NQ First Responders – Economic News
By LisaB on July 11, 2009 at 5:01 PM in Current Affairs
I’ve been hearing more and more guardedly optimistic talk about the economy lately, so when I heard the latest jobs information (basically we’re still losing jobs at a fast rate), I really wondered. Here are three economy-related items you may find interesting: the latest from Nouriel Roubini, who says things are worse; a story about Californians getting paid in script and the banks who won’t honor it; and Time’s story about how potentially 25% of defaulting homeowners will walk away – is it true or more blame-shifting?
1) If you are interested in the economy or think things are starting to look up, as BO has said, check out the article in Forbes by Nouriel Roubini. I’m no economist, but even I knew the most recent jobs report was an ominous sign. Roubini helps to flesh out what job losses mean to the whole economy. Even if you are lucky enough to keep your job, high unemployment means problems for everyone.
The June employment report suggests that the alleged green shoots are mostly yellow weeds that may eventually turn into brown manure. The employment report shows that conditions in the labor market continue to be extremely weak, with job losses in June of over 460,000. With the current rate of job losses, it is very clear that the unemployment rate could reach 10% by later this summer–around August or September–and will be closer to 10.5%, if not 11%, by year-end. I expect the unemployment rate is going to peak at around 11% at some point in 2010, well above historical standards for even severe recessions.
Roubini goes on to discuss what kinds of jobs remain and how many people, while staving off unemployment are working part-time or are underemployed. He also says tax rebates from last year were largely saved and consumer spending is way down. With an unemployment rate of 11%, Roubini says the losses in all types of consumer loans will only increase. Housing prices are likely to fall further while housing inventory remains large.
The job market report is essentially the tip of the iceberg. It’s a significant signal of the weaknesses in the economy. It affects consumer confidence. It affects labor income. It affects consumption. It affects the willingness of firms to start increasing production. It has significant consequences of the housing market. And it has significant consequences, of course, on the banking system.
Overall, it’s an extremely weak report and suggests that weakness in the labor markets is going to continue, and that the recession is more likely to continue through the end of the year and the beginning of next year. It also suggests that recovery will be anemic, subpar, below trend. We are still estimating that U.S. growth next year is going to be 1% above the 2009 level, well below a potential growth rate of 3%. This is because there is little deleveraging of households, corporate firms and financial institutions while there is a massive re-leveraging of the public sector with sharply rising deficits and debts as many of the private losses have been socialized.
Deleveraging means people are either paying off or walking away from their debts. At the same time, the government (us) is becoming even more indebted because of spending and because government (us) is absorbing some of those private debts (think GM).
Roubini thinks the recession is likely to be the W version also called “double-dip,” with deflationary pressures for another year or so before inflation comes back.
Interesting read. Well worth your time. Go.
2) What do you do when your paycheck can’t be cashed or when direct deposit isn’t so direct? CA employees are about to find out. The LA Times reports today that some banks won’t honor the state IOUs issued in lieu of real money.
People holding California state IOUs — including taxpayers, vendors and local governments — will soon have a tougher time redeeming them, as most major banks are standing firm on a vow not to cash the vouchers after today.
Many credit unions say they will continue to redeem the IOUs for customers. But without mainstream banks as an option, recipients of the IOUs who need cash immediately could be tempted to sell them at a discount to third-party speculators, including ones popping up on the Internet.
A secondary market for IOUs at the individual level? Holy cow. At this point, the SEC did step in.
Responding to that potential, the Securities and Exchange Commission determined Thursday that the IOUs are securities under federal law, which will generally require anyone trading them for profit to be a registered securities dealer.
————“We agreed to help customers and clients on an immediate basis, but it doesn’t provide an incentive for the state to reach an agreement if we just accept the IOUs through perpetuity,” said Bank of America Corp. spokeswoman Britney Sheehan.
Last week, Bank of America said it would do the state a favor by redeeming IOUs from current customers at full value — but only until today. Other major banks quickly and begrudgingly followed suit.
Sheeesh. CA residents could get a crash course in currency trading.
3) Lastly, Time has a story about a study showing that as many as 25% of defaulters CAN pay; they just don’t CHOOSE to pay their mortgages.
Up to 26% of U.S. homeowners who stop paying their mortgage may be doing so intentionally, not because they can’t make the payments but because they don’t want to put money into a house that’s worth less than what they owe. That finding, from a paper by economists at the University of Chicago, Northwestern University and the European University Institute, raises some doubt about the approach the Obama Administration has taken toward stabilizing the housing market. The current approach focuses on whether or not homeowners can afford their monthly payments, and largely ignores the fact that some 20% of homeowners owe more than their house is worth — a situation known as negative equity, or being “underwater,” which, according to the paper’s findings, may itself trigger default.
