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“We really have let them down. We did not help prevent this recession.”

Trust and respect. They are fragile things. You do not earn them by finger pointing. You can not instill them through political theater. You should not jeopardize them with fear mongering.

Those are the tactic of political players. Politicians so removed from the world of ordinary citizens that they no longer reflect real life, but merely their own game of scorekeeping politics.

It would take an actual public servant to -

Take responsibility.
Acknowledge failure.
Accept criticism.
Provide solutions.

And if you want a glimpse of that rare breed …

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Comment by Obama: Dubya 2 Electric Boogaloo | 2009-08-13 14:03:24

Sorry, but I’m past the point of thinking ANY politician is in it for the right thing. Obviously the political winds are very anti-incumbant right now. Is he just saying what he thinks we want to hear in an effort to win an election? Convince me otherwise.

 

Comment by Objective Analysis | 2009-08-13 14:04:41

As the PA voter recently said at Sen. Specter’s townhall meeting:

YOU HAVE AWOKEN A SLEEPING GIANT…

The question is, is it too late for our constitutional republic. Personally they need to vote all of them out. For real.

Comment by oowawa | 2009-08-13 14:51:44

You have awoken a sleeping giant!

Half asleep and pissed:
Fee-Fi-Fo-Fum,
Look out incumbents–
Here we come!

Comment by Mamatex | 2009-08-14 22:27:11

LOVE your poem!!!

 
 

Comment by tzada | 2009-08-15 10:22:56

OMG but did the sleeping giant know this?

‘Death panel’ is not in the bill… it already exists

H.R. 1 (more commonly known as the Recovery and Reinvestment Act, even more commonly known as the Stimulus Bill and aptly dubbed the Porkulus Bill) contains a whopping $1.1 billion to fund the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research. The Council is the brain child of former Health and Human Services Secretary Nominee Tom Daschle. Before the Porkulus Bill passed, Betsy McCaughey, former Lieutenant governor of New York, wrote in detail about the Council’s purpose.

Who is on the Council? One of its most prominent members is none other than Dr. Death himself Ezekiel Emanuel. Dr. Emanuel’s views on care of the elderly should frighten anyone who is or ever plans on being old. He explains the logic behind his discriminatory views on elderly care as follows:

Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years.

On average 25-year-olds require very few medical services. If they are to get the lion’s share of the treatment, then those 65 and over can expect very little care. Dr. Emanuel’s views on saving money on medical care are simple: don’t provide any medical care. The loosely worded provisions in H.R 1 give him and his Council increasing power to push such recommendations.

Daschle’s stated purpose (and therefore President Obama’s purpose) for creating the Council is to empower an unelected bureaucracy to make the hard decisions about health care rationing that elected politicians are politically unable to make. The end result is to slow costly medical advancement and consumption. Daschle argues that Americans ought to be more like Europeans who passively accept “hopeless diagnoses.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/08/death_panel_is_not_in_the_bill.html

 
 

Comment by HARP | 2009-08-13 14:11:16

The sad part is, we warned them all last year but the media sold out the country. MSM should be held accountable at the town hall meetings. Only then will America emerge as before.

 

Comment by HARP | 2009-08-13 14:14:56

Rasmussen: GOP now more trusted on health care than Democrats

Democrats held a four-point lead on the issue last month and a 10-point lead in June. For most of the past two years, more than 50% of voters said they trusted Democrats on health care. The latest results mark the lowest level of support measured for the party on the now-contentious issue.

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low with just 42% of U.S. voters now in favor of it. That’s down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/13/rasmussen-gop-now-more-trusted-on-health-care-than-democrats/

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-13 14:35:18

Good. Let them all suffer. I don’t care how many rabbits Obama tries pulling out of his hat, he’s done.

You don’t mess with people’s health care, especially when the economy is in the tank.

I await his approval ratings to fall to 40% with great anticipation.

Why? Because is a big fraud and a bully, and lots of us saw through it from day one.

Vote out the Dems who insult the voters. Contest them in primaries. Don’t take this lying down. Fight back!

 
 

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-13 14:28:23

I was impressed by Sestak. I know nothing about him.

What was significant about this video is that Sestak did not call constituents names, and he did not dismiss people with questions. He sucessfully parried media attempts to box him in.

