Comments on: 2nd Thread: Palin to Step Down as Governor at the End of July…”Open Thread* [Updated by Larry Johnson] http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:38:09 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: NomNomNom http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225955 NomNomNom Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:39:00 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225955 it also says they started trying to seize the land first from the Nature Conservancy and Lundgren with a lawsuit <strong>in 1999:</strong> a lawsuit that she <strong>lost</strong>. She was willing to engage in a lawsuit to force someone to turn over their land that dragged on between 2 and 3 years to get the property: there may be a technical difference in that and the eminent domain that followed but there is certainly not a moral one. After she left they had no choice but to sue for condemnation of the property: they were already building on it which she had signed off on: none of that construction could have commenced without work orders, and payments. <strong>The court would not have allowed the condemnation if they had not already built upon it.</strong> that's no misstep, that's a plan. The lawsuit from her action dragged on for years and cost well over a million for a piece of property they might have got for a tenth of what they ultimately paid. <strong>Bad judgment, worse ethics.</strong> I wonder that you can make excuses for it. it also says they started trying to seize the land first from the Nature Conservancy and Lundgren with a lawsuit in 1999: a lawsuit that she lost. She was willing to engage in a lawsuit to force someone to turn over their land that dragged on between 2 and 3 years to get the property: there may be a technical difference in that and the eminent domain that followed but there is certainly not a moral one.
After she left they had no choice but to sue for condemnation of the property: they were already building on it which she had signed off on: none of that construction could have commenced without work orders, and payments. The court would not have allowed the condemnation if they had not already built upon it. that’s no misstep, that’s a plan. The lawsuit from her action dragged on for years and cost well over a million for a piece of property they might have got for a tenth of what they ultimately paid.
Bad judgment, worse ethics.
I wonder that you can make excuses for it.

]]> By: Allison http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225860 Allison Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:51:16 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225860 <blockquote>Could this mean that she would support HRC’s run for POTUS in 2012 or 2016?</blockquote> Hillary isn't running for POTUS in 2012. She will be 69 in 2016, and it is incredibly unlikely she'll run then either. She still has a long career in politics, but her time to run for POTUS has come and gone; same goes for Palin. Find other women to support in 2012 and 2016.

Could this mean that she would support HRC’s run for POTUS in 2012 or 2016?

Hillary isn’t running for POTUS in 2012. She will be 69 in 2016, and it is incredibly unlikely she’ll run then either.

She still has a long career in politics, but her time to run for POTUS has come and gone; same goes for Palin.

Find other women to support in 2012 and 2016.

]]> By: NomNomNom http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225822 NomNomNom Mon, 06 Jul 2009 22:15:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225822 Mayoral races in Alaska are nonpartisan: they are not backed by the dem and repub parties. But Palin was: gop ran smear ads against her opponent. She is a long range plan started a long time ago. They didn't pick Alaska for no reason either: look up UNCLOS 4, and look at the planetary geography. She most certainly did not come out of nowhere all on her own. I have no idea when McCain found out she would be his vp, but her backers certainly had decided before March. There is wholesale denial on this blog just who is behind her. Do you have any idea who Scheunemann is? Do some intensive research and go back well before his associations with McCain who fired him when he found his allegiance was with Palin. I am telling you seriously that Palin is the next BHO. Immediately behind her are the neocons: Kristol, Kagan, Gaffney, Black, Cheney, there's a million of them on record in both articles and videos supporting her. But behind them: defense contractors, financial institutions, giant corporations: these are the same people who are behind BHO. They are not on opposite sides. There are no 2 parties. And if she joins a 3rd party it will be the Constitution party (of which AIP is a subset) which is already being run by moles (as are the Libertarians). Or else you will miraculously see a shiny new one spring up out of the tea party movement, whose members may be sincere but whose leadership assuredly is not. Mayoral races in Alaska are nonpartisan: they are not backed by the dem and repub parties. But Palin was: gop ran smear ads against her opponent. She is a long range plan started a long time ago. They didn’t pick Alaska for no reason either: look up UNCLOS 4, and look at the planetary geography.
She most certainly did not come out of nowhere all on her own. I have no idea when McCain found out she would be his vp, but her backers certainly had decided before March.
There is wholesale denial on this blog just who is behind her. Do you have any idea who Scheunemann is? Do some intensive research and go back well before his associations with McCain who fired him when he found his allegiance was with Palin. I am telling you seriously that Palin is the next BHO. Immediately behind her are the neocons: Kristol, Kagan, Gaffney, Black, Cheney, there’s a million of them on record in both articles and videos supporting her. But behind them: defense contractors, financial institutions, giant corporations: these are the same people who are behind BHO. They are not on opposite sides. There are no 2 parties. And if she joins a 3rd party it will be the Constitution party (of which AIP is a subset) which is already being run by moles (as are the Libertarians). Or else you will miraculously see a shiny new one spring up out of the tea party movement, whose members may be sincere but whose leadership assuredly is not.

