Murder, Mayhem at Fort Hood
By Larry Johnson on November 5, 2009 at 6:00 PM in Current Affairs
Wanted to comment on the news out of Fort Hood that a muslim U.S. Army officer, Major Malik Nadal Hassan, and perhaps two others, went on a shooting rampage today and killed 11 soldiers and one civilian police officer. This is not the first time a muslim in the U.S. military has turned his weapon on fellow soldiers. A word of caution, initial reports can be quite wrong and we should keep our powder dry.
However, if these initial reports are verified as true this will be bad for muslims in America.
The murder and wounding of more than forty soldiers is bad enough. If a cell of muslim extremists have infiltrated the U.S. Army then this is going to cause some major blow back throughout the military. Muslim officers and enlisted personnel will fall under suspicion. Most of this will be unfair and unwarranted. But human nature is what it is and the suspicion engendered by this kind of act will reverbrate for some time and probably hurt our ability to do a better job on winning hearts and minds overseas when there is such distrust in the ranks.
Stay tuned.
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This is TERRIBLE for the U.S. military and for our country. I’ve always prided us on how open our military and — heck — all opportunities are open to various groups.
It will be key for U.S. Muslim leaders to speak out very prominently against this rampage. Americans need to know that they condemn this apparently coordinated, premeditated act.
agreed.
Every once in a while one will show up on TV and tell us this isn’t proper Islam. But I never hear of them telling THEMSELVES, each other. I really think their leaders need to speak to the followers, strongly and frequently.
remember when a soldier named Akbar lobbed grenades in Kuwait early on during the Iraq war.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641084723
Yea, wasn’t he a Hasan too (and isn’t our president one as well, i.e., Baraq Hasan)?!
“It will be key for U.S. Muslim leaders to speak out very prominently against this rampage.”
You cannot emphasize that enough because, frankly, most of the problems with Muslims is that there has been a lack of outrage over the action of their own which does raise suspicion.
Oh, PUL-lease! They can ‘pretend’ to be offended or outraged, but would you REALLY believe them? ANYBODY can SAY anything they want to - that doesn’t necessarily mean they MEAN it! Sorry, but I am SICK of this country being so politically correct and ‘tolerant’ and give others - foreigners from other lands with different cultures/beliefs - MORE rights than our OWN citizens who have been here for at least two centuries, especially those of us who are CHRISTIAN!
This murderer’s parents were from Palestine (sp?) but he was born in the USA - but he STILL holds the beliefs of the Muslims; their religion trumps LOYALTY TO ANY COUNTRY!!!
As is VERY apparant in the president, and his dry, emotionless, comments AFTER of course he finishes his back slapping and “shout outs”.
He makes me sick! I think this morning in every open carry state Americans need to step out of their front doors locked and loaded. If the radical libs want to kill us with their PC bullshit, we will take care of ourselves.
Yes, I said it. These peoples blood is squarely on the hands of the PC brigade that has been browbeating this country for years. Now do you have what to wanted? Are we diverse and tolerant enough for you? Because believe me it is all about to change.
To all of you I offer the words of one of our founders, I think you should consider his advise.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
As is VERY apparant in the president, and his dry, emotionless, comments AFTER of course he finishes his back slapping and “shout outs”.
He makes me sick! I think this morning in every open carry state Americans need to step out of their front doors locked and loaded. If the radical libs want to kill us with their PC bullshit, we will take care of ourselves.
Yes, I said it. These peoples blood is squarely on the hands of the PC brigade that has been browbeating this country for years. Now do you have what to wanted? Are we diverse and tolerant enough for you? Because believe me it is all about to change.
To all of you I offer the words of one of our founders, I think you should consider his advice.
“If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
If you look at the UK and France where there is an exploding population of Muslims, they have had significant crime problems with the youth who are taught jihad even though the Muslim leaders deny it.
It is about time that we confront this problem head on and not as a dime-store stick up off a police blotter.
And I do think we need put the pressure on Muslim leaders who as you all have said has been giving this lip service.
We certainly are not going to get more than that from Obama.
wasn’t this country founded by foreigners who who didn’t want to be persectured for their religion.
i work with many, many people who are of the muslim faith and are 3rd or 4th generation US born. we can’t hate all muslims because of what a few do in the name of “religion”.
that comment implies that us non-christians have LESS rights than christians. that’s crap.
I’m not muslim and I have no problem with jesus… it’s his followers I can’t tolerate!
I don’t think condemnation by the Muslim leaders here is going to do a bit of good to fend off the festering hatred of Muslims. We’ve heard the words before and it’s gotten us nowhere.
As to winning the hearts and minds of Islam, that isn’t going to happen. We are centuries apart in culture and worlds apart in tolerance for other points of view. Frankly, I’m beginning to move to the same sort of rigidity of thinking practiced by Muslims. Am I happy about that? No, but I’m beginning to think it’s necessary in order to survive a Third World which wants us defeated.
American politicians play pattycake with our enemies while they plot our downfall and it’s time for a hard line. 2010 can’t come soon enough for me.
Obama needs to tread very lightly here because this idiotic attack may be the tipping point for sentiment to move against him significantly. He needs to watch who he has around him because his militant friends aren’t looking like a health choice for him right now.
Muslims need to be kept out of our military and out of our government.
Larry, would you also comment on the military’s statement that the shooter used two “handguns”? It’s hard to fathom how someone could shoot thirty-two people with two handguns.
I agree that “two handguns” do not make sense. Let’s assume he had two 9mm handguns. You can get up to 18 rounds in each. If he is firing both it is difficult to kill and wound more than 40 people. It is one thing to have one handgun and multiple magazines (you can shoot and reload pretty quick with that configuration) but it is difficult to reload two handguns at the same time.
More info will come out and the story will likely change.
I read in one story that he used M-16s.
Well, that sure wouldn’t be a handgun.
Larry, thanks for your thoughts. You are entirely correct…the story is bound to change.
Yep, can’t figure out how he shot that many people. It’s bad enough that we have to worry about them in theatre, but now on base? What are we doing in this country? And to this country?
My heart breaks for those who have lost loved ones and for those who were injured. It just breaks.
Yep. Thanks Larr.
This is indeed a horrible tragedy. It is shocking that something like this could happen by one of their own, and an officer at that. Tragic, just tragic. My prayers go out to the families and friends at Fort Hood…
Larry said:
“Muslim officers and enlisted personnel will fall under suspicion. Most of this will be unfair and unwarranted. But human nature is what it is . . .”
This will no doubt be the reaction. I agree with Bronwyn–this is the time for Muslim American leaders to come forward and absolutely repudiate this kind of senseless violence. It will go a long way to release the pressure cooker of criticism and public suspicion.
And was I the only one to be surprised to learn that the guards at the gate are civilians? Doesn’t sound as if it would have a made a difference in this case. I’m assuming these men were already on base. My husband served years ago, but the guards were always military.
Awful!
I was shocked when I visited my son when he first enlisted that we have civilian contractors manning the gates. I can also tell you that I never once had my car searched. In fact, all I had to do was get out of my car, go into a building, show my driver license and tell them why I was there, and voila, I got my visitors pass. Got in my car and drove away. Also you’d be surprised to know then that our army uniforms are made in Pakistan. I have a problem with that as well.
