Jihadist Wannabe
By Larry Johnson on November 7, 2009 at 8:08 AM in Current Affairs
(This post is bumped up from Friday.)
Major Nidal Malik Hassan short circuited yesterday and we had more American soliders killed in one day at Fort Hood than have been killed in Afghanistan in a single day this year. So much for the dangers of combat. Hassan is not a Post Traumatic Stress Disorder victim. Anyone who tries to push that line is as delusional as Hassan.
What about Islam? We have to deal with these hard facts. There are over 1 billion muslims in the world. If murder and mayhem was a simple consequence of being muslim then we would see horrific, horrendus attacks every day. But we do not. However, Hassan’s religious devotion did not dissuade him from killing unarmed people in a cowardly fashion. The soldiers may have been wearing uniforms but they were not armed and certainly were not in a combat theater.
There was a break down in the Army chain of command. Why?
Hassan, through previous comments and actions, showed clear signs that he was not fit for duty, particularly as a psychiatrist. As is so often the case in a large bureaucracy like the Army it is always easier to defer action or pass along a problem rather than fix it. Fixing a dysfunctional guy like Hassan is a lot of trouble. At a minimum there will be a mountain of paperwork. I realize that hindsight is always 20/20, but his last fitness report should have set off some alarm bells.
But cases like Hassan are not unique. I know an Army Lt. Colonel who is currently stationed in Europe. He is not muslim but he is a disturbed personality who talks openly of his SadoMasochistic fantasies. The Army promoted him last year from Major to Lt. Colonel. He has some disturbing personality traits and could very well blow his cork one of these days. And what did the Army do? They promoted his sorry ass.
Let’s not forget that there are several thousand muslim soldiers and marines who are serving their country honorably. The cowardice of Nidal Malik Hassan should stain only Nidal. That is no comfort for those families weeping today for their fallen soldier.
I do not think that Nidal Hassan was part of some jihadist cell. He acted on his own, apparently inspired by what he thought was “jihad.” I heard his cousin claim, “Nidal was a good American.” No, Nidale was a bad American. He’s a despicable person. He took an oath as a physician to do no harm. He has inflicted pain and suffering that will span generations. We may come up with some explanations of why this happened but I am certain that there is no excuse for this action. None. I hope the military moves quickly to court martial and execution of this man. He deserves that.
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THANK YOU, LARRY, for pointing out that this is not a case of post-traumatic stress syndrome. The local radio station here in Bell County is reporting that witnesses heard Hassan scream out: ALLAH AKBAR! - as he opened fire. I cannot confirm this but it is being reported on the local radio station.
Last night I heard Campbell Brown on CNN repeatedly say that Hassan was “deploying AGAIN to Iraq” — and yet, it is my understanding that the guy has never served overseas. That subtle, yet inaccurate assertion of the word “AGAIN” seemed rather deliberate as it was repeated by Brown in her broadcast.
The press is also pushing this post-traumatic stress by proxy idea. He heard stories and thus, developed the syndrome. I don’t think it works like that.
This is such a sad day for our community and the country. I hate to see or hear the media spin it into some story that attempts to rally sympathy for this evil man.
I think he committed a terrible act, but you must understand that he and his family are also the victims. Bush now has the blood of 12 more people on his hands.
Freedom Fighter - what a misnomer. If the guy had blown up an abortion clinic because of his beliefs, would you call him a victim then?
HE IS A MURDERER. Look it up in the dictionary.
He is not a victim you moronic fuck.
I’m no fan of Bush, but come on! This guy is responsible for his actions. He made a a definitive choice to murder innocent people.
Nice one Jane
This man was born in America, what the f##k has Bush got to do with this?
If this was Bush’s fault then it can not be Obama’s fault (of course nobody was blaming Obama. “The wicked flee where no man pursueth”.)
FF,
Even if your reasoning was justified (which it’s not, you really are stupid) Bush is not the president. Obie is. Obie was the one sending him to a war zone. Obie is the one allowing our soldiers to die, Obie is the one responsible for the killing. He could withdraw everyone and send no one, but he don’t care. Funny how you morons were screaming for Bush to withdraw, “bring our troops home” but now not so much.
This is the idiot master you serve:
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html
a victim he’s a wak job that flipped his lid got on the top of a tables to fire over the cubicles the soldiers were seated in.
He shouted out Allah Akbar and went on a murderous rampage???
an I guess your excuse is you have blogger syndrome go seek help asap.
“he and his family are also the victims.”
I find this assertion extremely perplexing. You seem to have a disconnect with reality that trumps any attempt at response.
Nom Nom,
That is a fantastically good response.
Earth to FF:
Murderers are not victims!
At anytime, he could have left the army. He chose to stay, collect his pay check and then committed this atrocity. victim? you must be fucking joking!
You make “Prime Obot” seem reasonable.
Got that Obama derangement syndrome going heh?
Negative freedom fighter you should be ashamed of yourself. You need a reality CHECK! The blood is NOT on GW’s hands. The blood is on the HADJI who committed this hanus act of TERRORISM. THATS RIGHT. I said TERRORISM! The WHITE HOUSE better BUCK UP. I find it interesting that the MEDIA and The WHITE HOUSE claimed about a month or so ago that they FOILED terrorism Plots and some of them were LONE terrorists. So just because this HADJI does not belong to a cell does not mean he is NOT A TERRORIST. Use your brain FREEDOM FIGHTER.
To put it in perspective to some of you who may not fully understand. If a suicide bomber walks in to a cafe and blows himself up, he is what? Thats right a terrorist. He does not need a cell to be a terrorist.
PEOPLE DO NOT ALLOW THIS HANUS ACT OF VIOLENCE TO BECOME A CRIMINAL MATTER. WE ARE AT WAR!
Im with you on one comment you made LARRY!
“”"I hope the military moves quickly to court martial and execution of this man. He deserves that.”"”"
And FREEDOM FIGHTER If you really want to talk about BLOOD on ones HANDS i suggest you look no further than the SENATE AND HOUSE! They voted and gave authorization to the pres. TRUTH HURTS !
FF again you confirm that no-one should ever take your comments seriously.
Get the hell out of here you mental midget. We don’t need your faux provocateur posing. What a coward you are.
Freedom Fighter’s comment is astounding in it’s stupidity.
You are a twisted sack of shit!
This “TERRORIST” is a “COWARD” that was taken “DOWN” by a “GIRL”!
CAROL HAKA
Freedom Fighter has got to be saying this to goad a response a responee becaue anyone who actaually believes this statement shouldn’t even the ability to type. Magical Thinking ends usally just after age six when people began to move towards Concete Operational Level of Cognative Developement. So if Freedom fighter believes what he just said, he still believes in the tooth fairy and Santa.
The short version….he is either a jack ass or dumb as hell. Which one is it Freedom Fighter? Are you a jerk trying to goad us on? Or are you and adult with the IQ of a four year old?
freedomn nonfighter, i have had enough of your insults, simple minded deluded excuses for murder. get your sorry self off here and get some medical help.
A very tragic situation. My condolences to the families on both sides of the terrible event. That being said, the rightwing is trying to play politics with this tragedy. I saw a few articles trying to somehow connect this to President Obama. Perhaps African Americans and Chris Matthews have reasons to be concerned for the President’s safety. Please do not allow the right fringe link this tragedy to President Obama.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/our_clueless_c_in_c.html
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html
Pitiful. Again do not try to hijack a thread, this thread belongs to the soldiers, asshole.
You guys/gals are cracking me up today!
Fomenting hatred or attempting against CIC past or present will get a bit of an eagle eye on your posts FF. Not real smart on this topic, on this blog.
Before Obama, examining the President’s behavior/actions was considered “criticism” now its always “hatred”.
Katmoon, you sound like a moronic bully.
Civilians are still allowed to criticize the president. That’s actually one of the rights the military fights for all Americans. “Not real smart”? Look in the mirror.
This blog isn’t the mess hall in Kandahar. Don’t bully people out of using their 1st Amendment rights.
“Not real smart” sounds like you are saying that the guy is putting himself in danger by speaking his mind. Uh oh, Katmoon is going to give you the “eagle eye”! Are you going to reach through your computer with your hairy arms and choke somebody? You are really tough!
Just because you spend your whole life in a military culture doesn’t mean this is a police state, dummy.
If you want to honor the military, maybe you should start by honoring what they fight for. Being able to criticize the President is exactly what makes America so beautiful. (and no, we should not suspend the 1st Amendment during tragedies, you moron) Luckily, our Fore Fathers protected that right against bullies like you that threaten to get violent with those you disagree with.
Joe- Or whoever you are, it appears I am your target of the hour. You pretty much just feel the need to go off, no matter what I post or which way I turn. A lot of pent up anger there(so familiar). Unload, enjoy yourself. You will read into my posts whatever you want to; have fun. So far so good, on the creativity, I give you a 7.
Thank you for not threatening me with violence. I’m glad your Xanax kicked in.
As in you are familiar, why the name change?
Uncalled for!
Courtesy is contagious.
joe, shut up and stop acting like a whining victim. you are none of those.
joe you are the one in need of meds.
Bronwyn, I had another post hit the spammy hopper. Retrieve if you can. Thanks!
I’m not sure what blog you’ve been reading, Joe, but NQ is hardly an apologist site for Barack Obama.
Right now, politics is secondary to this tragedy, the victims and their families. An investigation is underway. All we know for certain is that Hassan opened fire on unarmed men [the act of a coward], that he was American born [which makes him a traitor]. He’s a Muslim, which may or may not make him an extremist, a jehadi dreamer or a guy who went off his rocks.
But in the end, he’s a murderer. No sympathy, no excuses. But let’s stop writing fiction until we know the facts.
