial balloon,” the WaPo story is hard to evalutate. But he then outlines what he sees as a pattern of behavior from the BO administration. Greenwald says the BO will work with appropriate agencies and within established practice as long as it gives him what he wants. When it doesn’t, he’ll do an end run.

There has now emerged a very clear — and very disturbing — pattern whereby Obama is willing to use legal mechanisms and recognize the authority of other branches only if he’s assured that he’ll get the outcome he wants. If he can’t get what he wants from those processes, he’ll just assert Bush-like unilateral powers to bypass those processes and do what he wants anyway. In other words, what distinguishes Obama from the first-term Bush is that Obama is willing to indulge the charade that Congress, the courts and the rule of law have some role to play in political outcomes as long as they give him the power he wants. But where those processes impede Obama’s will, he’ll just bypass them and assert the unilateral power to do what he wants anyway (by contrast, the first-term Bush was unwilling to go to Congress to get expanded powers even where Congress was eager to give them to him; the second-term Bush, like Obama, was willing to allow Congress to endorse his radical proposals: hence, the Military Commissions Act, the Protect America Act, the FISA Amendments Act, etc.).

Czars anyone? I mentioned this possibility myself back in January, suggesting that Obama might “fill [cabinet] slots as necessary for political cover and set up a more loyal organization outside official channels.” Then I wondered:

As a practical matter, who do these czars report to? Will they have their own staff? If a local government or, heaven forbid, a citizen wants help on climate change, who ya gonna call? Whose paperwork are you going to fill out and who will be accountable to you? When the office of the czar inevitably points a finger at an existing agency and the agency points to the czar, what will get done?

Back to Greenwald:

This [bypassing other authority and asserting unilateral authority] was also the mentality that shaped Obama’s “civil liberties” speech generally and his “prolonged detention” policy specifically. In that speech, Obama movingly assured us that some of the Guantanamo detainees will be tried in a real court — i.e., only those the DOJ is certain ahead of time they can convict. For those about whom there’s uncertainty, he’s going to create new military commissions to make it easier to obtain convictions, and then try some of the detainees there — i.e., only those they are certain ahead of time they can convict there. For the rest — meaning those about whom Obama can’t be certain he’ll get the outcome he wants in a judicial proceeding or military commission — he’ll just keep them locked up anyway. In other words, he’ll indulge the charade that people he wants to keep in a cage are entitled to some process (a real court or military commissions) only where he knows in advance he will get what he wants; where he doesn’t know that, he’ll bypass those pretty processes and assert the unilateral right to keep them imprisoned anyway.

A government that will give you a trial before imprisoning you only where it knows ahead of time it will win — and, where it doesn’t know that, will just imprison you without a trial — isn’t a government that believes in due process. It’s one that believes in show trials.

And here again, with this Executive Order proposal, we see this same mentality at play. According to the Post article, one motive behind the Executive Order is that “White House officials are increasingly worried that reaching quick agreement with Congress on a new detention system may be impossible.” In other words: we’ll be happy to work with Congress as long as they give us what we want; if they don’t, we’ll just do it anyway using unilateral presidential powers. It’s certainly possible — in fact, I’d say it’s likely — that if Congress passes a preventive detention law, it will be even more Draconian than the one Obama wants. But a President who recognizes Congressional authority only when he likes the outcome — and ignores it when he doesn’t — isn’t a President who actually recognizes Congressional authority at all.

Oh SNAP!!

Greenwald also directed readers to a Rachel Maddow piece (I know, I know) that takes issue with Obama on nearly identical grounds. Worth viewing.

Most of this story was lost in the flurry of Michael Jackson coverage. Still, to anyone paying the least amount of attention, BO’s moves here should not have been a surprise at all. Obama has deliberately asserted that the public has no right to examine his past in the same manner as other candidates. He established something of a shadow cabinet by creating so many czars that he can bypass many if not most of the established agencies and levers of US government. Really, the guy has been saying “do as I say, not as I do” all along. Some just didn’t want to hear it.

So, when is Obama NOT Bush? When he goes to church.

According to Time:

Now, in an unexpected move, Obama has told White House aides that instead of joining a congregation in Washington, D.C., he will follow in George W. Bush’s footsteps and make his primary place of worship Evergreen Chapel, the nondenominational church at Camp David.

Oh, snap.

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Comment by mark connette | 2009-06-30 07:23:14

start the impeachment…

Comment by Texas Playwright | 2009-06-30 09:19:09

 

Comment by politicalidentitycrisis | 2009-06-30 10:01:18

In other words: we’ll be happy to work with Congress as long as they give us what we want; if they don’t, we’ll just do it anyway using unilateral presidential powers.

Sounds similar to the Honduras story, no?

Comment by jwrjr | 2009-06-30 16:17:27

That’s why Ozero likes Zelaya so much.

 
 

Comment by foxyladi14 | 2009-06-30 18:06:21

yesterday…

 
 

Comment by tzada | 2009-06-30 08:47:31

Comment by Kristen | 2009-06-30 09:20:34

My whole family will be attending a Tea Party in OHIO July 4th! We have several to choose from. That is a good sign.