You can also buy any uniform, badge, or whatever you want at any army outfitter such as Ranger Joes. Can also purchase tapes and books on our training. It’s nuts.
That was my take about 7 years ago at Ft. Lewis. They replaced the MPs manning the gates with these silly-ass Pinkertons, or some reasonable facsimile thereof all dressed in black and parading around like bantam roosters. I had to stifle a guffaw. I STILL find it appalling that a military base (Lewis) should be paying more money to people who haven’t sworn an oath to defend the Constitution, especially a post that boasted having the 66th MP Company. It was part of corporate welfare.
When I was in the military, we did our own cooking, policing, and disciplining. Out of our entire battalion, we had one subcontractor from the USACOE and he was there only as an observer.
You can thank Bush for outsourcing the military garb.
You can thank Bush, Rumsfeld, etc., for outsourcing as much military work as they possibly could to their friends in the various companies surrounding the Pentagon. Since 9/11 they have managed to shovel many billions of dollars into these companies’ coffers. Obviously I have no idea whether that had anything to do with what happened today, but let us remember that our radically privatized military is a legacy of the last White House.
Radically privatized military? You’re nuts.
The only thing that is radical in this country is obots and Obama/his administration!
You really don’t know what you’re talking about unless you’ve served. You haven’t so don’t even try that.
If you guys are really trying to claim that a substantial portion of all Pentagon spending hasn’t gone over to private contractors since Bush was elected, I really don’t know what to say. It’s pretty common knowledge that a startling percentage of all military personnel working with (or for) the Coalition in Iraq were private militia. I mean, surely nobody here is denying this?
Here’s a start.
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=military+privatization&aq=7&oq=military+pri&aqi=g10
No Obot you do not get to hijack this thread away from the soldiers, this time; you asshole.
Thank you, Katmoon. I was just about to say the same thing. Can we NOT make this about a previous president? Can we take a moment to honor the dead and send compassionate thoughts to the families that just had their worlds turn upside down?
I concur with Katmoon. Obot–you haven’t served; you don’t know what you’re talking about; and your officious comments are inappropriate. Go away.
I was responding to the turn of the conversation toward the subject of military privatization, and it wasn’t me who did that. But I agree that the tragedy is the only relevant topic tonight.
Obot - If you agree that military privatization, as you put it is not relevant, why did you lamely attempt to put this tragedy on the Bush administration that way? Bizarre comes to mind
“…but let us remember that our radically privatized military is a legacy of the last White House.”
And this one. But I guess it’s different now that Obama is doing it.
Hey
shitheadPBOT, our fellow citizens lost their lives or injured and there is a huge hole in the hearts of many and you talk of blaming Bush? WTF? Please tell me WHO is the CINC on this sad day???Screw that. If you continue to blame Bush then you should ask BO to resign the office, since you have no inclination to hold the CURRENT POTUS accountable. Seriously, what planet are you from??
Well, that’s disturbing, armymom. As I said my husband was in years ago, but I remember the security really tight and military only.
And uniforms made in Pakistan??? Perfect.
Brave New World we’re living in. But you’re right: it’s nuts.
Yes, I was surprised to learn that. Did I hear correctly that they are police officers? The person who actually shot the shooter, and was shot in return, was a civilian police officer. The police officer is one of the 12 dead, if I understand correctly.
And thank you, armymom, for sharing your own experience. It is disturbing that it is so easy to get onto a military base.
Their uniforms are made in Pakistan?? Oh, wow…
the civilian police officer is a woman, and they now say she has survived
I’m in shock. This is so sad as well as scary. I guess we will have to see how it plays out. But, a MAJOR??? That throws me entirely.
Not only a major, but also a doctor.
previously assigned to walter reed
Reporting now that he was a psychiatrist, soon to be re-deployed to Iraq.
I don’t think he was ever deployed, anywhere. At least that is what I have read at some of the military blogs.
Not just a doctor, but a psychiatrist.
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It is reported that the shooter was a psychiatrist.
This unfortunate as well, as he would have been in possesion of mental health knowledge of those that used his services. Powder dry.
This is a sad day, my heart goes out to the fallen angels, the wounded and their families.
Fox News reports that he got a “poor performance” evaluation recently. That makes me ill since he was charged with helping soldiers deal with the strain of mental health issues … that he couldn’t even perform his job to help those soldiers. Damn him.
I am extremely concerned that the depth of stress our military personel experience is being over looked.
It also worries me greatly that while people may jump to conclusions, (Tammy), Mr. Johnson makes a point about the potential backlash of what’s in a name. It is easy to have a first reaction of this kind but lets get the facts. The shooter is dead, so he’s not going to say much as to why.
Even if the leap Tammy makes ends up being correct, the cultural scism will grow and our intel efforts may suffer for it.
It does raise many a question.
Thanks armymom for your insights.
Thank you, Teak, for your voice of reason. I concur.
Shooter is not dead. He is in custody.
I just got of grandchild duty, thanks SoCalDem.
Ferd, I have not served but I dam sure would not jump to any conclusions or redirect where the buck stops.
If you scan this thread, there are very fluid changes as to the validity of who is reporting what.
Peggy Sue and Armymom never mentioned anything about about placing fault but true to form, Pbot shits in his bed. Instead of taking his young daughter to a major pumkin patch, he should take her to the Changing of the Guard at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington.
Hope you have wonderful Grandparent duty, Teakwood.
Sometimes, we see that ugly thing known as political opportunism on a thread, when it is clearly inappropriate; this thread is one of them. Your grounded thinking and words are always a calming view, as are many others. Seems to be the crux of so much of what is tragedy in our country. Sometimes a crazy person is just that, and a murderer has no faith, home, or background group supporting them; there are frankly, crazy, mad, insane, etc.
…and why would you think he cared about helping his patients, considering he was killing as many as possible?
The ultimate betrayal.
My prayers are with the families of the fallen, and the entire Fort Hood family. But my fear, already, is that this is one of those events that will remain cloaked in mystery. We will probably never know the real truth of what happened in Texas today. God help these United States!
I cannot imagine how we could NOT know the story. There were SO MANY WITNESSES.
here is his facebook
http://www.facebook.com/people/Malik-Hassan-Malik/1008970609
strike that…… wrong person……. please delete comment
Is anyone else concerned about this administration’s reaction? The MSM will only show Obama’s reaction to the shooting and not the remarks he made beforehand. …
I think his first shoutout was to a veteran in the audience and then he thanked his cabinet and other staff. The whole tone was light…completely at odds with what one would expect given the tragic events at Ft. Hood. Then he moved into comments about Ft. Hood and, as others have pointed out, he seemed to lack any emotion about it.
Obama ‘giving a shout out’!!?? Does he EVER manage to act presidential?
I was disgusted with Obama’s lack of concern over the shootings. I could not believe he didn’t begin with his remarks about Ft. Hood. Still in shock about it.