]]> By: inconsiderable wretch http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225750 inconsiderable wretch Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:49:40 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225750 You're right on target again. And let's have a full disclosure of medical records; trips to what countries under what passports and aliases, etc. You’re right on target again. And let’s have a full disclosure of medical records; trips to what countries under what passports and aliases, etc.

]]> By: inconsiderable wretch http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225743 inconsiderable wretch Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:34:22 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225743 Yes, this question keeps bothering me; and also the question of who was pulling the strings at Harvard when the editorial board selected BHO as editor, and a bit later who was behind the scenes when the hiring committee at UofC selected Obama out of the pool of applicants and how did his name get in the picture in the first place--in fact, was there a pool of applicants for the position or was it created especially for him in order to give a specious credibility to this otherwise undistinguished person? Yes, this question keeps bothering me; and also the question of who was pulling the strings at Harvard when the editorial board selected BHO as editor, and a bit later who was behind the scenes when the hiring committee at UofC selected Obama out of the pool of applicants and how did his name get in the picture in the first place–in fact, was there a pool of applicants for the position or was it created especially for him in order to give a specious credibility to this otherwise undistinguished person?

]]> By: trixta http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225742 trixta Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:33:40 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225742 Palin said in her speech, however, that she would support (or work with) candidates on the issues regardless of party affiliation. Could this mean that she would support HRC's run for POTUS in 2012 or 2016? In any case, I would like to see them on a national panel concerning the sexism and misogyny in this culture, especially at the level of national politics. That would be something to behold! Palin said in her speech, however, that she would support (or work with) candidates on the issues regardless of party affiliation. Could this mean that she would support HRC’s run for POTUS in 2012 or 2016?

In any case, I would like to see them on a national panel concerning the sexism and misogyny in this culture, especially at the level of national politics. That would be something to behold!

]]> By: trixta http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225735 trixta Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:24:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225735 Yeah, there is nothing left to defend except their love for their cool Messiah. Yeah, there is nothing left to defend except their love for their cool Messiah.

]]> By: trixta http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225725 trixta Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:08:09 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225725 Slime Tyranny, both my husband and I are in academia, so I do know what I'm talking about. First of all, the article's use of the term professor ("served as professor") not only is sloppy, but misleading, since the term is used to puff up dishonestly Obama's resume. Furthermore, according to this very article, Obama's teaching record does NOT show that he held any of the official rankings of a Professorship. Instead Obama was ranked officially as a Lecturer (1992-96) & then as a Senior Lecturer (1996-04) at the U of Chicago Law School. 2. That Obama declined invitations to join the faculty in a tenure-track capacity, proves that he did not hold the official title of Professor, but rather chose to remain a Senior Lecturer (for whatever personal reasons). 3. Being a member of a faculty and being “regarded as a professor” (such collegiality is common at universities), does not mean that he held the official title of “Professor.” He was officially a Senior Lecturer, and that’s that. Until his teaching record shows otherwise, I stand by my argument. Slime Tyranny, both my husband and I are in academia, so I do know what I’m talking about. First of all, the article’s use of the term professor (”served as professor”) not only is sloppy, but misleading, since the term is used to puff up dishonestly Obama’s resume. Furthermore, according to this very article, Obama’s teaching record does NOT show that he held any of the official rankings of a Professorship. Instead Obama was ranked officially as a Lecturer (1992-96) & then as a Senior Lecturer (1996-04) at the U of Chicago Law School.

2. That Obama declined invitations to join the faculty in a tenure-track capacity, proves that he did not hold the official title of Professor, but rather chose to remain a Senior Lecturer (for whatever personal reasons).

