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The Master Orator and the Amateur

The one and only. No teleprompters, no nothing but just plain old intellect talking — President Clinton paying tribute to Walter Cronkite at a memorial service held on Wednesday.

President Clinton’s health care reform speech to the Congress from 1993 and more below the fold.

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In his speech at the memorial service, I like to think President Clinton was channeling subliminal messages about the present day TV journalism run amuck or the abysmal lack of intellectual honesty in the Big Media. But I think he is too much of a statesman and cared too much for Cronkite to take any digs at the media scoundrels assembled there.

Clinton is a master craftsman when it comes to choosing words and delivering them with a punch. And I smirked when he reminded Obama the significance of his upcoming health care reform speech on Wednesday night.

How do you think that speech went? Obama sounded angry and he got called out on his lies, at least one of them, loudly and clearly.

Here is Bill Clinton’s speech to the Congress in 1993 where health care reform figured prominently. Transcript here.

A standing ovation for Hillary when a beaming Bill introduced her to those gathered. From what we have learned so far in the health care reform debate, it is one contentious issue with too many power players who are at odds with one another. Hillary was not the impediment as Obama made it out to be during the primary campaign to getting health care reform legislation in 1993-94, she was not divisive, and she did not fail. Obama, more popular than Hillary and the walk on water guy with a super majority in Congress is now flailing (and failing) to get any reasonable (from the progressives point of view) legislation.

I feel Hillary would have done better now — she had nearly 15 years to think over how she would approach it differently. She professed universal health care, not as a campaign rhetoric but with a plan during the primary and the so called progressives rejected her for the shiny penny. They were all promised a pony but will be lucky if they get a donkey, that is, as in a Democratic donkey. Not going to happen with Obama having already made backdoor deals with the insurance and the pharmaceutical industry and who knows whom else. I think it is cute though about how he bashes in his rallies all the people he has made deals with, food for the gullible, and gullible they are. The progressives won’t get a public option, they may not even get a useless trigger for public option from the amateur they voted for. They are getting screwed royally. From TPM:

Remember back on Friday, President Obama discussed the public option on a conference call with House liberals? And remember how the upshot of that call was that Obama planned to meet yesterday with the chairs of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, Congressional Black Caucus, Congressional Hispanic Caucus, And Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus?

Well that meeting never happened. Yesterday, sources told me that the meeting hadn’t been scheduled, but could happen as late as this morning. Today, a House aide tells me that it’s not going to happen at all.

And what is the amateur doing to sell his (non-existent) profound ideas, policies, and position papers that actually implement true reform? As of Saturday, he was reverting to the only thing he knows best, campaigning: screaming in the most absurd fashion his campaign chant “fired up and ready to go,” in his health care rally in Minneapolis, Minnesota. He sounded more like a peddler at a carnival selling his cheap wares. It certainly did not sound presidential. He did the same in Ohio at the AFL-CIO labor day picnic (see video below). As one blog commenter said, he is now into running reruns.

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Comment by shannon | 2009-09-13 17:15:49

What a great tribute by President Clinton. Not only ” just plain old intellect talking”, he spoke from the heart.

Comment by mary | 2009-09-14 02:11:48

Yes,
Straight from the heart–it’s the Clinton way!

Thank you so much for digging up this phenomenal video of Bill Clinton in 93….great stuff!

That’s what a President looks and sounds like!

 
 

Comment by AF catfish | 2009-09-13 17:31:42

OK – when Bill is speaking, Obama is sitting – no he’s slumped in his chair on an aisle seat with the seat next to him empty. Looks odd.

Comment by HARP | 2009-09-13 17:34:53

If you look real close, you can see a really small totus next to him.

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2009-09-13 17:57:40

ROTFLMAO – good one, HARP.

om317, thank you for reminding us of what a TRUE statesman looks like. It has been too long since we have had one (though we do have a pretty awesome stateswoman in Sec. Clinton)…

Comment by Prime Obot | 2009-09-14 01:53:32

My God you people are so sanctimonious. You know, I stoop to no one in my respect for Bill Clinton, but for heaven’s sake — it doesn’t take very find to find examples of the Big Dog not exactly acting like a statesman. And you don’t exactly have to have a PhD in political science to understand that, uh, yeah, it was Hillary and Bill who screwed up health care in 1993. Obama has the sames goals they did, he is going about it much more carefully, and he is going to succeed in bringing health insurance to millions of Americans who desperately need it. You PUMAs will find some reason not to credit the man for it, but it will be the truth nonetheless.

Comment by mary | 2009-09-14 02:30:05

Prime Obot

Gosh, you sound so frail, sweetie.