———-“They can still afford to pay but they decide not to,” says Paola Sapienza, a finance professor at Northwestern University and one of the paper’s authors. “It’s very easy to do this in the U.S.” Even though there are serious consequences to reneging on a home loan — including wrecked credit, not being able to buy another house for years to come, the cost of moving and the social stigma associated with being a person who does not honor one’s commitments — lenders tend not to pursue former homeowners for the money they are owed because of the prohibitive cost of tracking down such people and suing them.
The article talks about when people will willingly default. But some think that number is inflated.
Christopher Foote, a senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, who studied negative equity in Massachusetts during the late 1980s and early 1990s when home prices dropped 23%, argues that most walk-aways are likely driven by the combination of two things: both negative equity and an economic hardship, such as job loss. (See 10 ways your job will change.)
More recently, Foote and his colleagues have studied patterns of mortgage nonpayment, and found that in certain states there is a disproportionate number of people who suddenly stop making payments and never try to catch up. This, they surmise, might be an indication of walk-aways — as opposed to struggling borrowers desperately trying to stay in their homes, making payments when they can. The states with more sudden stops are California, Florida, Nevada and Arizona — places where property prices have plummeted and more than 30% of homeowners are underwater. “That’s consistent with the idea that there should be more walk-aways in those states,” says Foote. “But outside of those states, I would think that walk-aways are more rare than people think.”
Walk-aways are becoming legend when discussing the economy, as if every third person under water just sends the house key to the bank. If the stories increase and government and businesses become convinced homeowners are increasingly likely to walk away, you’ll see more pressure for legislation against “irresponsible homeowners.” All things considered, I’d bet that any legislation will be beyond overkill.









































Thank you for sharing these three important stories. They confirm what I’ve believed for over two years. We are in for a depression, not a recesion. It will last a long time – certainly more than three years, perhaps longer.
I worked at an investment management firm until I got let go in July of 2008. I am now in school pursuing a nursing degree. I am fortunate that my husband is still employed, we have no debt, and we own our home. Still, it’s going to be a very, very tough couple of years for us. I am no longer certain we can ride it out. If that is the case for my household, I hate to think what it’s like for other folks.
I look back at what the research analysts at my firm used to say about the economy. It was all fluff to keep the ball in air. How can people delude themselves?
These news stories are important discussion starters for dealing with people who still refuse to accept reality. One of my favorite denial-mode statements is “it’s all cyclical.” Right.
Which pockets got lined with the porkulus money? I work for a government contractor that has a long-term contract with the government. We were also to get some of that “slush fund” but it has not appeared, even though we would be hiring new employees and using subcontractors, as well because we are swamped, as it is.
You know, bailing out companies (to the tune of billions) that screwed the pooch does not stimulate anything but my wrath.
Ferd, they are carefully timing that money flow to be released just prior to the 2010 midterms. What, you thought it was stimulus? No, dear, it is graft money to get thrown around and make things look temporarily better just before an election year.
If the plan was to stimulate the economy, they would have dispersed most of it by now. If the plan is to use it to buy another election, it has to be released at the right time.
These are important articles, Lisa. I read the Roubini piece this morning. It’s not a feel-good article but a wake-up call. Of course, Roubini has been referred to as “Dr. Doom.” The only problem with the jest is that he’s been accurate.
The walk-away phenomenom has been going on in Florida for months, according to my sister. She said it’s very weird and sad to see these homes that only a few short years ago were flying up non-stop, now vacated or occupied by squatters.
I thought one of the scariest predictions that Roubini made was that home prices could fall as much as 45% before this is all over. Even for those who have been in their homes for a stretch that decline could send many, many homeowners underwater.
It’s grim. There are people out there who are actually reporting the numbers, banging the drum on this mess. But I haven’t heard a lot from the MSM. It’s one of the reasons the “happy-talk” spin drives me absolutely crazy. We’re being treated like children with the government saying, “now, now, it will be okay, we have it under control, we’re turning a corner.”
Perhaps, this recent spate of coverage will start a real discussion in the public and private arena, instead of the bubblegum daydreams and endless slogans that serve no one’s interests. Sadly for California, it may be the canary in the coal mine. There are a number of states teetering on the same financial disaster.
I own a medium sized business in California and pay full employee health benefits, et al. We are an American manufacturer and service provider for the health, enterprise, education and financial industries. Last year, our customers in the education and health categories decided after 16 years not to extend our bids/contracts thinking they were saving money by going to a huge offshore competitor company in Round Rock, Texas. Texas now is simply administration. Their notifications came within days of normal confirmation of bid notice. This resulted in my having to layoff 200 plus good folks or 60 percent of our workforce including the dismantling of that department.
