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He lied to you, Suckers!

(Bumped up from Wednesday afternoon.)

Who fell for these words and voted for him? He played you like a violin, didn’t he? Would you vote for him again in 2012?

Words and promises during the campaign were thrown around willy-nilly with no intention of following through them. It was all a masterful strategy to hoodwink and bamboozle the voters. The irony is that Obama warned the voters that they would be hoodwinked and bamboozled but the voters didn’t realize the guy warning them was also the perpetrator. He has gone back pretty much on everything he promised during the campaign. He has developed a pattern of saying one thing and doing just the opposite.

If Obama had done things like he said he would and he had a coherent plan that made sense, people would not be opposed to health care reform. Everybody wants reform but they are confused and nervous about what is being thrown at them right now. Obama has been one gaffefest after another through all this and has lost control of the message starting with saying his grandmother did not need hip replacement or telling a town hall questioner to take pills instead of surgery. His cronies in Congress are not much help when they say they don’t read the bill or need lawyers to understand them or branding dissent as un-American. Much of what they have done do not instill confidence in the people which is why one town hall meeting after another is turning confrontational. Now Rasmussen has new numbers which are not encouraging at all for Obama. Take a look:

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low as just 42% of U.S. voters now favor the plan. That’s down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that opposition to the plan has increased to 53%, up nine points since late June.

More significantly, 44% of voters strongly oppose the health care reform effort versus 26% who strongly favor it. Intensity has been stronger among opponents of the plan since the debate began.

More here.

Too bad he didn’t follow his own advice about bringing people along on his health care reform legislation. It was all just campaign rhetoric. In the absence of a coherent plan, Obama has lost control of the message. Even Jon Stewart is rubbing it in — saying “trust me” is not enough.

[HT to Hillaryis44 for the video]

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Comment by tzada | 2009-08-12 17:40:58

Great article pm. Did you see this one?

Obama’s Tone-Deaf Health Campaign

The president shouldn’t worry about the protestors disrupting town hall meetings. He should worry about the Americans who have been sitting at home listening to him..

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204251404574342653428074782.html

Comment by pm317 | 2009-08-12 17:42:25

Tone-deaf indeed. Thanks for the link.

Comment by tzada | 2009-08-12 17:43:37

You are most welcome. :)

 

Comment by Ani | 2009-08-12 17:44:07

Well done, pm317. Thank you.

 
 

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2009-08-12 19:26:11

Great link–Thanks!

 

Comment by helenk | 2009-08-12 20:56:34

I had just read that and was ready to link it here when I saw that you already did.
The awakening is a commin!!!!!!!

Great minds think alike

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

 

Comment by kgirl1028 | 2009-08-13 00:33:05

To day the MOron in Cheif once again insulted doctors. Basically he stated once again that doctors chop people’s limbs off for money. What’s more he seems not to understand the difference between a GP and Surgeon.

 
 

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-08-12 17:58:50

Excellent, pm317, as usual.

That One probably doesn’t recall even a tenth of the promises he made–he wanted the job and would stop at nothing to get it. This is not the sort of person you would want running anything. He flits about, going from one forum to another, seeking attention and the possibility to pander some more, so as to increase the positive attention. You’ll notice that he never dwells for more than a moment on the downside. Nope, in an Obumble world, everyone gets their wish, the fantasy one supplied by the Kool-aide. Welcome to the matrix.

Comment by maryann | 2009-08-12 19:01:34

vote for me
i’ll get you stuff for free

Comment by barry bums a ciggie | 2009-08-14 10:58:59

and will pay for your gas and mortgage.

 
 
 

Comment by WMCB | 2009-08-12 17:58:51

Okay, this is funny. A little OT, but the image just cracks me the hell up:

If politicians are treated with contempt, it is because they, as a class, have behaved contemptuously. Members of both parties have shown a high tolerance for corruption. The public tends to view members of Congress as oversexed middling figures on a power trip, perhaps hoping to earn big money as a lobbyist after their time in Congress. The public mostly accepts the corruption of Congress as a fact of life, electing incumbents on the philosophy of “better the devil you know.”

However, when people we distrust and view as corrupt start wanting to mess around with our health insurance coverage while running an annual deficit of nearly $2 trillion, many are justifiably angry and will show it.

I wouldn’t urge shouting down members of Congress. I would much prefer sarcasm as a response to the demands of Speaker Pelosi. Go to a town hall meeting and begin your statement with an obsequious “my liege lord” or “if it pleases your excellency.” Maybe curtsy for them.