Thank you again Peggy Sue; you have some great timing, and some good insight. My remark regarding the “eagle eye” was hopefully to be understood, as this person who did the attacking at Ft. Hood was being scrutinized for some pretty heavy duty remarks, he had placed. We are often subject to people placing inflammatory statements on this site, using words that key in attention I believe in order to cause that very thing, a problem for the site.
I have never seen a regular here ever, threaten anyone else’s safety, save myself today, (with the cyber face slap).
Which is what got me fired up with the usual suspects, name changing like socks, dragging this into political theater. I never meant to imply there shouldn’t be freedom of speech; there is a fine line in which most have some form of self discipline not to make something political, that isn’t, as far as we know.
Anyway thanks Peggy Sue
Joe, you are banned. We tolerate dissent all the time,but we refuse to tolerate name-calling and generally demeaning arguments.
Bronwyn, if you need to ban me as well, I understand. But could it please just be temporary if so? I promise to never cyber face slap again.
Actually, you are on moderation. Which means your comments will each have to be approved.
Fair enough, sorry for the extra work.
… unless its directed at people who support the President. there’s plenty of name calling here… hell if you can get banned from this site for name calling why the hell do ferd’s posts still show up!!
that’s just priceless… do as we say, not as we do.
I am sure AG Holder and the FBI are closely monitoring you guys, for good reason, as you are always criticizing our President.
Oh, yes. Criticizing the president is certainly grounds for being “monitored”.
You’d have fit right in with the Nazis.
Are you insane, FF?
Oh, that’s right: dissent is treason.
Another prog wet dream.
I chose my words inartfully. Please replace criticizing with attacking.
There’s nothing “artful” about your comments, FF. Changing a word does not make it so.
You need to be a little more accurate. We are VERBALLY attacking the Prez. Still allowable under the Constitution. I know this makes you sad.
Joe, what’s you take on the above comment?
And those of us who wish to criticize Obama will continue to do so. We are protected by a certain document called the Constitution. Ever hear of it?
It’s okay for you to blast Bush though, isn’t it?
You turned the post around to suit your needs FF. You know we frequently criticize here, both sides; but you purposefully seek to inflame on a regular basis. What is pathetic is that is your first goal, not a concern, for the actual event- just politics as always for you. Very one-dimensional.
As a veteran, I reserve the right to criticize any president I so desire. I criticized Bush when he was in office and now I criticize That One. It is called political speech, which is protected by the First Amendment. He is unfit, unqualified, and dangerous.
As for monitoring–I truly don’t care. If all they have to keep themselves busy are my comments, then perhaps the government needs to shed a few agents.
Next.
FreedomFighter: You prove my point that Obama is Bush II.
nonfreedom fighter, what a pathetic joke your comments are on here. sad, pathetic and totally lacking in any understanding of american values, the Constitution or anything remotely amercian. i question if you a citizen.
Katmoon: I would wager that no one who posts regularly on NQ would want to go through what we experienced when JFK was assassinated. Doubly so with this POTUS. The worst scenario ever imagined with the race riots that would surely follow and turning the incompetent CIC into a martyr and historical hero. To muddy the real situation is not what any one wants.
No one should be killed because of disagreements over politics. What a travesty that is. That’s what the vote is all about. And even if we feel he stole the election, now we know how to combat that and it isn’t by violence. It’s going to happen by outsmarting them.
i do not connect this to dr utopia ,however he is utterly despicable because of yesterdays remarks.
first instead of leading with condolances to the familys and the nation for yesterdays tragic event himself took 1minute 58 seconds to thanks the staff and the native americans at the meeting he was at.what a poser.
secondly and more offensive to me he thanked dr indian joe and reffered to him as a medal of honor winner.im sorry there is a huge differance between a presidential medal of freedom that is given out for political reasons and the congressional meadal of honor.dont beleive me just look up john basilone and then try and look up dr indian joe.after youve done that please tell me the reasons that someone who is our commander in cheif doesnt know the differance.maybe if cover for his dumb ass enough he will give you a presidential medal of freedom as i doubt that even if you were in a posistion that called for totally disreguarding your personal life and safety to save your fellow grunts or GI’s you would ever rise to that occasion.
By making that huge mistake about the distinction between the two very different medals, I think BO just dropped again in respect and esteem from the military and veterans.
It’s been reported that the doctor was actually involved in Obama’s transition team working with homeland security. Does anyone know if this is true?
You don’t mess with the “Medal of Honor.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Honor
Which is to be clearly differentiated from the “Presidential Medal of Freedom”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Medal_of_Freedom
Barack Obama awarded Joe Medicine Crow the latter medal in August of 2009. Confusing the 2 medals is a sad mistake, particularly for the President of the United States:
NBC - the Obama network
Chicago - the Obama home team.
That is not the extreme right wing you fuckwad. It means that even people who are hardcore Obama fans are noticing that there is NOTHING THERE.
After 2 1/2 minutes of glib chatter, he then decides to address the dead US soldiers in Texas. He does so by slowly and dispassionately reading off of notecards. Like Spock.
Then he only makes it worse by adding his own, uncaring comments at the end.
There wasn’t a damp eye in the house.
Could you imagine the emotion if a human, American president had to address this tragedy? Any of them, Democrat or Republican (or McCain or Hilary)…they would have CARED about this. He does not.
FF: to your shame you are trying to play politics with this tragedy. This isn’t about Obama or Bush or some guilt trip you progs want to drag out at every opportunity.
Hassan was a coward and a traitor, a man who I’m sure will point to the war and blame “it” for the rampage. It’s so-o-o PC.
The blame rests with Hassan. What he is, in reality, is a murderer, who deserves whatever he gets.
FF told us yesterday on another thread that he just likes to come here and get reactions. It’s all a big game to him. Apparently he has no one else to play with.
It’s rather difficult for Free-dumb to get anyone to play with him as any playmates would need a paper bag to cover their head in case his broke.
FF,
The article from CNBC is RIGHT ON. And even they have watered it down to blame Obama’s staff instead of the guy who is supposed to be Commander in Chief.
IF, and that is a major conditional, we had a REAL Comamnder in Chief, he would have gone to Fort Hood and met with the families and wounded in the hospitals.
But no, we have an emotionally 15 year old narcissistic BRAT in OUR WH and the troops are suffering for lack of adult leadership.
As far as Chris Matthews worried about someone trying to kill Obama, that is nonsense. Tweety is just trying to get attention. In fact I know of NO ONE who wants to ever see Obama made a martyr.
However, 10 years of hard labor at Fort Levenworth, for his crimes against the people of this country, may make him GROW THE HELL UP!!!
Why Fort Levenworth???… because we need a secure facility until the classified information he knows is good and stale dated.
So FF, please go back to Daily Lost and cry in your collective beers.
Thank You, and do not let the door hit you on the way out!
So well said, Larry. You have a gift for perspective. And you have an answer to some of the liberal twits who claim he may have had PTSD. No one has any sympathy for a stressed father who kills his entire family. Hasan killed his immediate professional family yesterday for no reason except that he was so full of venom that he didn’t care about others.
It is criminal he ever became a psychiatrist. His poor evaluation at Walter Reed means that he must have been an AWFUL therapist. I just feel so badly for all of his patients — they HAD to see this man to get help. Many patients may have come to rely on him as their therapist. And he does THIS to his patients?
Also: Great point about muslims.
Lastly: The anecdote you tell about the Lt. Col. is sickening. I have a relative who was a Lt. Col. and then promoted to Col. — it makes such promotions almost seem less worthy when bad soldiers get them too.
Bronwyn
I have been wondering this since last night. That bad review surely has something to do with patient interaction.
When our son returned from his first tour in Iraq, although he had the Army AOK, we felt it best for a private psychiatrist to also spend time with our son, applying the “just in case method”…
I think there are two theories as to WHY:
1) He didn’t want to go to Afghanistan to technically serve an army that was fighting people who shared his own religion - not a jihad attempt as a part of some sleeper cell, but a personal, random choice at that moment he was to be deployed.
Or…
2) He lost his marbles because he has some serious mental problems - and the irony of all this is that he is a psychiatrist. There are more crazy doctors out there than we’d like to even imagine.
Anyway - this event will hurt honorable soldiers who are Muslim and proudly serving the US military - and it shouldn’t.
Yeah. You know I really don’t give a damn WHY he did this. Lets just deal with his actions.
I have a horrible feeling that the whistle wasn’t blown on him by someone earlier for fear of being called a bigot who is anti-muslim.
Jack Jacobs, on Morning Joe, intimated that the feds were on to this guy because of his Internet postings but that the feds hadn’t shared this with the military. Caveat: They don’t have the full story yet, so it’s premature to condemn the feds for not communicating with military.
Suicide rates for psychiatrists are among the highest for any profession as a whole.
It makes me think of the fascination of the psychopathic, sociopathic Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs: the healer of minds as the most evil and demented character imaginable . . .
He is a murderer, and should be handled as such. I know too many soldiers who have served several tours, and are living their lives without causing harm to others or themselves. To claim these are acts related to PTSD, is to diminish what true PTSD is for those who suffer from it. I believe he was a coward and used his religion as a veil, so it would be seen as a crutch to solve a situation he had put himself into, and which was allowed by some CO’s somewhere to fester. This was as far as we know, not anything to do with some cell or Jihadist activity save his own ill reasoning to make it appear as such. I have no sympathy for this man, and I hope there is no red tape in the way for this murderer to be dealt with quickly.
Larry, thank you for an even-handed perspective.
I will focus on “execution”, for I whole-heartedly agree!
Ironic isn’t it that this murderer’s life was saved by merciful people, when he showed none!
I am not pro-death penalty but there are times that call for it.
I am with you on that one Bronwyn.
I am sorry Larry, but we have kept our powder dry in the country for FAR too long.
Read this article and the book it speaks of and find out the truth of where our stupid PC liberals have led us.
Shooter advised Obama transition
Fort Hood triggerman aided team on Homeland Security task force
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Posted: November 06, 2009
9:21 am Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan
NEW YORK – Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the alleged shooter in yesterday’s massacre at Fort Hood, played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama’s transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document.