 
 

Comment by NomNomNom | 2009-06-30 09:28:38

jeebus, even my comments about being spammed are spammed. :roll:

 

Comment by trixta | 2009-06-30 09:40:12

Although some of the Bots are waking up, they’re “still happy BO is prez.” I guess they’re clinging to the HOPE that BO will be the president they thought they voted for.

Yes, I’ll be joining my local Tea Party too.

 

Comment by tzada | 2009-06-30 09:56:47

Go to today’s Drudge Report for some dead cold eyes.
The eyes are the windows of the soul.

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Comment by politicalidentitycrisis | 2009-06-30 10:09:08

Bottom left pic he looks stoned.

He is definitely evil. WTF were people thinking?

I certainly hope for those seriously disappointed in this fraud after believing in him that they never choose the “cool” or “popular” candidate again. Choose wisely. That should be Hillary’s campaign slogan in 2012!

Comment by candymarl | 2009-06-30 11:04:14

I don’t know what people were thinking. As far as I can see “Anybody But Bush” morphed into “Anybody But Hillary”.

The anger and disappointment with Bush, from both sides of the aisle, was overwhelming. People wanted a ‘feel good’ President not a ‘do good’ President. Looks like they got what they wanted – for awhile.

Comment by jbjd | 2009-06-30 12:47:45

Yes, but, I fear that as the zealots who championed BO wake up to the horrific consequences of their ignorance, they will seek out a scapegoat to assuage their shame. And there will be Hillary, pilloried first because she opposed him and now, because she did not stop (them for voting for) him.

 

Comment by trixta | 2009-06-30 23:55:15

Obama and the neo-left morphed HRC to GWB, but in reality he was and is the reincarnation of GWB.

 
 

Comment by mark connette | 2009-06-30 12:23:36

As long as hillary remains sec. of state….no way in hell she runs in 2012.

Comment by politicalidentitycrisis | 2009-06-30 15:07:42

Well somebody other than this bozo better run!

 

Comment by Ani | 2009-06-30 15:25:34

Oh please. No one runs against the incumbent anyway. She would be excoriated in the press all over again. She would never challenge him for the office in 2012 and you know it — whether she’s the secy of state or not.

There would literally have to be a huge Draft Hillary movement outside of anything she herself participated in and an enormous hue and cry from the voters (and the party) for his ouster – and that ain’t gonna happen. Axelrod and Co. will be playing the race card all day long over that one.

Comment by Onofre's arm | 2009-06-30 20:38:52

Obama is shaping up to be a miserable failure. If it gets bad enough and his approval numbers drop into the sub 30’s, he may pull an LBJ and not run again in 2012. Of course, the country will be in smoking ruins and nobody may want to be president.

Comment by Naomi | 2009-06-30 23:58:50

and just how is he turning out to be a failure?? Hillary would have done anything so differently? doubt it. you are all just ignorant haters who will never give the man an oz of credit. he is popular – get it?? the rest of the country does NOT hate him like you do and don’t judge what others are thinking by what the blogs tell you. that is not mainstream america.

Comment by Onofre's arm | 2009-07-02 00:52:58

Poor Naomi, you can add your name to the ever shortening list of mindless boo boo Barry supporters that are becoming more shrill and desperate in defense of a frightened little Narcissistic man-child. No matter how bad things get there will always be Naomi’s, just like there may always be Hitler loving Nazis.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Onofre's arm | 2009-06-30 11:31:53

The eyes are certainly the window to the soul.

 
 

Comment by mark connette | 2009-06-30 12:21:00

Bush left about a 1 trillion debt, obama is going to leave around 12 trillion in debt{at least} and thats being conservative}. In 2010, the republicans will gain roughly 40 house seats. { thats also a conservative number} The democrats will fall under their own weight. Im not sure about the senate races in 2010. And it looks likely that republicans will win governerships in at least 3 states. new jersey, virginia, and ohio. and if guliani runs in new york. he will win that. Thats the only hope America has to stop the obama agenda. I am aware of the left leaning nature of this website, but even the folks know here that electing republicans is the only way to stop obama and his socialist plans. I cant think of any democrats that will stand up to obama. so it might be a wise decision for moderate democrats to vote for the republican candidates in 2010…if they truly want to stop obama…

Comment by Docelder | 2009-06-30 13:06:57

How I miss the “do nothing” congress. Voting on these bills without them even being proofread should be an impeachable offense for these congressmen. They should at least have to maintain the image of propriety. Currently, they don’t even have to do that much.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-30 19:55:16

Yeah–seems to me the Patriot Last Refuge of Scoundrels Act was passed without so much as a spell-check. There’s a lot of shiftless House and Senate members on both sides of the aisle, present and past. The question remains, what is the electorate going to do about it? Swing back to the extreme right again, only to have the old problems resurface?

 
 

Comment by Ani | 2009-06-30 19:46:14

How funny that you call this site left-leaning. All last year we were accused of being Republicans!