What’s becoming apparent to the American public is that we have an imperious Congress full of big egos and little minds, greedy, near-sighted people who are drowning future generations in debt and have the gall to demand that people calm down.

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-people-are-angry-you-dont-say/2/

ROTFLMAO! I’d really love to see that. Someone at a town hall giving a sweeping bow, than going to one knee with lowered head, saying:

“I prithee, my liege lord, give ear to the concerns of a faithful peasant. Wilst thou not hear, in thy noble benevolence, the worries and concerns of thy subjects that cry unto thee? Hearken to us if it pleases thee, your excellency, for we are sore distressed.”

I’d pay MONEY to see that. LMAO!

Comment by tzada | 2009-08-12 18:13:03

If a meeting comes anywhere near me, I will do it and send the video here. lol great idea

Comment by maryann | 2009-08-12 18:20:40

Don’t forget your carpet sample to kneel upon and a basket of grapes as an offering.

 
 

Comment by Tammy | 2009-08-12 18:28:22

Damn, that was funny!
Thanks for the laugh.
Here’s one about the concessions that Obama should give in order to get his way:

http://www.imao.us/index.php/2009/08/top-ten-things-obama-could-concede-to-conservatives/

Cracked me up.

 

Comment by Senneth | 2009-08-12 21:02:25

Oh my gawd! LMAO. I, too, would pay money to see that.

 
 

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2009-08-12 18:02:46

Right on the mark, pm! The Emperor is being exposed, as well as Pelosi and her merry crew.

Shame on them all. I never bought into the faux promises and glib “hope & change” chant. But this is far worse than even I imagined. And faster.

I guess I should have expected it. You cannot build anything lasting when it’s perched on a rotten foundation. We witnessed the rot during the primaries. It was just a question of when, not if the house that the Obamatrons built would come tumbling down.

Comment by oowawa | 2009-08-12 20:12:35

I am in full agreement, Peggy Sue. Now we’re reaching the point when even dedicated obot columnists who have carried lots of water for O are trying to hedge their worshipful positions.

We talked some about Camille Paglia’s new article in Salon on Ani’s thread “Obama Let the Cat Out of the Bag,” but it should be mentioned here as well. The title of the article is “Obama’s Healthcare Horror” and the subtitle is “Heads Should Roll–Beginning With Nancy Pelosi’s.” Even though Paglia states that she still supports Thee One, the article would seem to belie that statement. For example:

who would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises — or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress?

I think this article is going to make lots of waves:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2009-08-12 21:39:13

The Paglia article is honest and I give her kudos for that, oowawa. And how strange that we’re now hearing from the public Obama supporters, all staunch liberal Dems, who are starting to squirm uncomfortably.

About two weeks ago I read an essay by Susan Estrich questioning the wisdom of this whiz-bang healthcare push. No one can pretend Susan Estrich is anything but a loyal Democrat. And I thought, uh oh.

Then Reich and Rich and Ed Koch, and now Camille Paglia, all questioning the same things The Mob have been chastised and scorned for.

Even Euguene Robinson has questions about the “end-of-life” counseling and admits that people know damn well that if costs are to be cut then these counseling sessions have a very grim undertone.

And then, Bob Herbert had an op-ed in the NYT, not on the healthcare issue, but questioning the unemployment numbers, the rosy scenario the Administration is painting when, in fact, the numbers are bad, bad, bad.

So, the doubt-meter on The One’s performance [and I would say honesty] is definitely beginning to tick.

I’d recommend the Paglia article to everyone. She tells it like it is.

Comment by oowawa | 2009-08-12 22:39:01

Yes, Peggy Sue. I feel like the crest of the tsunami is starting to roll over. I have to say, in spite of, and perhaps because of, her pledge of allegiance to Thee One, the bitter tone of Paglia’s article really surprised me.

 

Comment by Doc99 | 2009-08-13 10:37:53

Yet Paglia still loves Ozero. Stockholm Syndrome?

 
 

Comment by whoframedrudy | 2009-08-13 21:48:00

“who would have thought … that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress?”

I would have. Because he said so. Remember when he said he didn’t need experience because the President just ’sets the vision?’ I think that was my Reason #6 not to vote for him.

 
 

Comment by oowawa | 2009-08-12 20:15:39

Hi pm317. The Cenobitic Pinhead Spam Monster has taken my post off to O-Whole-Health-Hell, would you please rescue it? Thanks.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-08-12 20:57:35

LOL.. you’ve to get more creative than that next time.