The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University published a document May 19, entitled “Thinking Anew – Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 – January 2009,” in which Hasan of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant.
Hasan received his medical degree from the military’s Uniformed Services University School in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.
Noting that the Obama administration transition was proceeding, the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute report described on the first page the role of the Presidential Transition Task Force as including “representatives from past Administrations, State government, Fortune 500 companies, academia, research institutions and non-governmental organizations with global reach.”
While the GWU task force participants included several members of government, including representatives of the Department of Justice and the U.S Department of Homeland Security, there is no indication in the document that the group played any formal role in the official Obama transition, other than to serve in a university-based advisory capacity.
According to the “About Us” section of the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute, the group is a “nonpartisan ‘think and do’ tank whose mission is to build bridges between theory and practice to advance homeland security through an interdisciplinary approach.”
The Homeland Security Policy Institute is led by Frank J Cilluffo, who formerly served in the White House as special assistant to President Bush for homeland security, and by Daniel Kaniewski, who formerly served in the White House as special assistant to President Bush for homeland security and senior director for response policy.
“Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor,” Hasan said about America before he and possibly other Muslim soldiers at Fort Hood shot 43 fellow soldiers, killing 12, who were returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.
“He said Muslims had a right to attack” the U.S., said Col. Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan at the Texas post, where the devout Sunni Muslim refused deployment. “He said Muslims shouldn’t be fighting Muslims,” he added. “He was very clear on that.”
According to an explosive new book, “Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That’s Conspiring to Islamize America,” Hasan is just the tip of a jihadist Fifth Column operating within the ranks of the U.S. military – which is too blinded by political correctness to see the threat.
Quoting from a classified military briefing, “Muslim Mafia” reveals that this Fifth Column has penetrated “every branch of the U.S. military.” The Islamist enemy has even infiltrated the al-Qaida detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
This book is no fiction. The people infiltrated CAIR and took out actual files, emails, notes, tapes etc to write this book with the knowledge of FBI. CAIR has of course now sued the makers.
Better put on the tin foil hat before reading that one.
You should read the book and research the authors before deciding it’s “tin hat” material.
ABSOLUTELY! Dead on Larry. This guy should have been taken out early with all the signs he showed.
More and more these days we find that the true heroes are the whistleblowers and individuals who stand up to bureaucracy to shine a light on something going wrong or someone who is obviously a ticking time bomb. Usually it is the courageous conscientious farsighted person who gets punished because either the people in charge are shortsighted or think doing something about it is too much trouble.
I urge everyone to raise their children to not be afraid of standing up and pointing out a wrong or problem that they see and not be concerned what the rest of the group thinks of them.
The greatest quality of Americans is their individualism and courage and willingness to rise above groupthink and point out what others are unable or unwilling to see or acknowledge.
The family of the shooter says he was harassed. Not too long ago in Texas, a black man was dragged to his death on a chain behind a pick-up truck.
I find it interesting that after having been in Texas only since July, this man chose to act out at Fort Hood when he might have acted at his previous assignment.
This tells me that the harassment at Fort Hood may have been especially intolerable. Of course, we can’t attribute racism and harassment to Texans only, as many bad actors often go to Texas in order to blend in with the culture and get away with things. Not in the least condoning what this man did but I’m not at all surprised in happened in Texas.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc. You’re certainly no logician.
This isn’t simply logical fallacy Ferd, this guy is suffering from prejudicial dementia.
Complete nonsense, this stuff about Texas and harrassment.
If you’re going to talk about not too long ago, may I point out the report of all the women that have not only been been sexually harassed but sexually assaulted while serving in the military.
I haven’t seen reports of any women going on murderous rampages.
No excuses are ever possible for mass murder.
Larry is spot on.
And this blogger expresses how I feel about this one-man Jihadist murderer.
I don’t give a shit about Hasan.
I only care about the families that he has destroyed.
http://nicedoggie.net/index.php/archives/3453
Larry, good post as usual. The Army new all about this mad man. Due to political correctness they did as you mentioned. Sent him on to the next post.
This is all about political correctness and look what happens.
Hope he dies slowly.
Kinda reminds you of the Catholic church’s solution to the child-molesting priest problem, doesn’t it? Don’t deal with it…just move it along somewhere else.
“Breakdown in the army chain of command” is right. I wouldn’t for a moment defend this assassin but the military needs to get its head out of the sand.
Larry, good post as usual. The Army knew all about this mad man. Due to political correctness they did as you mentioned. Sent him on to the next post.
This is all about political correctness and look what happens.
Hope he dies slowly.
NEWS:
USArmy
A moment of silence is planned for 1:34 PM CT - please join us in remembering those who lost their lives.
Larry, could you add this news as an *update* to your post?
12 hours ago there were several shooters, now this one guy killed or injured 50 people ON A MILITARY BASE?
Seems like there are unanswered questions. Maybe Larry should hold off on his “lynch em” tough-guy BS.
“If murder and mayhem was a simple consequence of being muslim then we would see horrific, horrendus attacks every day.”
Uh, we do see these horrendous attacks every day, you clown.
yeah, by students, and serial murders, onlookers and bystanders, we see horrible acts everyday in this country. Where do you get the lynch em tough guy? This murderer will be handled by the military justice system. Seems you are the one full of B.S., trying to stir up crap. Tell you what, I dare you to go to Ft Hood, and repeat this same B.S. slap the hornets nest line you are pushing. You are the clown, flashing us a full frontal BOZO!
“Why don’t you go to Ft. Hood and say that stuff”
Yeah, I’m sure the victims families have no interest in knowing the facts.
Why don’t you go back to your frat house with cro-magnon comments like that.
According to my son, and daughter both serving active Army, and my nephew, at Fort Hood, I’ll go ahead and believe what they have to say. And, please try for a little more originality,in your attempts to belittle me. I am very familiar with someone who has far more talent at it than you do. C’mon, don’t copy, get creative!
you don’t need me to belittle you. also, i’m sorry you’ve heard that one before! there must be some truth to it.
Come on Joe. Chill!
Go away, Joe.
“full frontal BOZO”
:lol: 
That about sums it up
Yes, we certainly do! And it seems to have become so normal that a poster on this blog (Portia Elizabeth) even gives suggestions that a department store Santa might shoot up a mall. These kind of comments are sick, sick, sick and definitely smack of bias/racism. You know, it’s ok for Santa to attack a group of kids but it’s not ok for a Muslim soldier to shoot up Fort Hood.
Please tell us you’re not serious.
hey joe take your crax and put it where the sun doesn’t shine.
I’m seeing red that these cowardly trolls dare to make comments here today!
This country is raw and hurting, and this coward wants to point fingers away from the perpetrator of this disgrace to humanity!
“Allah Akbar” news report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqWn2WN_HjM
Wolf Blitzer (of Balloon Boy fame) needs to interview this man from Utah to get the truth out of him because his story sounds real fishy.
I agree about unanswered questions. WTH happened when one person could kill that many people in front of trained military. This seems like the mistake where the SWAT teams and Va Tech (where Hasan is from) allowed a killer to walk around for hours while they did nothing. Or when we had homicidal airplanes in the sky for hours and no one did anything 8 years ago. I don’t get it. I work with the police and I can’t imagine this kind of thing happening with people who are trained in weapons. I just don’t get it. I need more info.
Heather, how dare you not jump to conclusions and join the lynch mob! Everyone knows that the mob mentality works wonders for thinking rationally!
Joe, Let’s explain to you what the area resembles so that you can try to “understand”. First of all, soldiers do not go around on base with weapons. It isn’t allowed. So while he started shooting, there wasn’t anyone there who could fire back. That makes him a coward, plain and simple. Quit resorting back to your youth and the “little army men” that you might have played with.
Second, this area would be relatively small with cubicles, different stations as soldiers in process, or out process. I think in this case they were in processing. It would have been a smaller area than Columbine High School and we saw what carnage that caused. This shooter also had a semi auto hand gun in one hand and a hand gun in another. It was also told that when he came in, he stood up on a table and then proceeding shooting, basically having an advantage by looking down on his victims. Of course, being the coward that he was, he shot a few in the back as well.
He knew they would be unharmed. He’s been around bases long enough to know that. There will be more coming out, I’m sure. There are plenty reports out there, but like Larry, I will say this was not PSTD. It was murder and I will go out on a limb and say jihad. I read a lot of mil blogs and there are some issues with him not getting along with his patients because he didn’t support the war and couldn’t build a rapport with his patients, especially those who supported the war. There are also reports out there that he supposedly tried to convert some of those patients to Islam, which is what SUPPOSEDLY gave him a bad evaluation and why he couldn’t relate to his patients. Why they didn’t get rid of him, that is what makes me mad.
Oh and Joe, you pick on Katmoon, you pick on us all. Go ahead, report me, I think the president is a POS.
ArmyMom-Thank you.
I really want to know what was going on here. Nothing like taking advantage if this is true, with soldiers in hospital. Mindblowing.
I have the same experience you do ArmyMom, with in and out processing, and to my knowledge the very few soldiers that carry weapons are either going to range practice, or maybe MP’s on a call, sometimes for high level escort, my son is an MP.
Joe has many names, and I believe what I was treated to was a full blown temper tantrum from a poster who changes names between about three different ones. The rhetoric is familiar as is the usage of the caps, and repetition of expressions that normally come from Ferd, my husband. Plus, I was using some blue language myself. Soldiers are my weak spot; one I will gladly keep soft and risk whatever I need to.
There were some reports within the last hour, of those murdered, one of the soldiers had just returned from Iraq 3 days ago, and one of the soldiers was pregnant. There was a post up thread for contact number and address for donations to Ft Hood Families, I will re-post once I find it again.
hey joe you don’t know one daxx thing about rational thinking, so shut the xxxx up.