It wasn’t about him so how important could it be. (snark)
Fox just reported he was told and that he kept on with his meeting with the president of Botswana, and then he went to that event and didn’t even let on he knew. WTF.
Wow, Obama’s My Pet Goat moment.
*facepalm*
Or maybe it was a “flyover” while multitasking. The thing is his handlers and writers apparently have no more regard for the military then he does himself. Which is sad and even unsettling. Which brings up the question about delaying a decision in Afghanistan and soldiers dying because the focus groups aren’t conclusive enough to proceed. Does anybody connected with this administration care?
This is not to condone, only to explain: Apparently Obama was scheduled to talk to the participants of a meeting between the Department of Interior staff and representatives of American Indian governments, so when he first came out to the podium he gave his scheduled ending comments to the participants. The “shoutout” (I saw the whole thing) was to some well-known Indian doctor who had taken part in the Conference.
That said, what bothered me about Obama’s remarks, is that he appeared to be reading them from a paper on the podium — he kept looking down, with lots of spaces in between his words, to make sure he read what was written. No compelling commentary, nothing came across as heartfelt. I think at a time like this, a President should come across as genuinely connecting with Americans who yearn for some kind of clear leadership. And since he doesn’t have it, he couldn’t give it. It was just words and the way he read them made it seem as if he was most concerned with reading the words correctly. I agree: he missed the mark.
He missed the mark and then some. He seems to be genuinely incapable of honest human emotion. I’m sure, though, he has Favreau working overtime to give his machine-like presentation just the right amount of saccharin to appropriately sweeten the next speech and an onion for dramatic effect at the ready behind the podium.
You would think when an incident as this he would be able to speak from the heart and not a piece of paper or teleprompter?
I feel the same way. He will never understand because he is completely self-absorbed.
I agree, its like he was trying to express his concern by reading extra carefully from his notes. weird. he does say “uhhhh” a lot less though, you can tell he’s been working really hard on that.
“He seems to be genuinely incapable of honest human emotion.”
Just like the narcissist he is.
He should be enroute to Ft. Hood pronto. It’s imperative as CIC.
His reading the words is what blew me away, too — the frequency with which he looked down, only two or three words at a time, one of which was the adjective to describe it: “horrible” I think it was — but he had to read it, and there was a pause til he found his place and said the word. The monotone delivery, the long pauses, reading as if it were a foreign language–so alien it was to him. Absolutely no place within his empty narcissistic shell from which to feel anything. Nothing to draw on. They’ll have to bring him in for reprogramming and wind him up again.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2009/11/united-arab-emirates-named-after-famed-scientist-robot-readied-for-life-of-mall-drudgery.html
maybe these guys can help
Reminds me a little bit of the creepy Burger King guy.
lol, it does!
What do you expect from someone who attended a ‘church’ for 20 years whose preacher kept screaming “G-d America”! This man has NO sympathy or compassion for America, especially the Christians! No wonder he has his birth certificate and his transcripts from college under lawyer-backed protection!
LOL I only came to this thread to see how long it would take for the conversation about the Ft. Hood tragedy to become about what a horrible person Obama is. No honest human emotions, huh, Ferd? Me either — I voted for him, so I’m not fully human either.
Uh huh. Some things never change.
It’s all about you, huh obot? Typical and predictable. You can’t get beyond your idolatry can you?
Take your garbage elsewhere.
No you are not human if this is a game to you. Go away.
Like I said, What planet are you from PBOT?
Words. Just words.
Narcissists lack empathy. Like somebody else pointed out, it wasn’t about him so he doesn’t care.
My partner and I couldn’t help but notice how much he was blinking when he was talking abt the massacre. It was rapid, and nearly constant, as he talked abt people who chose to go into service for this country.
Odd. Very odd. Good point abt the narcissists…
To me, his tone when he said the words “American soldiers” implied they were foreign to him. After that I stopped listening.
Great observation. it should have been “our soldiers.”
Two things;
1) listening to Rev. Wright cap on the military for 20 years.
2) Being a citizen of a foreign country like Indonesia as a child, he would by default not have any idenfication with “our troops”. Our brothers and sister children, parents, and grand parents in arms.
So much for the pet goat getting a day off.
Obama was certainly animated about Dept of the Interior conference proposals for the “the first Americans” (his term) and clearly annoyed at having to talk about anything that didn’t interest him.
It was more than obvious by his demeanor and order of remarks that he cares little, if any, about what unites us as a people, like our nation or its military.
Just as with his dear friend Ted Kennedy’s eulogy, there was nothing coming from that empty, hard heart. He had to read then regurgitate words. Just words. No feeling.
His affect was totally inappropriate, as was speaking about anything but the Ft. Hood tragedy first. If this doesn’t make people sit up and take notice that a clueless sociopath is “in charge,” nothing will.
Elizabeth, I saw that and just could not believe it. I understand that he was at a Dept. of the Interior function and giving a pre-written speech but why on earth couldn’t he have mentioned the soldiers at Fort Hood first?
I got an instant mental picture of Bush reading away on “My Pet Goat” while the terrorists attacked on 9/11.
Pathetic.
And I swear, if I have to listen to that singsong preacher’s/politician’s cadence one more time I’m going to scream.
da dum, da dum, da dum…BARK!
da dum, da dum, da dum…BARK!
I’m with you creeper. The cadence drives me even nuttier than the words.
Most assuredly the first words out of his mouth should have been about the tragedy that had befallen our soldiers and their families.
Real compassion, honest empathy are very hard to fake. He failed miserably.
Elizabeth,
It is weird, I never once thought about the Administration, not even a little. I suppose it is because I feel they already pretty well ignore the armed services to begin with, so until I got on the thread tonight, I hadn’t thought of it. I figured the Army would take care of their own,and beyond that it really never entered my mind.
I saw the entire video and felt he handled this badly. The words “Shout out” and his tone at the top were inappropriate under the circumstances. He should have been much more solemn off the top and gotten to his statement about this horrid tragedy right away. Everyone in attendance would certainly have understood.
Again, the media is protecting him if they are not showing the entire 5:43 clip. It was on CNN earlier.
The whole clip is up on YouTube. Seems we weren’t the only ones who noticed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0hiw8iXdMM
So, Malik Nadal Hassan,… that Hassan part seems familiar… must be an Arabic permutation of Hussein, as in Saddam Hussein, Barack Hussein Obama, etc.
Or maybe it’s the arab equivalent of “Smith”?
It did sound familiar for some reason.
This was Jihad.
Pure and simple.
I bet that there are cells on other bases.
There were other shooters. They’re in custody.
I hope they all burn in hell.
DIVERSITY IS NOT OUR STRENGTH.
Multiculturalism is a branch of Cultural Marxism.
Are you Marxists?
Yep. The native Americans found that out the hard way, didn’t they?
e pluribus unum.
Thank you.
Thank you
Third try:
Thank you, required reading.
No. We don’t endorse any of that kind of thinking.
It will be interesting to find out why he was transferred from Walter Reed to Ft. Hood.
On Fox now a co-worker who said that Hassan acted happy when the two guys were killed outside the recruiting center in Little Rock. Why wasn’t that reported to his superiors; didn’t that merit questioning and if his anti-American comments verified, then discharged?
