From Local To Global: Mainers Vote Down Same Sex Marriage; Sec. Clinton Celebrates GLIFAA Award
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on November 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM in Civil Liberties, Current Affairs, Gay Rights, Human Rights, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, State Department
Election 2009 has come and gone with some major changes: VA and NJ have gone Red. Turns out, the races weren’t even all that close. Much is being discussed and debated about the meaning behind these wins by the GOP. I will leave that, and the NY 23 Owens win to the many other voices discussing these races.
There was another election issue on which I wanted to focus instead, and that was the vote in Maine to allow or prohibit Same Sex Marriage. The title of this article pretty much says it all: “Mainers Vote Down Gay Marriage Law“. Dammit.
Here are the particulars:
Maine voters on Tuesday narrowly voted to repeal a law that would have made the state one of a handful that allow same-sex couples to marry.At 1 a.m., with 87 percent of the state’s precincts reporting, 52.8 percent of Mainers had voted to repeal the state’s same-sex marriage law, versus 47.2 percent who voted to keep it.
Yes on 1, which led the people’s veto effort, proclaimed victory at about 12:30 a.m., as supporters gathered on a small stage at the Eastland Park Hotel behind Frank Schubert of Schubert Flint, the public relations firm hired to work on the campaign.
“I am very proud to tell you tonight that Question 1 has passed,” said Schubert. “Thank you so much to the people of Maine. To the thousands of volunteers who have worked day in and day out. It has all come together tonight.“The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across this nation,” he said, pumping his fist into the air.
Marc Mutty, Stand for Marriage Maine campaign manager, took the podium after Schubert: “What a team we’ve had. We’ve worked hard. We’ve struggled, we’ve worked against tremendous odds, as we’ve all known.
“It’s been the little guy against the big guy in terms of resources, financial resources,” said Mutty. “We prevailed because the people of Maine, the silent majority, the folks back home spoke with their vote tonight.”
A prayer followed.
I imagine that prayer went something like this: “Dear Lord, thank you so much for your will being done to subjugate those homosexuals, Lord. We thank you for helping us keep the sanctity of marriage as you meant it to be, one man and one woman, forever and ever. We thank you, dear Lord, for making it clear it is Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. So, we thank you, Lord, that your will has been done. We thank you, dear Heavenly Father, for the love you have shown us in your son, Jesus. We know that you are love, Lord. We thank you for showing what true love is through us so we can take away rights from other Mainers, as you want us to do. In Jesus’ name we pray…”
Or something like that.
But some Mainers aren’t giving up:
At 12:30 a.m., a defiant Jesse Connolly, campaign manager for No on 1/Protect Maine Equality, spoke to several hundred supporters who lingered at the Holiday Inn By the Bay. Connolly did not concede, saying the campaign always knew the election would be close. Workers would be counting votes all night long, he said.Connolly said supporters of same-sex marriage would keep fighting and keep working for their cause. “We’re not short-timers, we’re here for the long haul,” he said.
Pollsters and pundits had predicted a thin margin on the state’s same-sex marriage vote, and the results proved them right.
Gov. John Baldacci – who watched returns come in at the No on 1 party – signed the bill into law in May, but opponents of same-sex marriage quickly gathered well more than the 55,000 signatures necessary to call for a public vote.
Maine would have been the sixth state in the country to allow gay and lesbian couples to marry.
Massachusetts, Connecticut, Vermont and Iowa already allow gay marriage, and New Hampshire’s new law will take effect in January.
Five states out of fifty. That’s it. Just five that recognize our being fully human and thus deserving of all rights bestowed upon heterosexual couples.
As indicated above, in addition to religion, there were other issues that prompted the outcome of this vote:
The fight over the issue touched on religion, civil rights, schools, sexuality and family.The two campaigns spent more than $7 million, with same-sex marriage supporters outspending opponents. Both sides said the vote will have national implications that will influence future same-sex marriage battles in other states.
The crowd at the No on 1 party was several times larger and louder than the competition. In the lobby outside the ballroom, Roger and Peggy Marchand of Gorham set up cardboard cutouts of male and female couples and brought along their camera for those who wanted to get a snapshot.
“We have high hopes,” Roger Marchand said.
While gay-marriage supporters have had success in New England and Iowa in the last five years, most of the country still opposes same-sex marriage. Nationwide, 30 states – including California – have voted to ban it.
Oh, that just makes me feel so warm and fuzzy inside as I consider that the vast majority of my fellow citizens think so little of me, my partner, and millions of other GLBT people in this country.
