Is Hillary “Out-Out”?
By Amy Siskind on October 29, 2009 at 3:30 PM in Current Affairs
Reprinted from my group’s blog at The New Agenda.
Just like Whoopi’s: It wasn’t “rape-rape”.
And Rep Alan Grayson: She’s not a “whore-whore”.
I’m starting to get the feeling that Hillary Clinton isn’t “out-out“.
Yesterday, RealClearPolitics had this to say about the most recent belittlement of Hillary:
Hillary Clinton did not need another man stealing her thunder. Last week, John Kerry earned headlines for convincing Afghan President Hamid Karzai to agree to a run-off election. The Senate’s top man on foreign affairs looked more like the secretary of state. And naturally, political observers wondered where was the secretary of state?
Kerry took pains to convey that he did not upstage Clinton on the world stage. Rather, he said, she facilitated the shuttle diplomacy. But White House press secretary Robert Gibbs did not help matters. “Secretary Kerry,” Gibbs gaffed to reporters.
And of course, we couldn’t help but notice that Hillary is only #18 on GQ’s list of the most powerful in DC. Or the fact that The Sunday New York Times, page 1, mentioned that 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue has been transformed into a frat house.
A couple of weeks ago, Tina Brown wrote a piece over at The Daily Beast titled Hillary and the ‘Woman Thing’. In Tina’s op-ed, she writes:
It’s as if she has learned how to circumnavigate that tiresome phallic competition and acknowledged what’s different—and valuable—about her own female nature.
A sort of rising above the whole fraternity ordeal and finding herself at peace.
Tina’s piece in a way reminded me of part of an op-ed that I wrote about Hillary for The Daily Beast in July titled Sit Down and Shut Up. The piece mostly focused on how Obama was keeping Hillary away from the public eye, but just as Tina writes about Hillary “circumnavigate the tiresome phallic competition”, here’s what I wrote about Palin:
But Sarah Palin, perhaps unwittingly, found a way to short circuit this whole diminution and demolition process. She decided that she didn’t want to be in the fraternity after all. She would rather charter her own sorority and set up her own rules.
Now there’s little doubt in my mind that Sarah Palin will be back. And there’s also little doubt in my mind that Palin will come after all those have wronged her along the way. Likely with much success.
And I’m also starting to wonder, as I watch as a very interested observer from the sideline, if Hillary won’t at some point reach that same tipping point. If Hillary isn’t now just grinning but behind the scenes counting up the offenses launched against her – some subtle, others not so subtle. And I wonder if Hillary isn’t contemplating as time goes on that in fact, revenge is a dish best served cold.
So as President Obama continues to fumble along and decline in popularity – and seems to alienate one part of his base and then another – from the LGBT community, to the far left, and now to women – where will we be in a year or two?
After the endless 2009 mea culpa’s from those who chastised our devotion to Hillary, calling us “Clinton Dead-enders,” and now realize, um, sorry – we were right, what’s next? How many more articles do we need to read about disillusioned Democrats yearning for Hillary.
Well maybe it’s just a dream, but as time marches on, I continue to wonder. And with support groups in place now like The New Agenda – even with NOW under new leadership – would we be silent for another misogyny-fest? Not hardly. We would be all over the blogosphere and airwaves crushing the sexist and stopping them in their tracks – just as we are doing now.
So we’ll keep watching. And dreaming.
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There’s a headline article up today that Bill nixed Hillary’s consideration as VP. I don’t believe for a minute that Hillary is bossed around by Bill, but I found it interesting that this headline appeared. When Obama gets scared by Hillary’s popularity we always see some negative story about the Clintons. Geez, Obie, get a clue.
This is the counter story that MO nixed the VP idea
And a similar story that I read today, stating that BO decided on Biden because he didn’t want to have to live with Bill. It was an excerpt from Plouffe’s book on the rise to heaven’s gate by The Glorious One.
You’re right, tek, and I think some of us even predicted here on this blog that something nasty would get printed about Hillary when the polls showed her to be more popular that That One. His narcissism makes him so predictable.
It took them that long to find this out? Please. Hillary is more popular than Obama Bill aside.
Mr. Ego can’t take it. Even conservative Republicans, Indies, some Dems, conservative Dems, and moderate Republicans are saying she would have been the better choice.
So let me get this straight. Hillary, during the primaries, was the b*tch from hell that controlled Bill. Now he controlled her decision to be VP?
Swampland Florida stat!
“When Obama gets scared by Hillary’s popularity we always see some negative story about the Clintons. Geez, Obie, get a clue.”
BINGO! Happens like clockwork. I was just thinking that this morning.
I swear Obie and his frat boys are truly rank amateurs. This obscene joke (the Obama presidency)that’s been foisted on the American people was only made possible by a criminally accomplice media and our dumbed down American Idol youth.