Does anyone believe that a Muslim convert will actually be able to profess loyalty to the US Military; putting himself in place for possibly fighting or aiding in the fight against his brothers? It would be against his religion wouldn’t it? And wasn’t the shooter in Little Rock also a convert?
When you join the military, you know what you are getting into.
If they train you, in exchange you are expected to obey orders and serve for an agreed length of time.
Why is this not self-evident?
A guest on Greta’s show pointed out that this man got a FREE RIDE for his education, med school and residency via the military (ROTC, etc.). He estimated that that was one-half million dollars. And, the guest said, he repays us taxpayers by killing and maiming 40+. Bastard.
Yes, Annie - the shooter in Little Rock was a prison convert.
The cousin says he was Muslim all his life not a convert and his worst nightmare was being deployed. So why didn’t he ask for a discharge? What happens then is it a financial thing?
Getting in the service is much easier than getting out, unless you’re willing to take something less than an Honorable Discharge. There was a guy in my unit in the 70s who got a general discharge. He regrets it to this day.
Why, Ferd? What happens if you get a General Discharge?
Remember, I’m discussing the 70s. The General Discharge followed a person around. It was mainly given to those who weren’t criminals but who, for whatever reason, didn’t want to serve due to laziness or lack of discipline, or other reasons. You know the type at work probably. They will cut corners at every opportunity, refuse to do things, whine all the time, and make everyone around them miserable. The military has no time for that crap. In the 70s, it was a black mark–I suppose today it is worn as a badge of honor by some.
Thanks for that explanation Ferd — when you say that it “follows you around” - does that mean that it affected this guy other than psychologically? For example, when he went to get a job or apply for a loan or something, was that “general discharge” label listed someplace like on a credit report or on some document that an employer could have gotten a hold of?
At least then it followed you around when trying to get employment and say, a job with the government. It wasn’t financial, though, unless a loan officer might think you weren’t a good risk. It didn’t, as far as i know, go on one’s credit score.
My cousin got a dishonorable discharge in the 70s for assault in a bar. It did follow him around and it did prevent him from getting decent jobs.
Yeah, Obamastolemycountry, it sure did, at least then. I can’t speak to the present, though.
Yes, it also has an effect on claims for benefits for which you may otherwise be eligible. There’s a financial interest for sure. May affect employement, I’d doubt anything needing a security clearance would accept anything other than honorable.
From my experience, that is correct.
When’s Kerry going to execute form 180 as he once promised the late Tim Russert?
I think it’s safe to assume now that Prime Obot received a dishonorable discharge from reality.
On my way home from work tonight I heard on the radio someone predict that this tragedy would somehow be blamed on Bush. I initially waved off the absurd idea until it occured to me that Prime Obot might just be the one insane enough to do it. Now that I’ve read this thread, it’s nice to know that I now have absolute confirmation that he is deeply disturbed mentally, and morally bankrupt.
OK - primer on military discharges - I was a Marine Judge Advocate for 20 + years -
General discharge under Honorable conditions -awarded by an administrative discharge board (not a courts-martial) recipient keeps benefits such as va education, etc.
Other than Honorable discharge - administrative, awarded by administrative discharge board, often when a courts-martial did not result in discharge, or on approval of the courtsmartial convening authority as an alternative to trial and possible brig time. Results in loss of all meaningful benefits.
Bad conduct discharge - awarded by courtsmartial (special or general) (to enlisted only) Benefits lost
Dishonorable - awarded at General courts-martial to enlisted only most severe consequenses - no federal employment, no state employment in many states, no benefits
no right to vote
Dismissal - awarded to officers only aat general courts-martial. Loss of all benefits, and government employment
You’re right, of course. However, if verifiable history is any indication, it is our Constitution and rights that will take the brunt of the beating and the guilty parties will make videos and audios to rub our collective noses in.
The murder and wounding of more than forty soldiers is bad enough. If a cell of Muslim extremists have infiltrated the U.S. Army then this is going to cause some major blow back throughout the military. Muslim officers and enlisted personnel will fall under suspicion. Most of this will be unfair and unwarranted.
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Sorry, the ‘Muslims” in America have done little to quite our fears. I for one don’t trust any of them. I now have a mosque across the street from me as the lovely AA Chuch that was there decided to sell it to the Islam nation. I see males 20-60 dressed in native gear at night, never the daytime. Oh, I’m sorry, one day they had a blood drive. I always imagined them shipping it overseas, say to Iraq or something, but not to the green quarter. I have seen one woman, at least I thought it was a woman because she was in a Burka, lovely in 105 degree Texas weather. Lovely eyes,but then that was the on;y thing you could see, but then again, they were downcast. No children, never children.
Such a sad day my heart is with the fallen and their families.
OMG such a terrible incident. UGH!
Like I said, it was Jihad.
Here’s someone who worked with Hasan.
You won’t hear this stuff on the MSM.
That would upset another terrorist organization called CAIR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EA1v2r8sHc
There might be other reasons, Tammy, than Jihad. Occam’s razor comes to mind immediately. You should really ready yourself, aim, and then fire. Any other order can put you in a world of hurt.
Hasan was being investigated six months ago by the feds.
I’ll find the link later.
Oh, AND HE IS ALIVE!!!!!
I still want him to burn in hell, but then again, I have a friend at Fort Hood, and if he is dead, I will probably lose it.
Fortunately he will be dealt with by military justice rather than civilian courts. I don’t see how he won’t get the death penalty. There can’t be that much political correctness in the world…especially since about 68% of the military voted for McCain last election…they don’t like the present POTUS.
This is truly incredible — the retired Colonel who is speaking about Major Hassan sounds very believeable — you can hear the controlled emotion in his voice. This makes me think of the “multiculturalism” comment above — yes, we have to celebrate diversity in this country but if we sacrifice having a core set of values within which that diversity takes place, we are in deep trouble.
p.s. Thanks, Tammy, for including that link
[...] Murder, Mayhem at Fort Hood : NO QUARTER [...]
Well, his as his cousin said, he was trying to get out. It would only be natural that he wouldn’t want to be in a position to aid and abet killing his Muslim brothers. However, after 9/11, it seems he’d have had plenty of reasons to start the process of getting out.
Also WTH is the military doing having Muslims serving? The first one I remember was a guy in Iraq who was a convert…opened fire on his tent buddies; then the Little Rock killings and now this. Seems like enough of a heads up to me.
He wouldn’t want to be in a position to aid and abet killing his Muslim brothers? Most of the Muslims in this world that have died violent deaths have done so by the hands of their “Muslim brothers”.
That’s true OA, but this guy wanted to justify suicide bombings and wanted to blame the American military for being against Muslims. I’m not justifying him…merely putting it out as to his twisted reasoning.
He had no business taking 4 years of medical school and 2 years of residency all paid for as well as his service pay at the same time. That might be one reason he had a lawyer trying to get him out of the military…he didn’t want to repay the $$. As one commentator said, he repaid America by killing soldiers.