“Periodically, when Obama feels down, he’ll start launching attacks against you progressives to boost his appeal”

Don’t you know by now hon that you sound as if you’re missin’ the Kool-aid of the campaign outings with bratwurst and the grecian columns and the hoorah….ah the Chicago way as Alice Palmer would gladly say….

now, go finish your cook-aid, sweetie and don’t forget the totus is watching ya!

 

Comment by tek | 2009-09-14 10:59:47

Prime: So sad to be so bamboozled by The One. Take you sanctimonious brainwashed tripe to Daily Kos.

 

Comment by morris1030 | 2009-09-15 17:46:27

So far, Obama has bungled it. The GOP leadership vacuum was given a great gift from Obama. Mr. SiverTongue was silent. When he did decide to speak he was vague, rambled, and offered no substantive details.

In fact he waited so listlessly and so long that he mobilized the republican revolt and allowed them to control the HC debate and rise from the ashes.

In wanting to be the unClinton, the great concilliator let the republicans find flaws that didn’t even exist. Was there any rapid response from the White House? None. Except for Sibelius and a few others all contradicting themselves and sounding like fools.

Amateur politics 101. From what I’m seeing Obama will not pass a bill of any substance and certainly without the PO. The Clintons crafted their bill too early, and now Obama crafts [?] too late.

 
 

Comment by Prime Obot | 2009-09-14 01:54:15

My God you people are so sanctimonious. You know, I stoop to no one in my respect for Bill Clinton, but for heaven’s sake — it doesn’t take very long to find examples of the Big Dog not exactly acting like a statesman. And you don’t exactly have to have a PhD in political science to understand that, uh, yeah, it was Hillary and Bill who screwed up health care in 1993. Obama has the sames goals they did, he is going about it much more carefully, and he is going to succeed in bringing health insurance to millions of Americans who desperately need it. You PUMAs will find some reason not to credit the man for it, but it will be the truth nonetheless.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-09-14 08:18:52

And you don’t exactly have to have a PhD in political science to understand that, uh, yeah, it was Hillary and Bill who screwed up health care in 1993.

That’s it, blame-shifter Prima Botta, when you’re all out of talking points, be a good little automaton and blame everything on the Clintons for the zillionth time. Since you’re such a clairvoyant, I’m sure you can link the Clintons to sunspot activity, solar flares, earthquakes, and typhoons. I understand that you were just a toddler at the time, so I could tell you that it was much more than WJC/HRC that did healthcare reform in then. But instead, I’ll say that it is BOTUS who is responsible for screwing up reform this time around and you boobs are responsible for putting that incredible shrinking lightweight in the position to screw it up. Moreover, you are so dumb you’re planning on doing it again even though he’s been in office a scant 8 months.

You have zero credibility here. Try a web presence with a collective IQ that approaches the number of years you’ve had mass and occupied space–about 17.

 

Comment by tek | 2009-09-14 11:01:33

Oh, and Prime. I hope you’re Mexican so you can go on loving the current dem occupant after your boy genius gives our country away to Latin America.

 
 
 
 

Comment by candymarl | 2009-09-13 21:17:03

Good points. Where is the First Lady? Isn’t this the type of function a First Lady usually attends? Guess not. Now there’s change you can believe in!

Comment by Elsie | 2009-09-14 06:29:10

First lady is busy cleaning the White House.. No time for her to be in official functions. She has to be made invisible. You are forgetting that this is the OBOT’s show and she should not upstage him..

 

Comment by Martha Washington Collier | 2009-09-14 11:31:48

MEchille had to excuse herself to go to the powder room so she wouldn’t lose control and try to scratch Bill’s eyes out. I’m sure she hates any time when Bill speaks first, knowing in contrast 0zer0 will be seen as the child he is.

 
 

Comment by tek | 2009-09-14 10:40:16

Notice how ungracious Obama is. Not even a hint of a smile as Clinton praises him and wishes him well. I think it’s because he knows every time Clinton speaks in public, the difference between the two of them is so PAINFULLY obvious.

Clinton–now there’s a President. And so astute, so politic. He always does the right thing, says the right thing. I’m sure he hates Obama, but he’s always respectful, even deferential, gives the clod his due. And he always comes out looking like a winner to Obama’s weak, fumbling, loser public persona. It must be galling to Obama that after trying so hard to completely destroy Bill And Hillary Clinton, they are more popular than ever–more popular than Obama.

The Clintons haven’t given up yet. We’ll see one of them in the WH yet.

 
 

Comment by MG-PUMA | 2009-09-13 17:45:18

Bill was this Nation’s last *real* President.

MG-PUMA

 

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-09-13 17:46:39

President Clinton is truly a master at oratory. I miss seeing him and hearing him in the WH, still.

