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		<title>By: Cathy in Ks.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/10/17/health-care-opposition-is-a-bigger-question-than-stupid-is-as-stupid-does/#comment-1267609</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy in Ks.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever since, Obama made the comment behind closed doors to a group of San Francisco elite about the small-town, bible carrying, gun totin&#039; people of Pa., I knew Obama was not a &quot;man of the people&quot;.  Of course these people were Hillary supporters so insulting them was politically correct.  What made matters worse, when the contents of Obama&#039;s speech were made public, the silence on the part of many leaders in the democratic party was deafening.  The democratic party has been bought and sold for a few pieces of silver.  There will be no true health care reform with this president and this congress.  We can only oppose their insidious efforts and then vote them out in 2010 and 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever since, Obama made the comment behind closed doors to a group of San Francisco elite about the small-town, bible carrying, gun totin&#8217; people of Pa., I knew Obama was not a &#8220;man of the people&#8221;.  Of course these people were Hillary supporters so insulting them was politically correct.  What made matters worse, when the contents of Obama&#8217;s speech were made public, the silence on the part of many leaders in the democratic party was deafening.  The democratic party has been bought and sold for a few pieces of silver.  There will be no true health care reform with this president and this congress.  We can only oppose their insidious efforts and then vote them out in 2010 and 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: whoframedrudy</title>
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		<dc:creator>whoframedrudy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the townhallers are stupid, then I&#039;m with stupid.</description>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-)</description>
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		<title>By: jwrjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwrjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They nominated the “intellectual and eloquent [gag me with a spoon] orator” from Illinois&quot;?  I thought they nominated Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They nominated the “intellectual and eloquent [gag me with a spoon] orator” from Illinois&#8221;?  I thought they nominated Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Health Care Opposition is a Bigger Question than Stupid is as &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/10/17/health-care-opposition-is-a-bigger-question-than-stupid-is-as-stupid-does/#comment-1267526</link>
		<dc:creator>Health Care Opposition is a Bigger Question than Stupid is as &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More here: Health Care Opposition is a Bigger Question than Stupid is as &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 21:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, he does. He&#039;s THAT stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, he does. He&#8217;s THAT stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: foxyladi14</title>
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		<dc:creator>foxyladi14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 19:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course,,no free lunch ya know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course,,no free lunch ya know</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berfle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ferd Berfle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, but it is even worse--they redefine or re-invent words so that they can claim ultimate ignorance when you call them on it. On another thread, Zippy used the word &quot;good&quot; as an equivocation for competent. I called him on it but... got no response. Sloppy use of words and/or creating fissures in the language are the hallmarks of extremists.

I will call any troll on their use of words from now on because they use them as a poor substitute for reason and more often than not, get away with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, but it is even worse&#8211;they redefine or re-invent words so that they can claim ultimate ignorance when you call them on it. On another thread, Zippy used the word &#8220;good&#8221; as an equivocation for competent. I called him on it but&#8230; got no response. Sloppy use of words and/or creating fissures in the language are the hallmarks of extremists.</p>
<p>I will call any troll on their use of words from now on because they use them as a poor substitute for reason and more often than not, get away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: jwrjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jwrjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trolls do take what they thought you should have said and criticize you for their re-interpretation - the worst sort of &quot;straw man&quot; argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trolls do take what they thought you should have said and criticize you for their re-interpretation &#8211; the worst sort of &#8220;straw man&#8221; argument.</p>
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		<title>By: b mathews</title>
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		<dc:creator>b mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>since obaME has outsourced most everything to others while he jet sets around the world, (so much for his being ready on day one..or 2 or 275 )makes me wonder if all this healthcare reform b/s is just another one of his &quot;distractions&quot; to keep us from seeing his true agenda...being  president of the world. someone must have told this neophyte idiot that if he goes along and follows orders they will make him king of the world.  and he calls us stupid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>since obaME has outsourced most everything to others while he jet sets around the world, (so much for his being ready on day one..or 2 or 275 )makes me wonder if all this healthcare reform b/s is just another one of his &#8220;distractions&#8221; to keep us from seeing his true agenda&#8230;being  president of the world. someone must have told this neophyte idiot that if he goes along and follows orders they will make him king of the world.  and he calls us stupid?</p>
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		<title>By: b mathews</title>
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		<dc:creator>b mathews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does obama really think that giving seniors  $250 will shut us up and make us so greatful that we will happily go along with his ridiculous healthcare plan? he can shove that 250 where the sun dont  shine. (it isnt even enough to buy those $500 sneakers his wife wears)  he giveth with one hand and take back with the other. (no COLA increase).  we are NOT fools and we wont be bought off so cheaply. just because we are old , doesnt mean we are stupid. we may be forgetful sometimes but i can assure you we WILL remember the names of all  those reprsentatives who vote for this bill  come 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does obama really think that giving seniors  $250 will shut us up and make us so greatful that we will happily go along with his ridiculous healthcare plan? he can shove that 250 where the sun dont  shine. (it isnt even enough to buy those $500 sneakers his wife wears)  he giveth with one hand and take back with the other. (no COLA increase).  we are NOT fools and we wont be bought off so cheaply. just because we are old , doesnt mean we are stupid. we may be forgetful sometimes but i can assure you we WILL remember the names of all  those reprsentatives who vote for this bill  come 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: mountainaires</title>
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		<dc:creator>mountainaires</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not just health care reform. It&#039;s everything. It&#039;s the theft, the corruption, the fraud, the lack of accountability, and the repetition of all of the above. With each new election, we think we&#039;re getting a new administration; what we get is the repetition of all of the above. 