Interesting post on Flopping Aces: His military record states “no religious preference” but his family says he was a life long Muslim so he lied. I would want to know more about that because it could point toward covering up his reason for joining up in the first place.
I know you weren’t trying to justify him, we’ll let Prime Obot do that: “It wasn’t this guys fault really, Bush is the one who set up the circumstances for this guy to snap.” seems to be how P.O. blames this on Bush.
I was merely pointing out the horrific irony and hypocrisy of a man who joins the army to get his medical school paid for, he must have taken the Hippocratic oath (do no harm), he trashes the army AND the country that gave him an education worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, says he is furious about the killing involved with our war efforts, so in order to demonstrate his solemn status as a conscientious objector, he goes out and kills or wounds dozens of his army brothers and countrymen.
The guy is criminally insane, that’s it. This tragedy is no different than Va. Tech, Columbine, The Mall in Utah, etc. Military bases are for the most part just another community, not much different than other communities except for the uniform nature of the residents. Madmen exist in all environments, they snap for countless reasons, and attack in locations that range between military bases and an Amish schoolhouse. They might claim religious reasons, social reasons, economic reasons, family reasons, or countless other reasons for doing what they did, but the bottom line is that they are just sick, insane, and evil. Trying to read more than that into it, or to blame it on someone or something else, is a waste of time, and it will needlessly inflame the situation.
This is beyond sad; and speaking as one who has watched soldiers keep going over and over and over with very little time at home, I am not in the least surprised that someone cracked. That does not take away from the tragedy. It is the reality of what strain has been put on our soldiers for almost a decade.
Obama is not to worried over this he was busy giving his shout outs to this buddies in the audience before he spoke about the Forth Hood matter.
That man is heartless and uncaring, I could not believe what I was seeing when I was looking at his press conference today.
People of all nationalities serve in our military, it is surreal this was a Muslim. I am not going to jump to conclusions, however, I am going to wait for the Army to do what they need to, and hopefully we will be able to get some information. If not, then we will not know. I am not being caviler, but everyday soldiers our let go from the armed services for reasons you would not believe. People will purposely enlist, knowing full well they have no intention of carrying out their duty, there are complaints of being picked on, being pushed to0 hard etc., and I am sure there are times where that is true, but not at the volume you see now. It is because they are given anywhere between 10,000 to 20,000 upon enlistment. So once they have the money, the ones who never planned on serving think they can just leave; which they can, but are now having to pay back the money as they should and are not receiving veterans benefits, as in having their education paid for-that was another reason there were problems.
I am wanting to know who was reviewing the psych files of these three, especially as high ranking officers. Also, was this a sudden snap or were there indicators if only someone was watching? I do trust the Army will find out.
Spot on. The Army will investigate this, determine the cause, and propose a course of action–even if they have to turn over every rock on Ft. Hood twice to do it.
Speaking of which, did you notice with how much more authority the officer giving the press conference at Fort Hood spoke than the U.S. President? The officer spoke ex temporaneously, answered questions politely but firmly, exuded confidence that the case will be solved while convincingly expressing sincere condolences to the families of the dead and wounded, appeared accessible and authoritative at the same time. What a stark contrast to the limp lip syncing of our so-called Commander-in-Chief.
Amen to that. I really am not worried. The military takes care of things and they do it with their head screwed on straight and unemotionally.
This pretty much sums it up:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2009/11/05/the-media-will-downplay-his-religion-but-god-help-us-if-his-car-had-a-talk-radio-station-on/
That link demonstrates that there’s yet another one who fires prior to making ready and aiming. Really, let the military handle this. All this blather coming from people who wouldn’t know the business end of a rifle from their arse does nothing but shed a lot of heat and no light.
well this isn’t good: says the major came to the feds attention 6 months ago for internet postings:
http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/11/05/Sources-Authorities-had/1257470494.html
The Fort Hood site is currently down. Nom the article also said he served 6 years at Walter Reed, and was afraid of being deployed to Iraq.
Yes, that’s also in the vid of his cousin speaking.
one wonders why they would send him there when he had requested not: plainly he felt a strong conflict. I do understand there is a chain of command and it’s not his decision, but one imagines he would perform his duties better in the States.
I have heard both that he is from Jordan and that both his parents are Americans and he’s from Virginia; also that he is a lifelong muslim and that he is a recent convert.
Have there been any definitive statements that y’all have heard?
His cousin confirmed on Fox News that he’s been a lifelong Muslim. It appears the Major enjoyed his military service but as time went on became more and more disillusioned. The cousin made it sound like if it wasn’t for the war, Major Hassan could’ve happily continued in the military.
Major Hassan went to military medical school and did his intership and residency at Walter Reed. Apparently he finished it all June of this year and was promoted to Major and then transferred to Ft. Hood. A coworker of his has stated that Major Hassans attitude began to significantly change to being more negative about the war, etc about a year ago. And apparently he had a negative performance review this past year while still assigned to Walter Reed Medical center.
If it weren’t for giant conflagrations, many firefighters would be happy to continue as firemen.
If it weren’t for gang wars and riots many policemen would be happy to continue in the police.
Perhaps we don’t explain the concept clearly enough.
Yeah, he wanted to get free medical school and residency. He had no intention of being involved in…war…well, fighting for America that is.
And I can understand the cousin/family trying to convince everyone what a great American he is but that seems a bit ridiculous doesn’t it? They’ll stand right in front of you after a slaughter, look you straight in the face and tell you they’re good people. I don’t believe for one minute that the agenda has changed; they let the militants do the dirty work while they claim innocence.
The Fort Hood site is currently down. Nom the article also said he served 6 years at Walter Reed, and was afraid of being deployed to Iraq.Born and raised in Virginia from what I read.
It is surreal that he was a Muslim, but no more so than that he was a psychiatrist. He was probably regularly treating soldiers with post-traumatic stress syndrome, recently returned from Iraq and Afghanistan. Sending him to Ft. Hood might have been putting him at the eye of some sort of personal storm. What sort of things might he have heard day after day? What might that do to an unstable person caught between warring cultures? Who checks to see if the doctor is well? Getting answers is part of our moral obligation to take proper care of our psychologically wounded. We’ve neglected that in the past and there are indications we still are.
Right at this moment I’m looking at it as a person who went nuts. I think your comments about him being in the eye of a personal storm are very interesting. If his greatest fear is being deployed, he works daily with people who have been traumatized from being deployed, and then he learns that he will, in fact, be deployed, it makes much more sense (if any of this can be said to make sense) that this would trigger a breakdown. My rational mind asks what good it does to shoot other people to keep from being deployed, but I guess that’s the point–he’s not rational. However, I expect there to be a full investigation, and if his being Muslim has something to do with this, then we act from there. I think it was Ferd, though, who said upthread that this will probably impact OUR personal liberties. That’s my fear–that this will be used as a reason to control the internet and shred what little privacy laws we have left. I also wonder if we will ever know if the shooter being Muslim was a part of the motive–would Obama let the public know that?
My BIL served in Vietnam. He was shot three separate times, all while he was allegedly “safe” at home by people who simply went off the deep end. It happens during war because of stress and extended deployments but it also happens here at home in the civilian population without much of an obvious explanation at all.