Comment by socalannie | 2009-09-13 18:25:41

Me too. Love the way he uses “pauses” to emphasize his point; also, the way he uses illustrations. He is the Master Orator, hands down.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-09-13 20:26:31

Love the way he uses “pauses” to emphasize his point

That is another mark of a true orator. Like great music has pauses, so do great speeches. Clinton’s speeches were like music to my ears–never tinny or off-key.

 

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 20:31:44

The pauses are to generate/acknowledge audience reaction. With Obama since he can’t risk taking his eyes off the teleprompter he rarely recognizes or responds to audience reaction to what he is saying/reading.

Comment by trixta | 2009-09-13 21:28:33

A master orator also conveys complex ideas (of substance!) in an accessible fashion without condescending to his audience. Bill has always respected his audience and has never insulted their intelligence.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 22:06:35

Yes, that he has (always respected his audience). Again a mark of an intellect secure in his own place not afraid to listen and learn from others.

Comment by trixta | 2009-09-13 23:10:32

Unfortunately, Obama confuses leadership with authoritarianism,and his speeches and off-the-cuff remarks reflect this confusion.

Comment by NoBamaNoWay | 2009-09-14 18:22:06

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by IndayHill | 2009-09-13 17:50:29

He needs to sit like a president,listen & learn (minus the teleprompters) to the master of orators, a true orator.
Maybe Obama is thinking who are coming to his beer party, paid for by the taxpayers money. Remember, he & his wife love to have Wednesday party, just like back home in Chicago?

 

Comment by miss becky | 2009-09-13 17:52:36

I watched this the other evening when I came across the show in my surf mode. I watch him whenever I get the chance, because he always has something to say. He is great. He needs no notes or teleprompter because it is already there for him ~ in his heart. He speaks from his life experiences, and the joy he finds in the individuals he meets. Bill loves people. He is the best. Hillary is the best. They are each, in their own way, such unique individuals, one of a kind. How I miss them. I respect them and love them. Now, that one, on the other hand, has few life experiences and is unable to speak from his heart because he has yet to discover where it is.

Comment by carol | 2009-09-15 04:31:38

What speech and former president were you watching?? he read the whole thing, except for his LOOOOOONG pauses when he couldn’t remember the anecdote for his stories.
What, you all would want Obama to stand up and smile because the honorable bill clinton gave him a compliment? that would have gone over like a lead balloon – you would have called him cocky.
the guy will never do right by any of you – i wonder exactly how many of you are the same person posting?

 
 

Comment by Tammy | 2009-09-13 17:56:23

I’ve never understood why people fawn over Obama’s speaking ability.
He’s a READER not a speaker.

Clinton was a master orator. TRULY a master.
I may be conservative/middle leaning, but I loved to hear Clinton speak.

Obama is a rookie.
And his posture in the audience is downright rude.

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2009-09-13 20:19:02

Tammy, speakers that can cut across political divides need no TOTUS. Even if you completely disagree with Bill Clinton, he is speaking is based in reality, not Obamaland.

It may come to a point where the Clintons decide the cost of silence is greater than one of servitude. Did BO really call Bill a racist during the primaries? I know BO’s complete silence then should have foretold an Obots future, but alas, like him they don’t listen.

 

Comment by felizarte | 2009-09-14 08:52:12

Obama is a rookie.
And his posture in the audience is downright rude.

Chances are, he’s only focused on his turn at the microphone with his totus. So self-absorbed. Pathetic.

 
 

Comment by Linda Anselmi | 2009-09-13 17:57:16

Thanks pm317. Enjoyed it!!!

What a statesman. I could listen to Bill Clinton all day.

What’s with Obama’s “Fired up and ready to go” bit. Didn’t he see enough Americans yesterday who were fired up and ready for him to go.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 19:42:46

Hi Linda, I wanted to add this bit to the post but forgot — I will say it here.

Fired up and ready to go, TO DO WHAT?

He is yet to tell us (or incapable of telling) to do what.

Here is the video from Minneapolis, repeating the same story, (I saw it first on Fox news which had better audio and the camera angle (and can’t find that video), and the way he kept shouting it was ridiculous.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7svOaTZrZ0

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-09-13 19:43:49


Fired up and ready to go, TO DO WHAT?

Perhaps do some more speechifying?

 
 

Comment by Katmoon | 2009-09-13 20:23:49

ROFLMAO!! Good one!

“Fired up and ready to go” bit. Didn’t he see enough Americans yesterday who were fired up and ready for him to go.

 

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 20:35:38

Didn’t he see enough Americans yesterday who were fired up and ready for him to go.

