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		<title>By: CG</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#comment-1228256</link>
		<dc:creator>CG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 05:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; CIA's History of Lying to Congress &lt;/strong&gt;http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/071009a.html

&lt;blockquote&gt; It appears that President Obama has no desire to demand any change in the current system of intelligence community oversight. That’s unfortunate, and dangerous to our Democracy.

How can there be consent of the governed, as our Constitution demands, if the governed, or at least, their representatives, have no knowledge of what they are consenting to? &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> CIA&#8217;s History of Lying to Congress </strong><a href="http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/071009a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/071009a.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p> It appears that President Obama has no desire to demand any change in the current system of intelligence community oversight. That’s unfortunate, and dangerous to our Democracy.</p>
<p>How can there be consent of the governed, as our Constitution demands, if the governed, or at least, their representatives, have no knowledge of what they are consenting to? </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#comment-1228241</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 04:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will place it next to the pirate pennant on the Mizzen-mast since we sail in stormy seas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will place it next to the pirate pennant on the Mizzen-mast since we sail in stormy seas.</p>
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		<title>By: jwrjr</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#comment-1228237</link>
		<dc:creator>jwrjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should both take that designation from "David" as being a compliment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should both take that designation from &#8220;David&#8221; as being a compliment.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheney Told CIA To Hide Program&#8230;. Cheney Ordered CIA Concealment&#8230;. &#124; Total Info</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheney Told CIA To Hide Program&#8230;. Cheney Ordered CIA Concealment&#8230;. &#124; Total Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another theory being bandied about concerns an &#8220;executive assassination Read more at http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another theory being bandied about concerns an &#8220;executive assassination Read more at <a href="http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/" rel="nofollow">http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TeakWoodKite</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#comment-1228195</link>
		<dc:creator>TeakWoodKite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;NSA and CIA Director and Principal Deputy DNI (PDDNI) Michael V.Hayden, White House Counsel and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, FBI Director Robert Mueller, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.Certain senior officials &lt;strong&gt;either declined or did not respond to our requests to be interviewed for this review,&lt;/strong&gt; including Counsel to the Vice President David Addington, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Attorney General John Ashcroft, DOJ Office of Legal Counsel Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo, and former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet.&lt;/blockquote&gt;.CIA_Unclassified_IGreport_071109-pg. 8

So all the key players said no thanks? 
LJ, How can the classified annex be of any use? Or does one read this around the inferred edges never to know the the heart of the matter?
These people are potentially culpable in a criminal proceeding, so how can one obtain the missing information?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>NSA and CIA Director and Principal Deputy DNI (PDDNI) Michael V.Hayden, White House Counsel and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, FBI Director Robert Mueller, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.Certain senior officials <strong>either declined or did not respond to our requests to be interviewed for this review,</strong> including Counsel to the Vice President David Addington, White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Attorney General John Ashcroft, DOJ Office of Legal Counsel Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Yoo, and former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet.</p></blockquote>
<p>.CIA_Unclassified_IGreport_071109-pg. 8</p>
<p>So all the key players said no thanks?<br />
LJ, How can the classified annex be of any use? Or does one read this around the inferred edges never to know the the heart of the matter?<br />
These people are potentially culpable in a criminal proceeding, so how can one obtain the missing information?</p>
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		<title>By: CG</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#comment-1228185</link>
		<dc:creator>CG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LJ,

In so many ways I do not believe the question, did the CIA lie to Congress, is relevant as previously we‘ve concluded that the CIA is purposely not forthcoming with Congress, that the CIA is selective with the information presented to Congress, and that perhaps only a direct and detailed question by a Congress person to the CIA briefer(s) is the process to determine the truth to the scope of a CIA program when it relates to CIA briefings to members of Congress.  In other words the CIA doesn’t need to lie.  Those who attend the briefings are sworn to secrecy, both CIA and Congress are protected, and lies told or truths not revealed matter not.