My point being, his being Muslim may have had nothing to do with it all, his being in the military may have also been irrelevant. Sometimes people are just crazy and do horrible things.
on Larry King they have just said Major Hasan is still alive.
Yes, the LT Gen at Ft Hood confirmed at his Press Conference that both Major Hasan and the Dept of the Army civilian police officer that shot him are both alive. They were previously both reported as dead.
What a sad day for the Army.
One can only wonder whether that’s a good thing or not. Maybe we’ll understand more about what really happened with this guy, and maybe that will be useful in the future, but the process of finding out will be very hard on those who survived the soldiers he killed.
If I heard right, the ‘civilian police officer’
that gunned down Hasan is a woman and is in
serious condition.
As usual, first they lie, for a good reason of course. Then the truth comes out later. I think that is with every department of the Fed. Government. That is so disappointing to me. And what is funny is that the MSM always plays along.
During the Shepperd Smith Fox report he had a certain fellow who was exacting the information coming in and one could see that he was being deliberate on what he was giving out. I have that. I hate that the news media has the gull to hold the truth for some altruistic motive: making us act according to a hidden agenda.
It has been a sad day for America and the military. My prayers are with the families of all involved.
I agree. The story will change but the two sore thumbs of 1) the shooter being Muslim and 2) a psychiatrist will do nothing to further positive relationships.
Well, let’s hear what they have to say at that vestige of all things truthful,(cough)NPR.
Read the whole thing. This was not some PTSD case.
Hasan NEVER WENT TO IRAQ.
He was already in trouble for prostheletizing(and I know I spelled that wrong).
I don’t care how stressed this guy was.
Shrinks don’t go on killing sprees because they can’t handle what their patients tell them.
That’s just bullshit.
I’m glad he’s alive. He killed 12 innocent soldiers who took an oath to defend you and me, and he injured many more.
I want this Jihadist to PAY.
I want to spit on this man.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120138496
As a vet I am just stunned. The war, that the news media seems to be determined to ignore, just came home.
Prayers and condolences to the loved ones of the fallen and wounded.
Don’t think I’ll be doing much celebrating this Veteran’s Day.
I’ll be celebrating.
That people like YOU, candymarl, stand up and take an oath to protect the United States of America.
Don’t let this terrorist attack diminish your service.
What Tammy said,candymarl!!!
Thank you.
Along with others my thoughts and prayers tonight are with those affected by this devastating tragedy.
America needs to wake up about the Muslims in our midst. Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld that’s Conspiring to Islamize America by P. David Gaubatz and Paul Sperry.
I guess I’ve just been politically incorrect, but the above book discloses an undercover investigation that we need to take seriously.
Can be found at Amazon.com
This officer if he survives he should be charged with TREASON.
Yes.
And then shot.
Shot at 10:00 Trial at 11:00 Verdict at 12:00.
This murdering Jhihadist was giving away his belongings this morning.
He planned it.
Stop with the sympathy, PLEASE. There are 12 DEAD soldiers who were serving this country, and this man PLANNED this.
Are we going to shirk this off like the murderer in Arkansas(muslim) who killed recruiters? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH US? Stop the pity party for these Jihadis. STOP IT.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/the-jihadi-who-attacked-america-malik-nadal-hasan-is-alive.html
I don’t think the fact that most people aren’t ready to run out looking for mosques to burn down suggests that they’re the least bit sympathetic toward a man who just killed 12 innocent soldiers. That killer is in custody.
The people in America who probably have the most reason to fear after a senseless tragedy like this are law-abiding Muslims.
Agree, candymarl. It might turn out that the shooter being Muslim practicing Islam was a part of the motive, but that’s not where I go first. There was a horrible mass shooting at an Amish school a while back. Nobody mentioned the shooter’s religion. The massacre at Virgina Tech–don’t think I ever learned the shooter’s religion. Columbine…nope, don’t know the boys’ religion. It’s not being PC to wait for the facts.
But as I said above, if it does turn out that this was a Muslim who wanted to kill Americans, how will Obama handle that? He sure won’t want us to know.
There has been reporting from his neighbors that the Major was acting strangely today…giving away his furniture and belongings. Sounds to me like it was definitely premeditated.
This guy went to Va Tech..where there were also mass killings.
Look up Cathy O’Brien..she talks about Va Tech.
TROUBLING PORTRAIT EMERGES OF FORT HOOD SUSPECT
(Associated Press)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood_shooting_suspect
It sounds like he may have been suffering from vicarious trauma, from listening to war stories (although, he may have been more concerned with what was happening to his Muslim brothers than what had happened to the soldiers confiding in him). Vicarious trauma can occur to therapists who deal with others’ traumas, but a therapist should recognize what is happening and seek help. Certainly killing people is not a normal reaction. What’s really alarming is that it seems that he was giving off signals that should have suggested vicarious trauma, and no one around him in the military made him get help. At the very least, other psychiatrists working with him should have recognized what was going on. I wonder if they were afraid of getting the ole “racist” charge thrown at them….
Oh, the pity party for the killer.
FUCK HIM.
Look for every excuse you can, Lorac. When it’s YOUR family, you won’t be so sympathetic.
This was planned.
Calculated.
And now even CNN is showing him in religious garb that one only wears before going to prayers….on FRIDAY.
He was wearing those THIS MORNING.
Wake up, you stupid sympathy addicts.
Bull in a china shop. You react, always. Slow down and pay attention to what someone is saying. You miss a lot of points.
Tammy,
I am not sympathetic to this killer at all; but that is all I will give him, is that he is a killer. Why do you give so much more to this murderer? That is a lot of fear you are dealing out.
It is not a political issue or an opportunity to drum up fear, because on ONE person.
How about some background on poor poor killer/jihadi Hasan?
Hmmm?
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/fort-hood-jihadi-a-devout-muslim-had-palestinian-parents-admired-homicide-bombers.html
Tammy, Check out the post on Flopping Aces; they have posted a copy of his “Officer Record Brief” where it states under “Religion” “no religious preference”. Why would a life long Muslim’s be falsified?
that should read record be falsified?
It surprises me that people are sitting here thinking the shooter had PTSD. A far more likely scenario is that he’s an extremist, maybe a sleeper, who decided to commit a terrorist attack against America.
Why is that horrible thought so hard for people to believe? It makes MORE SENSE than the PTSD explanation.
I’m sorry if that sounds like profiling based on religion, but the guy was also posting anti-American things to the Internet before this happened apparently.
I vaguely recall Al Qaeda or someone warning that they were trying to infiltrate America with sleeper agents who would hold down regular jobs and whatnot and then would go berserk when activated.
Hard to believe? Not any harder than the idea that a licensed psychiatrist would go gun-happy after counseling people with sad stories.
I swear, it’s like most of America wants to believe 9/11 didn’t really happen or something.
I don’t think it’s a matter of not wanting to believe the worst. It’s a matter of waiting to get the correct information before going off the deep end.
First there were three men, now it’s one shooter. First he used two handguns, now we’re told he had at least one semi-automatic. He was a convert; he was a life-long Muslim. He was killed then miraculously alive.