3. Being a member of a faculty and being “regarded as a professor” (such collegiality is common at universities), does not mean that he held the official title of “Professor.” He was officially a Senior Lecturer, and that’s that.

Until his teaching record shows otherwise, I stand by my argument.

]]> By: trixta http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225709 trixta Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:33:56 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225709 Slime Tyranny, both my husband and I are in academia, so I do know what I'm talking about. And thanks! Your article proves my very argument! First of all, the use of the term professor ("served as professor") is not just sloppy, but downright misleading, since it is a dishonest attempt to puff up Obama's resume. In fact, as cited in this very article, his teaching record does NOT show that he held any of the official rankings of a Professorship. Instead Obama was ranked officially as a Lecturer (1992-96) & then as a Senior Lecturer (1996-04) at the U of Chicago Law School. 2. That Obama declined invitations to join the faculty in a tenure-track capacity, proves that he <strong>did not</strong> hold the official title of Professor, but rather chose to remain a Senior Lecturer (for whatever personal reasons). 3. Being a member of a faculty and being "regarded as a professor" (such collegiality is common at universities), does not mean that he held the official title of "Professor." He was officially a Senior Lecturer, and that's that. Until his teaching record shows otherwise, I stand by my argument. Slime Tyranny, both my husband and I are in academia, so I do know what I’m talking about.

And thanks! Your article proves my very argument! First of all, the use of the term professor (”served as professor”) is not just sloppy, but downright misleading, since it is a dishonest attempt to puff up Obama’s resume. In fact, as cited in this very article, his teaching record does NOT show that he held any of the official rankings of a Professorship. Instead Obama was ranked officially as a Lecturer (1992-96) & then as a Senior Lecturer (1996-04) at the U of Chicago Law School.

2. That Obama declined invitations to join the faculty in a tenure-track capacity, proves that he did not hold the official title of Professor, but rather chose to remain a Senior Lecturer (for whatever personal reasons).

3. Being a member of a faculty and being “regarded as a professor” (such collegiality is common at universities), does not mean that he held the official title of “Professor.” He was officially a Senior Lecturer, and that’s that. Until his teaching record shows otherwise, I stand by my argument.

]]> By: justme_kc http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225695 justme_kc Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:13:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225695 how did Obama get a US passport without a birth certificate? how did Obama get a US passport without a birth certificate?

]]> By: trixta http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225690 trixta Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:05:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225690 Slime Tyranny, both my husband (Professor Emeritus and I, a PhD Candidate) are in academia, so I do know what I'm talking about. And thanks! Your article proves my very point! First of all, its use of the term professor ("served as professor") is not just sloppy, but downright misleading. This article is using the term in a dishonest fashion to prop up their homey. Indeed, as cited in this very article Obama's teaching record does NOT show that he held any of the official ranks of a Professorship. Instead Obama was ranked officially as a Lecturer (1992-96) & then a Senior Lecturer (1996-04) at the U of Chicago Law School. 2. That Obama declined invitations to join the faculty in a tenure-track capacity, proves that he strong>did not hold the official title of Professor, but rather kept his Senior Lecturer status (for whatever personal reason). 3. Being a member of the faculty and "regarded as a professor" is fine and dandy (such collegiality is common at universities), but it does NOT mean that Obama held the official title of "Professor." He was a Senior Lecturer, and that's that. Until Obama's official teaching record shows otherwise, I stand by my argument. Slime Tyranny, both my husband (Professor Emeritus and I, a PhD Candidate) are in academia, so I do know what I’m talking about.

And thanks! Your article proves my very point! First of all, its use of the term professor (”served as professor”) is not just sloppy, but downright misleading. This article is using the term in a dishonest fashion to prop up their homey. Indeed, as cited in this very article Obama’s teaching record does NOT show that he held any of the official ranks of a Professorship. Instead Obama was ranked officially as a Lecturer (1992-96) & then a Senior Lecturer (1996-04) at the U of Chicago Law School.

2. That Obama declined invitations to join the faculty in a tenure-track capacity, proves that he strong>did not hold the official title of Professor, but rather kept his Senior Lecturer status (for whatever personal reason).