Yea, good one. We’re ready for him to go! 2012 can’t come sooner.

 
 

Comment by sjc-tx | 2009-09-13 17:59:12

Pandering to the liberal media… that is ALL obama is doing. Cronkite would have SKEWERED him in the real world!!! I am stunned at Clinton’s bone throwing… geezzzzz What the hell does he think is to be accomplished by pandering to this fool… (that would be the still living fool, playing like a ‘president’…)??!

I am DISGUSTED

Comment by Jackarooty | 2009-09-13 18:48:52

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Clinton knows to how to behave as a good politician should.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-09-13 18:56:07

I’m in agreement. WJC is a survivor and he didn’t get that way by not keeping an eye on rivals–or usurpers–to his throne as the best President in the last X decades (fill in the number) and best orator in the last 6 decades.

Comment by Tammy | 2009-09-13 19:37:16

I have to disagree with one thing: Clinton wasn’t the best orator in six decades, because Ronald Reagan, whether you loved or hated him, was ALSO a great orator.

I know, you probably hated his policies, but he truly was a great speaker. He and Clinton both have that “magic” when they speak.

Both Bushes didn’t have it
Carter didn’t have it
Ford-no
Nixon–NO WAY
LBJ–nada

KENNEDY had it, and that’s only four decades.

Just sayin’.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-09-13 19:45:47

Reagan was great but Clinton could speak without notes and that makes him better, imo.

Comment by Tammy | 2009-09-13 19:53:39

They both spoke without notes off and on, Ferd.
And they were both great.

And so was Kennedy, and he spoke with notes.

The teleprompter(which I’ve used MANY times in my career, and do so much better than Obama) is a cheating device.

Just once, I’d like to see Obama speak with notes, or no notes at all.

I believe he’d fall to pieces.
Such an amateur.

Comment by DBB | 2009-09-13 20:02:20

Baloney, Obama gave a wonderful eulogy for Kennedy with a written text, and what good would a teleprompter be at the press conferences he has given? Reagan never made any extended remarks sans teleprompter or prepared text

Comment by Tammy | 2009-09-13 21:32:06

Yeah, and that’s why he uh, um ahhhhh sucks at all of his Press conferences.

Gimme a break.
Most people with SENSE see right through Obama. You drink too much koolaid.

 

Comment by donjo | 2009-09-13 22:12:24

They’ve move the Totus in his press conferences to a giant screen behind the press corps. So Obumble can read his notes and sort of see his audience.

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2009-09-13 22:17:40

The new big and improved JUMBOTRON-TOTUS?

Comment by Martha Washington Collier | 2009-09-14 11:39:23

Yeah, 0zer0 is like watching a ping pong match. I’m surprised he doesn’t have whiplash.

Bill was a joy to behold when he was here in Monterey. No notes, no TOTUS, completely spontaneous. He also took time to give us a short lesson on economics, bringing the audience up to his understanding…no condescending or talking down. 0zer0 knows no other way.

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Comment by trixta | 2009-09-13 23:21:36

Let’s just say that I was not of fan of Reagan, but he could deliver a speech (he believed in what he was saying) and did have charisma. But, I’m with Ferd on this one, Clinton always conveys his ideas brilliantly without notes and without alienating his audience. There is always an undercurrent of positivity and inclusivity in his tone.

Comment by socalannie | 2009-09-14 03:40:06

Extremely well said! Absolutely agree with everything in your comment! :)

 
 
 

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 19:55:09

Reagan didn’t have the superb intellect Clinton has. Just sayin’

Comment by Tammy | 2009-09-13 20:59:26

Oh puleeeeeeze.

Let’s stay away from those opinions tonight, okay? I work in the profession of speaking, and I’m just talking about oratory skills.
Can we PLEASE not get into nasty tonight?
Just asking.

Comment by imustprotest | 2009-09-13 21:15:56

I agree. Clinton and Reagan, both masters in the art of story telling and thus, speech making. They could inspire and console during the times that the country needed either.

 

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 21:24:38

Not trying to be nasty. I think Bill Clinton is more well rounded than Reagan, having both emotional intelligence and high intellect. Intellect is part of your expression and that comes through in Bill Clinton in ways you don’t see with Reagan.

Comment by Tammy | 2009-09-13 22:19:30

I’m just talking about speaking ability.
The rest of it makes absolutely NO difference.

You can have 10 degrees from Yale and that does not make you a great speaker.

They both had “the gift”.

And you don’t see the ways with Reagan because you are blinded by politics.

I put politics aside and judge the communicators.

They were both great.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 22:23:19

Good for you, Tammy. You’re a better person than I am.