&lt;em&gt;&quot;It&#039;s the lies, stupid.&quot; &lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s this:

They pass a new bill to protect consumers, then they exempt 98% of banks from being subject to the new regulations. It&#039;s just theft, fraud, corruption, and the repetition of all of the above. 

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com:80/2009/10/word-of-day-exemptions-98-of-banks.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just health care reform. It&#8217;s everything. It&#8217;s the theft, the corruption, the fraud, the lack of accountability, and the repetition of all of the above. With each new election, we think we&#8217;re getting a new administration; what we get is the repetition of all of the above. </p>
<p><em>&#8220;It&#8217;s the lies, stupid.&#8221; </em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s this:</p>
<p>They pass a new bill to protect consumers, then they exempt 98% of banks from being subject to the new regulations. It&#8217;s just theft, fraud, corruption, and the repetition of all of the above. </p>
<p><a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com:80/2009/10/word-of-day-exemptions-98-of-banks.html" rel="nofollow">http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com:80/2009/10/word-of-day-exemptions-98-of-banks.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The problem is we recognize an embarrassingly small range of skills as culturally and politically worthy. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

LisaB,

This struck me at the beginning of your post.  The knowledge and skills that make a person &quot;worthy&quot; as a politician seem to me to now be exactly the knowledge and skills we should rule out in the politicians we elect.  

Do you know how to be two-faced and to talk out of both sides of your mouth?  Do you know how to spend gazillion dollars that are not dollars you have earned in any respect?  Have you had a lot of book learning and theory learning but no practical experience?  Do you live and work in a &quot;community&quot; of only people like you?  Are all those people you associate with fat-headed egotists?  If you answer &quot;yes&quot; then you are currently a politician and should not be re-elected.

I was only a little girl, but I can remember my father and his friends talking during the 1952 election.  They liked Ike because they didn&#039;t like the &quot;egghead&quot; description of Stevenson.  My family were mostly those farmers you mentioned earlier.  They wanted someone who had practical knowledge.  

Later, as I grew up to be somewhat of a bookish egghead myself, I thought a lot about this.  At first I was a little hurt that my book knowldege and my education would be held against me if I decided to run for office.  But as I got into my studies, I realized that I might be the last person I would vote for if I ran for office.  I was interested only in my field.

This is from the Wikipedia article about the &#039;52 election:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Incumbent President Harry S. Truman decided not to run, so the Democratic Party instead nominated Governor Adlai Stevenson II of Illinois; Stevenson had gained a reputation in Illinois as an intellectual and eloquent orator. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So this time the Democratic Party rejected a Truman-like straight talker, one who could let the buck stop at her desk for the &quot;intellectual and eloquent [gag me with a spoon] orator&quot; from Illinois.  (Too bad the election didn&#039;t turn out like the &#039;52 election, IMHO.)

Yes, Obambi is doing nothing to further his great intellectual cause by calling the people he must convince stupid.

Those little mommie&#039;s-basement-living, kool-aid-drinking obots don&#039;t care about the healthcare issue anyway.  They just want it to pass without having to work for it because they think it will mean they don&#039;t have to buy insurance, can pay the fine for not buying it, and get their emergency care free.  And those &quot;old folks&quot; should HAVE to pay for their care anyway, as far as they are concerned.