 
 
 

Comment by cathnealon | 2009-08-12 18:18:07

yYou cannot build anything lasting when it’s perched on a rotten foundation”
I agree- and that’s why no matter what comes out of BO’s mouth and what he states about this plan or any other will not stand–he and his buddies ARE the rotten foundation.

 

Comment by Martha Washington Collier | 2009-08-12 18:18:47

It’s the condescension of the politicians that breeds our contempt. They treat us as bumbling fools. I think they’ll find out just how smart we are next year.

Comment by Ani | 2009-08-12 22:52:34

Let’s hope so. I can’t believe that many people voted so foolishly last year — in the primary and in the general.

Comment by Country First | 2009-08-13 00:44:27

I blame the tv news channels for the way people voted–the koolaid channels. Unless you’re internet savvy, you try to stay informed by watching the tv news and/or reading papers — most hard working Americans try to stay informed and make an informed choice, but they didn’t stand a chance this go-round. I’ve never seen anything like the bias in my lifetime, and it’s been a long one.

Comment by Ani | 2009-08-13 03:24:35

Agreed. Me neither.

 
 
 

Comment by Thinker | 2009-08-13 09:59:54

Their arrogance is astounding.

So many of them haven’t even read it, but they will voter for it anyways and they actually expected the American people to be okay with that?? Seriously??
They must really think that we are stupid.

These townhall meetings have really opened their eyes!!!

They forgot that they work for US!

 
 

Comment by Kathleen Wynne | 2009-08-12 18:26:15

You know, after reading the excellent article posted above by tzada, it occurred to me why obama is acting defensive and his minions in the WH are becoming, shall I say, “hysterical” about this healtcare debate. I think it is because, as we all know, obama was “selected” by the power elite over Hillary primarily because they believed him to be the best at “selling” the snake oil they would be offering. It’s clear obama doesn’t give a hoot about the American people or the principles of democracy, all he cares about is the “pomp and circumstance” and the perks of the office. He likes being the center of attention and being fawned over by the press and talk shows and the like. He’s his own achilles heel! Without his ability to “sell”, the emperor will have no clothes.

If obama starts losing this ability and the American people start to question him and find him untrustworthy, you can bet, obama will be gotten rid of by the very power elite who put him in the WH and HE KNOWS IT.

For the first time, obama is beginning to see that his ability to bambooozle the masses is beginning to lose its charm and so is he.

Comment by NoBamaNoWay | 2009-08-13 00:10:59

 
 

Comment by mountainaires | 2009-08-12 18:34:17

If Obama had done things like he said he would and he had a coherent plan that made sense, people would not be opposed to health care reform. Everybody wants reform but they are confused and nervous about what is being thrown at them right now.

On top of that, there was the AUGUST deadline. Just before Congressional summer recess.

He’s such a con. I wouldn’t believe a word he says. Anyone who does, is a fool.

 

Comment by BuzzisbackLatte | 2009-08-12 19:07:39

Vindication!

Haven’t believed one single word out of Obama’s mouth since his first lie on the campaign trail.

I am surprised and delighted that vindication is coming so soon!!!

Comment by Newly Independent | 2009-08-12 19:31:59

That’s just what this is. Complete vindication.

I never supported Obama’s run for the presidency. Knew he was a damn fraud & shady crook since January 2008.

What truly burns me up is that we - who saw through Obama & the rest of the Wall Street/Congressional crooks early on - must suffer along with the ignorant masses who didn’t (and STILL don’t) see through Mr. “Hope and Change”.

Comment by Thinker | 2009-08-13 10:03:01

I thought that I would feel happy about being vindicated ….but I’m not. It didn’t have to be this way.

 
 

Comment by Margaret | 2009-08-13 13:46:51

There’s a bumper sticker over at CafePress - “I was anti-Obama before it was cool”. We might all have to get one!!

 
 

Comment by Obamastolemycounty | 2009-08-12 19:08:44

Thank goodness I was not bamboozled! I cannot imagine the deep depression I’d be in now…Oh, wait…I’ve been in that deep depression during the 2008 Demonic National Convention! That sucked! Well, I hope you bots all have to go through it without drugs and it’s 100 times worse than I felt then! It still won’t make up for the fact that this is all your fault!

 

Comment by HC123 | 2009-08-12 19:08:46

Yep, they will vote for him again. Whoever he is. Thats what our braindead electorate does. They voted for MURTHA again, after he called them all racist rednecks.

Comment by rose | 2009-08-13 00:01:51

I live in his district and I tell you many are and I have argued with many of them,but lucky there are also many who are not. Still there are many redneck racists and sexists.