Heather — to me it seems it was probably the same sort of astonishment that would’ve occured if a dept. store Santa suddenly started shooting up a mall. No sane person would expect such a thing to happen. Those soldiers probably were taken completely by surprise when the one least likely to “snap” suddenly did so. They never saw it coming. Just my opinion.
Circumstances often dictate expectations.
This seems to have been a health care facility and this guy was a doctor. No one would have the same defenses up as you would walking down a dark alley.
I think it’s a matter of being blind-sided. Stateside military bases aren’t armed camps. Their general populations don’t walk around armed and at the ready every moment. People have their daily routines, just like anywhere else, and those don’t include an expectation of sudden irrational violence, anymore than those of the teachers and students at Virginia Tech did.
They said on the news that they only carry weapons while doing exercises. The soldiers are not armed while on the base.
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2009/11/06/ft-hood-suspect-shouted-allahu-akbar-before-killing-12/
cs reports that Major Hasan “took a lot of extra weapons classes”, perhaps this is part of why the casualty toll is so high.
You know I agree with the notion of not jumping to conclusion. But it’s amazing how short the memories of the pople in the country are.
I”m sorry but Obama doesn’t learn from his experiences, he has never truly apologize to his statements toward Officer Crowly. And yet all of a sudden he’s handing out wisdom about we are supposed to not rush to judgment?
And do you re member when that guy shot up the Holocost musaum it didn’t take 5 minutes for MSM to began to condemn talk radio and right wing extremist. And when a Live Birth Abortion doctor was was schot it was immeidately deamed Bill ORiely’s fault because he did a report on how this fool was aborting featuses wthat were viable (this isn ot a prolife/choice cause personally don’t care iether way_ Yet when a person who starts a shooting spee screaming Allah Akbar, and who is being proven to have been a Jhihadist by his blog postings and attitude , suddenly we are suddenly told we shouldn’judment.?
I don’t have a problem being fair to other people, i try to to be as sympathetic to every one as I can. and i have no problem empathizing even with those that commit crimes (though it doesn’t affect my thinking people need to go to prision and serve hard time for what that they do. However, it is the rank hypocrasy of the media who don’t give damn about jumping to conclusions especially when it involves Obama’s political opponents you racist tea baggers, hatemongers and it also shows Obama skewed way of thinking, and I will not take anytype of condescending, matra of, wait you know the facts from a bunch ,of vicious fools, toward their new pet minority group. MSM, Obama, and his Minions have no moral athority to lecture me about not rushing to judgement. It’s the equivalent of a skin head trying to tell my black ass that I shouldn’t rush to judgment about the local klan burning a cross in my yard that might not be all the facts. ANd no matte what they discover I know this man has a right to do process under the law, and he is innocent until proven guilty, because it I have principles that tell me that is the right thing, unlike the vast majority of hypocrits feigning it. ANd just to be spiteful should and bitchy let me say that this is Obama’s fault. This poor soul, did not want to fight his muslim brotheren, and believe Obama did with draw from Iraq like he promised this poor man was conflicted and thus he spiraled down to a mentally embalanced jihadist. How about them apples… bots aren’t the only one who make insulting delusional claim. Only difference is I know my theory is a load of bull.
Well yes, any time an organization cannot freely hire and fire there will be problems. Toss in some political correctness and you have a mess. Can I fire this angry Muslim? Maybe I just dont understand his worldview? Hmm, I think I will just promote him out of my way, that way I wont be sued or look intolerant.
On Earth violence doesnt only stem from Muslims, but Islam a religion that is full of violence and requires complete submission. Islam in fact means submission.
Murder and mayhem do follow Islam around. We do see horrendous attacks all the time. Its why my family left my country and came here. Maybe its why Nidal’s family did too.
A disturbed person who looked to Islam for guidance might instead find a path to violence, more than if the person looked to say, Zoroastrianism.
That is absolutely correct.
If these PC leftists squint really hard and imagine these people are Christians, they might find the courage to speak honestly about this delusional faith.
the army isn’t exactly filled with leftists, you clown.
And you head isn’t exactly filled with brain cells. I wasn’t talking about the Army, I was talking about PC American citizens.
Joe — David Koresh was supposedly a Christian, and I think so was Jim Jones.
Koresh believed he was a prophet of God and ran a subschool of a disfellowshipped part of The Seventh Day Adventist Church.
Jim Jones was part of the People’s Temple and a communist.
Neither is really a good example of “Christian”. Not that Christians are exempt from bad behaviour.
I just worry that you are making Joe’s point for him and that more CAPS may ensue.
Koresh and Jones may have killed their own followers, but Jones didn’t walk into a school and start handing out kool aid to innocent children and teachers. They were more cultish than established radical religious regimes like Saudi Arabia, Syria and Iran.
The problem by making this about a “crazy” individual is that it ignores the nature of a muslim act of violence. For example, using Nidal as an example, all terrorist acts are now the result of batshit crazy individuals. Seems logical enough, but what it does is completely downplay the role of Islam and violence as religious expression, conviction and action. It completely ignores the roles and responsibility of radical Islam.
Amen. (and great moniker)
Children are always innocent!
http://news.in.msn.com/crimefile/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3342615
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/05/crimesider/entry5215646.shtml
http://proggiemuslima.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/pa-12-year-old-rapist-roamed-school-halls-molesting-6-year-old-kids/
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14635513/detail.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/9-year-old-boy-booked-for-rape/articleshow/4908296.cms
No, they aren’t
Looks like you’re itching for a controversy. I stand by my statement.
animal control, not trying to start something with you here: my sister was one of several little girls assaulted by a boy in school whom the authorities refused to punish because he was from another country.
We were told we had to “understand” that molesting little girls was supposedly the norm where he came from. Plz disregard knee jerk reaction.
But you are so wrong it’s not even funny.
Portia, my point is that our society has raked through Christianity with the total fervor of “critical theory” to the point where every good secular American can recite any hypocrisy, inconsistency, or recording of violence in the Bible. At the same time, we are not allowed to openly discuss Islam without people reflexively closing their minds to the criticism and calling you a xenophobe.
Here is the question I ask my Muslim friends who try to explain jihad to me, while telling me that it’s not really what Islam is all about. My question is this.. “God said “Thou shalt not kill”, so isn’t jihad, which is killing in the name of God, blasphemy?” They never have an answer. Neither do the Christians I ask a similar question of, why would God be “on the side” of people doing what he specifically commanded that we not do?? Killing in the name of God is blasphemy, no matter who does it, because God said, “Thou shalt NOT kill.” (emphasis mine, I think)
look up, stupid, your post is attached to one about people feeling constrained to not fire people due to pc-ism; his employer is the army.
yeah and everyone knows that the Army is not pressured by leftist PC moral relativism that is rampant in the US.
i know you think its “stupid” to talk about cultural trends and norms in our society and how they might leak into the military, but also consider that maybe your pea brain cannot process complex thoughts.
Go away Joe times ten.
joe, shut up! you are embarrassing yourself.
Katmoon, In America, we don’t convict people on blogs. I know that’s hard to hear for you and Larry and other self-important douches.
There are quite a few assumptions in this blog: he wasn’t in a cell, he acted alone, he needs to be killed.
The one thing Larry knows for sure is that we need to forget the fact that he’s Muslim immediately.
Whatever we do, we can’t talk about the insane “prophet” marauder pirate murderer that these nutbars worship. Mohammad (endless torment be upon him) was a terrorist himself. He wrote the Koran making up the rules as he went along, killing and raping 8 year old girls and raiding cities with his thug armies. If you think this is BS, you are ignorant about the history of the “religion of peace”.
It’s too bad you aren’t standing in front of me, I would oblige by slapping your face off, you punk, sexist fuck. Yet, then again, you think this blog is about something it isn’t. My focus, is on the soldiers, and you want to give instruction on what you consider to be religion?
I could give a shit. All I care about are the soldiers, right now, not the relgious “implications”, political whoring or anything else.
Just curious, do you change names, on the hour?(FF, Pobot)?
LMAO!
There you go! React violently! ALLAH AKBAR!!!
Thats right folks, if you disagree with Larry or his minions you are AUTOMATICALLY a “sexist”.
You are INSANE!!!
And who wants to bet this same person reflexively foams at the mouth with Obamatons call her/him a RACIST!
Yawn.
what part of the word “douches” isn’t sexist?
ok fine, Dick Cheese.
Is that better? I know you are very sensitive.
Joe — you don’t post here often enough to know the people here. Why you would immediately engage in insults and name-calling to make your point is really a mystery. It’s not necessary and it only makes your argument look weaker in comparison. If you want to persuade someone to consider your viewpoints, you should try to refrain from ad hominem attacks as a first option. IMHO
Portia, point taken. Just FYI at first I only used the term “clown” and was immediately threatened with e-violence. And I might not be an insider like you, but I’ve read enough posts on this blog to know that your ad hominem lecture reeks of feigned outrage.
Ahh..Joe-you and I are in the same club. Some (not all)even e-convict Hillary supporters like myself. You are not alone. No reading comprhension required or thought process required on their part.
Anyway, I thought Larry’s analysis was good. I don’t think he was aksing us to forget Nidal was a Muslim. He was giving his thought as to whether or not he thinks Nidal was part of Terrorist cell. He may be right or wrong.
I come to this blog because I like to read Larry’s points on things and also because he was such a strong Hillary supporter.
If I sounded as if I were lecturing, it was not my intention. Being a newbie here can be daunting if one doesn’t know the personalities attached to the nics. I was trying to explain that your efforts here would be given more credence if they weren’t peppered with personal attacks. I don’t pretend that I am innocent of resorting to such insults when frustrated, but it isn’t the best way to begin a discussion. I’ve found that most of the intelligentsia here will give an opposing opinion more consideration if it’s presented in a cogent manner. Conversely, an opinion which at its outset assumes any disagreement is due to some defect will automatically elicit a strong response.