If you had read the story instead of just the headline, you would have found that Hillary was on the short list for VP, but Obama thought that Bill had too much input and he didn’t want the two of them as VP. Or so his campaign manager said. So Bill didn’t “nix” Hillary’s chance at VP, Obama used him as an excuse to bump her off the list.
Amen, tek. their behavior is as predictable as clockwork. If I didn’t know any better, I’d think half the news execs run to the WH briefing room in the morning to have Gibbsy give them their talking points.
I think the article you are referring to is about the fact that BO did not pick Hillary as VP, after “careful consideration” because he was worried about complications due to Bill. It was an article in Time based on David Plouffe’s new infomercial about the campaign last year.
fif, that was my interpretation as well. Regardless of whether it was Bill, Michelle, or some other nixing the VP for Hillary, I am very thankful for it.
If Biden is reflective of the 0bama VP job description, can you imagine Hillary having to be the 0bama cheerleader like Biden? I couldn’t take that! It’s hard enough to take what I know Hillary must say.
google this:
Hillary Clinton to run for Governor of New York
Numerous reports by people who say their “sources” tell them she will resign and run in 2010.
http://hillbuzz.org/2009/09/09/is-hillary-clinton-running-for-governor-of-new-york/
I’ve said this before: If Hillary wants to run against Obama, she needs to start building her support NOW.
She should retire as SOS and start campaigning.
I can’t believe she’s putting up with being belittled in this way.
There are plenty of Dems out there who are turning on Obama. She needs to shore up her supporters and give him a fight. That’s my opinion, and I’m not even a Democrat.
Hasn’t she been her digs in lately? She said something lately about her not needing to be on TV everyday.
Sorry for the double post/correction
Hasn’t she been getting her digs in lately? She said something lately about her not needing to be on TV everyday.
There is no way that Hillary has become a patsy for 0bama. To begin with, the rumors of Hillary taking a backseat to others in her job as SoS started with the appointments of Hal Holbrook and Sam Nunn. If you simply google Holbrook and Nunn, both envoys to the most troubled areas of the world, you can see that BOTH were hired by Hillary. Hal Holbrook was the first appointment Hillary made - she hired him the day after the inauguration. Holbrook’s job description is as follows: “Reports to the President through Secretary of State Clinton”. Nunn is no different.
Madeleine Albright confirmed that Hillary is the chief diplomat for our country and vehemently disagrees with those promoting the idea that Hillary has been sidelined. Madeleine said she talks with Hillary very often.
Even Kerry, according to the Politico article, tried to “convey that Hillary facilitated the shuttle diplomacy” which I interpret as Hillary’s idea. As Hillary said, just because she is not on TV front and center like 0bama and Pelosi day in and day out does not mean she is not involved.
If anything, I think Hillary is trying to prove to those who abandoned her in favor of THE ONE that she does not have to be the center of attention while she steadily makes progress doing her job. I believe she also understands the proven fact that over exposure can be counter productive, something that apparently has not reached the brain cells of 0bama and Pelosi.
When all is said and done, Hillary MUST do a good job, especially if she has any potential plans. Even if she doesn’t have future plans in mind and this is her last hurrah, she wants to prove she would have made a great POTUS - not be listed as “also ran”.
I apologize for not giving credit to RealClearPolitics for the Kerry comments about Hillary facilitating the shuttle diplomacy. I mistakenly said it was politico.
Should Hillary decide to run in 2012, it would be a dream come true to see her upend Obama. I think she could do it. It would be nasty, but so worth it. The idea that even now she is being belittled and taken for granted by Obama and his frat house is so disturbing. If he hasn’t learned by now, he never will. Don’t mess with PUMAS.
Sorry, she’s sold her soul to the Devil. Game over for Hillary.
At the start when BO changed reporting order–Susan Rice to report directly to him–it sounded like Hillary’s position was being diluted. since then there have been special envoys appointed by BO to specific regions. I believe she’s being marginalized.
Now we know that Obama doesn’t think ahead, but you can bet that Hillary and Bill are fully aware of everything said and done, and discuss it daily. They are biding their time, and when the time is right, she will pull out of the SoS job. But she has to hold the job for at least a year or two, and accomplish a few special things - and then she can pull out with her head held high - and then we will see what will happen. Perhaps Hillary as the Mayor of NY, or president in 2016, if there is anything left by then. And she WON’T be too old!
I suspect Susan Rice was the scared one at the prospect of reporting to Hillary. After all, Susan Rice is who-she-is because she worked for both Clintons. I loathed Susan Rice during the campaign! If I could have gotten near her, I would have needed someone to hold me back.
She did such a bangup job for B0 he had to appoint her to something half-way impressive. Suzy was probably expecting SoS since she was Condolesa’s wicked cousin or something and supposedly an expert in foreign affairs just like CR.
BTW, Hillary and Susan were sitting together and being rather chatty during the infamous UN meeting last month. I’m telling you, there is a reason for everything Hillary does. Stay tuned!