3. Being a member of the faculty and “regarded as a professor” is fine and dandy (such collegiality is common at universities), but it does NOT mean that Obama held the official title of “Professor.” He was a Senior Lecturer, and that’s that. Until Obama’s official teaching record shows otherwise, I stand by my argument.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225665 TeakWoodKite Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:23:52 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225665 She is not going because that would upstage BO from getting his international street creds... Even having SOS Clinton in the same room makes BO look like the shill he is. Every choice the crap head makes is based on his ingrown ego. Hillary won't resign unless she is asked to by BO. At this point I would read SOS Clinton between the lines. She is not going because that would upstage BO from getting his international street creds…

Even having SOS Clinton in the same room makes BO look like the shill he is.

Every choice the crap head makes is based on his ingrown ego.

Hillary won’t resign unless she is asked to by BO. At this point I would read SOS Clinton between the lines.

]]> By: TeakWoodKite http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225664 TeakWoodKite Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:15:50 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225664 Suzie Q, I am now, for the record, calling BO out as a traitor and complicit in seditious acts against the constitution of the United States and other federal laws. 1) he is not a Natural Born citizen. 2) he is guilty of fraud 3) He is a chickenshit of the first order. BO, Come down here and sue my ass for libel slander or any other thing wants. IN FACT I beg him to...HE WILL LOOSE. All opinions of this post are mine alone and do not reflect NQ's positions. Now come down here and sue me....I am waiting. Suzie Q, I am now, for the record, calling BO out as a traitor and complicit in seditious acts against the constitution of the United States and other federal laws.

1) he is not a Natural Born citizen.
2) he is guilty of fraud
3) He is a chickenshit of the first order.

BO, Come down here and sue my ass for libel slander or any other thing wants. IN FACT I beg him to…HE WILL LOOSE.

All opinions of this post are mine alone and do not reflect NQ’s positions.

Now come down here and sue me….I am waiting.

]]> By: trixta http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225632 trixta Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:57:00 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225632 Obama can't claim that he's a one-term Senator either. But perhaps in the future he will claim to be a one-term president. Obama can’t claim that he’s a one-term Senator either. But perhaps in the future he will claim to be a one-term president.

]]> By: trixta http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/04/2nd-thread-palin-to-step-down-as-governor-at-the-end-of-julyopen-thread-updated-by-larry-johnson/#comment-1225628 trixta Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:46:43 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=27300#comment-1225628 Nom, unfortunately this eminent domain strategy is being used by many municipalities across the country and is not unique to the property on which the Sports Complex in Wasilla was built. (Similar to what Sacramento, Ca is doing with certain condemned properties.) From the article (provided in your link above), it looks like the lawsuit was initiated 7 years ago in 2002. Palin was mayor from 1996-2002, and supported a half-cent tax hike to fund the stadium, which the voters approved on a city ballot. The vote on the stadium came later. Although the construction on the stadium began before all papers were signed, the eminent domain suit was initiated <strong>after</strong> Palin left office: <blockquote>After Ms. Palin left office, the city decided to take 80 acres of Mr. Lundgren’s property through eminent domain. An Alaska court confirmed the city’s right to do so and ordered that an arbitrator determine the appropriate price. </blockquote> (http://www.saysuncle.com/category/eminent_domain/) (scroll down to September 2008) I don't believe Palin's role is as cut and dried as your post implies. While I don't like that such municipal funds go to such projects, Palin is not the first mayor to support the building of a sports complex in her hometown. Nom, unfortunately this eminent domain strategy is being used by many municipalities across the country and is not unique to the property on which the Sports Complex in Wasilla was built. (Similar to what Sacramento, Ca is doing with certain condemned properties.) From the article (provided in your link above), it looks like the lawsuit was initiated 7 years ago in 2002. Palin was mayor from 1996-2002, and supported a half-cent tax hike to fund the stadium, which the voters approved on a city ballot. The vote on the stadium came later. Although the construction on the stadium began before all papers were signed, the eminent domain suit was initiated after Palin left office:

After Ms. Palin left office, the city decided to take 80 acres of Mr. Lundgren’s property through eminent domain. An Alaska court confirmed the city’s right to do so and ordered that an arbitrator determine the appropriate price.

(http://www.saysuncle.com/category/eminent_domain/)

(scroll down to September 2008)

I don’t believe Palin’s role is as cut and dried as your post implies. While I don’t like that such municipal funds go to such projects, Palin is not the first mayor to support the building of a sports complex in her hometown.

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