I hate to disappoint you in your perception of me, but I reserve my outrage for things I find outrageous. Petulance doesn’t fall under that category. “Feigned outrage” doesn’t even enter into my thought processes.
Oh, go ahead and lecture, Portia.
I have no patience for anyone who starts off calling anyone else names. You are one of the reasons this place stays civil.
Thank you.
Ellen D — thank you for the compliment. It means alot coming from someone whose posts I always enjoy reading. I had to laugh, though, because I’ve butted heads here a few times and called up some the colorful phrases my father learned in the navy.
Its Allahu Akbar.
Allah gets a “u” added in the nominative, just because.
joe, bite yourself.
“I could give a shit. All I care about are the soldiers, right now, not the relgious “implications”, political whoring or anything else.”
Just to remind the emotionally-charged simpletons that the post we are commenting on is titled “Jihadist Wannabe”.
And also, I object to the term “political whoring” as sexist.
LOL, clowns.
Excellent post, thank you.
Fort Dix, Fort Hood … More to follow?
From the “Happening Now” blog at Fox News:
galt :), I have missed your popcorn.
Thank you for this information I will pass it on.
Hey Katmoon,
Nice to see you commenting.
I still have my antimatter powered popcorn machine.
Your welcome. I hope they can raise some funds for the victims and their families.
Afternoon, Galt. It’s been a while and I was wondering about you. Do stop by when I’m around.
Ferd.
Hey Ferd!
Happy to see you are still emasculating the cyborgs on both extreme sides of the ideological fence.
Galt,
I, too, am glad to see you’re back.
Hey thanks!
So glad to see you back Galt, hope all is well.
Thanks!
Shame on anyone on who is politicizing this tragedy.
How is the WH going to spin this? They must be frantic - another brave WHITE COP saved the day! Responding to the call, SHE charged the building, taking a bullet while pumping 4 into the jihadist nutjob.
Sgt. Kimberly Munley, American Hero!
And they wont let women in combat positions in our armed forces.
Not to mention their preference for throwing out Lesbians!
Another casualty in this tragedy is likely to be the willingness of our military and their families to reach out and access mental health help and support when they do need that help. I think I am fairly rational but after hearing more and more about this man, his background, the apparent huge warning signs about his professional performance and then what happened, I think it would give me pause to consider using military mental health services or recommend it to others. What is so sad about this is that it has been difficult to get our service men and women to be open to such services. In Iraq and Afghan there has been a sense of more acceptability—that such help is a good thing.
IMHO I think it would be a mistake to call for this nut cases instant execution. He needs to be studied in order to find out what set him off and why. Dead, he’s no use to anyone and hopefully something can be learned that will help prevent more incidents like this. Besides, revenge executions never bring back the victims.
They used to pickle their brain and keep it in a jar to study. OK with me.
Over at DaygloCheetos.com it’s all about “blame America first”, here it’s blame Nidal first, all the while Islam as a violent religion gets a free pass from both sides.
When are we going to wake up and realize that just because some muslims aren’t bat shit crazy that it doesn’t mean Islam is some happy fuzzy religion.
Over at DaygloCheetos.com it’s all about “blame America first”,
Have they started blaming Israel or Mossad yet?
I agree that if you want to find a group of angry, crazy males who dont like “the west”, looking in an Islamic center or mosque isn’t a bad place to start the search. Just follow the beards, bathrobes and burkas, ladies to the left and down the stairs, please, and only on Fridays.
Doesn’t mean all muslims are bad or follow their religion to the letter (I was born one and I love a good Merlot, among MANY other transgressions). But to deny a correlation is dishonest.
There is a report of 8 shootings in Orlando, just now breaking news.
You think this could be a copycat? Would not surprise me if it indeed was.
This is at an office building at Legions Place; that’s all I have heard so far.
FOX says 4 are trauma patients
they are evacuating
2 of the 8 are reported dead
Still trying to locate the shooter on this one. People still inside the building. Another nightmare.
Jason Rodriguez, former employee, @ 1 yr ago is suspect
shooting victims all from Reynolds, Smith, and Hill, former place of work
apprehended
I feel compelled to make an observation, even though it’s so obvious it should go without saying: While Muslims are not the problem, Muslim culture obviously has a unique problem that they’re not effectively dealing with.
It’s that whole martyr-for-the-faith mythology, and how it can so easily play into the suicidal and homicidal impulses of the seriously mentally ill and alienated.
Thank you for this very well balanced and written post.
Mr. Johnson , thanks for the update.
the ripple of this will have lasting effects.
Good questions Larry as to where the breakdown was with respect as to why the military didn’t discharge Nidal.
What a terrible day for the victim’s families.
There were a HELL of a lot of red flags about Hasan; it’s a tragedy he passed right under the radar of a lot of people who should have seen those red flags.
And, how ’bout OBAMA’S BLASE ATTITUDE in his public words about it, eh? He was completely absorbed with himself, as usual, and brazenly detached about what happened. When will the Cheeto-Kids notice all those red flags flying over our Narcissist-in-Chief?
I concur with Michelle Malkin on this one; a little racial/religious/ethnic/psychological profiling please. It’s absurd that we throw people out for being gay; but we let people in who are religious jihadists, both Muslim and Christian.
Moreover, we’re recruiting people from other countries, people with felony convictions, people who repeatedly exhibit signs of psychological instability and people who exhibit signs of religious and political extremism.
We were attacked in Oklahoma City by a political jihadist; we were attacked at Fort Hood by a religious jihadist. And, he isn’t the first one either. Frankly, anyone who converts to Islam, and publicly rejects the military’s mission in Iraq or Afghanistan has no place in the military and bears watching. Being politically incorrect is a risk we should be willing to bear if we’re talking about the security of our country.
Muslim Soldiers With Attitude.
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/06/the-massacre-at-fort-hood-and-muslim-soldiers-with-attitude/
http: //www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html
Even his most friendly of media admirers are coming to realize what an amateur this guy is.
And frankly, the more he screws up, the faster his polling numbers drop. This also keeps the conservative base alive and active and hungry for the next battle.
This man who was born American Chose to be a muslim “His Right to practice his freedom of Religion in America.
This Muslim man chose to enter into the Military and recieve a wonderful free Education and a weekly pay check from Americn Tax payers dollars.
This Muslim man chose to use his freedoms and American rights to impose his religious views and murder 13 innocent Americans who were serving already with there lives so he could practice his freedoms.
This Mulsim man never saw a day of battle or was ever deployed.He was about to be deployed and decided he did not want to serve this country or defend but rather he wanted to die a hero (coward) to his Muslim faith as a jihadest.
If action speaks louder then words then this is my opinion of what happened.
Political correctness probably promoting him to a Major or cornel after already knowing that the man had conflicts because of his religion was under investigation and had been recieving treatment.
Why because we do not dare racial profile in America it is just not the thing to do.
This Muslim man was given the responsibility of our young troops as a psychiatrist.I would think the last thing a soldier wanted to hear was this Mulsim mans cleary in conflict arguing with fellow officers about the war when when fellow officers (soldiers) are being readied physically and mentally to go fight and kill in Irag or Afgahnistan.How could our goverment and military force a creep like this knowingly having problems on our young men,who are mentally engaged to fight the enemy.Men our soldiers who for all we know must be taught to hate to kill.How can anyone be taught to kill without knowing the evils of the enemy or being taught to hate excuse me I mean honor.I would rather beleive our troops our taught to love there brothers in service and protect.And in fear of their brothers lifes they kill or be killed.
Some of the Fort Hood soldiers who were killed(murdered)had just gotten there the day before stressing out about being deployed.
The news finds excusess for this murderer that he was being harrassed for his religion.Yet one of this Muslim mans own ever shot at him.Nor was he murdered.
If it is true that he was praisng Allah before he killed 13 men and woman and wounded 30.Then the reading is on the wall he was a terrorist!Whom was given a grand and warm acceptance by Fort Hood and promoted after bad behavior by politcal correctness just because he was a Muslim.Is that the same reason why middle eastern religions were the main participants in our religous ceremonies after 9/11 for our 3,000 dead.Particullary the memorial service in our churches as well as the New York Stadium?
We had it right as bad as it may sound not to involve the Japanese in our military fight in Pearl Harbor it was harsh it was unfortunate to Japanese Americans,But it protected the American people.Same with the Italians who were not allowed to serve in World war I know My Stepfather was an Italian American citizen called an enemey of the state not allowed to serve.
How in the world did this guy with his beliefs and conflict to The American Way be put in charge of the mental health of our Youth going to war.This is just wrong and I am angry at the way our country is going to hell trying to be one with countries who do not want us!!!Or trying to treat minorities with rights that every day Americans do not get.If you are white in this country you are an immeidate racist and thi s political correctness insists on blaming the white guy everytime a person of color even an American Citizen from birth behaves badly is because he is not white.
And let me say one more thing are we not in the midst of tearing down Christian cross from our military cemetary that fellow soliders put up for thier Memorial but lets give the Muslim faith more rights religiously then the founding faith of our Fathers.
This subject of what happened at Fort Hood has many many deep ways to look at what happened.I could go on but I have said enough i am disgusted with out goverment as it is today because it does not serve American interests anymore as we knew it.
I want to add one more thought to my previous post.I have observed myself Blacks and Hispanics treat people of middle eastern heritage or people of color like worse then dogs.black woman who cry the loudest bout race in this country wil belittle a cashier because of the color of her skin.And cry racist to Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson who are more then willing to serve the great almighty dollar made over race in this country.
And that is another thought The poverty in this country is a money maker to the rich especially the Democrats whom I am proud to say have left the party to be independent!