 
 

Comment by jbjd | 2009-06-30 13:06:52

LisaB, what I like most about seeing that powerful Rachael Maddow piece again – I first saw it on this site weeks ago, and would not have viewed MSNBC otherwise – is that, it appears to me, Ms. Maddow’s upset at BO’s proposed rationale for preventive detention is based primarily on the illegality of the proposal and not on his hypocrisy in opposing GWB or, her failure to see through him before now.

 

Comment by NomNomNom | 2009-06-30 13:31:25

Bush and now BHO are run by the same people. The Bush policies are the foundation of the BHO policies. We need to get rid of all of both these parties and everyone in them, but mostly we need to get rid of the defense-war-mongering fascist-contractor-financial institutions-megacorporations-Saudi Arabians who own us.

 

Comment by trixta | 2009-06-30 14:55:38

Absolutely, Nom. BO/GWB are the flipsides of the same fascist coin.

PUMA forever.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-30 18:34:48

It is worse than that. Imagine a straight line with the left margin representing the morons who voted for That One and the right margin representing the other morons who voted for Bush.

Now bring those two ends together–that is where That One resides. He is a “leader” like no other. He has brought together the worst of both worlds into a 7th-Circle-of-Hell singularity. Aside from being unqualified and unfit–this very proposition makes That One dangerous beyond measure.

Comment by NomNomNom | 2009-06-30 20:43:04

yes exactly. The msm gives him a left veneer with his Sí, se puede lying rhetoric: promises of health care reform, LGBT rights, tax reform: the first arm of the pincer;
but scratch him and he is far right: warmonger, FISA, deciding vote on Bush’s Clean Air Act, supporter of Cheney’s Energy bill, Bushlike associations with the Saudis: the right arm of the pincer.
There’s a martial arts saying about the sun punch: the one hand lies and the other hand tells the truth: that’s BHO.
He is a neocon mole.

 
 
 

Comment by Ani | 2009-06-30 15:26:50

LisaB, excellent article. Thank you.

 

Comment by Linda Anselmi | 2009-06-30 16:08:08

Thank you LisaB!

Well done! This is a huge issue and the MSM are doing their best to ignore it.

 

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-30 18:28:32

Another power grab–This comes as no surprise to anyone with a modicum of intelligence, an ear for absurd promises, and an ability to see beyond partisan politics and move past selective indifference. This is just another brick laid in the ongoing construction of a path to hell that we make for ourselves each time we vote for party, self interest, or dogma. I smell sulfur.

Comment by Animal Control | 2009-06-30 19:42:15

Is this the Devil of which you speak?

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-30 20:04:25

Yep-those who believe blindly, without understanding the consequences are paving their own way to perdition’s flames. That One and Shrub didn’t get there by themselves.

Comment by PainkillerJayne | 2009-06-30 20:20:51

I am so glad I didn’t blindly follow the DEMS :P

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-06-30 20:37:34

Evening, PK and for sure. I’m also glad I didn’t follow the predecessor. No vote from me for either one of the bastards clown-shoed ones.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by NomNomNom | 2009-07-01 10:17:13

A great example of this can be found in this article on BHO’s signing statements:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/107892
The signing statements refer to H.R. 2346, the Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2009, which bill can be found here:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-2346
And the signing statements themselves at:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Statement-from-the-President-upon-signing-HR-2346/

In the parts he says he has no intention of following are included: transparency issues concerning the IMF,World Bank, and multilateral banks; and also SOS Clinton’s recommendations regarding loans to countries with a tendency towards terrorism.

“‘SEC. 1627. ENHANCING THE TRANSPARENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THE INSPECTION PANEL PROCESS OF THE WORLD BANK.

‘(a) Enhancing Transparency in Implementation of Management Action Plans- The Secretary of the Treasury shall direct the United States Executive Directors at the World Bank to seek to ensure that World Bank Procedure 17.55, which establishes the operating procedures of Management with regard to the Inspection Panel, provides that Management prepare and make available to the public semiannual progress reports describing implementation of Action Plans considered by the Board; allow and receive comments from Requesters and other Affected Parties for two months after the date of disclosure of the progress reports; post these comments on World Bank and Inspection Panel websites (after receiving permission from the requestors to post with or without attribution); submit the reports to the Board with any comments received; and make public the substance of any actions taken by the Board after Board consideration of the reports.”

“multilateral development bank reform

Sec. 1112. (a) Budget Disclosure- The Secretary of the Treasury shall seek to ensure that the multilateral development banks make timely, public disclosure of their operating budgets including expenses for staff, consultants, travel and facilities.”

“Sec. 1404. Title XVI of the International Financial Institutions Act (22 U.S.C. 262p-262p-8) is amended by adding at the end the following: ‘The Secretary of the Treasury shall instruct the United States Executive Director at each of the International Financial Institutions (as defined in section 1701(c)(2) of this Act) to use the voice and vote of the United States to oppose the provision of loans or other use of the funds of the respective institution to any country the government of which the Secretary of State has determined, for purposes of section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act of 1979, section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, or section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, to be a government that has repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism.’.”

among other things.

 

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