As for how Maine got to this place:
The push to legalize same-sex marriage in Maine began in January, when hundreds of activists gathered at the State House to announce that Sen. Dennis Damon, D-Trenton, would sponsor a bill to change the definition of marriage.The bill defined marriage as “the legally recognized union of two people” rather than “the union of one man and one woman joined in traditional monogamous marriage,” a definition put in place by the Legislature in 1997.
It allowed any two people to apply for a marriage license “regardless of the sex of each person.” And, finally, it allowed religious institutions to refuse to perform same-sex marriage if it is not consistent with their beliefs.
When the bill was introduced, Baldacci, a Catholic Democrat, said he was unsure whether he would support it. He had previously been on record as supporting civil unions but not gay marriage.
In April, more than 3,000 people came to the Augusta Civic Center for a 10-hour public hearing on the measure. Supporters said the change was necessary to give gay and lesbian families access to more than 400 state laws pertaining to marriage, including health insurance through a spouse and tax benefits. They said a separate civil union law would not be equal.
Opponents said it was important to keep the traditional definition of marriage, arguing that it is better for society and children to have a mother and a father.
Six days later, the Legislature’s Judiciary Committee voted in support of the bill.
House and Senate votes quickly followed, with final Senate approval at 21-13 and House approval at 89-57.
The same day the Senate took the final vote, Baldacci signed the bill into law, saying “times have changed.”
As Baldacci announced his decision, cheers of joy could be heard coming from the hallway outside his office, where gay and lesbian couples gathered to await his decision.
But, as they celebrated, opponents expressed their disappointment and vowed to gather the signatures necessary for a people’s veto of the law.
Less than three months later, opponents turned in more than 100,000 signatures to the state calling for a vote.
The law was put on hold pending the outcome of Tuesday’s election.
At the No on 1 party Tuesday night, optimism had prevailed earlier in the night. The No on 1 campaign had led in early returns.
Eigen Heald of Portland said she’s been with her partner for 22 years.
“My toes are curling,” she said. “It would be really nice to be married in Maine.”
James White, 31, of Berwick, who was at the No on 1 party , said he was “very emotional.”
“It’s our time,” he said. “It’s our moment.”
Staff Writer Jenn Menendez contributed to this report. Reach Susan Cover at 620-7015 or at scover@centralmaine.com
Sadly, no, no it is not “our moment.” Not in Maine, anyway. It makes me emotional, too, both sad and angry at the same time. I guess the lesbian and gay couples there will have to continue to live without more than FOUR HUNDRED benefits extended to heterosexual couples.
I cannot leave it there, though. That would simply be too depressing. While Mainers may have voted to continue to discriminate against GLBT people, there is some good news. And here is Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to bring it to you:
This left my partner and me arguing over who loves her more. It’s me, I’m telling you!
Secretary Clinton gives me hope that one day, my partner and I will have the same rights and benefits as everyone else, over 1,000 federal benefits, even as another state votes against us, robbing a number of their citizens of over 400 rights enjoyed by others in that state. Some day. But not today.









































gosh- that makes me think about what could have been, if only the idiots in power hadn’t screwed the pooch in the primary. Hillary is so much more than poor little Barky will ever be. What a loss for this nation that she is not our President. I’ve resigned myself to the fact that I have no actual civil rights at the moment, but I do hope that one day we will have the leadership that we really need. “The saddest words that I’ve ever seen- It could have been, it could have have been.”
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Rev. Amy………. I don’t get it. I must admit I’m a conservative on most issues but this one doesn’t make sense to me. What is wrong with a couple, regardless of gender, making a lifelong commitment to each other? What’s wrong with a pledge to love, honor and cherish another human being? It was John that said: (John 13:35). How can you love God whom you can’t see, if you can’t love the people you live and work with all the time? How can you say you love people whom you haven’t seen, if you don’t love your brother or sister whom you see every day? What is wrong with making a covenant before God, witnessed by friends and family, to the fidelity, love and celebration of this union? When there are so many things to be terrified about in this world and this administration, can we all not take a deep breath and relax on this issue? Can’t we all agree to disagree and move on? In the end, can we all not agree in the sovereignty of the Lord and Father and acknowledge that it is he and only he that shall sort it out in the end?