Have been reading here for over a year, but never seem to get that first comment posted. Finally found a topic too ripe to pass up.
“At the start when BO changed reporting order–Susan Rice to report directly to him–it sounded like Hillary’s position was being diluted.”
Bingo. Once that (Susan Rice? Would it have been possible to pick someone more offensive?) happened, I instantly deduced that BO just appointed Hillary and the rest of the “official” slot-holders as figureheads so’s he could pretend to be somewhat mainstream while slipping in his all-nutbar crew of fringe extremists/adcademic whackjobs into the actual positions of power behind-the-scenes. Looks like wrong, I wasn’t.
At that time, I also bet a female friend (BIG-time Hillary supporter) $100 that before the next election Hillary’d dump the S.O.S. position and get set up to take a run at BO, whose approval rating would be so far in the crapper he’d basically be Dead Meat Walkin’.
She proclaimed me nuts and snatched the bet on the spot. I’ve generously offered to let her double or triple it several times since then. Oddly enough, she ain’t takin.
john kerry is a player in the big picture of how obummer stole the potus. why wouldn’t he have the power to usurp hillary’s job description. and anything else he chooses as well.
hillary needs to step away from the whole glass ceilinged farce at play in DC.
it’s a lose-lose situation with lots of small crumbs, and the “token” nancy pelosi is a guy in drag.
women have no place of real power in this system. i’m a second wave feminist/lesbian, and i have been observing much for some time now. we are on the precipice of the third wave.
clinton/palin in 2012 on the indy ticket.
go for the whole magilla.
it’s the only way.
omg i just posted that
It sounds fabulous - but it won’t happen.
Nancy Pelosi IS the most powerful person in DC. She prefers ‘person’ to ‘woman’ since she does not believe there is such a thing as sexism. The daughter of a long-time Baltimore mayor, she knows the tricks of the trade and her motto is ‘the strong survive’ - male or female, matters not. She is a member of the good ol’boys club and is no mentor to women. I’ve observed she mentors and appoints AA men.
She appointed Rahm Emanuel around 2004 to recruit dems to run against powerful (and otherwise) repubs in their masterplan to be the majority party. She hired the company that raised the millions to get those recruits elected (the same company that raised the millions for B0 several years later).
In return, Emanuel, who is the real socialist in that administration, helped get Pelosi elected as Speaker of the House. They were partners in the recruitment and election of 0bama as well. 0bama is highly beholden to both. But the day will come when they all will go under the bus when he feels he is strong enough to ‘go it alone’. His goal is universal president or some such. It is NOT to stay beholden to anyone.
Nancy Pelosi IS the most powerful person in DC
For now. Did you know citizens have filed charges of election fraud against NP in those states where SHE submitted the Certification of Nomination for BO to election officials and the state law requires candidates whose names appear on the ballot must be eligible for the job? http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/bob-bauer-rumored-to-be-next-white-house-counsel-to-federal-court-f-you/ (These complaints take no stand on WHETHER BO is a NBC but only charge that NP could not ascertained whether he is, before swearing he is.)
Read, for example, the complaint for the state of Virginia.
jbjd, I realize Pelosi did everything humanly possible to defeat Hillary for the nomination, including ignoring the naturalization eligibility law. She is dispicable!
I appreciate you keeping us informed about the suits, etc. Did you see this link posted by Mia on 10/17/09 from the post “Say it ain’t So, Hillary, Say it ain’t So” about a 2004 Kenyan news article about the “Kenyan-born 0bama”? I’m assuming it is for real.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
Awwwe, what’s wrong? Barry not liking her numbers climbing and his dropping? Is he screaming on the phone, “what’s going on, we didn’t even release the story to our press about her latest win, diplomacy from a BMW in Europe?”
Maybe this was scary Kerry’s attempt for a surge in Halloween costumes, or maybe, sick as it sounds, Obama gave him a test. After all, we heard Obama promised SOS to anyone who endorsed him, including sKerry. Maybe this means they are reaching a deal for Paterson to not run for reelection, Hillary to run for NY Gov, and the deadbeat sKerry to step in as SOS, completing the Frath House.
…stay tuned for Obamanation Churns.
…but then again, Kerry usally takes it on the chin for the team and Obama will try to slide in greasy Billie Boy Richardson instead. Nope, he isn’t that dumb. Never mind.
we sure would be glad to get Big Bill out of New Mexico!
I second that.
Wishful dreaming. They have Hillary boxed in and have dis’t her repeatedly. For the life of me I can’t believe Bill continues to have to say nice things about BOT cause Hillary is still SOS. She needs to bail out soon. She is playing the good team player and even attacked Bush in PAK. Classless. Not her style. Big disappointment.
There will be other Women—-not going to be Palin but I guess we will see in ‘12. The odds are BOT wins again. Total bummer.