We need reform.  We need it to be done the right way when it is time to do it the right way.  This administration&#039;s and this Congress&#039;s way is not the right way, and this is definitely not the right time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The problem is we recognize an embarrassingly small range of skills as culturally and politically worthy. </p></blockquote>
<p>LisaB,</p>
<p>This struck me at the beginning of your post.  The knowledge and skills that make a person &#8220;worthy&#8221; as a politician seem to me to now be exactly the knowledge and skills we should rule out in the politicians we elect.  </p>
<p>Do you know how to be two-faced and to talk out of both sides of your mouth?  Do you know how to spend gazillion dollars that are not dollars you have earned in any respect?  Have you had a lot of book learning and theory learning but no practical experience?  Do you live and work in a &#8220;community&#8221; of only people like you?  Are all those people you associate with fat-headed egotists?  If you answer &#8220;yes&#8221; then you are currently a politician and should not be re-elected.</p>
<p>I was only a little girl, but I can remember my father and his friends talking during the 1952 election.  They liked Ike because they didn&#8217;t like the &#8220;egghead&#8221; description of Stevenson.  My family were mostly those farmers you mentioned earlier.  They wanted someone who had practical knowledge.  </p>
<p>Later, as I grew up to be somewhat of a bookish egghead myself, I thought a lot about this.  At first I was a little hurt that my book knowldege and my education would be held against me if I decided to run for office.  But as I got into my studies, I realized that I might be the last person I would vote for if I ran for office.  I was interested only in my field.</p>
<p>This is from the Wikipedia article about the &#8216;52 election:</p>
<blockquote><p>Incumbent President Harry S. Truman decided not to run, so the Democratic Party instead nominated Governor Adlai Stevenson II of Illinois; Stevenson had gained a reputation in Illinois as an intellectual and eloquent orator. </p></blockquote>
<p>So this time the Democratic Party rejected a Truman-like straight talker, one who could let the buck stop at her desk for the &#8220;intellectual and eloquent [gag me with a spoon] orator&#8221; from Illinois.  (Too bad the election didn&#8217;t turn out like the &#8216;52 election, IMHO.)</p>
<p>Yes, Obambi is doing nothing to further his great intellectual cause by calling the people he must convince stupid.</p>
<p>Those little mommie&#8217;s-basement-living, kool-aid-drinking obots don&#8217;t care about the healthcare issue anyway.  They just want it to pass without having to work for it because they think it will mean they don&#8217;t have to buy insurance, can pay the fine for not buying it, and get their emergency care free.  And those &#8220;old folks&#8221; should HAVE to pay for their care anyway, as far as they are concerned.</p>
<p>We need reform.  We need it to be done the right way when it is time to do it the right way.  This administration&#8217;s and this Congress&#8217;s way is not the right way, and this is definitely not the right time.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck O'Fama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buck O'Fama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama never had a REAL job before the Presidency.  The only thing most of the members of Congress are good at is running for office (yeah, we&#039;ll overlook thievery for now.)  These are the people who are &quot;designing&quot; a one-size-fits-all no-other-choice healthcare plan for 300 million people who they don&#039;t know and probably would have little regard for if they did.  And WE&#039;RE the ones who are &quot;stupid&quot;?  Can you say &quot;projection&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama never had a REAL job before the Presidency.  The only thing most of the members of Congress are good at is running for office (yeah, we&#8217;ll overlook thievery for now.)  These are the people who are &#8220;designing&#8221; a one-size-fits-all no-other-choice healthcare plan for 300 million people who they don&#8217;t know and probably would have little regard for if they did.  And WE&#8217;RE the ones who are &#8220;stupid&#8221;?  Can you say &#8220;projection&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Helen with a T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen with a T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember the old Rube Goldberg cartoons because when I looked over the Baucus bill, that is what I was reminded of, A machine of many parts that went in all directions, pushed here and there but nothing looked as though it fitted together.  Crazy, but that is what happens when you are helping one group ie the insurance cos. but trying to make it look as though you are helping another group altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember the old Rube Goldberg cartoons because when I looked over the Baucus bill, that is what I was reminded of, A machine of many parts that went in all directions, pushed here and there but nothing looked as though it fitted together.  Crazy, but that is what happens when you are helping one group ie the insurance cos. but trying to make it look as though you are helping another group altogether.</p>
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