I know, Georgia - it makes no sense to me, either. I’m just shaking my head at the hypocrisy of it all…
RRA, I only hope that you get yourself right with the Lord and give up your heathen ways that will lead you straight to hell. I was very disappointed to see our Hillary give validity to this ungodly lifestyle. I only hope that her soul can be saved (and yours too). I pray for our dear Hillary. I know she was encouraged to do this by the Kenyan usurper.
As always, Amy you nailed this one again. Thank you very much. And that Hillary clip just does it for me.
Always on the issues important to Americans,
Always advancing freedom and equality
Always smart and informed
And, always beautiful.
The WH is still submerged in Obama’s vomit. Long live Hillary!
Osellingbullshit, you will appreciate this, I am sure. In my local paper today, there was a quote from Evan Wolfson of “Freedom to Marry.” He was upset that Obama did nothing to encourage people to vote for same sex marriage in Maine.
How can these folks continue to ignore what Obama has said on this very point? He does NOT support same sex marriage! Why in the world would he change now, all of a sudden? I mean, really - if he wasn’t going to encourage it in CA or FL during the election that put him in the White House, why the hell would he spend any time on ME now??
Why are these people still buying what he’s selling???
notice that among many of the politicians who are against gay marriage are usually in the closet.
Ain’t that the truth, b matthews.
I remember being very pleased when I saw this tiny newspaper article announcing that Hillary had changed the policy at the State Dept that would protect the rights of GLBT employees who work for the State Dept insuring that their partners could make decisions regarding their health especially in emergency situations just as any spouse can do. I remember thinking ‘Now THAT is follow through!’ She could have just as easily done nothing and no one would have thought anything about it.
Then it was only a short time later that I heard an announcement that gave B0 the credit for expanding these rights. But, after all, that’s the 0bama way of doing things - others do the heavy lifting and he swoops in to take the credit and the bows.
RRRA, you and your partner will be fighting even more over who loves Hillary the most after you see this - Hillary talking with Ellen on this subject about half way through this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVHiQ6gGV6Q
mourn today for the loss of this battle.
tomorrow we will rise and renew the fight for equality
THE WAR IS NOT OVER,love will win it always does.
Hillbuzz has a great article and a plan of action.
equal rights for all
rofl Oh, they truly couldn’t have
Oh, that just makes me feel so warm and fuzzy inside as I consider that the vast majority of my fellow citizens think so little of me, my partner, and millions of other GLBT people in this country.
And for my gay friends who also don’t believe in marriage, I say, then don’t get married. But why deny others that want to make that commitment and share their lives?
I hope one day soon we can move forward with meaningful change here too. But with Obama and his own fears, dislikes and biases, don’t expect much action from him.
Oh and thank you Hillary.
…ps…will you be checking out of this Admin sometime soon?
One can only hope she will, IALT.
Oh, I don’t know that was their prayer EXACTLY - I made it up. Sorry if that wasn’t clear - I’ll fix that. But yeah - what the hell else could they possibly be praying for after curtailing their fellow citizens’ rights?? Sigh.
Oh no, I didn’t take it literal, I took it the way you meant it. I was just saying…if someone out there…, considering their record. that’s why I “rofl”.
We’re cool.
Whew. I am glad you could read my inflection - you just never know if people are going to get it from the written word, or if someone from up in Maine is going to sue me or something.
I should have known you knew (like Lana in another post). I am pleading complete and utter sleep deprivation from these late night baseball games! I should be better soon!
And thanks, Lana - the thing is, there are people who DO pray like that. Scary, isn’t it? I honestly cannot understand anyone who claims to be a Christian believing like that. It is a complete reversal of the message Jesus actually preached.
I hope it is true that attitudes are generational. Yet, it wasn’t all that long ago that Matthew Shepherd was beaten and left for dead. GLBT people are still being attacked and beaten now.
There is much work to be done, friends.
The made-up prayer was brilliant. How can someone pray for hate? There’s little enough love in the world. How can we pick who is allowed to show and share in that love?
That being said, my gay sister still strongly supports Obama. When I asked her a couple of months ago if she was disappointed that Obama has not followed through on his promise to the LGBT community, she said she was but she was willing to give him 18 months. Don’t know where that number came from. I guess the real issue is that there’s no where else for her to go. Those of us who support same-sex marriage can hardly vote Republican can we?
Of course, the answer was right there in front of us–Hillary. And the video just underscores in such a sad, could-have-been way who really would have brought about this change. Attitudes toward LGBT may be generational, but I fear that change is too many generations away.
I think the only reason ANY couple should get extra benefits is because they are rearing children. Otherwise, I don’t think the state should sanction or reward marriage in any way shape or form.