Comment by Tammy | 2009-09-13 22:44:41

Well, one of the reasons that I like this site is that people are reasonable. For the most part.
I lose it occasionally, and so do others.

I’m not a better person than you.
We just disagree.

I love great speakers, and since I work in the business, I enjoy great communicators no matter what party they are from.

It’s also interesting to see how they manipulate us through their speech and body language.

For example, the back of the hand gesture that is often used by Obama is an indication of what he thinks of us. It’s dismissive.

He points a LOT, which is authoritative, saying,”Do it or else”.

Obama “leaks” so much anger in his body language that I can’t believe anyone is mesmerized by this man.

Neither Clinton nor Reagan did this.
Obama does it consistently.
He is no great orator, unless you are one of his “subjects”.

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Comment by imustprotest | 2009-09-14 08:45:27

Exactly! Thank you, I’ve never heard anyone point out the obvious anger oozing from Obama. It’s in his voice, on his face, and as you point out, in his body language. It seems to me that this so-called “calm” man is actually on the verge of “losing it” most of the time.

 

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-09-14 09:32:45

It seems to me that this so-called “calm” man is actually on the verge of “losing it” most of the time.

Yeah, the meltdown is a-comin’. His nanometer-thin skin can only take so much chafing.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Comment by tek | 2009-09-14 11:04:21

Tammy: Ronald Reagan was an ACTOR. Say it out loud: ACTOR. Even so, he always shuffled around and mumbled in public because he was trying to create the image of The Gipper in the WH.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-14 11:13:39

Yeah, I forgot about his acting career for a minute there. He could memorize the lines and deliver them playing the president. In comparison that is where Clinton’s intellect becomes real and exceptional and an aid to his master oratory.

 
 
 
 

Comment by trixta | 2009-09-13 21:32:40

Also by giving BO advice, he is revealing to the world what an novice and inept leader BO is.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 22:03:25

And BO does not help in the way he is sitting in that chair. What a nincompoop.

 
 
 

Comment by tek | 2009-09-14 10:42:54

sjc: great insight. Obama and his ilk are demagogues. Cronkite was the real deal.

 
 

Comment by carolhaka | 2009-09-13 18:07:34

Okay, this is hysterical!

Obama has finally figured out he needs a new plan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NWtBhSp74I

CAROL HAKA :evil:

Comment by sjc-tx | 2009-09-13 18:15:44

Oh my!! don;t know whether to laugh or cry… Wow!

 

Comment by Tammy | 2009-09-13 18:55:48

Carol:
OMG that was so funny I almost wee wee’d my pants!

I’m passing it on. LMAO.

 

Comment by econsmed | 2009-09-13 20:41:57

hysterical!!

 

Comment by Martha Washington Collier | 2009-09-14 11:51:53

Someone did this one during the campaign with appropriate sub-titles.

This one is even funnier…considering we actually have history with this jerk…they really cued the dialogue perfectly. I laughed until tears were streaming…

Comment by carolhaka | 2009-09-14 19:33:00

Yeah, I saw that last year also.

This one is better now that Obama has grown the tiny mustache for us to see.

CAROL HAKA :evil:

 
 
 

Comment by rw | 2009-09-13 18:45:25

When Obama speaks it seems as if he’s talking to simpletons. He’s a salesman not a president.

I wonder if the story is even true, after all he seems to be reading every line.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 19:57:23

The story has been embellished 100 times from what I read during the campaign (don’t have a link).

 

Comment by shannon | 2009-09-13 20:29:18

True or not, that story is tedious beyond belief! This is the gifted speaker??

 

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-09-13 20:36:34

Yes he does. In addition, That One’s speeches are not inclusive but are more akin to lectures–he speaks and the audience must listen but never participate, as it were. He talks at people and not to them or with them. His speeches do not discuss but demand. Frankly, I find him a tidal bore–one speech sounds like the last which in turn will sound like the one he next gives (probably tomorrow).

Comment by trixta | 2009-09-13 21:34:58

Yes, Obama pontificates in the worst way!

 
 

Comment by rosa | 2009-09-13 22:12:54

He would never convince me to buy anything let alone his healthcare plan or any other. I expect a salesman to know his product!

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 22:18:43

bbbbbut, he gives you “hope and change” and “gets you fired up and ready to go” and makes you say “yes you can,” and tells you “you’re the one you’re waiting for.”

Comment by felizarte | 2009-09-14 09:50:06

Remember his “anti-war” speech which did not get recorded? Well, I think he is giving these speeches about healthcare (which are so different from what’s in the House Bill and as yet an inexistent Senate Bill) as preparation for his re-election campaign. It doesn’t matter whether they get enacted into law–he has the clips to prove that spoke what he wanted.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-14 10:59:45

Watch for him to “lie” full force in support of public option in these rallies KNOWING it will never get passed because Collins and Snowe are already coming out to say they won’t support it. Watch for the Whole food nation to console themselves with another lie that “at least he tried.”