WTF!!!!!!!! What have Hispanics and Blacks have to do with any of this, Pat? As an Hispanic who was once married to a Muslim, I find your post offensive. Quite frankly, whenever a tragedy like this happens, Hispanics are harassed because some in the wider population confuse them as being Middle Eastern. Members of my family (all Hispanics) have been spat upon and cussed out in public as a result of the Iranian hostage crisis and 9/11. Your comments say more about you than they do about those you gratuitously attack.
And so does your post say more about you as you complain of racial attacks on your family.And I might add you sound very unhappy about it.
Why can you bark up the same tree and some how say you are innocent of racism when you clearly describe my criticism as racism.
I personally who watched blacks attack a philippino woman cashier on another occasion same store watched these woman attack a middle eastern woman in full middle eastern dress.
To explain my comment further which I did not do before is that I would think that blacks who cry the loudest about being treated with racism would not be racist themselves.
As far as Muslim I feel that the ideology of their religion has some problems that makes violence against innocent people and racially profiling is not a bad thing when in corealation to the act.Not to say that all religions can act violently upon theer beleifs.
To say you are married to one is like saying my best friend is black it also shows racial tones.
Would it help you from being offended if I excused my post by admitted dating a black person in my lifetime.
Does that show a form of acceptance rather then to say you are in love with your Husband.
Pat, apparently, the irony of your inflammatory and biased comments about “Hispanics and Blacks” escapes you. Larry Johnson presented a thoughtful and qualified argument for not indicting entire groups or religions based on the bad actions of a few. Yet out of nowhere you bring up “Hispanics and Blacks” and attack them wholesale. When you are called on it, your only response is, “You’re a racist!” I suggest you re-read Larry’s post…perhaps you’ll learn something.
BTW, I was referring to my former husband who is Muslim and who would also call you on your gratuitous attacks of certain groups.
Trixta, it is rampant here today.
Yes, unfortunately, Katmoon.
Middle easterns are not treated any worse than asians (Indians, chinese, srilankans etc.). But how many Budhists do you know that have shot people shouting “Buddha is peachy” or something of that nature?
Let me be more clear on my statement I guess what I meant to say is that America has excused actions of minorities for fear of being called racist which started with racism against blacks.Yet we cowar against minorites the minorites we think we protect from racism are the racist themselves.And yet the real racists who put a black President in office who cant do the job.The young and the blacks who did not go out and vote the polls the most current election did not show up.They seem to only care to vote when it concerns color.
Great week. First we have the young woman run over by her father in another “honor killing.” And now we have the Jihadist Wannabe. Of course we can’t blame all the muslims on the planet for all the dead this week. But, perhaps Islam needs a real psychiatrist. A whole lotta therapy. Honor killings. Suicide bombers. Going after novelists (Rushdie) and cartoonists because you are criticized. Isn’t it time for those millions of muslims all over the world to rise up and denounce this deadly behavior … in the name of Allah? Meanwhile, as we sit and stare in disbelief at our t.v. sets, more converts are made in our prisons … and our President finds new ways to “apologize” for our country. This bastard wasn’t “just one,” … he is “one more.” Looks like our tomorrows will be loaded with a steady stream of “one mores.”
Great Post couldnt agree more I do not think it is racist as some earlier in posts bots I call them or plain morons.Excuse people of color like we are supposed to be sorry for this creep who took innocent life into his own hands in the name of Allah.
And I will swear I am not racist and I believe there are good Muslims and you can not judge by one person.But I beleive as a Christian you can judge your brother in the faith and if it does not add up then his fath is for nought.And not of God!
Great Post couldnt agree more I do not think it is racist as some earlier in posts bots I call them or plain morons.Excuse people of color like we are supposed to be sorry for this creep who took innocent life into his own hands in the name of Allah.
And I will swear I am not racist and I believe there are good Muslims and you can not judge by one person.But I beleive as a Christian you can judge your brother in the faith and if it does not add up then his faith is for nought.And not of God!
Mandelay said:
“Of course we can’t blame all the muslims on the planet for all the dead this week. But, perhaps Islam needs a real psychiatrist. A whole lotta therapy. Honor killings. Suicide bombers. Going after novelists (Rushdie) and cartoonists because you are criticized. Isn’t it time for those millions of muslims all over the world to rise up and denounce this deadly behavior … in the name of Allah?”
Yes, on all counts. I’m still waiting for “moderate” Muslims en masse to repudiate this on-going violence. If they’re speaking up, their voices are soft at best.
ABC News is making excuses for poor, widdle Hasan.
I guess he got his feelings hurt being called bad bad names. Waaaaaaah!
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/nadal-malik-hasan-wanted-army-family/story?id=9008184
I don’t feel sorry for this Islamic asshole, and the fact that a major News organization is looking for “excuses” to give him a pass on murder, makes me crazy.
In fact, I feel so “crazy” right now that maybe I should grab some guns and head out to ABC headquarters. I’m angry, and I’ve had my intelligence insulted by their story. I’m nuts, so I guess my actions would be justified.
See how this works, you idiots in the MSM?
Ralph Peters: Fort Hood’s 9/11
That article is right on the money. Thanks for posting it.
Obama’s PC administration will probably call the shootings a “man-caused disaster” instead of the terrorist attack it really was.
If murder and mayhem was a simple consequence of being muslim then we would see horrific, horrendus attacks every day.
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Really Larry? There are abuses reaped on the Woman and children of Islam each and every minute
They are stoning an adulterer in Somalia today. His pregnant girlfriend will be stoned after her child is born. Shockingly they are not Baptists.
@ gonzotx - good point.
I guess if you boil it down to the facts the man was in conflict with his religion and the military service to America,which in turn he interpereted his religion with violence in honor killing a real jihadest view.This is in my opinion an extremest view of Muslim faith and I do not attack all Muslims on thier faith as all faiths can have extemeist views.But when they the religious views become militant we should not accept it in America or anywhere else.It is not wrong to profile the views that clearly had already been established in red flags big tine bofore innocent people taking military base for granted to be safe as all Americans take for granted they are safe,from extemists that the goverment does not take seriously.
Bottom Line: When you ENLIST in the United States Army and ARE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN - you are either FOR US or AGAINST US; a solider CANNOT ‘pick and choose’ who he wants to do combat with. This murdering jerk had been a solider for 17 YEARS, rec’d a FINE education, a GREAT career with super retirement benefits - paid for by American tax dollars, but once he realized he HAD to go overseas and possibly fight against his OWN FELLOW BELIEVERS, he went berserk! He, instead, CHOSE to kill Americans (assuming they were Christians/Jews, even athiests - ANYBODY as long as they WERE NOT MUSLIMS!!)
I spoke to an old Hunagarin man last week who told me that when the communists came into his country they did not come in as communists.He explained that first they ask you for your car and when you say no They continue to ask until they get your car.Then as he said they ask finally for your home and your land and when you say no they continue to ask till they find a way to get your home and your land and he said finally they came in as Socialists when they invaded his country.
It’s always difficult to listen to someone’s story from another country and find a correlation with your situation.
I went to college with a beautiful Hungarian girl and I was shocked to find her a raging anti-Semite. She said it was because, during WW2, the Jews welcomed the Russians when they came to liberate the country from the Nazis.
I’m not Jewish, but it seemed to me that if I were, and lived in a Nazi-occupied country during WW2, I might be inclined to be happier seeing ANYONE other than Nazis coming in.
Especially when you are trying to be politically correct or when political correctness has some kind of artificially inflated value. Or, when people assume a Muslim psychiatrist is better suited than a Christian, Jewish or atheist psychiatrist when dealing with Iraqi deployed soldiers. I have to wonder how much of the oversight was due to his inherent p.c. value as opposed to his clinical ability.
This is a time for All Americans to honor the dead! Forget the retoric!
rectorate
rectoric
Keep trying Steve 1. Better yet, buy a dictionary.
I believe you mean rhetoric.
this is a political blog where people make political commentary.
I have put the President on ignore regarding our military;and I believe I was responding to Elizabeth yesterday that I hadn’t considered even wondering what his take on this was. I think because we are a military family, and we network amongst ourselves first; take care of our own, then pay attention to what else is going on. More than likely I need to make an effort to see beyond the Army family, but admit, this colors my interpretation and impression of what is unfolding.
I wish you and your family all the best, Katmoon.
Thank you Ellen.
I know that the Army family is as diverse as all of America, but is there any trend in what Army people think of Obama as C-i-C?
Katmoon: I would wager that no one who posts regularly on NQ would want to go through what we experienced when JFK was assassinated. Doubly so with this POTUS. The worst scenario ever imagined with the race riots that would surely follow and turning the incompetent CIC into a martyr and historical hero. To muddy the real situation is not what any one wants.
No one should be killed because of disagreements over politics. What a travesty that is. That’s what the vote is all about. And even if we feel he stole the election, now we know how to combat that and it isn’t by violence. It’s going to happen by outsmarting them.
I should add that this is in support of your comments to the mentally deficient poster you were responding to.
Annie, thanks, I understand what you are saying. I was over the top a bit myself, with the blue language, etc. I agree with you 100%, there is so much crime and violence now, it is impossible to sort out the “why:(driving motive) about it quickly. Neither past nor present administration had my vote, but I agree with Larry to keep our powder dry while the forces that be sort out the details of what happened.
Thank you for making the point that this nut-job was not a jihadist. Lord knows we have enough on our collective plates to worry about without having another hasty generalization turned into government policy or witch-hunt. Nidal is despicable and the military I’m sure will mete out swift and just punishment for this miscreant.
I found it interesting to hear that BO said in remarks today, he would “caution everyone not to jump to conclusions” before the investigation is complete.
Now, if memory serves me, is this not exactly what he did in the Beer-Gate situation? Does this mean he’s now preaching what he, himself, never practiced?
He’s a hypocrite, a word among many other pejorative terms that may be used to describe him.