All we know for sure is something horrible happened today at Ft. Hood, that there was violence, 40+ people shot and a senseless waste of life.
Everything else is conjecture at this point. The military will do its job, an investigation will be made and then, and only then, will we know the why and what for.
The man is in custody in the hospital. He’s not going anywhere. And frankly, I don’t think there will be a smidge of sympathy, not for him. Any and all sympathy should be for the victims and their families.
Retribution will come later.
What you said is reasonable, however…
Not that I want to go back to the days of terror alerts and some of the over-the-top fearmongering that Bush did…
But if this guy did this as a terrorist attack, then we should be on alert in case there are going to be other copycats or similar incidents.
Writing this guy off as a lone gunman before we know for sure what’s going on could be dangerous.
Although, I’m sure the security at military bases has already increased due to the incident, I think everyone should be a little more alert and less complacent right now.
Obama comes off as weak internationally, this might be a time for terrorists to test him.
And geez, my worst fears are realized, a gunman just killed 2 and wounded 8 people at an office building in Orlando.
He doesn’t appear to be Muslim (Hispanic last name) but this goes along with what I was saying about copycats.
Unbelievable.
I had trouble sleeping last night. I couldn’t get this whole sad series of events out of my mind.
Thank you Peggy Sue; I woke up early re-read the thread, and let these works sink in. My concerns are for the families on base, and for our military, and then for our nation as a whole. I do not want to see people return to the beliefs of all of any specific group of people being dangerous because of one, but this horrible incident doesn’t help at all; and yes the Muslim groups have come out and condemned this horrible act, but I also agree with the obvious fact there needs to be a more present effort in that repudiation, and more frequently.
We will know more today, and begin to see more of the pieces put together. Meanwhile the soldiers and their families are always in my prayers.
I would be more concerned with examining the drinking water at Virginia Tech. You don’t get PTSD from serving at Walter Reed. Like the media too many people are jumping to conclusions. Patience, please.
For now, I hope we can sympathize with the victims.
I think it is common for people sometimes to view everything very black and white (not talking about you, just in general). However, often problems are multi-dimensional, and while one facet wouldn’t be enough to set a given person off, the interaction of factors might do it. As I read around the web, I see people addressing different possible contributors to this man’s behavior - which I think is normal, as it will be a while before all the facts are known. People are exploring different possibilities.
I think the problem comes when some people grab onto one part of the issue and declare it to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, before all the information is in. Then they start insulting anybody else who may be wondering about other possible dimensions of the problem. It’s unnecessary, and certainly doesn’t help others in their search to make some sense out of a non-sensical tragedy.
lorac, well said, I appreciate your perspective. True you are, we try to make sense of things often before we know all there is to know. Thank you.
Thanks, Ms. “Berfle”
You are correct. There’s been a ton of armchair diagnosing regarding Hasan’s mental state.
The dude allegedly committed murder.
I’m sorry but I don’t buy the PTSD either. Hasan planned to kill innocent, un-armed people who did not know they were being targeted by him. If he had not been of the Muslim faith but let’s say for the sake of argument a “fundamentalist Christian”, I don’t think very many people would be making excuses for his acts of premeditated carnage.
Tammy, speaking for my self and just from what I have observed, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone that I have seen posting at NQ, except for kool-aid slugs, (Ziggy, excluded because he is a vet) who would pity a jhadist or give a second thought to a violent person meeting their maker.
what is an act of violence and will be examined for along time.
Yep, he had to listen to distressing stories from returning soldiers…Boo f***ing Hoo. He wasn’t distressed that they had PTSS, but that they were talking about killing his “brothers”.
Sometimes you have to take things at face value. He was a Muslim who declared on his records that he didn’t have any religious preference. He got a free education but didn’t want to do military service for it. He ranted about the US being in Muslim countries. He admired the Muslim who killed the recruiters in Little Rock. He was being investigated for internet posts about suicide bombing. He killed at least 11 people and wounded 30 others after handing out copies of the Koran to his neighbors and giving away his furniture. Sounds like Jihad to me.
I think you have to look at the overall agenda that all Muslims have been given…What was the video…The Third Jihad? The Muslims who don’t kill us still have an agenda to instill their laws, culture, religion on any population they can dominate. They are already suggesting that Sharia Law is appropriate here; having already been successful in UK. I have an article I’ll post later (have to look it up) showing the % of populations of countries they have immigrated to and what demands have been made at every stage.
POTUS’ response to this was weird/creepy. Has anyone seen it?
HERE IT IS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBjtg1YMpkk
OMG, what a f@cking @sshole. Upbeat ra ra…”Shout out” , then, horriffic news. Is he serious? This guy is such a loser. If he was going to use this to address the Ft Hood disaster, this is not how a smart leader goes about it. He should have addressed it in a different manner first, but he had the cameras and audience for his ego, to address it this way.
OMG
Can we please have a competent Leader?
I remember when Hillary was set to speak at a Conference when she was running for pres., but did not appear to speak at all, so as to not send mixed signals and try to garner the spotlight on a tragedy when some sick person took hostage a campaign office in NH.
Please can someone try to give this guy some lessons?
Breeze — thanks for posting this. I had to see it for myself to believe he was actually that callous. What a clueless, heartless SOB!
(I thought it was ridiculous when he had to read that he was Commander in Chief off the paper in front of him. He couldn’t even say that much without help.)
More evidence of his lack of resume. What an idiotic response! He seemed annoyed that he was forced to forgo his “broader” comments.
While I acknowledge that most Muslims want to go about their daily lives without making any trouble for anyone, the same could have been said of citizens of Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, or Imperial Japan (most didn’t want to send their neighbors to concentration camps, the Gulag, etc.). The problem is a huge conflict of ideology, and one side’s willingness to promote integration and tolerance, and the other’s not wanting it at all.
KK:
Take a look at this latest from the Taliban to the
Australians:
JOIN MUSLIM ASIA OR PERISH: TALIBAN
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/join-muslim-asia-or-perish-taliban/story-e6frg6nf-1225794873972
—————————————————
We may be taking PC too far at our own peril!
These folks mean business.
Yes, we are at a late stage in a very, very long war. Counterjihad, NOW!
Another question is whether the policeman who shot Nidal Hasan (I assume that he is of no relation to Baraq Hasan…) will be charged with a hate crime (the bill that Baraq Hasan just signed into law).
Some say that Islam had no bearing on this act of terrorism, however…http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/ap_on_re_us/us_fort_hood_shooting
According to Hasan’s cousin, he had been “picked on,” harassed by other soldiers because he was of “Middle Eastern origin.” This may be true—and if true, terrible—but so what?
Let’s assume it’s true: I know many people, including soldiers, including female soldiers, who have been brutally harassed. They do not shoot 44 people down in cold blood.
Who does? And why? The only answer most people want to hear is that a lone, psychiatrically deranged shooter did it. All by himself, on his own.
That is jumping to a conclusion just like saying it’s terror.
The media (MSM) has been busy making this man the victim–no surprise here.