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by DBB | 2009-09-13 19:20:27

He’s reading from a prepared text just as Obama did at Ted Kennedy’s memorial service.

 

Comment by Cathy in Ks. | 2009-09-13 19:21:09

There’s no one like Bill Clinton. The man from “Hope” is the real deal. Tears came to my eyes as I listened to Bill. I voted both times for Bill Clinton and later campaigned for Hillary because they have always shown that they genuinely care about “we the people”. The Clintons are like Walter Cronkite, i. e. what you see is what they are – no air-brushed phony speeches but simple words delivered with sincerity, compassion and grace.

 

Comment by Tammy | 2009-09-13 19:56:05

I don’t know if any of you have noticed this before, but both Obama and Michelle have deep scowl lines on their faces.
And indication of deeply angry/hostile people.
Just noticing…

 

Comment by Katmoon | 2009-09-13 19:58:11

Thanks pm,

Always nice to reflect back to President Clinton. :)

 

Comment by Cooney | 2009-09-13 20:10:01

Obama has no history of him or about him. Clinton has history and has made history. The contrast could not be more stark between the two. Honestly, Obama is a modern day manchurian candidate. He is what others say of him and no more.

 

Comment by imustprotest | 2009-09-13 20:11:40

Bill Clinton’s voice is like velvet to me. Obama’s is prickly.
[sigh] I miss Bill Clinton.

Comment by Tammy | 2009-09-13 21:04:18

He used his EYES in a way that Obama never could. The tilt of his head, and the use of cadence in his voice was very soothing.

Obama is constantly lecturing and goes DOWN at the end of his sentences. Negativity pervades.

NO comparison between the two.
None.

Bill, hands down, is the winner.

By the way, WHAT a speaker says only accounts for 7 percent of communication.
HOW a speaker says the words accounts for 38% of communication.

Obama is an amateur compared to Bill.

 
 

Comment by marym | 2009-09-13 20:16:06

Obama looks mad in his aisle seat. Not sure why, but maybe he realized that people would be comparing them and he could not help but fall far short.
Someone with even an ounce of Presidential energy would have at least looked the part, even if there were sour grapes in their mouth.
I cringe with embarrassment every time I look at his sorry a__. I doubt I will ever understand how the American people did not see the Emperor had/has no clothes. His inadequacies have always been so glaring and his speeches have rarely been good to those who have heard truly great oratory. I guess the younger people have not heard great speakers? I know the African American community has, but their desire to ignore his lacking can be understood.
I grieve too that this poor specimen is our first black President. Maybe it is worth it to have that race barrier broken even by one of the least among them, but maybe the barrier will be stronger and more rigid in the future due to him. Maybe he will set back race relations? I hope not. I hope improved race relations can be one benefit from it all.
I keep hoping he will wake up and grow into the role he was so adamant about obtaining. I keep hoping for that, but each day he seems no different.
At times like this one almost has to fall back on some type of faith, as there seems so little else to clinge to. God save us all.

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2009-09-13 20:31:51

by one of the least among them.

you mean ‘Among us’? ‘Us’ as in Americans?

No, I hear what you are saying marym, but no race or creed is monolitic, unless your a Wraith.

BO has set back race relations by decades already. By his constant and overt use of the race card he has subverted any meaningful, rational national discussion of racial justice.

Still, let whatever faith you have guide you true, clinge to it not.

 

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 20:42:08

I keep hoping he will wake up and grow into the role he was so adamant about obtaining. I keep hoping for that, but each day he seems no different.
At times like this one almost has to fall back on some type of faith, as there seems so little else to clinge to. God save us all.

I hear you, marym.

 

Comment by candymarl | 2009-09-13 20:47:45

I noticed one gentleman kept looking at Obama. It was as if he was waiting for Obama to applaud or in some other way acknowledge the compliments Bill Clinton just gave him. Other than a couple of nods – nothing.

Obama’s problem is this I think. He can’t check his ego at the door long enough to do what’s best for the country. He doesn’t have the chops to stop campaigning. It’s all he knows. The American people are getting tired of slogans and want results.

Let’s see if Obama can deliver.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-13 21:11:44

If you see the 1993 speech I put up in the post, you will see Bill saying thank you repeatedly to the Congress for their applause. I don’t remember seeing such humility with Obama ever.