FORT HOOD SHOOTING VICTIMS
The following is a list of the victims in Thursday’s Fort Hood shooting rampage that left 13 dead and 30 wounded. The list is compiled from various news reports around the country. Authorities have not released any names of the victims as of noon Friday.
Killed
Michael Grant Cahill, 62, of Spokane, Wash., was a physician’s assistant who was working on the post as a contracted civilian
Reservist John Gaffaney, 56, of Sierra Messa, Calif.
Spc. Jason Dean Hunt, 22, of Tipton, Okla.
Sgt. Amy Krueger, 29, of Kiel, Wis.
Aaron Thomas Nemelka, 19, of West Jordan, Utah, was killed.
PFC Michael Pearson, 21, of Bolingbrook, Ill.
Russell Seager, 51, of Racine, Wis.
Francheska Velez, 21, of Chicago. She was pregnant.
Spc. Kham Xiong, 23, of St. Paul, Minn.
Wounded
Chief Warrant Officer Chris Birmingham of Eclectic, Ala., was shot three times.
Amber Bahr, 19, of Random Lake, Wis., was shot in the stomach.
Keara Bono Torkelson, 21, of Ostego, Mo., was shot in the back left shoulder.
Alan Carroll, 20, of Bridgewater, N.J., was shot three times.
U.S. Army Reserve Social Worker Dorothy “Dorrie” Carskadon of Rockford, Ill., was critically injured.
Staff Sgt. Joy Clark, 27, of Des Moines suffered a gunshot wound
Spc. Matthew Cook, 30, of Binghamton, N.Y., was shot in the abdomen
Staff Sgt. Chad Davis of Eufaula, Ala., was wounded.
Pvt. Joey Foster, 21, of Ogden, Utah, was shot in the hip
Nathan Hewitt of West Lafayette, Ind.
Justin Johnson, 21, of Punta Gorda, Fla., was shot in the chest and leg.
Staff. Sgt. Alonzo Lunsford, of Richmond County, N.C., was shot multiple times.
Army 2nd Lt. Brandy Mason, of Monessen, was wounded.
Reserve Spc. Grant Moxon, 23, of Lodi, Wis., was shot in the leg.
Sgt. Kimberly Munley, 34, of Killeen is the Fort Hood civilian police officer who was shot multiple times by the suspect.
Maj. Randy Royer of Dothan, Ala., was shot.
Pvt. Raymondo “Ray” Saucedo, 26, of Greenville, Mich., had a bullet graze his arm.
George Stratton III, 18, of Post Falls, Idaho, was shot in the shoulder.
FROM:
http://www.mysanantonio.com
With regard to your list of victims, I heard on one of the evening Fox programs tha 51 year old Richard Seager was a nurse practitioner who joined the Army 4 years ago.
Thank you for adding that information to the
thread,Clara.
I am sure we will find out more about these poor
victims in the days ahead.
Here is more detailed information:
Fort victims had different reasons for enlisting
By CARYN ROUSSEAU and ROBERT IMRIE,
Associated Press Writers
Nov. 6, 2009
The 13 people killed when an Army psychiatrist allegedly opened fire on fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, Texas, included a pregnant woman who was preparing to return home, a man who quit a furniture company job to join the military about a year ago, a newlywed who had served in Iraq and a woman who had vowed to take on Osama bin Laden after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Here is a look at some of the victims.
Francheska Velez
Velez, 21, of Chicago, was pregnant and preparing to return home. A friend of Velez’s, Sasha Ramos, described her as a fun-loving person who wrote poetry and loved dancing.
“She was like my sister,” Ramos, 21, said. “She was the most fun and happy person you could know. She never did anything wrong to anybody.”
Family members said Velez had recently returned from deployment in Iraq and had sought a lifelong career in the Army.
“She was a very happy girl and sweet,” said her father, Juan Guillermo Velez, his eyes red from crying. “She had the spirit of a child.”
Ramos, who also served briefly in the military, couldn’t reconcile that her friend was killed in this country — just after leaving a war zone.
“It makes it a lot harder,” she said. “This is not something a soldier expects — to have someone in our uniform go start shooting at us.”
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Capt. John Gaffaney
Gaffaney, 56, was a psychiatric nurse who worked for San Diego County, Calif., for more than 20 years and had arrived at Fort Hood the day before the shooting to prepare for a deployment to Iraq.
Gaffaney, who was born in Williston, N.D., had served in the Navy and later the California National Guard as a younger man, his family said. After the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, he tried to sign up again for military service. Although the Army Reserves at first declined, he got the call about two years ago asking him to rejoin, said his close friend and co-worker Stephanie Powell.
“He wanted to help the boys in Iraq and Afghanistan deal with the trauma of what they were seeing,” Powell said. “He was an honorable man. He just wanted to serve in any way he can.”
His family described him as an avid baseball card collector and fan of the San Diego Padres who liked to read military novels and ride his Harley-Davidson motorcycle.
Gaffaney supervised a team of six social workers, including Powell, at the county’s Adult Protective Services department. Ellen Schmeding, assistant deputy director for the county’s Health and Human Services Agency, said Gaffaney was a strong leader.
He is survived by a wife and a son.
Pfc. Aaron Thomas Nemelka
Nemelka, 19, of the Salt Lake City suburb of West Jordan, Utah, chose to join the Army instead of going on a mission for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, his uncle Christopher Nemelka said.
“As a person, Aaron was as soft and kind and as gentle as they come, a sweetheart,” his uncle said. “What I loved about the kid was his independence of thought.”
Aaron Nemelka, the youngest of four children, was scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan in January, his family said in a statement. Nemelka had enlisted in the Army in October 2008, Utah National Guard Lt. Col. Lisa Olsen said.
Pfc. Michael Pearson
Pearson, 21, of the Chicago suburb of Bolingbrook, Ill., quit what he figured was a dead-end furniture company job to join the military about a year ago.
Pearson’s mother, Sheryll Pearson, said the 2006 Bolingbrook High School graduate joined the military because he was eager to serve his country and broaden his horizons.
“He was the best son in the whole world,” she said. “He was my best friend and I miss him.”
His cousin, Mike Dostalek, showed reporters a poem Pearson wrote. “I look only to the future for wisdom. To rock back and forth in my wooden chair,” the poem says.
At Pearson’s family home Friday, a yellow ribbon was tied to a porch light and a sticker stamped with American flags on the front door read, “United we stand.”
Neighbor Jessica Koerber, who was with Pearson’s parents when they received word Thursday their son had died, described him as a man who clearly loved his family — someone who enjoyed horsing around with his nieces and nephews, and other times playing his guitar.
“That family lost their gem,” she told the AP. “He was a great kid, a great guy. … Mikey was one of a kind.”
Sheryll Pearson said she hadn’t seen her son for a year because he had been training. She told the Tribune that when she last talked to him on the phone two days ago, they had discussed how he would come home for Christmas.
Spc. Jason Dean Hunt
Hunt, 22, of Frederick, Okla., went into the military after graduating from Tipton High School in 2005 and had gotten married just two months ago, his mother, Gale Hunt, said. He had served 3 1/2 years in the Army, including a stint in Iraq.
Gale Hunt said two uniformed soldiers came to her door late Thursday night to notify her of her son’s death.
Hunt, known as J.D., was “just kind of a quiet boy and a good kid, very kind,” said Kathy Gray, an administrative assistant at Tipton Schools.
His mother said he was family oriented.
“He didn’t go in for hunting or sports,” Gale Hunt said. “He was a very quiet boy who enjoyed video games.”
He had re-enlisted for six years after serving his initial two-year assignment, she said. Jason Hunt was previously stationed at Fort Stewart in Georgia.
Michael Grant Cahill
Cahill, a 62-year-old physician assistant, suffered a heart attack two weeks ago and returned to work at the base as a civilian employee after taking just one week off for recovery, said his daughter Keely Vanacker.
“He survived that. He was getting back on track, and he gets killed by a gunman,” Vanacker said, her words bare with shock and disbelief.
Cahill, of Cameron, Texas, helped treat soldiers returning from tours of duty or preparing for deployment. Often, Vanacker said, Cahill would walk young soldiers where they needed to go, just to make sure they got the right treatment.
“He loved his patients, and his patients loved him,” said Vanacker, 33, the oldest of Cahill’s three adult children. “He just felt his job was important.”
Cahill, who was born in Spokane, Wash., had worked as a civilian contractor at Fort Hood for about four years, after jobs in rural health clinics and at Veterans Affairs hospitals. He and his wife, Joleen, had been married 37 years.
Vanacker described her father as a gregarious man and a voracious reader who could talk for hours about any subject.
The family’s typical Thanksgiving dinners ended with board games and long conversations over the table, said Vanacker, whose voice often cracked with emotion as she remembered her father. “Now, who I am going to talk to?”
Staff Sgt. Justin M. DeCrow
DeCrow, 32, was helping train soldiers on how to help new veterans with paperwork and had felt safe on the Army post.
“He was on a base,” his wife, MaryKay DeCrow, said in a telephone interview from the couple’s home at Fort Gordon, Ga., where she hoped to be reunited with her husband once he finished his work at Fort Hood. “They should be safe there. They should be safe.”
His wife said she wanted everyone to know what a loving man he was. The couple have a 13-year-old daughter, Kylah.
“He was well loved by everyone,” she said through sobs. “He was a loving father and husband and he will be missed by all.”
DeCrow’s father, Daniel DeCrow, of Fulton, Ind., said his son graduated high school in Plymouth, Ind., and married his high school sweetheart that summer before joining the Army. The couple moved near Fort Gordon about five years ago, he said.
About a year ago, his son was stationed in Korea for a year. When he returned to the U.S., the Army moved him to Fort Hood while he waited for a position to open up in Fort Gordon so he could move back with his wife and daughter, Daniel DeCrow said.
DeCrow said he talked to his son last week to ask him how things were going at Fort Hood.