She is not out of the picture if people begin to realize, she very well could have won the vote of the pledged delegates at the Convention if NP had not prevented delegates from vote binding states, like CA, from voting. I strongly suspect this was the reason the floor roll call vote was eliminated and then, only partially reinstated. That is, the pledged delegates from vote binding states HAD to vote for HRC on at least the first round; and there were hundreds of them. How could NP maintain the meme, HRC certainly would lose the nomination, if she received so many votes from these pledged delegates? I have been trying to get the word out on these vote binding states since the summer of 2008. Maybe if we all ‘talked this up’…
(I discussed this on the radio last week; part II is on Wednesday. http://www.blogtalkradio.com/drkate)
Not a chance. He will never be reelected. It’s quite possible that we won’t see a Dem in the WH for a very, very long time.
Missed Khan’s statement;
Sorry, she’s sold her soul to the Devil. Game over for Hillary.
I could not agree more.
Thanks. But I guess I shouldn’t said that she’s sold her soul to the Antichrist. Satan’s a bit higher up the ladder (”beyond his pay grade”).
Hillary hasn’t sold her soul. Do you think she is as dumb as Obama? She is doing her job, and very well, and biding her time under the radar - everything going well for her and the country and world respecting her. Her time will come.
I agree. Hillary has sold her soul to *no one* least of all weakling barack 0bama! She has his number if anybody in the universe does. How long do you think she would last if she was trying to upstage him and usurp his power? 5 minutes - maybe.
HRC understands the presidency. Unlike B0 she has observed it up close and personal with the benefit of the passage of time. She and Bill know who all the players are, and who they were before they were who-they-are now. No one can compete with their savviness when it comes to this deadly contact sport.
I can’t wait to find out how all the pieces of this puzzle fit together.
wow, when did that extra l appear in my name????
…just realized…now fixed.
If BO enlists HRC to be his running mate in 2012 — especially if he is poll numbers are low — will PUMAs vote for that ticket? I, for one, cannot see myself voting for BO under any circumstances.
[i.e. "especially if his ...."]
i love my country too much to ever vote for that sad sack.
Paraphrasing what someone said in another post on another subject: I’ll crawl naked through a bed of broken glass to vote against Obama. I don’t care who his running mate is.
HRC will NOT be his running mate. Regardless of these “insider” accounts she could have been his VP in 2008 if she had wanted to …but she did’nt. Hill has her own plan.
Quite frankly, I don’t see 0bummer running in 2012. If he has’nt been impeached by then I think he’ll pull an LBJ and not seek re-election. Does anyone honestly believe his poll numbers are going to be any better by 2011????
You seriously think Bo won’t run? There’s no way that won’t happpen.
He didn’t exactly win last time by being voted in.
All this talk of impeachment, but I’ve never heard anyone say what the grounds would be. Make no mistake, there could be no better news than to think he was disgraced and he’s gone. But on what actions could he possibly be impeached? With the current Speaker and Democratic majority, It. Won’t. Happen.
Agreed, but isn’t that a strong argument for voting the Dems out of the majority in 2010? With what I hope will be a veto proof majority then, hopefully most of the obscenities enacted by the Dems and Obama will be overturned and his Previousness won’t be able to do a thing about it. Lame duck, I’d call him.
If Obama keeps going at the rate he has so far, it’s only a matter of time before enough truths come out about him and his suspicous background to make him quite eligible for impeachment.
It’s going to be both a sad commentary on the low standards of the electorate which put him into the Presidency in the first place, and a glorious commentary on the primacy of the will of the people, once eyes are opened.
This PUMA won’t vote for anything with That One in it, on it, or anywhere near it. As a matter of fact, even IF the Democrats were to have a sudden epiphany, understanding just how badly they screwed up in ‘08, I would never go back–I am an ex-democrat–period. Should HRC run in 2012, which I rather doubt, I will vote for her alone otherwise it’s an independent or a Republican, should they decide to get off the let’s-be-to-the-right-of-Franco nonsense that caused me to leave that party in 1977.
Ditto, Ferd. They make me sick. I feel bad about the BS I swallowed from them for all those PC years. So, I guess I should be thankful for having the veil ripped away on 5/31/08.
Nope.
Surely to God, she would not do something that stupid! If he is doing that poorly in 2012 that he has to ’stoop’ (in his mind!) to that, he won’t have a chance in hell, Hillary or no Hillary.
Second that. Never. Ever.
don’t count hillary out. she may do that but i won’t. am i disappionted in her, yes. do i see anyone else on the horizon to help my country not really. i wish sarah well. she is a tough little fighter isn’t she? i like that about her.
biden always wanted to be sos. i am sure he likes playing the part in this pathetic drama called the obama administration.
I think I finally get it! Hillary is a real, live, serious,accomplished person who happens to be on a world stage.