 
 
 

Comment by Oisafraud | 2009-09-13 20:57:04

Obama sickens me everytime he opens his mouth. Obama can’t even explain his own reform plans and has no idea how the health care system works. There’s no way in hell any reform sign by Obama will lower cost, cover everyone, and of higher quality. No no no. Neither one will ever be achieved.If anyone says health care will cost less next year they are lying. Period.

 

Comment by I'm a Linda too | 2009-09-13 21:35:42

pm, I was right there with ya on Bill’s hinted messaging.

Damn, he is good. A great speaker. And, listening to that speech is what leadership means, not like the loser in the W H now, over his head and resorting to accusations, nastiness, intimidation tactics. It’s so embarassing that he is our president.

 

Comment by beachnan | 2009-09-13 23:07:22

It felt so good to be a Democrat during Clinton’s years. His speeches always touched my heart because he was speaking from his. Even during the Lewinsky era, I never stopped being proud of President Clinton and the job he was doing. We had a chance last year to bring back that magic, and instead the Democratic Party screwed up royally by deciding they could make that selection for us. Damn them, they deserve to get their asses handed to them in the next election.

 
 

Comment by jacksmith | 2009-09-13 23:58:44

Why A Strong Public Option Is Essential – By jacksmith — Working Class

Robert Reich explains the pubic option: http://bit.ly/dDYSJ http://robertreich.blogspot.com/

John Garamendi on the Public Option and the Grassroots: http://bit.ly/TJMty

It’s not just because more than two thirds of the American people want a single payer health care system. And if they cant have a single payer system 77% of all Americans want a strong government-run public option on day one (86% of democrats, 75% of independents, and 72% republicans). Basically everyone.

It’s not just because according to a new AARP POLL: 86 percent of seniors want universal healthcare security for All, including 93% of Democrats, 87% of Independents, and 78% of Republicans. With 79% of seniors supporting creating a new strong Government-run public option plan, available immediately. Including 89% of Democrats, 80% of Independents, and 61% of Republicans, STUNNING!!

It’s not just because it will lower cost. Because a strong public option will dramatically lower cost for everyone. And dramatically improved the quality of care everyone receives in America and around the World. Rich, middle class, and poor a like.

It’s not just because it will save trillions of dollars and prevent the needless deaths of millions more of YOU, caused by a rush to profit by the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!

It’s not just because every expert in every field, including economist, and Nobel laureates all agree that free market based healthcare systems don’t work. Never have and never will. The US has the only truly free market based healthcare system in the World. And as you all know now, IT IS A DISASTER!

It’s not just because providing or denying medically necessary care for profit motivations is wrong. Because it is WRONG! It’s professionally, ethically, and morally REPUGNANT!, Animalistic, VILE and EVIL.

THE REASON THE PUBLIC OPTION IS ESSENTIAL:

The public option is ESSENTIAL because over 200 million of you are trapped in the forest of the wolves. Which is the forest of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! With no way out except through needless inhumane suffering, and DEATH. While the wolves tear at your flesh, and rip you limb from lib. Then feast on your lifeless bodies like a dead carcase for transplant parts.

At the most vulnerable times of your lives (when you were sick and hurting), millions of you have had to fight and loose cruel, but heroic battles. Fighting against the big guns of the DISGRACEFUL, GREED DRIVEN, PRIVATE FOR PROFIT MEDICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX! in the forest of the wolves. All because you have no place else to go. You have no other CHOICE!

But the PUBLIC OPTION will give you someplace safe to go. And it will give us someplace safe to take you. The public option will be your refugium (your refuge). Where the wolves cannot get at you when your down, hurting, and vulnerable. Where everyone who needs it can find rest, security, comfort and the care they need. Protected by the BIG GUNS of We The People Of The United States. THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE AND COUNTRY ON EARTH.

This is why it is so critical that we do not lead another 50 million vulnerable, uninsured Americans into the forest of the wolves, without the protections of a Strong Government-run public option. We The People Of The United States MUST NOT LET THAT HAPPEN to any more of our fellow Americans. If healthcare reform does not contain a strong public option on day one. YOU MUST! KILL IT. Or you will do far more harm than good. And millions more will die needlessly. Rich, middle class, and poor a like.

To those who would continue to obstruct good and true healthcare reform for the American people, and who seek to trap millions more vulnerable Americans in the forest of the wolves. We will continue to fight you. We are prepared to wage all out war against you, and will eagerly DESTROY! you. Time…is…UP! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! No Co-op’s! No Triggers! NO INDIVIDUAL MANDATES! without a Strong public option on day one.

Healthcare reform can be the GREATEST! Accomplishment of our time and century. A time when future generations may say of us, that we were all, AMERICAS GREATEST GENERATIONS.