That said, I am not opposed to gay marriage but I don’t see it as a “recognition of gays being human” as indicated in the article. I think the purpose of state sanctioned marriage should be to support the raising of children in a stable environment. Yes, this should be biased towards straight people since they are the ones who are biologically geared towards procreation.
So I don’t see this as a simple issue of rights vs. no-rights.
Fair to me would be the state stop sanctioning marriages, period, and only provide extra benefits to those families raising children. That way the “bias” would be towards helping kids, not just assisting adults to couple with someone else for the purpose of extra “benefits.”
I’m single. I don’t get jack in the form of extra benefits. This is partly why the whole “we don’t get benefits” thing said by gay couples doesn’t make me feel sympathetic. I don’t get benefits either. Why shouldn’t I partner with a friend and get their social security when they die first (or vice versa)? Giving benefits to couples just because they are living together is not fair to us single people.
Just my 2 cents.
I think that’s an interesting perspective and a well-made point.
Of course, one might argue that marriage isn’t only about creating stability for children–which I agree is of paramount social importance–but also about creating social stability in general. It’s arguable that the commitment of marriage tends to do that, regardless of the genders involved. It’s socially beneficial in general when people willingly take on caring responsibility towards one another. Gay people in paired-off, long-term, committed relationships is probably a plus for society, when compared with its alternative.
“I think the only reason ANY couple should get extra benefits is because they are rearing children. Otherwise, I don’t think the state should sanction or reward marriage in any way shape or form.”
Interesting view, mine is the opposite: as an unmarried person and one without children, I think people with children use more of the services provided by my, their, and others’ tax dollars & should pay accordingly, regardless of their marital state.
I’d rather see an end to all marriage as I regard it chiefly as an outdated patriarchal custom of buying and selling women, but since this is never going to happen, I support gay marriage as an issue of equality.
I’m hoping this will prove to be a generational thing. I was in the Lion’s Den (the writer’s hangout below the Village Voice) when the Stonewall riots began.
I’ve seen a lot change in 40-some odd years and it seems we still have a ways left to go…
but to my daughter’s generation and to the one after her’s, this whole issue is moot: they don’t see the difference between straight and gay.
So maybe we’ll get lucky and watch this go away as the wheel goes round and round.
Amy, hanks for the beautiful clip of Hillary! She’s the tonic we need. Also, congrats on the Yankees (dammit!) The Phillies will be back in it next year.
My pleasure, awwribel! She is the tonic we need. As Brodie said up-thread, she reminds us of what could have, SHOULD have, been.
And thanks! I appreciate that. Your team played GREAT, though, and they have much abt which to be proud. It is very hard for a team to even make it back to the World Series the year after winning it, so that speaks volumes abt them. And abt their fans. The Phillies are fortunate to have such faithful fans.
I hope one day my children and my grandchildren will have settled these questions.
Being single, or not, is a choice. Being gay is not. It’s who you are.
I live in fear everyday that I don’t communicate to one of my children. That I will get that terrible phone call.
This is a personal issue for me and I hope my child will be able to marry their life partner if they choose to - or not. It’s a choice straight folks make everyday.
For the singles, don’t like it? Then campaign to get rid of tax privileges for those who are married or have children. Protest, petition, etc. if you feel that strongly about it.
But don’t blame gay people. The marriage laws were not written for them or their partners.
True indeed. Well said.
And Glenn, you nailed it!!
“Being single, or not, is a choice.”
Being single is NOT my choice. Not all of us are lucky enough to win the love lottery.
“But don’t blame gay people.”
Not blaming gay people. Just saying that the argument that gay couples deserve benefits doesn’t really work for me personally. I also think it might hurt the cause precisely because it brings up the issue of why the state sanctions marriage and provides benefits in the first place (for many, this is because of the children).
More compelling issues to me are basic things such as being able to see someone in the hospital or your foreign spouse being allowed to emigrate.
It also pains me to see some gays take these losses as signs that people hate them. A good friend of mine (who I met here on this website) voted against gay marriage in California. She doesn’t hate gays, she’s friends with gays. I know, I’ve hung out with her and some mutual gay friends.
The issue of why the state should provide benefits to a “family” to me is one that is not a black and white thing. I hope that people can understand that and not just presume a hateful, hostile attitude behind everyone who votes against gay marriage.
(BTW, I voted in favor of gay marriage in the last election here.)
Read the the laws. They were written specifically for heterosexual couples with or without children. Heck, some states still have old laws on the books that make same sex relationships illegal.