I believe a better question, is it possible that Dick Cheney is capable of planning and coordinating a secret deception (or many) using the CIA or military, Judith Miller or Robert Novak, aluminum tubes or yellowcake, rendition or torture?  I would say yes.  There are perhaps many ‘ideas’ Cheney sought to employ and it is possible they were not successful or they met resistance because of their impracticality or the missions were never accomplished.  Cheney is as lawless as they get, as secretive as they get, and he can lie looking at you straight in the eye, with no guilty conscience, with no concern for the consequence, all in the name of his perverted sense of national security.  Dictators in undemocratic countries behave like Dick Cheney so excuse me if I don't buy into the bull that Cheney kept America safe, instead he and his depravity is responsible for our decline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LJ,</p>
<p>In so many ways I do not believe the question, did the CIA lie to Congress, is relevant as previously we‘ve concluded that the CIA is purposely not forthcoming with Congress, that the CIA is selective with the information presented to Congress, and that perhaps only a direct and detailed question by a Congress person to the CIA briefer(s) is the process to determine the truth to the scope of a CIA program when it relates to CIA briefings to members of Congress.  In other words the CIA doesn’t need to lie.  Those who attend the briefings are sworn to secrecy, both CIA and Congress are protected, and lies told or truths not revealed matter not.</p>
<p>I believe a better question, is it possible that Dick Cheney is capable of planning and coordinating a secret deception (or many) using the CIA or military, Judith Miller or Robert Novak, aluminum tubes or yellowcake, rendition or torture?  I would say yes.  There are perhaps many ‘ideas’ Cheney sought to employ and it is possible they were not successful or they met resistance because of their impracticality or the missions were never accomplished.  Cheney is as lawless as they get, as secretive as they get, and he can lie looking at you straight in the eye, with no guilty conscience, with no concern for the consequence, all in the name of his perverted sense of national security.  Dictators in undemocratic countries behave like Dick Cheney so excuse me if I don&#8217;t buy into the bull that Cheney kept America safe, instead he and his depravity is responsible for our decline.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheney Told CIA To Hide Program&#8230;. Did the CIA&#8230;. &#124; Total Info</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#comment-1228140</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheney Told CIA To Hide Program&#8230;. Did the CIA&#8230;. &#124; Total Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Another theory being bandied about concerns an &#8220;executive assassination Read more at http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Another theory being bandied about concerns an &#8220;executive assassination Read more at <a href="http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/" rel="nofollow">http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tillthen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#comment-1228113</link>
		<dc:creator>tillthen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I live in Hannity Country, and...?

You, I take it, live in ACORN Country?  I like where I live, howsabout you?

Tell me, what does the Nance look like, up close?  Are there more knives in her future?  That whole thing is absolutely frightening, I mean the images, y'know what I mean.  It looks like everything is getting loose again. Oy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I live in Hannity Country, and&#8230;?</p>
<p>You, I take it, live in ACORN Country?  I like where I live, howsabout you?</p>
<p>Tell me, what does the Nance look like, up close?  Are there more knives in her future?  That whole thing is absolutely frightening, I mean the images, y&#8217;know what I mean.  It looks like everything is getting loose again. Oy!</p>
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		<title>By: tillthen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#comment-1228110</link>
		<dc:creator>tillthen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, Colin Powell lost all cred to patriots.  He'll never get it back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, Colin Powell lost all cred to patriots.  He&#8217;ll never get it back.</p>
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		<title>By: Seattle Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seattle Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm really glad to see the democrats committing suicide because that's exactly what will happen to them if they open the pandora's box of investigations against those that kept us safe.
Bring it on Rats!!

Here is a comment that typifies what the Rats are facing if Holder goes forward.

&lt;blockquote&gt;My God, has the gov. completely lost it’s mind. In the last three months, I’ve lost everything and Holder is looking back. This is insane, there are so many more problems that deserve immediate attention. People on both sides are suffering. Is this a diversionary tactic? To keep the more left learners in line. We are at War!!
Sunday, July 12, 2009 at 02:44 PM  RR &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really glad to see the democrats committing suicide because that&#8217;s exactly what will happen to them if they open the pandora&#8217;s box of investigations against those that kept us safe.<br />
Bring it on Rats!!</p>
<p>Here is a comment that typifies what the Rats are facing if Holder goes forward.</p>
<blockquote><p>My God, has the gov. completely lost it’s mind. In the last three months, I’ve lost everything and Holder is looking back. This is insane, there are so many more problems that deserve immediate attention. People on both sides are suffering. Is this a diversionary tactic? To keep the more left learners in line. We are at War!!<br />
Sunday, July 12, 2009 at 02:44 PM  RR </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one lied to Congress, but Congress is certainly undermining an important agency and their vital mission with their bs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one lied to Congress, but Congress is certainly undermining an important agency and their vital mission with their bs.</p>
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		<title>By: tillthen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#comment-1228067</link>
		<dc:creator>tillthen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BOYCOTT GENERAL ELECTRIC PRODUCTS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BOYCOTT GENERAL ELECTRIC PRODUCTS</p>
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		<title>By: tillthen</title>
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		<dc:creator>tillthen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, were you the one who arranged the 400 hang-up phone calls to my home from Pelosi's office?