Uh, if that were true, which I suspect would be a ribbing like each one does to the other, ie “red neck”, etc, IF it were true, that gives reason for this? Worse, wasn’t he a Psychiatrist? Hello. Why is it the field they go in is the field they have a problem with?
Well, its refreshing to see the press digging up details on the shooter’s life. I didn’t know they were still able to dig up a few facts.
It is such a terrible story. Western psychiatry vs Quran. Unfortunately its not much of a stretch for a crazy person to find the bad in the Quran, theres plenty to be had.
I hear he didn’t speak fluent arabic, so I wonder if he could read the Quran himself or if some friendly Imam spent time explaining the gist of the book to him. Would be interesting to know seeing as he attended a mosque not 5 miles from me when he was at Walter Reed getting his bad performance evaluations and giving religious sermons to his coworkers.
I think the phrase “Emotional Carnage” is a very apt description of the atmophere now in Ford Hood.
It is not only a tragedy but also a betrayal, which is even harder to bear.
So true. Betrayal hits deep.
There is SOME good news from Fort Hood.
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=9542
My family and I extend heartfelt condolences to the families of the dead and injured, and the military family in it’s entirety!
I did not sleep last night, and found out this morning that this murderous monster is alive.
This vile man had to have been planning this attack for some time.
In the coming days, we will learn more about the heros there, who may have saved lives.
My emotions are churning, and it is clear that our safety and security are fragile blessings, in large part provided by those who serve! God bless America!
NEWSDISSECTOR WEBSITE REMINDS US OF PAST VIOLENCE AT FORT HOOD:
http://www.newsdissector.com/blog/2009/11/05/
Recently several soldiers supported by Under the Hood have taken public acts of resistance, including Amnesty International Prisoner of Conscience Travis Bishop and Victor Agosto.”
There has also been a history of violence in the area as Mark Ames reports on Alternet.org:
“The most shocking thing about Major Malik Nadal Hasan’s shooting rampage in Fort Hood, Texas. I’ll start with this: there’s nothing all that ground-breaking about it. Happens all the time, it’s just that we’re a nation of amnesiacs who forget all the unpleasantries, and refuse to learn the valuable lessons.
For starters, Fort Hood is located in Killeen, Texas — where one of the deadliest rampage shootings in American history took place in 1991, when an unemployed ex-Navy enlistee, George Hennard Jr., crashed his pickup into a popular cafeteria, pulled out two handguns (Hasan also used two handguns), and murdered 23 people before taking his own life. The day before the massacre, Hennard was eating a hamburger in a local restaurant watching the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings and, according to the manager, “When an interview with Anita Hill came on, he just went off. He started screaming, ‘You dumb bitch! You bastards opened the door for all the women!’”
So yesterday’s Fort Hood shooting isn’t the worst or most deranged mass-killing in Killeen’s history — not by a longshot.”
This is a terrible tragedy and as a citizen of Bell County, it is overwhelming. My son is a doctor here and he was part of the team that saved the life of Nadil Malik Hasan.
The team did not know it was him because we were all told he had died.
The community is in mourning, and we are also appalled at Obama’s speech yesterday. He gave a “shout out” and grinned and spoke for 3 minutes before addressing this national tragedy.
And to Barb above - shame on you. The 1991 killings in Killeen have nothing to do with yesterday’s tragedies. Are you implying that this is Killeen’s fault or that somehow it is not out of the ordinary for our community? Your post is revealing of your nature. Shame on you.
Thank you TexasMirth for the information: from this army family our prayers are with the community and soldiers families.
I too think the military comes out of this standing tall. Just to give you a sense of what the MSNBC is feeding to the sheeple: as I was flipping news channels last night, I forced myself to alight briefly on that Rachel effing Maddow thing because she was interviewing somebody about soldier-on-soldier violence. After a minute, it turned out that the interviewee, as well as the sources that MSNBC was citing for all of its information, was Rolling Stone Magazine (!) And then Rachel and the Rolling Stone guy agreed that it’s the “military’s fault” and that we had better start looking at the military as the source rather than the solution of problems. This is beyond disgusting; the Pandara’s box of anti-American claptrap opened by the audacity of this presidency continues to sadden me beyond belief.
Allahu Akbar. Let’s see how those unindicted co-conspirators of CAIR spin this one.
Holy Smokes - I didn’t know what CAIR was, so I googled it and found some pretty disturbing stuff.
First, the ACLU apparently thinks it’s as American as apple pie (from Wikipedia):
“Maya Harris, executive of the ACLU in California, has described CAIR as “a leading organization that has advocated for civil rights and civil liberties in the face of fear and intolerance, in the face of religious and ethnic profiling.”
Actual details are avaiable at a CAIR opposition site:
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
It is being reported that the shooter was actually involved in Obama’s transition team working with homeland security. Does anyone know if this is true?
Portia E:
This appears to be the most credible response I found via a Google search. Hasan’s full name was apparently on page 29 of the list of participants. Site link below quote:
“Major Malik Nidal On BHO’s Transition Team?
Bob McCarty writes:
Incredibly, it appears that Maj. Malik Nidal Hasan, the alleged shooter in the massacre that resulted in at least 12 dead and 31 wounded at Fort Hood [on November 5], served on the Homeland Security Policy Institute’s presidential transition task force between April 2008 and January 2009 when Barack Obama was inaugurated as the nation’s 44th president.
Read it all.
According to this,
The task force was not officially affiliated with the White House. It was a project of the Homeland Security Policy Institute, an independent thinktank housed at George Washington University, aimed at drafting policy recommendations for the incoming Obama administration. ”
http://alwaysonwatch2.blogspot.com/2009/11/major-malik-nidal-on-bhos-transition.html
(I just posted this on Hulu, after watching the Daily Show from last night.)
Slick, slick, slick. Mr. Stewart opens his segment with Ms. Rice by thanking her for keeping her scheduled appearance on the show notwithstanding what he described MUST BE the Administration’s focus on responding to the killings at Ft. Hood. Then, he deftly segued into the meme that PTSD is a serious problem, thus converting the shooting murder by an American soldier of more than a dozen of his fellow service people, to a case of PTSD. Thus, by assuming facts not in evidence, Mr. Stewart avoids the facts in the record: 1) the man was never in combat; 2) he was scheduled to deploy to Iraq and did not want to go; and 3) he was a devout Muslim who shouted “Allah Akbar” (Allah is great) as he mowed down his victims. Ms. Rice, only too willing to perpetuate the lie, agreed, the Administration is doing all it can to deal with PTSD from returning service people.
The duet of Stewart and Rice perfectly perform the ’straw dog’ 2-step to a breathtakingly new level of obfuscation.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/fort-hood-shooter-maj-nidal-malik-hasan-calm/story?id=9012995
Well, ya know, he was a sensitive guy traumatized just hearing about war.
This just came on the local news.
One of my fellow Minnesotans was one of the victims of this terrorist attack. I can’t help but feel that I know this kid.
Five years ago I was speaking in High Schools in St. Paul, and many of the Hmong students were proudly joining the Army. This man died at 23. I wonder if I spoke to him. What an eerie feeling.
Please pray for him and his family.
http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1237734.shtml?cat=206
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