 
 

Comment by Martha Washington Collier | 2009-08-12 19:08:56

It is not wise to give trust just because someone shows up. It has to be earned. So far Obama has earned Zero. It started with the primary. As the refrain goes on Hillaryis44: “Obama simply cannot be trusted.”

 

Comment by oowawa | 2009-08-12 19:39:18

Love your article, pm317.

It was all a masterful strategy to hoodwink and bamboozle the voters.

from Chicago!, of course:

Give ‘em the old razzle dazzle
Razzle dazzle ‘em
Back since the days of old Methuselah
Everyone loves the big bambooz-a-ler

Give ‘em an act with lots of flash in it
And the reaction will be passionate
Give ‘em the old hocus pocus
Bread and feather ‘em
How can they see with sequins in their eyes?

Comment by oowawa | 2009-08-12 19:59:55

oops–bread=bead

 
 

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2009-08-12 19:39:33

pm317,

Again, thanks for this great post. It’s very, very hard to prevent the nausea I feel whenever I hear his voice, but I got through the video. I think I forgot this promise of putting the debate on C-SPAN because I probably got so annoyed about his little lecture about what “The Clintons” did wrong that I turned the channel.

There’s one line in which he mentions that there is something good about the guilt he assumes the congressmen (and women) might feel if they knew they would be caught in bed, so to speak, with insurance companies. I would just hope that someone at an upcoming town hall would ask whether or not Obama should feel guilt about not keeping this this campaign promise, especially in light of his attempt to withhold information about his early meetings with insurance execs.

That is, of course, after tzada gives her (?) “liege lord” performance. I really want to see that also.

Comment by Confused American | 2009-08-12 19:49:47

Well I didnt vote for him in the primary, or in the general election.
I am proud to say that even though he took the state I live in; the county I live in and all surrounding counties were 60-70% McCain votes.
Yea we dont carry much weight over here in the boonies.

 

Comment by tzada | 2009-08-12 19:51:49

lol I think I will dress up in medieval garb too.
Maybe someone can make a u tube video of not me, but something funny and get it to go global. I have noticed the difference between the conservative and liberals. They never seem to have any fun. This site has the art of the snark down perfectly and I am so pleased to be here with such smart, snarky people.

Was looking for the Jackson video and stopped here, so I will just put it here. Obama has plants? Whoda thunk it?

Hmmmmmmm Was There a Plant at the Sheila Jackson Lee Town Hall Meeting?

Yesterday, DRJ posted on a comical town hall meeting that Sheila Jackson Lee held in Houston on Tuesday, in which Jackson Lee talked on her cell phone as a constituent asked a question.

A reader writes to raise questions about whether there was a Barack Obama plant at Jackson Lee’s town hall meeting, in the form of one “Dr. Roxana Mayer,” who was mentioned in this Houston Chronicle article:

Some attendees at the meeting spoke in favor of the plan, go so far as to want a system where the government had complete control.

One supporter, Dr. Roxana Mayer, a physician who does not live in Jackson Lee’s district, praised the reform plan for overhauling a broken system.

“I don’t know what there is in the bill that creates such panic,” she said.

MyBarackObama shows a Roxana Mayer was a Texas Delegate for Obama (click on Directory in the center of the page).

http://patterico.com/2009/08/12/hmmm-was-there-a-plant-at-the-sheila-jackson-lee-town-hall-meeting/

Comment by Boxer Mum 06 | 2009-08-14 13:05:40

This women is NOT EVEN A DOCTOR!!!!

She is a grad student in Houston who is also an Obama delegate.

Uh .. where are the so called Right Wing Plants in the townhall meetings? I have yet to find a concrete example of one!

In an e-mail to the Chronicle on Thursday morning, Mayer confirmed she is not a licensed physician.

“I have been advised to refrain from making any further statements,” she said.

In the initial story about the event, the Chronicle reported that she was a doctor based on her claim at the meeting.

Today, Jackson Lee denied knowing Mayer and said she was not planted as a friendly voice in the crowd.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/08/13/patterico-busts-grad-student-obama-delegate-posing-doctor-chron-doesnt-c

 
 
 

Comment by Jackarooty | 2009-08-12 20:33:35

I had the extreme pleasure of not voting for him in 2008 and I know I will enjoy not voting for him in 2012.

Comment by jwrjr | 2009-08-13 23:22:03

Now that I have seen both I would seriously consider voting for GWB before I would vote for Obama.