Nice. Fuck you and everyone who works for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, were you the one who arranged the 400 hang-up phone calls to my home from Pelosi&#8217;s office?</p>
<p>Nice. Fuck you and everyone who works for her.</p>
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		<title>By: tillthen</title>
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		<dc:creator>tillthen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oooo!  What would Panetta do if one of the agency's assets reported undeniable truth of The Turds African birth?  To whom would he bring the info?  The Senate and House leaders, Reid the bumbling fudger, and Pelosi, the lying POS?  Hmmmm.  Maybe to Holder?  Hmmm, sounds like dead-end City.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oooo!  What would Panetta do if one of the agency&#8217;s assets reported undeniable truth of The Turds African birth?  To whom would he bring the info?  The Senate and House leaders, Reid the bumbling fudger, and Pelosi, the lying POS?  Hmmmm.  Maybe to Holder?  Hmmm, sounds like dead-end City.</p>
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		<title>By: tillthen</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#comment-1228056</link>
		<dc:creator>tillthen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You'd have to be nuts to give top secret information to the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and now the biggest POS to ever come to Washington, Francken.  Oy vey!!  

Thank you Dick and George for doing your best to keep those assholes in the dark.  We were a safer nation because of it.

Pelousy.  I like that.  I'm still LMFAO at the youtube vid of her CIA speech.  The music was perfect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d have to be nuts to give top secret information to the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Frank, and now the biggest POS to ever come to Washington, Francken.  Oy vey!!  </p>
<p>Thank you Dick and George for doing your best to keep those assholes in the dark.  We were a safer nation because of it.</p>
<p>Pelousy.  I like that.  I&#8217;m still LMFAO at the youtube vid of her CIA speech.  The music was perfect.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick Cheney and the CIA, the Left&#8217;s Political Smoke Screen&#160;&#124;&#160;Conservative Political Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick Cheney and the CIA, the Left&#8217;s Political Smoke Screen&#160;&#124;&#160;Conservative Political Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Retired</title>
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		<dc:creator>Retired</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry,

Good analysis, my friend.  We don't know enough of what happened to make a well-informed judgement, so any judgement that we make at this point will just end up being a reflection of our pre-existing bias.  Bravo Zulu for having the courage to say that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>Good analysis, my friend.  We don&#8217;t know enough of what happened to make a well-informed judgement, so any judgement that we make at this point will just end up being a reflection of our pre-existing bias.  Bravo Zulu for having the courage to say that.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheney Told CIA To Hide Program&#8230;. Daily Kos: State of the Nation&#8230;. &#124; Total Info</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheney Told CIA To Hide Program&#8230;. Daily Kos: State of the Nation&#8230;. &#124; Total Info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The first is that the CIA was keeping quiet about the use of waterboarding on terrorist suspects. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said she was misled by the intelligence agency on that very subject. It&#8217;s also the story told to the Huffington Post by a source with knowledge of the letter the seven House Democrats penned to CIA chief Leon Panetta, in which they complained about being misled. . . .      Another theory being bandied about concerns an &#8220;executive assassination Read more at http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The first is that the CIA was keeping quiet about the use of waterboarding on terrorist suspects. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said she was misled by the intelligence agency on that very subject. It&#8217;s also the story told to the Huffington Post by a source with knowledge of the letter the seven House Democrats penned to CIA chief Leon Panetta, in which they complained about being misled. . . .      Another theory being bandied about concerns an &#8220;executive assassination Read more at <a href="http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/" rel="nofollow">http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WMCB</title>
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		<dc:creator>WMCB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 15:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever it was, they've taken it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever it was, they&#8217;ve taken it down.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 14:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I know why Cheney was running all over the country a couple months ago trying to cover his ass and now I know why you were all and still are putting all the blame on Pelosi and the Dems.  WHat a sorry bunch of ass-coverers you republicans turned out to be. 

Palin is the perfect representative for you, all phony cheerleader crap hiding a nasty little brain full of ugly emotions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I know why Cheney was running all over the country a couple months ago trying to cover his ass and now I know why you were all and still are putting all the blame on Pelosi and the Dems.  WHat a sorry bunch of ass-coverers you republicans turned out to be. </p>
<p>Palin is the perfect representative for you, all phony cheerleader crap hiding a nasty little brain full of ugly emotions.</p>
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