He even expanded upon a short clip the TV network showed to put it in context. Sestak mentioned that in DC they all live in “a bubble.” Either Sestak gets it, or he’s putting on a really good act.

The people like Boxer who are calling people unAmerican or astroturfers, etc. are the ones that need to GO!

Vote them out. More people need to present themselves as Joe Sestak did.

Comment by FrenchNail | 2009-08-14 21:06:42

He was a Hillary supporter. So the Chicago machine and the Fraud-in-Chief had no problem asking him to forget the senatorial bid he was considering against Spector before the later turned coat.

This is still the primaries fight being fought. Sestak is a Dem the White House could do without. Sestak is appreciated by his constituants so far, but he is a political animal.

 

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2009-08-14 21:38:13

Sestak was just endorsed by VoteVets.org, btw. You can go there and read more abt him, if you wish.

 
 

Comment by TexasMirth | 2009-08-13 14:40:14

I await his approval ratings to fall to 40% with great anticipation.

You and me both, Arabella! The sooner, the better.
Bullies and liars eventually get their just deserts - and I’m hoping eventually won’t take too long.

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2009-08-13 14:50:03

Oh, I think he’ll go swirling down the drain pretty darn fast. Even with the media praising him 24/7, people are not fooled.

In fact, the media are participating in seppuku. More and more people are out and out saying that the newpapers and the TV news are full of lies. They don’t believe that pyroclastic flow of good news.

People are smart enough to know when they don’t have enough money to live on, and they have no prospect of earning the money to live on.

I trust Americans to throw the rascals out.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-08-14 20:11:11

Seppuku?

Nah

The media is too cowardly chickenshit to take the honorable way out and fall on their swords. They’ll just point fingers as they are wont to do.

 
 
 

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2009-08-13 14:44:12

I don’t know very much about Sestak and I’m no longer living in Pa. But I know I wouldn’t vote for Spector [though I give him credit for at least coming out to the townhall meetings. The real weasels are "calling it in" or cancelling altogether].

Sestak is saying the right things but the public trust has been shattered. Too often, we’ve seen these politicians say one thing to get elected, only to be swept into groupspeak once in office.

But I found his willingness to explain his position on healthcare encouraging. The refusal to take an honest stand or resort to double talk is what turns people off.

So, if I lived in the area, I’d do some research on the man, listen and read his words and decide from there. People want to believe in honest brokers.

But it’s getting damn hard!

Comment by Obamastolemycountry | 2009-08-14 20:43:15

If people stop listening to words and watch actions, then they will be wise enough to vote. If they have actually accomplished things they said they would, those are the people to vote for unless you are very opposed to all of the things they plan to do. It makes it tough for a newbie trying to get in, but I do believe that any one reasonable running for office would not do so without some accomplishments to their name. Notice I said, reasonable, so that excludes Mr. Hopey change artist. I voted for the hero, who had some accomplishments and a proven love of country, not the zero.

Actions, folks, that’s the thing to watch.

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2009-08-14 21:39:29

Absolutely right. Actions speak louder than words…

 

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2009-08-14 22:19:55

And that’s why I would do research on the man first,onamastolemycountry. When you have someone new coming in, we need to know who he is and what he’s done in his life. Then and only then, we look at the words and the written record.

You’ll remember [I'm sure you do], we had little in the way of real accomplishments to measure Obama and little to nothing in a written record to judge him by.

And that’s why, as a life-long Dem, I could not and did not vote for him.

I have no interest in a cipher, an admitted one or not. No blank slates, thank you very much. I agree–look at the actions, and then the words.

And if I were still a Pa resident, that’s exactly what I would do. Look the man’s history–his accomplishments or lack there of. And then and only then, look at the man’s words.

The yardstick is amazingly simple. Can a candidate fool us? If he/she is truly talented, of course. But more often or not, we all leave footprints. Even when we try not to.

Comment by jbjd | 2009-08-14 22:38:54

PS, it’s not the missing footprints that have done him in; it’s his ‘words.’ I am convinced that based on his words, I can prove Nancy Pelosi and the DNC Certified to state elections officials he was a NBC in order to get his name on general election ballots, without verifying whether he was Constitutionally eligible for the job. Some states require the party candidate to be eligible for the job in order to have his name printed on the ballot. In these states, Certifying BO’s eligibility without vetting whether he is a NBC is election fraud. And there is something we can do about it, now. But you have to understand the process. I explain all this in these two postings on my blog.