 
 

Comment by snowhite | 2009-08-12 20:48:37

I attended the Dingell meeting last Thursday.After hundreds of people waited in line for a few hours the Dingell Democrats were allowed to enter in a seprate door,15 minutes earlier to get their sigs together.The room held 150-200 and the special ones hogged up the fiirst 4 rows.They began screaming before the riff raff(myself)did.Many Democrats and independents all were screamed at—now Dingell calls us members of the kkk.He said he wrote the plan and that it would pass.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-08-12 21:06:12

Thank you for the eye witness account.

 
 

Comment by snowhite | 2009-08-12 20:51:57

I was ashamed of Obama(even tho I did not vote for him)when he lied about aarp and called on his campaign managers daughter to ask a question.He just is not an honest man,which we knew before the election.You just had to look at his friends and the chicago mob.

 

Comment by xax | 2009-08-12 21:07:55

I like the title. Says it all. I just didn’t realize I told you so would come so quickly. But it feels good.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-08-12 21:10:00

I am also surprised that it is moving so fast. But our assessment of him was right on target. You just can’t run a government by teleprompter.

 
 

Comment by helenk | 2009-08-12 21:10:17

words to remember when thinking of backtrack,

If he says it is raining outside
Look out the window , then check the roof to see if someone is up there with a hose.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

Comment by Ani | 2009-08-12 23:25:46

Water spew!! :)

 

Comment by pm317 | 2009-08-12 23:30:41

Yep, good one..

 
 

Comment by It hits the fan | 2009-08-12 21:13:01

I never believed a word the guy said. But I do appreciate this line which you wrote. I think it sums everything up quite nicely.

The irony is that Obama warned the voters that they would be hoodwinked and bamboozled but the voters didn’t realize the guy warning them was also the perpetrator.

Pretty much anything Obama says is Words, just Words.

 

Comment by Objective Analysis | 2009-08-12 21:27:10

I seriously believe Uncle Teddy is behind this to give him one last broohah before he bites the dust and Obamite is happy to play alone.

Do we have to vote against him if THE USURPER is removed from Office?

Just asking…

Comment by Jackarooty | 2009-08-12 22:23:29

I agree with you. I have always felt that because he is beholden to Teddy he must get it passed before Teddy dies. That will happen sooner rather than later.

 
 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2009-08-12 21:35:50

The 3 Amigo’s ride again! Can you tell which one is Dusty Bottom?

“The same critics who say that the United States has not intervened enough in Honduras are the same people who say that we’re always intervening and the Yankees need to get out of Latin America. You can’t have it both ways.”

Has anyone seen the video of the presser Dusty had in Mexico with Ned and Lucky Day?

at parts of it BO is visible “not there” in his speech pattern. What is up with that? I am looking for the clip.

 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2009-08-12 21:41:50

( excuse me! (embarressed)… I was looking over the cliff where my comment went and did not mean to sow any plumbers but…it’s BO’s fault!)

Echo echo echo…

Very enjoyable, Pm317.

 

Comment by eleana | 2009-08-12 21:43:25

“The president shouldn’t worry about the protestors disrupting town hall meetings. He should worry about the Americans who have been sitting at home listening to him”..in disbelief…

That may be why CNN Pres. Jonathan Klein gave notice to all of its’ producers to no longer book radio talk-show hosts as guests on CNN news programs stating that “Complex issues require world class reporting,” and that talk-radio guys are all noise and “all too predictable.” (and may just speak the truth or express another point of view so that the viewer can make an intelligent decision on their own)
“Complex issues require world class reporting”..on CNN? laughable

 

Comment by WMCB | 2009-08-12 21:46:32

The American College of Surgeons is a wee bit pissed off at Obama’s demagoguery with them as villains out to chop off your leg to make a buck. They released a statement today:

Yesterday during a town hall meeting, President Obama got his facts
completely wrong. He stated that a surgeon gets paid $50,000 for a leg
amputation when, in fact, Medicare pays a surgeon between $740 and
$1,140 for a leg amputation.
This payment also includes the
evaluation of the patient on the day of the operation plus patient
follow-up care that is provided for 90 days after the operation.
Private insurers pay some variation of the Medicare reimbursement for
this service.

They go on to call his remarks “inflammatory”, “dangerous”, and harmful to the doctor/patient trust. They close with a polite version of “STFU making clueless statements, you moron.”

We assume that the President made these mistakes unintentionally, but we would urge him to have his facts correct before making another inflammatory and incorrect statement about surgeons and surgical care.

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/at_what_cost_cutting_off_a_leg_1.php

Comment by imustprotest | 2009-08-12 22:03:43

Wow! Thanks for posting this! This is great! I was wondering when the doctors were going to speak out about his remarks. Do you know if any doctor’s organizations spoke out when he accused them of taking out kids tonsils just to make an extra buck?