Obama, on the other hand, sees himself first as the only person on a world stage and all things eminate from that point of view. While I am glad that he did attend the Dover ceremonies bringing back our dead from the war, I could wish that it had been done without fanfare and cameras, and frankly, though it may seem little of me, given that he at least was present, I was off put by his saluting the fallen in the same slow, measured way as the military honor guard. This seemed pure show business to me. Perhaps I am too critical of this man whom I do not like.
Hillary, however, wouldn’t have needed fanfare and public recognition. She would probably have disdained it. She would have quietly appeared and whether she saluted or not, it would have been from her heart and would not have been done for effect.
I can only hope that the pathos of the Dover event struck some deep down, hidden core to wake him from his dreams of himself.
Just as she had visited out troops before and after the election. Remember 0’s farce of an election photo op when he played basketball rather than visiting with the troops.
just as she fought for the health care for firefighters of NY.
just as she speaks out for women all over the world.
just as she will ALWAYS be the real deal and years from now will be remembered as such.
Women will use her as an example to their daughters
She does not need backtrack, but backtrack needs her. She is the only one in todays government who even looks like she knows what she is doing.
Kerry, Richardson, Biden all losers. Backtrack had to cheat and have the dnr give her votes to him.
This is a woman that has devoted her whole life to helping and trying to make things better for all.
backtrack has spent his whole like taking and giving nothing back and voting present.
She will survive and come out better for it.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
as a Puma .this also my opinion, I hope those dismissing Hillary’s value to our country until its the the right time to get out, would not be so quick to judge her. seems like those of little faith. Would we really like someone in her position like Kerry or Richardson?? just imagine!
God Bless YOU AMy - you are in my MIND!!!
My “best served cold” dish or circumstance for the FOOLS would be a
Hillary Presidency with a Sarah VP 8 yrs followed by a
Sarah Presidency with a Chelsea VP 8 yrs
then World Peace is established (hehe)
oh and TRIG would be UN Ambassador by then
now that is what I’m
talking about
When Hillary accepted the position as Secretary of State she proved herself to be a craven politician. She would have been far better off remaining as Senator, and remaining autonomous.
Far worse, though, she had a chance to stand up for herself and against some blatant corrupt political tactics. She could have called out the machine. Yes it would have cost her any future dreams of running, but it would have served a far nobler purpose, maybe saving the nation. Instead she bit her tongue and allowed herself to be put down and marginalized. What? Out of fear? She and her husband just came from the most powerful positions in the WORLD. What force is powerful enough to silence her? Is it money? Or promises of future power? Better to have become a pauper than to have done what she has done.
As Senator she could have taken a principled stand against voting on bills that have not been written, much less read, she could have stood up for fiscal sanity, for fully supporting the troops in Afghanistan, not leaving them to die… but, somehow, I doubt she would have, seeing how she has acted, she would have been right there beside Pelosi proclaiming that this bill has to be passed right now, and defending a democratic President’s dithering merely because of the party he belongs to.
I know you guys like her. And I would sure take her in a nanosecond over Obama, but she is not worthy, by her own actions to be considered anything except ‘would be better than this disaster we have.’
she still could
but then they would say she was copying Sarah who walked away from it
it seems to have made Sarah much stronger! Hillary you can STILL DO IT! If you want.
oh and I’ll add
KOBI ASHI MARU Girl Friend!! do it!
Or perhaps she found a way to continue her life’s work, even though it meant she had to continue to work with That One. Frankly, I don’t know how she didn’t just walk away from the whole thing, given how many people turned on her during the election. So I guess she could have gone back to the Senate and worked with the neanderthals that promoted 0, but I respect her for finding a way to work effectively for women’s and children’s rights.
I think it means that she has incredible strength, and puts the good of the country (our welfare) above her own self-interest.
That is about as far away from a craven politician as you can get. The people who always pop up here to diss Hillary for becoming SOS - I don’t believe they were ever real Hillary supporters. Hillary has always about public service, and her hands would have been tied and tainted by remaining in the Senate.
I believe that real Hillary supporters understand that, and the rest are a different form of concern troll, reacting to Hillary’s higher approval ratings. Just as they generated the racism charges against Hillary to take her down, this is surely the same, saying that she’s this or that “bad thing” for having anything to do with the adminstration.
They’re scared. Hillary is (predictably) outperforming him, and the public is noticing. These posters are trying whatever they can to bring her down. At the moment they can’t get away with the race card this time, so they’re settling for saying she’s a craven politician or some such thing. All the same - to bring her down.
Won’t work.
Excellent comment, Lorac!
I’m not so sure she would have been better off as a Senator. I think she would have been even more marginalized there, every vote seen as praise of Obama, or sour grapes (depending on which way she went). The way the other senators ganged up against her, voting against their constituents in most circumstances, I seriously doubt they would have allowed her to have any power whatsoever.