Start with, “Rumors, Lies, and Unsubstantiated ‘Facts’”; and go on to, “If Drowning Out Opposing Facts is un-American Then Ignoring Unpleasant Facts Must be un-American, Too.”
http://jbjd.wordpress.com

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2009-08-14 23:21:15

I would disagree, jbjd. There is absolutely nothing in Barack Obama’s past accomplishments to recommend him as a POTUS. And his footsteps in Chicago are absolutely damning [not that the mainstream press was willing to report his less than sterling activities or associations].

Unless, of course, you want to buy into the fictional memoirs. A James Frey clone!

Add to that the lack of a written record and the recommendation is nil, nada, zip. The American public bought a manufactured, reshaped product ala David Axelrod & Co.

And unless Barack Obama, by some miracle upon miracle, steps up to the plate and becomes something beyond the ridiculous hype, we are all screwed royally.

Comment by jbjd | 2009-08-14 23:39:19

I am so sorry you misunderstand me. Of course, there is no justification for voting for a man with no record. I knew I could never vote for BO because I investigated his record, at the beginning of the primary, as well as the pasts of his advisors. Ask me anything: Samantha Power and invading Israel to unilaterally establish a Palestinian state; state funds to Robert Blackwell’s Killerspin and Blackwell’s contributions to his campaign; no student loans on his income tax forms during those years MO claimed they were poor paying off student loans… No, what I meant was this. Although hiding his record did not prevent his ascension to the Oval Office; even those people evidently unbothered by the fact he tried to cover his tracks would be bothered if convinced he really is not a NBC. And I believe, using his words, I can now make that argument.

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2009-08-15 00:00:32

I stand corrected, jbjd. We’re still friends :0).

Comment by jbjd | 2009-08-15 00:16:00

Phew! I always found reassuring that you and I shared a similar point of view. (That’s why I wanted you to read my articles.)

 
 
 

Comment by tzada | 2009-08-15 09:20:31

This Sunday Fox news, is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama, Sunday night at 8:00 PM central / 9 PM Eastern.
The report will go back to Obama’s earlier days, showing even then his close ties to radical Marxist professors, friends, spiritual advisers, etc. It will also reveal detail his ties to Rev. Wright for 20+ yrs. How he was participating with this man, and not for the reasons he states!
The report has uncovered more of Obama’s radical past and we will see things that no one in the media is willing to put out there. It will be a segment to remember.
Mark your calendar and pass this on to everyone you know: Sunday night, 8 PM. CT; 9 PM ET. Democrat or Republican, this report will open your eyes to how YOUR country is being sold down the road to Totalitarian Socialism. If you care about the direction of our country, pass this notice on to everyone you know.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by creeper | 2009-08-15 14:24:27

Peggy Sue, do you think it will hurt the “weasels” who couldn’t find the guts to face their constituents? Will the voters remember come 2010? Or will they get a pass on their behavior like Obama does?

 
 

Comment by Tammy | 2009-08-14 20:54:49

Sorry,guys.
If you just allowed people to buy health insurance from ANY insurer in the country, the game would change completely.
It’s called opening markets.

This guy(who I would NEVER vote for) mentioned that PA only has two insurers. If people could insure from anywhere in the country, the insurers would have to COMPETE.

I’m a free market chick. No “single payer”. Just go to the UK Telegraph and read the HELL stories about health care over there. Educate yourselves.

 

Comment by Patience | 2009-08-14 21:39:23

Maybe we should require a truly radical change. And I don’t mean switching back and forth from party to party. Perhaps most political positions should be mandatorily part-time and compensated accordingly, forcing officeholders to have other jobs to support themselves. This would keep them more in synch with the people they serve.

Legislative sessions should only be held for very brief periods a couple of times a year, allowing for less time to meddle and peddle. As it is, too many end up being imperiously out of touch, overcompensated, and self-serving no matter their campaign rhetoric.

Anyway, there’s no law against dreaming. Yet.

Comment by Tammy | 2009-08-15 09:18:33

I love your idea.
Politicians are all so drunk with their own power. Both parties.

If they were forced to spend more time with their constituents maybe they would act like the “representatives” they are supposed to be.