Comment by WMCB | 2009-08-12 22:25:45

They addressed the “ZOMG, doctors are stealing teh tonsils!” bullshit in the statement as well.

Comment by imustprotest | 2009-08-12 22:32:02

Oh, thanks…sorry! I should’ve looked at the link before I commented. I was shocked when he made the tonsils comment and couldn’t believe he’d said something equally outrageous when he made the amputation statement. He really is loose and reckless with his comments.

Comment by Martha Washington Collier | 2009-08-12 23:16:35

Actually just plain stupid.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Ani | 2009-08-12 23:30:23

Thank you for posting this.

It reminds me of the 2008 primary, where he got away with saying anything he wanted to about Hillary or any of the people who didn’t vote for him. The media was loathe to set the record straight.

He was spoiled into thinking he could just stand up in front of the American people and spew whatever falsehoods he likes and will continue to get a pass.

Glad to see people’s reputations, hard work and service actually mean enough to them to speak up loud and clear and correct the record, even if the media refuses to do its job.

 

Comment by Michael Ejercito | 2009-08-13 21:19:25

I am surprised a leg amputation is only $1100

 

Comment by whoframedrudy | 2009-08-13 21:58:13

My father’s doctors bent over backwards to save his legs. FU, Obama!

 
 

Comment by Cindy | 2009-08-12 22:21:04

Holy Hypocrisy, Batman!
Many, many thanks to you, pm317, for bringing us the most important post I’ve ever seen! Wow!

 

Comment by politicsisdirty | 2009-08-12 23:18:08

After the bail outs, Cap and Trade tax, Stimulus package and gov take over of auto industry, can you trust this Admin with your healthcare?

I guess not.

 

Comment by pm317 | 2009-08-12 23:53:41

OK important comment on WaPO’s article cited by another comment on Hillaryis44. one too many redirects but excellent point :)
———————————

# TheRealist Says:
August 12th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

From the comments to Ezra Klein’s piece in today’s WP. This guy really nails it in cold, hard, fact…

let’s take a look at two issues you mention above and see exactly folks might reasonably be mistrustful of government in general and Obama and particular. First, there is the issue of the individual mandate. Obama’s original plan and campaign was very clear that they are plan did not include individual mandate and in fact attacked the Clinton campaign because it did. Then in March or April of this year, he had a “change of heart” and decided to include the individual mandate.

Secondly, one of the funding mechanisms talked about above is changing what you politely called the “changing the existing subsidies” to the health care system. what this of course is referring to is a change to the tax deductions for employer provided healthcare. In the campaign last year, Obama savaged McCain for his proposal to end deductions for employer provided healthcare.

So who exactly is being dishonest in this debate? Who exactly is demagoging the debate? if Obama can have a “change of heart” about an issue he campaigned on and can be so dishonest to pursue a policy that he is specifically attacked his opponent on in the last election, why are people now supposed to trust him in everything going forward? What in fact is there to prevent him from breaking his promises in the future? your editorials and comments seem to be saying that it’s somehow beyond the pale of discussion for people to question whether Obama’s plan will really be what he says it is, but there are now two instances where it will be (or might be) what he specifically said it wouldn’t be before. So why exactly should the opponents believe that Obama’s plan will really be what he says it will be, especially 10 years down the road?

Posted by: sgaliger | August 12, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2009-08-13 00:36:00

Spot on! Thanks for including this!

 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2009-08-13 01:59:41

PM317, after reading that, I can’t help but be reminded of why it was so important to vet BO (or any person seeking high office.)
Mr. Johnson and writers at NQ went to great lengths to point this out and the MSM was criminally negligent in their constitutional obligations to do the same.

Now we have a person in the office of POTUS, who for ever will suffer from a lack of credibility.

It is bad enough that the history of the man is suspect by his own account and actions, but all that diverted information has to manifest itself, now leaching once again into the political lexicon.

Putting policies to the side, would it not be worth knowing the person holding the office was of good character and had the principles of their convictions to chart an honest course?

I hear of a report on insurance company gouging from Senator Rockefeller’s office and I’m left wondering, why on earth the AG isn’t busting chops. We don’t need a massive overhaul to correct the obvious. Each of these problems have solutions. Given the opportunity and a known and consistently level field, Scout said he would hang a sign out front and Do his thing. We need as many people as we can muster, to do what they know works and get the middle men out of the equation.