BUT WE MUST ACT!

I therefore call on all my fellow Americans and the peoples of the World. To join us in this fight so that we may finish becoming the better America that we aspire to be for everyone.

SPREAD THE WORD!

I have been privileged to be witness as many of you fought, and struggled to take your first breath, and your last breath on this earth. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Life is precious.

Whatever the cost. WE! MUST SUCCEED.

God Bless You My Fellow Human Beings

jacksmith — Working Class

No Triggers! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-rosenbaum/a-trigger-for-the-public_b_277910.html

Triggers http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/weve-seen-these-triggers_b_283583.html

Krugman on heathcare (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/25/why-markets-cant-cure-healthcare/)

Senator Bernie Sanders on healthcare (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSM8t_cLZgk&feature=player_embedded)

 

Comment by jackie | 2009-09-14 00:59:54

There’s also one thing I’ve noticed about both Bill and Hillary Clinton. They are always praising Obama, giving him credit, and respecting him in all of their introductions, speeches, and comments. Which is as it should be. They are Democrats. He is the POTUS.

But I have never heard Obama praise the Clinton’s. I mean, I could have missed it, but I don’t think so. He seems to generally despise these two. And he never gives them any credit, respect, or praise. If he’s seeking their advice, it’s all in secret because what, he’s too ashamed of them or he doesn’t want to admit they are expert politicians. I’ve heard Obama praise Reagan several times. I’ve never heard him say a positive thing about Clinton or Clinton’s success as POTUS. Strange.

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-09-14 08:28:23

In a word, That One is petulant.

 

Comment by Thinker | 2009-09-14 12:14:33

It’s very strange and I’ve noticed this as well.

The Clinton’s try to be team players with Obama, but he goes on & on about Reagan. I talked to my working-class family about life under Reagan, & they said it wasn’t that hot. They had it better when Clinton was in office.

The Democrats had Clinton, the guy that brought them back to back championships! I’d promote him every chance I got.

 
 

Comment by glennmcgahee | 2009-09-14 08:35:13

The way Obama speaks is the way most Baptist preachers give their sermons. Its an old trick and one he picked up by watching the good ole Rev. Wright for 20 years. Yep, its intoxicating, especially the fire and brimstone parts, all ending with people speaking in tongues and convulsing on the floor. But since the 2nd coming has already happened for his followers, there is nothing to look forward to. Its all downhill from here.

Comment by tek | 2009-09-14 10:47:21

glenn: his handlers taught him to speak that way. Appeal to the religious, appeal to MLKs fans. I heard him at a fundraiser in IL when he ran for Senate. Absolutely nothing exceptional about his speech at all. He read from a teleprompter. He was an hour late, left immediately–no questions. Macx Cleland was the warmup act; way better than Obama.

Obama is least personable Prez ever. So totally absorbed in himself and his image. I think he knows he’s in over his head and he’s constantly worried that someone is going to pull the curtain and reveal his Wizard act.

 

Comment by Thinker | 2009-09-14 12:03:07

Exactly.

His preacher voice/act is so tired.

There are some men that speak in a certain way – MLK comes to mind, but he did that naturally. There was just something about Martin Luther King’s voice that resonated with people.

Obama sounds so fake when he does it. He’s always copying other people. MLK, Lincoln, JFK. Will the real Barack/Barry stand up please?

He reminds me of something that Martin Lawrence joked about on his show, “Talk, but don’t say anything.”

 
 

Comment by Gary | 2009-09-14 10:45:22

I’ll tell you, when it comes to speaking, no one does it better than the Big Dog!!! My favorite president, speaking about my favorite newscaster.

Very fitting.

 

Comment by Thinker | 2009-09-14 11:50:26

I’m soooo glad that I’m old enough to remember that Bill Clinton was a great president. I was so sad when a 19 year old said to me, “Yeah, I don’t know much about him.” The best President we have had in a loooong time & kids don’t even know anything about him??

I was a kid/teen when he was office, but I distinctly remember how so many people in my family liked him. They thought he was genuine, flaws & all. I’ve NEVER heard a voter say that Bill Clinton talked down to them.

The difference between Clinton and that one is very striking. Clinton, the Rhodes Scholar that he is, speaks with intelligence. Obama sounds like a tacky used car salesman that wants to get you to buy a lemon.

Comment by pm317 | 2009-09-14 12:43:33

He is now trying to sell a lemon of a health care reform, alright!

Comment by Ferd Berfle | 2009-09-14 18:37:02

Yeah, it’s a clunker too, so to speak.

 
 
 

Comment by foxyladi14 | 2009-09-14 18:49:41

i love both the Clinton’s.
they are the best thing for America.

 

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