If she was to do anything other than SOS right now, personally, I think the NYS governor position would be the best choice for her. She would have MUCH more freedom in that position than any other.
Until she decided to run for president again.
I agree, Amy [actually both Amy's in this instance]. I think there will be a tipping point for Hillary. And I won’t be disappointed if she makes a graceful exit, runs for Governor [might be a very good move] and put distance between herself and a toxic Administration. I don’t think she had any future in the Senate. With her experience and intellect, SoS is a good fit. But it’s becoming increasingly evident that the good ole boys are marginalizing her, pushing her to the back of the line. Leave it to Gibbs to make things worse by his recent gaffe [he's working his way up to Biden caliber].
I supported her efforts at State. She has a contribution to make. But not with this sullied group.
And I’m sorry, no one will ever convince me this woman is not worthy of a mere “better than” worse mark. She has worked tirelessly, spent an entire career to better the lives of women and children in this country and throughout the world.
She’s better than most and has my continued support in whatever she decides.
I can not think of another women who has the experience she has in her life.
wife - mother of a great daughter
lawyer
first lady of a state
first lady of a country
senator
Secretary of State.
When and if she decides to run again I do not think the same things will happen. Most of the country had a an awakening of just what we lost and why. Many more are waking up every day. She does what she has to do and if she turned on backtrack the country would lose more respect than what we are losing because of his non actions. Right now it is on him for not listening to her, not her for turning of this country’s president.
This lady has experience on domestic issues and foreign issues and is know for her hard work and intelligence and commitment to the country.
Is there another candidate male or female with those qualifications? I can not think of any.
WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Right on HelenK!!!
Yes, well said, Ani!
When are we going to figure this out, once and for all. BHO appointed HRC to the SOS slot to remove her from the political landscape (as a potential threat). And she allowed him to do it.
Were she in the Senate today, there would be a HillRun2012 Committee, whether or not she approved of it’s formation.
Why do we keep wanting her to be something she is not? She screwed up Iowa. She failed to go to the mat at the DNC meeting and/or the convention. It started with Monica and continues today. She swallowed every word she spoke with such fervor on the campaign trail and went to work in the “office” (administration) of the patently unqualified joke that’s now masquerading as POTUS [side joke, what's BHO going to dress up as for Halloween -- President of the United States -- he's already got the costume].
She’s NEVER going to resign her job to run against the guy. She just doesn’t do those sorts of bold, unconventional things (that’s a Palin move, not a Hillary move — you can take that as a good thing if you want or the opposite — just making the point).
IF she runs, ever, it would be after Barry’s sent back to Chicago where Daly can appoint him Sanitation Commissioner (if there is such a thing, a place where he can do what he’s good at, shoveling s**t).
Hey, I supported Hillary. I sent her a contribution within an hour of her announcement of her candidacy. But, I’m not pining for her to come back and save the Republic. And, if she does, is most certainly won’t be in 2012.
roflol @ shoveling sh*T
hahhahahhaha!
I understand and it’s a legitimate point of view
Please tell me who is smarter, more knowledgeable, works harder, has more empathy and is more competent than Hillary. Name one. Please. Either party.
((( Crickets)))
If BO doesn’t run in 2012, he’ll try to become head of the UN. By that time this country will be in total meltdown, so I imagine being King of the New World Order would be in his sights.
Bookmarking this post for future reference. I think trixta’s crystal ball is working well today.
I agree with you. HIllary has abused woman syndrome. The more a man dumps on her, the more she will do for him. She put her party before her country; Go Sarah!
Yes, but the longer she goes on propping up BO(zo), the less credibility she retains. She should pick a moment - and soon - and retire to ’spend more time with her family’.
I still think she missed a magic moment by not walking out of the Democratic Convention and taking her delegates with her.
I have made mistakes in my life but that one dwarf in comparison to mine. [Bite my tongue]
She’s got to finish at least a year for goodness sake. She will quickly become, in the voices of the media, another Palin. A quitter, can’t finish her assignent, can’t take the heat. Then, it will be a female thing. Women are quitters so don’t ever vote for one who runs for President.
Nope, there has to come a very natural break from BO or they will devour her again.
I think you’re right. And the way this administration is flits from one thing to another, it’s only a matter of time before she gets that “break”, as it were. I changed my mind after thinking her being SoS was a good thing. She needs to disembark this wreck of a ship of state.
Nothing makes sense anymore. Dogs are paid thousands and health care benefits for not barking and cats paid in the ten thousands for scratching their furs with good retirement benefits. But the U.S. teenagers are dumped by the Pentagon, rendering them ‘worthless garbage.’
Ask yourself why is that the DOD is hiring thousands of civilians to man military support jobs? Why? To reduce the rate of unemployment? Or is it that the U.S. schools cannot produce good enough teenagers that the armed forces can aptly train with skills and character.