I think back to how BO and Rezko and their buddies jammed the hospital boards of Chicago. I do NOT trust BO to do anything positive, because of this. I do not trust him because my “street instinct” and documented evidence tells me MO used her position in the hospital for personal gain and jammed the Walfords with the historic board AND maintaining employment in the medical community in the Chicago area. BO was intimately involved as well. When BO said it was “boneheaded”, it wasn’t that he did the deed, it was because he got caught.
If health-care is what you want reformed, I would not want someone who let his constituents FREEZE, while he pals around with the criminal that was responsible for the lack off heat. Then to ice it off, the creep say he did not know. This from a guy who obtained financing from Rezko for his house, rather than see to it that Rezko made it fit for a human to live in.

Healthcare from BO Industries? I’ll pass.

 
 

Comment by helenk | 2009-08-13 00:30:35

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/obama-press-conference-videos-081209

This article describes backtrack and his dancing and side stepping

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2009-08-13 02:15:24

PM317, sorry but my serve is stuck in the net. darn clay courts.

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2009-08-13 02:20:39

 
 

Comment by donjo | 2009-08-13 10:02:39

It’s very obvious this guy, the great 0, has never done an honest day’s work in his life. That’s not an overstatement. Having lived a sheltered life where everything is done FOR him, he has no comprehension of what real life is all about.

 

Comment by pm317 | 2009-08-13 10:53:07

More from oowawa’s link up thread about Paglia’s article. She still loves him though and coos to his lullaby and soothing tone.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/

Obama’s aggressive endorsement of a healthcare plan that does not even exist yet, except in five competing, fluctuating drafts, makes Washington seem like Cloud Cuckoo Land. The president is promoting the most colossal, brazen bait-and-switch operation since the Bush administration snookered the country into invading Iraq with apocalyptic visions of mushroom clouds over American cities.

You can keep your doctor; you can keep your insurance, if you’re happy with it, Obama keeps assuring us in soothing, lullaby tones. Oh, really? And what if my doctor is not the one appointed by the new government medical boards for ruling on my access to tests and specialists? And what if my insurance company goes belly up because of undercutting by its government-bankrolled competitor? Face it: Virtually all nationalized health systems, neither nourished nor updated by profit-driven private investment, eventually lead to rationing.

I just don’t get it. Why the insane rush to pass a bill, any bill, in three weeks? And why such an abject failure by the Obama administration to present the issues to the public in a rational, detailed, informational way? The U.S. is gigantic; many of our states are bigger than whole European nations. The bureaucracy required to institute and manage a nationalized health system here would be Byzantine beyond belief and would vampirically absorb whatever savings Obama thinks could be made. And the transition period would be a nightmare of red tape and mammoth screw-ups, which we can ill afford with a faltering economy.

As with the massive boondoggle of the stimulus package, which Obama foolishly let Congress turn into a pork rut, too much has been attempted all at once; focused, targeted initiatives would, instead, have won wide public support. How is it possible that Democrats, through their own clumsiness and arrogance, have sabotaged healthcare reform yet again? Blaming obstructionist Republicans is nonsensical because Democrats control all three branches of government. It isn’t conservative rumors or lies that are stopping healthcare legislation; it’s the justifiable alarm of an electorate that has been cut out of the loop and is watching its representatives construct a tangled labyrinth for others but not for themselves. No, the airheads of Congress will keep their own plush healthcare plan — it’s the rest of us guinea pigs who will be thrown to the wolves.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-08-13 11:02:30

And this for Palin fans:

As a libertarian and refugee from the authoritarian Roman Catholic church of my youth, I simply do not understand the drift of my party toward a soulless collectivism. This is in fact what Sarah Palin hit on in her shocking image of a “death panel” under Obamacare that would make irrevocable decisions about the disabled and elderly. When I first saw that phrase, headlined on the Drudge Report, I burst out laughing. It seemed so over the top! But on reflection, I realized that Palin’s shrewdly timed metaphor spoke directly to the electorate’s unease with the prospect of shadowy, unelected government figures controlling our lives. A death panel not only has the power of life and death but is itself a symptom of a Kafkaesque brave new world where authority has become remote, arbitrary and spectral. And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.

 

Comment by Docelder | 2009-08-13 11:21:37

Obama keeps assuring us in soothing, lullaby tones

If she likes that tone she can get more of it in any evangelical church. He is like a pastor, except he isn’t selling faith in a higher power… he is selling faith in himself. Obamism is becoming a kind of state religion.