“As usual, the last words out of my mouth to him were that I was proud of him,” he said. “That’s what I said to him every time — that I loved him and I was proud of what he was doing. I can carry that around in my heart.”
Sgt. Amy Krueger
Krueger, 29, of Kiel, Wis., joined the Army after the 2001 terrorist attacks and had vowed to take on Osama bin Laden, her mother, Jeri Krueger said.
Amy Krueger arrived at Fort Hood on Tuesday and was scheduled to be sent to Afghanistan in December, her mother told the Herald Times Reporter of Manitowoc.
Jeri Krueger recalled telling her daughter that she could not take on bin Laden by herself.
“Watch me,” her daughter replied.
Kiel High School Principal Dario Talerico told The Associated Press that Krueger graduated from the school in 1998 and had spoken at least once to local elementary school students about her career.
“I just remember that Amy was a very good kid, who like most kids in a small town are just looking for what their next step in life was going to be and she chose the military,” Talerico said. “Once she got into the military, she really connected with that kind of lifestyle and was really proud to serve her country.”
Pfc. Kham Xiong
Xiong, 23, of St. Paul, Minn., was a father of three whose family had a history of military service.
Xiong’s father, Chor Xiong, is a native of Laos who fought the Viet Cong alongside the CIA in 1972; Chor’s father, Kham’s grandfather, also fought with the CIA; and Kham’s brother, Nelson, is a Marine serving in Afghanistan.
“I very mad,” Xiong’s father said Friday. Through sniffles and tears, he said his son died for “no reason” and he has a hard time believing Kham is gone.
Kham Xiong was preparing to deploy to Afghanistan, and his sister Mee Xiong said the family would be able to understand if he would have died in battle.
“He didn’t get to go overseas and do what he’s supposed to do, and he’s dead … killed by our own people,” Mee Xiong said.
Xiong was one of 11 siblings and came to the U.S. when he was just a toddler. He grew up in California, then moved to Minnesota with the family about 10 years ago, Chor Xiong said.
He was married and had three children ages 4, 2 and 10 months. He and his wife had moved to Texas in July, Chor Xiong said.
Xiong attended Community of Peace Academy, graduating in 2004, said high school principal Tim McGowan.
“His greatest attribute was his ability to make people smile and make people laugh. Looking back, that’s the fondest memory I have — is that smile of his and that smile that he brought to my face,” McGowan said.
For his father, the death of the little boy who followed his dad everywhere was hard to take. “I don’t think he’s dead,” Chor Xiong said, then whispered, “I don’t think he’s dead.”
Juanita Warman
Warman, 55, was a military physician assistant with two daughters and six grandchildren.
Her sister, Margaret Yaggie of Roaring Branch in north-central Pennsylvania, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that her sister attended Pittsburgh Langley High School and put herself through school at the University of Pittsburgh. She said her sister spent most of her career in the military.
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Associated Press writers
Deanna Martin in Indianapolis, Desiree Hunter in Montgomery, Ala., Elliot Spagat in San Diego,
Thomas Watkins in Los Angeles, Monica Rohr in Houston,
Amy Forliti in St. Paul, Minn., Jennifer Dobner in Salt Lake City, Richard Green in Oklahoma City and Sophia Tareen, Michael Tarm and Amy Shafer in Chicago
contributed to this report.
Rousseau contributed from Bolingbrook, Ill., and
Imrie from Wausau, Wis.
Thank you Larry.
And Freedom Fighter, GO TO HELL!
Doesn’t matter that this guy was a physician….this is off the board. Execution is too good for this dickless asshole. Also doesn’t matter what his so-called ‘religion’ is….he clearly is deranged. He should be imprisoned for life in the worst of environments.
The most equitable punishment should be delivered to those who knew of his obvious derangement and didn’t corral him before this happened. It’s impossible to stop the secretive serial killer….in this case the shithead advertised his intentions and inclinations! Shame on those who were more worried about his ‘civil rights’ and didn’t react to his written intentions and thoughts. Does 9-11 remind us of anything….pre-warning, etc.?
in this case the shithead advertised his intentions and inclinations! Shame on those who were more worried about his ‘civil rights’
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Oh yeah, and this murdering jerk would have every Civil Liberty Union organization/lawyer and everybody else after these guys for ‘discrimination’! Don’t you KNOW that Muslims have MORE rights in our own country than do Christians??? Our kids CANNOT say prayer in school; they cannot hold CHRISTMAS programs anymore (they’re now called ‘Winter’ programs - don’t want to ‘offend’ the other religions y’know), YET the Muslims gets their prayer rugs and footbaths in airports and other public places!
This country bends over BACKWARDS to accommodate OTHER religions - ESPECIALLY THE MUSLIMS - but IGNORES and DISCRIMINATES against Christians, the founding religion of THIS country!
I’m curious, Larry, why do you call him a ‘wannabe?’ How do you distinguish his actions from a suicide bomber’s?
Making everybody hate everybody, driving up paranoia, making life miserable for honorable Muslims in the U.S. military, throwing a monkey wrench into U.S. ‘hearts and minds’ campaigns, putting Hussein Obama on the hot seat — whatever was swimming around in his head, this was a completely poisonous attack that would suit Al-Zawahiri to a tee.
I hope the President can say what you’ve said. But I remember he wouldn’t let that Muslim family sit behind him in a photo shoot. He’s not a gutsy leader — maybe he needs some slack for a week, at least to let him speak out on behalf of our Muslim soldiers.
I noticed that Chris Wallace gave him credit for not allowing a terrorist attack in 10 months. With all the crap Obama’s been dumping on Fox, Wallace showed some major class.
He’s not part of an organized group or network. He did not undergo mission specific training. I have more respect for those who actually submit themselves to the discipline of joing a group or movement. That does not mean I am opposed to killing them. But I worry more about the mayhem that can be caused by an organized group with the ability to project force.
This is akin to the former marine who climbed the Texas Tower in the sixties and shot up the campus. Horrific acts by disturbed personalities.
Not a gutsy leader, there’s an understatement. Interestingly, David Sirota, a person I believe was a total ‘bot during the election, was on NOW last night and said the same thing. He said Obama isn’t going to lead us to Change because Obama isn’t a leader. The host who is a huge Obama fan kept trying to get Sirota to say that he’s being too harsh on Obama and there’s another side of the story. Sirota didn’t budge.
The 7a.m. segment of Fox and Friends had a retired military officer this morning, and he ripped Obama a “new one”!
It was apparent by evening on the day of the trajedy that mistakes were made. I can’t explain them, but I can see how it could be very difficult to stop a determined killer.
With so much traffic in and out, and probably many familiar faces, anyone intent on treasonous behavior has an advantage.
You’re right on that. Security systems in place are mainly designed to keep out intruders or people who have no business entering. A single individual bent on destruction and mayhem can always find a way to beat any system, particularly if they are already on the inside.
Thank you Larry for being reasonable about this- just because he’s Muslim does not mean he was part of a terror cell and until we know more it’s irresponsible (and premature) to throw wild accusations around.
So far, it’s clear he’s a murderer- that we know. Several Muslim groups have come out and condemned the attack as has his family and I can’t even imagine what it must be like to have your own child do something like this. Nor can I imagine what is must be like to get a phone call saying your child was gunned down by a fellow soldier on the Army base. While there are lots of victims in this situation, we can’t make excuses for what he did. But similarly, it only makes things worse to fear monger with respect to ordinary Muslims who practice their religion in a peaceful way and in some cases, put on the uniform of our troops and fight for this country.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/radicals.mosque/index.html
Unbelievable. Why don’t the “peace lovers” inside chase these bums away?
I hope someone follows up on the visitor that came to Hasan’s apartment the day before the shooting and stayed a very short time. Neighbors say this was the only visitor that they ever saw at Hasan’s apt.
So Many Red Flags. What a Tragedy!
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20091107/D9BQTL280.html
Let us not lose track.
The shooter was an officer in the US Army. He had Voluntarily taken an oath to support & defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies both foreign & domestic. He had to take this oath freely with out mental reservation or for puropses of evasion. His oath included that he would perform ALL duties/LAWFUL Orders of those appointed over him.
Failure on any of those counts constitutes Treason.
His act of individual terrorism is TREASON against the NATION. Deal with it. Him a victim MY EYEBALL!?! He is a traitor to his nation and his oaths.
He joined the Army to get an education–he bacame a Doctor at the expense of the US taxpayer. In exchange he was supposed to do his duty–and follow his second oath to “DO NO HARM” for a period of time to repay the benefactor who paid for his education.
He was not a suitable personality for psychiatry his in-ability to have stable and normal human interactions should have been a BIG FLAG. But his special status as not exactly white & christian makes it impossible to single him out and take appropriate diciplinary actions in the current PC environment of the US Military. (I speak from experience) He had marginal ratings but because he fulfilled the “diversity” requirements leadership’s hands are largely tied or they end thier own careers.
PC has to go. This man’s religion is not the issue his choices to commit MURDER and TREASON are and we need to focus there.
Well said.
If it turns out that his religion was his motive then it is the issue.
Ferd, in case you missed this information:
Spc. Frederick Greene, age 29, of Mountain City, TN. was killed.
I hadn’t. My heart goes out to his family.
I am confident that the military will sort this all out, albeit a little late. I do have a feeling that there will be some changes made with respect to decision concerning a person’s fitness for duty. I’m just glad this bastard won’t be tried in a civilian court.
look if this murdering jerx was a true muslim and felt that he should be on their side, all he had to do was join them and then fight like a man for his side. he is a thug, a murderer, and cold calculating self pitying sob. he took a gun and killed innocent people. any person on here excusing this travesty is as big a jerx as he is.
If the story linked below is true, surely hearings will clarify whether or not this “presentation” at Walter Reed Medical Center took place. There should be enough witnesses to verify:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6526030/Fort-Hood-gunman-had-told-US-military-colleagues-that-infidels-should-have-their-throats-cut.html