We send Israel billions yearly that they use to hire each and every youngster that graduates into their army for 3 years, 2 for ladies. But we can’t recruit our youth into the armed forces to be trained.
And what about paying the Taliban for switching sides. Can religious zealots switch sides? For 20 million I’m pretty sure one Taliban fighter would become Christian and for forty million would become Hindu. 2 dollars for the Taliban fighter and the other 19 million for the corrupt contractor.
Hurray. 1 million for a double cheeseburger and 3 million for a gallon of gas. My money I want it in Walmart credits. Maybe you want your money in Euros.
Well, they are surrounded. I’m not sure Israeli youth have to be persuaded to do their national service. If you and your family’s life depends on it, you want to be trained and prepared to defend them. I don’t think our youth see that situation as relevant for themselves. It will probably change should there ever be a next big assault on our land…I pray that never happens.
This country has been ruled by the “good ole boys” for a couple hundred years and it ain’t about to change without a fight. The feminine gender, the few that have been installed in the 0 administration, has been marginalized or ignored. Can’t trust these female hormones, ya know. The dem party had a chance to change this once and for all, but they blew it. You all know what happened to Hillary. It’s all about power, ego, and steering $$ into friendly MALE pockets, who just happen to control the major US corporations - and run Wall St. and the big banks. (Not many women there, either.)
This is something that needs to change, but I doubt that it will happen soon. Unfortunately.
Great Article Amy!
You are right….”Revenge is a dish best served cold!”
I say it on every post about Hillary: I like what Hillary does however she does it. It’s sort of like the Candide saying about tending your own garden. Hers just happens to be on the world stage at this point. Her “garden” is always well managed and cultivated well.
Even if she leaves politics entirely, she’ll do something that benefits mankind, and by that I mean women and children.
That Michelle Goldberg article link made me a little sick:
I don’t care if she’s giving Hillary credit for her awesomeness, this statement shows Goldberg is still an idiot.
That has to be one of the most m o r o n i c statements made this year, and there have certainly been real doozies. I suppose she defines better and defter in terms of how much hot gas he can expel in a single day, because That One’s carbon emissions probably rival that of a mid-sized coal-fired power plant.
oh goodie, she needs a hammer over the head to see reality I guess.
…only 48 percent think Obama has kept his promises and would vote for him again. Of couse, it should be much lower, but considering that little tidbit of someone who’s supposed to pay attention, we can understand why it’s still at 48 pct. and not 35.
What a surprise, report, surge in violence on tv…and it’s on WOMEN..
violence on women in the last 5 year up 120pct.
Hillary helped this guy to get elected so she could become SOS. So as I am concerned she sold out the country. Everything that is happening to her she deserves and then some. After all Mr Zero is destroying our country in front of our eyes. One day soon the Treasury will not have buyers for US Gov debt. At that point the real money printing will begin and the world will end as we know it. My only hope is that people wake up in time stop it from happening.
Regardless of how she may or may not be marginalized, remember this. Hillary is the only Democrat who has no part of Stimulus,Omnibus Spending TARP, The Auto Bailouts and the Current Health Care Debate.
Her name isn’t on any of it. Because of her position, she hasn’t weighed in on any of it. From a political standpoint, being SOS is the biggest favor Obama could have granted her.
She has no hand in our domestic mess and since everyone knows she is being pushed aside in foreign policy, that is Obama’s mess as well.
Since most governors are having their own problems with massive state deficits, she will have the highest favorable ratings of any Dem in 2012.
Obama still probably gets the nomination and another term, but if anything drastic changes that, it is all her ballgame.
yes, secretary of state is a great way to be out of the obamacare solution. i wonder if hillary even put him up to healthcare reform, saying if he does it he will triumph. as then she watched as he took them on knowing all along what was to come.
Would this site support Palin in 2012? Just curious.
She certainly wont put us trillions more into debt, leave our troops hanging (her son is one), apologize for america, bow to saudis, or treat woman like crap.
A big FAT NO… I don’t think she has what it takes and she definitely has a lot of baggage in her short time in politics! Hillary is the only woman I would support because she is MORE then qualified to handle the job!
Democrats don’t get elected without a huge percentage of the black vote. If she disses the phony in the White House, she’ll lose whether its 2012 or 2016. If O chooses not to run in 2012 (highly unlikely) don’t expect a huge vote in the black community. If she had gone to the mat and somehow won the nomination last year, Sharpton and his cronies (with Obama’s silent blessing) would have sabotaged her. I’m afraid through a fluke of history and an American-idol generation we lost a chance for a breakthrough presidency by someone who actually deserved it. If her campaign had been better managed, had she not played it safe at the outset, had the “voice” she found at the end of the campaign been there from the beginning, she may have saved us from O. Only at the end when there was nothing to lose did she risk it all. She was on fire and was something to behold. At some point it is my hope that she risk it all again, if not to win the presidency, but save the country from four more years of O. It would be the most patriotic move by any politician in memory.