 
 

Comment by N. Lee | 2009-08-13 11:43:40

Obama is a fraud…plain and simple. But, hey, we already knew that. That’s why we didn’t vote for him.
The only consolation I have is laughing in the face of my friends who voted for this narcissist. But sad watching my country go down the tubes.

 

Comment by I'm a Linda too | 2009-08-13 12:27:38

Excellent video…of Obama’s lies.

Remember, with the other conversation of what IS in the bill and it’s correct determination. Obama and Congress is trying to deny the language means limited care for seniors or other unproductive citizens.

But Tom Daschle, who was and is an adviser on the Health Care Legislation and was working on it last year. Yes, he was SUPPOSED to be the driving force, HHS, but THAT didn’t work out.

Do we need to be reminded of his philosphy and recommendations for health care reform?

Doctors have to join the federal community here in dolling out treatment so that it’s fair and equitable. “Keeping doctors informed of the newest medical findings is important, but enforcing uniformity,” Betsy McCaughey writes, “goes too far. Hospitals and doctors that are not ‘meaningful users’ of the new system will face penalties. ‘Meaningful user’ isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose ‘more stringent measures of meaningful use over time’ (511, 518, 540-541). What penalties will deter your doctor from going beyond the electronically delivered protocols when your condition is atypical or you need an experimental treatment? The vagueness is intentional. In his book, Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the ‘tough’ decisions elected politicians won’t make. The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs.

“He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept ‘hopeless diagnoses’ and ‘forgo experimental treatments,’ and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.” Now, the page numbers that I’m giving you here refer to the PDF inversion of HR1EH, the stimulus bill, not Daschle’s book but the actual stimulus bill. Betsy McCaughey just read it and she’s reporting what’s in it. So Daschle says we need to become more like Europe. People need to accept catastrophic diagnosis and forget it. If you’re told it’s over, it’s over. We can’t keep spending money on people who want experimental treatments! We just can’t do this. Now, “Daschle says health-care reform ‘will not be pain free.’ Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.” You read that right.

Daschle says senior citizens “should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age,” instead of trying to have them treated. “

Two important points in his book.

1. “Daschle proposed an appointed body with vast powers to make the ‘tough’ decisions elected politicians won’t make. The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs.

2.”Daschle says health-care reform ‘will not be pain free.’ Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.”

OK, Obama, try and spin this.

Comment by I'm a Linda too | 2009-08-13 21:59:15

And more coming from HObama.

Leaked memo shows Obama deal with Big Pharma in secret closed door meetings.

The memo, which according to a knowledgeable health care lobbyist was prepared by a person directly involved in the negotiations, lists exactly what the White House gave up, and what it got in return.

It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government’s leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada — and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

http://tinyurl.com/rb8t8a

 
 

Comment by helenk | 2009-08-13 21:49:30

I just got the book Paranoid Nation by Matt Towery. Ha s anyone read it yet?

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

 

Comment by desgans | 2009-08-14 08:01:39

En France nous avons la sécurité sociale, et le déficit est de 9 milliards d’euros, les travailleurs et petits retraités donnent de plus en plus de cotisations et de mutuelle pour ce gouffre, car nous payons pour tous les “parasites” qui vivent à nos crochets: exemple les étrangers en situation irrégulière ont les soins à cent pour cent, et depuis le nouveau gouvernement, les français qui paient sont de moins en moins remboursés, avec ma peitite retraite je ne peux plus vivre et je vais abondonner la mutuelle, nous sommes en train de crever et c’est ce qui vous attends avec ce dangereux BHO !!!

 

Comment by b mathews | 2009-08-14 14:07:39

I cant take credit for the following, but its worth repeating it here..and everywhere. “obama is against capitol punishment except when it comes to the sick white elderly. Soon obama will offer a National Socialism Healthcare Clunker” program. Each family that pulls the plug on medicare mom or dad will recieve $4,500 to purchase a large screen tv”

 

Comment by Cate | 2009-08-15 14:17:53

I NEVER believed Obama for a New York minute. I know a liar when I hear one. I said all along this man was using his so called Chrisma to buy the POTUS.

I was never impressed and I did not vote for him. I am a life long democrat and I am ashamed that AMERICANS fell for this unqualified, untruthful, manipulating man.

If the health care program he is pushing passes. Pray for America. We are already heading down the wrong path. The nation was ripe for Hillary. The Americans who voted for this man changed the course of history and America is paying for it.

Anyone but Obama for “2012″

 

Comment by Debt Settlement Help | 2009-08-17 22:19:54

Great headline. If your cookie has a bite-sized action and your reader completes the action, I think two things happen. Their self-confidence goes up (which feels good) and their trust in you increases.

 

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