Fast forward; The State has told us our unemployment insurance payments will remain the same despite these layoffs which is another story.
These customers now want to come back to our company as the competitor in Round Rock, Texas will not accept State transferrable IOU’s. Big problem. They now want me to burden my company ramping up production all the while accepting these vouchers and won’t commit to any projections going forward because of the bid. I’m holding firm on this. I could use the business but the trust factor is not on radar but most of all I don’t want to have hired good folks back then have to lay them off again after the State checks begin flowing. Correction, if State checks begin flowing.
Exactly, if state checks begin flowing. And when they do, how long before they issue more IOUs?
My sister lives in California and told me how she stopped at a garage sale last month. A homeowner there had lost her job and was selling her really nice Ethan Allen furniture to raise money to make her house payment. The kicker is the woman still owed payments on the furniture! My sister said it upset her so to see that woman so desperate that she had to leave before she started crying. Even if she sold it all, she’d still owe Ethan Allen and there would be another house payment next month and the month after that and so on. But being unemployed and not having money for deposits and first months rent, etc, it’s not like she could keep the furniture, rent an apartment and walk away from her house payment. She was just hoping to find a job before her home was foreclosed on.
Time for that woman to walk away, declare bankruptcy and start over. Yes, it’s painful. But she’s in too deep at this point to dig her way out. It’s a prime example of our national fiscal situation, reduced to the individual level.
As goes California, so goes the nation.
Have the state sign a 5yr contract with a 30% premium ! — or F*** ‘em
I think the word is “scrip”, although Californians are used to getting paid in Scripts as well.
Seymour, I feel empathy for your story. I am running several businesses in California. I don’t even want to think about our unemployment rates after all our layoffs. All our layoffs are still out of work even though we are supposed to be in a hot job area.
Our clients don’t have any relationship to the state financial difficulties but they are acting as flaky as if they did. Everybody is jumpy and contracts are being canceled and reneged on right and left.
did u think this was funny 2. L8r G8R
My co-worker bought a home in one of those states listed above for $575K just 2.5 years ago. Today, she and her husband are “walking away” and renting. It didn’t make sense to them to continue paying on this property when two houses on their street are or were in foreclosure, one selling for under $200K.
While I do not agree with “walking away” from your obligations, this house will most likely never gain back its value before their retirement and they would have lost their investment eventually anyway, therefore becoming homeless and possibly destitute senior citizens. One way or the other, society would have been supporting them or at least contributing to their support. It is probably better that their bank and the mortgage insurance company is “eating” the cost now as they have access to billions in TARP money that this couple would never have been able to tap.
Karl Denninger has an article up that could be added to the list of “articles to read.” And then, weep or expect your head to explode.
The article is entitled, “Stupidity Bites Hard: Frank and Dodd.”
link is here:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
Karl Denninger is one brilliant blogger, let me say. I never miss his daily additions to the discourse, and I learn so much from him. I highly recommend everyone read his blog every day.
I agree, mountainaires. And you don’t need to be an economist to understand his material. He tells it straight, pretty or not. And the current picture is grim and beyond outrageous.
That’s a GREAT article. And he’s right, our govt is engaging in collusion for accounting fraud for these banks. They have been actively helping to encourage lawbreaking and hide the true state of the balance sheets.
One trillion dollars in consumer credit card debt that is not really decreasing means NO economic recovery.
Chase Bank’s tyranny over their customers further assuages any hope of an economic recovery. Jamie Dimon should resign, he can’t even do simple math.
http://daily-protest.blogspot.com/2009/07/chase-banks-2-to-5-monthly-minimum.html
http://www.boggersagainstchasebank.com
http://www.daily-protest.com
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/credit_cards/chase_credit_cards.html
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The US economy will remain in a freefall as long as BO and the Dems are in charge. The job market is unstable for a number of reasons….
BO’s takeover of banks, major auto makers, health care, etc…..
FYI – the number of uninsured Americans is a fluid number – one group consists of people earning $50,000/yr – they qualify for government health care but cannot fill out the forms
-immigrants
-employees changing jobs
-college students transitioning out from their family plans
-poor families
So why would BO damn the whole medical system to ram his false health care through? – he wants to control every aspect of our lives – let’s face it BO hates America….
BO determining executive compensation while politicians reward themselves with trips and lavish spending sprees…
BO has named around 30 Czars….is this crazy or what??? Why do we cabinet officers?
BO the tyrant will rule until the majority of the American public states enough is enough and evicts this thug from office….