Helping women and children? Where?
She’s wearing headscarfs in Muslim countries. Why? She should not bow to any customs in that regard.
Women’s rights have been set back years if not centuries with this team. And it may get worse, with the machinations to shut up all dissent - from flag@whitehouse.gov to trying to bar FOX from interviews (while ushering The Huffington Post in to the White House Press Corps) - trying to demonize regular citizens who speak out, and complete capitulation to the activist orgs, the White House has effectively been handed over to the most extreme elements of American Society, the ones who have no respect for our founding principles. Women’s rights may become insignificant as HUMAN RIGHTS fall by the wayside.
Could she have stopped him as senator? Could she have taken a stand against voting on bills not yet written or read?
EVEN NOW - CAN SHE TAKE A STAND AGAINST GANGSTER GOVERNMENT CZARS? Activist extremists appointed to positions of high power outside of Government oversight? She could have as Senator. To do it now she would have to do it as a citizen.
She won’t.
I believe Hillary is indeed out out in 2012. I would love to see her run for president, but the Democratic whores who voted for Obama would absolutely destroy Hillary. No doubt Hillary would get a lot of votes, but Hillary running against Obama in 2012 would be suicide for both the Democrats and Hillary.
As far as women and children.what hole have you been hiding in?? she has done more than you seem to know about! You must be one of those Hillary haters huh? it is her fault for anything that’s a problem right?
Oh, there are still plenty of Hillary haters out there, Rosa. On the Left and the Right. But one of HRC’s most admirable qualities is that she keeps on keeping on, filters the venom out and does the job at hand. Which right now is Secretary of State. I agree with Nocturnal Warrior, Hillary’s handprint is not on any of these disastrous economic policies and by marginalizing her in foreign policy decisions her responsibility for the outcome is minimalized as well.
Despite what Rose and her ilk would like everyone to believe, Hillary has managed to stay above the fray. Her popularity and even the grudgingly expressed respect of a number of Republicans are evidence of that.
If hate were a Hillary killer, she would have been done long ago.
HIllary is a realist. She knows how the game is played, has become “impervious to insults” re: the deep seated, relentless misogyny hurled at her for decades, and can see the big picure like few others, including Bill. She can understand complex issues and explain them to We the People without condescending to us or calling us names. She is a dyed in the wool FDR Democrat and “Core Democratic Principles” are encoded in her DNA. She will serve the greater good while keeping a close eye on the morons, thieves, bullies and liars in her party, and if SOS is the platform to do that, so be it. Her stature as a stateswoman will grow even more. She stands on a foundation of solid values, compassion for all and clear eyed reality. History/Herstory will be very good to her.
Sarah Palin is as much of a values based pioneer as Hillary. Hillary helped light the way for Sarah. While Hillary swims with the sharks to serve the greater good, Sarah, a product of her generation as Hillary is of hers, decides to serve in a different way–she opts out of the misogynistic old boys club and charts a new path. That’s what scares men and woman still bludgeoned by the patriarchy–Sarah isn’t playing their game; she’s playing hers–and for millions of us, ours.
2008 woke up America like nothing else could. Kudos and much thanks to Hillary and Sarah for fighting the good fight they believe in. They are Americans.
If Hillary quits as SoS expect the same media bashing that Sarah Palin got when she stepped down as governor.
The meme will be if she can’t handle the frat boy network in the White House, how will she stand up to the thug leaders in this world?
I supported Hillary and donated to her campaign. For me, she was the closest this country has come to a Margaret Thatcher, an intelligent, strong female leader!
I deeply regret that Hillary took the role of SoS. She is linked to every success or failure of this administration now.
She will not resign, for it’s not her style, and other democrats are being enlisted for the governorship.
By 2016, she will be past the age of a break through candidacy, so regretfully, I think she is serving her last role.
Clinton, 2012!!!!!
What’s up with MSNBC’s footer under fire andrea mitchell’s interview of Hillary stating “Blunt massage to Pakistan” are they being subliminal in their misogyny now?
I would love for Hillary to run for prez in 2012. It would be the only thing that would get me anywhere close to the Democratic party. You don’t think the bigshots in the party would allow Hillary to be trashed twice in a row, do you? I mean, what was all that Bros before Hos all about, the business concerning, Give the White House to the Brother, we’ll hook up the Sister next time around. Well, this is the next time. Move out of the way Obama, you are yesterday’s news. It’s Hillary’s turn. I’m not usually one for entitlement talk, but in this case I’ll make an exception. The Democratic Party OWES a Hillay nomination for Democratic nominee for prez this time around, just like they set it up for Obama in 2008 while destroying Hillary.
Yep, this just might work out real nice now.
About the only positive impact Kerry would have over there is if they threatened to pipe in one of his speeches on a continuous loop into the Taliban controlled areas. They’d be throwing themselves off cliffs in no time.