 
 

Comment by Confused American | 2009-08-14 21:42:38

CHECK THIS OUT GUYS
Well looks like Obama and his Democrats messed up again.
If the Obama administration truly want to get people on board they need to start being honest.
Jackson Called on a Dr Roxana Mayer for a comment/question. During the conversation Mayer claims to be a general practitioner for 4 year which Jackson praises and uses to further her pro Health Care talks.
Turns out Mayer is not a doctor.
Mayer was however one of Obama’s delegates last year.
Then to top it off turns out she was an lead organizer for an Obama organization called Organizing for America.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/13/video-obamacare-fans-take-astroturfing-to-a-new-level/
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2009/08/13/patterico-busts-grad-student-obama-delegate-posing-doctor-chron-doesnt-c
http://patterico.com/2009/08/14/roxana-mayer-invited-to-town-hall-by-obama-organizer-who-sported-che-guevara-poster-at-obama-campaign-office/

When tactics like this are used it does not reflect well on the issue at hand. Make your own conclusions. All I can say is this makes Obama’s Health Care Reform look more dubious and questionable, if this is true. With evidence so far it is looking like a Very Bad Plant by the Democrats.

 

Comment by oowawa | 2009-08-14 22:02:54

Take responsibility.
Acknowledge failure.
Accept criticism.
Provide solutions.

Yes Linda, every politician wants to “take full responsibility,” or at least wants to boast that they are taking responsibility, but none of them want to “take the blame” for their mistakes. “I take full responsibility”–that’s a phrase that rolls glibly off a politician’s tongue, usually with a self-satisfied smirk. But nobody ever says. “Yep, I’m to blame for that, and here’s what I’ll do to set it right.” This last phrase involves the bottom 3 items on your list, and these items are not so easily accomplished as “taking responsibility.” We can’t let them get away with this statement:

“I’ll take full responsibility for that . . . but not the blame!”

Comment by TEX | 2009-08-15 03:14:10

“I take full responsibility, but not the blame. People who are to blame go to jail, people who are responsible do not.”

Wasn’t it Nixon who said that?

Comment by oowawa | 2009-08-15 09:44:24

Hi TEX. I believe it was comedian David Frye, doing his impersonation of Richard Nixon, who said that:

“As commander in chief, I’m responsible,” David Frye once said, doing his impression of Richard Nixon during the height of the Watergate scandal. “But I’m not to blame. Let me explain the difference: People who are to blame go to jail. People who are responsible do not.”

http://www.weblog.keepthejointrunning.com/wordpress/?p=913

 
 
 

Comment by Hillary or Bust | 2009-08-14 22:16:00

I’m Sorry I Voted for Obama website!

http://www.iamsorryivotedforobama.com/

Comment by jbjd | 2009-08-14 23:41:51

It was worth the click just to see the logo.

 

Comment by Obamastolemycounty | 2009-08-15 10:19:11

Boy did that make me smile! I hope they get all the desired signatures and then some!

 
 

Comment by tzada | 2009-08-15 09:15:25

From an email from a relative

This Sunday Fox news, is going to air a very important documentary about Barack Obama, Sunday night at 8:00 PM central / 9 PM Eastern.
The report will go back to Obama’s earlier days, showing even then his close ties to radical Marxist professors, friends, spiritual advisers, etc. It will also reveal detail his ties to Rev. Wright for 20+ yrs. How he was participating with this man, and not for the reasons he states!
The report has uncovered more of Obama’s radical past and we will see things that no one in the media is willing to put out there. It will be a segment to remember.
Mark your calendar and pass this on to everyone you know: Sunday night, 8 PM. CT; 9 PM ET. Democrat or Republican, this report will open your eyes to how YOUR country is being sold down the road to Totalitarian Socialism. If you care about the direction of our country, pass this notice on to everyone you know.

 

Comment by tzada | 2009-08-15 09:24:02

Not sure why my post about FOX Sunday night at 8 EST
who will provide some back history on Obama and his radical past will air. xing my fingers this will post. Is anyone besides me having problems?

 

Comment by tzada | 2009-08-15 10:17:27

That should have said my post on the FOX show did not post.

 

Comment by AM | 2009-08-15 10:48:03

“The Hillary Doctrine” written by
Matthew Kaminski - the weenedn interview

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574348843585706178.html

 

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