Why should anyone cares who marries whom?
I don’t.
That’s not special treatment. That’s allowing people to marry the person they choose.
I don’t assume (ass of u and me) that voting against people marrying people who happen to be of the same gender is hate.
I too, in a very red state, voted to allow gay marriage. Why? Because even if my child were not gay it’s none of my business.
I’ve lived in and visited countries all over the world.
I’ve lost count of the the states in the US I’ve either traveled to or lived in.
I’ve faced discrimination and have been called the “N” word. No, it didn’t all happen below the Mason/Dixon line.
Funny, I’m as straight as they come and still feel pain and outrage when gays are targeted. This was before one of my children came out to me.
But guess what? My love for my child is unconditional. I’m a Momma Bear and will fiercely defend my child laws or no laws.
Not to be rude but suck it up. I and my children have faced discrimination just because of who we were born as.
If you can’t find someone that’s life. But there are no laws against being single. Or if someday you should find someone, and I’m figuring you’re heterosexual, there are no laws preventing a marriage.
Thank god that since this law has been repealed in Maine, every child will, for now on, have a mommy and a daddy. Next, I think there should be a vote to eliminate divorce. If we’re gonna let the Catholics and bigots dictate our lives, lets go the whole hog.
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Fort Hood shooting, at least 7 dead 20 wounded
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream1
Nom,
I was just going to post same, right now the base is under lockdown; they do not know if this is an attack on the base or something else.
I am watching it on tv now, Nom. Thank you for mentioning this.
This is just horrible…I scarcely know what to say.
Thanks again, Nom, and Katmoon. I’m stepping out for a few minutes, but if you hear anything, please feel free to post it here.
UGH what a terrible incident. My heart goes out to all the families involved.
Mr. president it’s time to step up to the plate and make a decision on Afghanistan the military is under excruciating strain you need to do something NOW!
A general indicated earlier it was 2 soldiers armed with M16s, but now they are saying nothing can be confirmed
Yes, they do not know if this is an issue of soldiers gone rogue or something else.
up to 30 injured now, Per FBI no terrorism involved; thinking it is internal.
yes, BBC reported that an NBC spokesman said the assailant that had been caught was in his 20s and had been shot & injured: they must know by now whether or not these were soldiers or impersonators.
One imagines the lack of statement to this effect indicates they are soldiers? If they were terrorists or impersonators, that is something the msm would like to say?
Now 9 confirmed dead.
12; now saying one of the gunmen killed but not saying if it’s the one in custody.
2 in custody.
may it be over.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938
“The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. He was killed and two other suspects have been apprehended, Lt. Robert W. Cone said.”
12 dead, 31 injured. And yes, it was a soldier, an officer, if I heard correctly. The other two are soldiers as well.
Just unreal that we have to ask 1 million people for permission to marry.
Maybe we gays should get a petitions to overturn equal rights laws…..
Let us look to Solomon and cut this baby in half. Here it makes sense. We need to afford all citizens protection from fear. As a nation we need to stabalize our communities and stop the balkanization.
No more lables. Gay or straight we are Americans and we need to focus there.
I think it is time to recognize that marriage is a religious sacrament. If your religion, like mine, is orthodox the procreative and lineal tracking are paramount. Marrige is for the creation of children and the stability of the core unit of society–not for prsonal fulfillment and happily ever after nonsense.
We have a NEED to look at this a separation of Church and state issue.
All couples should register their legal business relationship with the government. I will pool my resources and share my assets with this person–I register my sexual exclusivity to this person as a term of this contract. Thus this partner has access to me in the event of hospitalization, this person shares in my work benefits (health insurance etc)
It is time to recognize inheiritance rights of this legal contract for leases and taxes. Keep the mush out if it! It is a LEGAL STATUS with the state.
HAVE A NICE DAY.
Marriage is a covenant with God and should be administered by clergy and it should carry NO WEIGHT in the legal system at all.
Go to the county clerk and register your business union and deal. Then if you need God’s sacrament go to your church and marry in God’s eyes. Ministers, and priests should have no status to permit or deny these business arrangements.
My church will never accept gay marriage–it flies in the face of the core values of the religion. I believe in those core values that is why I am a member. Don’t ask me to change for your comfort.
I fully accept your right to live in any way you want, even if I believe it imperils your soul. But don’t tell my children it is just the same–it is not from our theoretical frame of reference. I do not teach intolerance and hate–but I also do not teach relativism–I teach personal responsibility as a duty and that hate is always bad.
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