Comments on: Obama and Pelosi Ram through Health Care, Ignoring “The Urgency of Now” on J.O.B.S.… http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/ Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:48:07 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: IndianaDem http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275995 IndianaDem Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:49:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275995 It isn't the <em>government</em> that's doing the looting, either. Which is certainly something behind much of the healthcare and insurance industries' focused resistance. They're not spending millions of corporate dollars on lobbying efforts and television advertising out of genuine concern for the consumer and the taxpayer. It isn’t the government that’s doing the looting, either. Which is certainly something behind much of the healthcare and insurance industries’ focused resistance. They’re not spending millions of corporate dollars on lobbying efforts and television advertising out of genuine concern for the consumer and the taxpayer.

]]> By: IndianaDem http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275991 IndianaDem Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:34:16 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275991 I liked someone else's succinct response to that thought over in "How Obama Sold Women Out" so much that I'll copy and paste it here, verbatum: <blockquote><strong>Comment by Pablo Cruz | 2009-11-11 13:59:00 Wow — 100% of the Republicans in the house team up with 60-some cowardly Democrats to pass this draconian anti-abortion measure that liberals generally hate. Obama then goes on to criticize the language, and it’s OBAMA’s fault? Get a clue! Please feel free to start flaming me for posting facts</strong></blockquote> So that's gone unrebutted. He hasn't even been flamed yet. I liked someone else’s succinct response to that thought over in “How Obama Sold Women Out” so much that I’ll copy and paste it here, verbatum:

Comment by Pablo Cruz | 2009-11-11 13:59:00

Wow — 100% of the Republicans in the house team up with 60-some cowardly Democrats to pass this draconian anti-abortion measure that liberals generally hate. Obama then goes on to criticize the language, and it’s OBAMA’s fault?

Get a clue!

Please feel free to start flaming me for posting facts

So that’s gone unrebutted. He hasn’t even been flamed yet.

]]> By: morris1030 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275967 morris1030 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:48:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275967 How about the Stupak Amendment which is nothing but a stealth attack on Roe vs Wade by Catholic Dem Stupack who inserted this at last minute with Obama's approval? So tens of millions of women who fought for decads to achieve the right to choose, are now derailed by the draconian amendment that makes abortion all but impossible. Approved by hypocrite Pelosi and betrayer Obama. The entire bill delivers more victims to Insurance Monopoly. Obama needs to say he did a HCR bill for his presidency. This is big time betrayal of Democratic.Reoublican/Ind women's rights. How about the Stupak Amendment which is nothing but a stealth attack on Roe vs Wade by Catholic Dem Stupack who inserted this at last minute with Obama’s approval?

So tens of millions of women who fought for decads to achieve the right to choose, are now derailed by the draconian amendment that makes abortion all but impossible. Approved by hypocrite Pelosi and betrayer Obama.

The entire bill delivers more victims to Insurance Monopoly. Obama needs to say he did a HCR bill for his presidency.

This is big time betrayal of Democratic.Reoublican/Ind women’s rights.

]]> By: LDW http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275470 LDW Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:45:13 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275470 I am still not in favour of Obama's Healthcare legislation, because I don't think it addresses the single most important issue facing Americans: the for-profit system in America is twice as expensive as the average for OECD nations. Even by spending twice as much, Americans only rate 37th in outcomes, according to the World Health Organization, and 47 Americans are uninsured. If the United States were to adopt a healthcare system modelled after countries like France, Germany, Britain, Canada, or even Switzerland, all Americans would be insured for at least 20% less than Americans are presently spending. If fair, universal healthcare were instituted in the US, businesses, entrepeneurs, and individuals would reap the benefits. Healthcare costs would become a 'level playing field', and companies would be better able to compete nationally and internationally. Entrepreneurs would be able to start companies knowing in advance what the company contribution to healthcare was, regardless of the health or pre-existing conditions in their employees. Individuals would be free to change jobs, or return to studies without losing even a day of coverage. The unemployed would also be covered. And basic healthcare in other OECD countries is very comprehensive, including doctor's visits for checkups and preventive care, diagnostic tests of all kinds, treatment for cancer, and elective and emergency surgery, including transplant surgery. People in other OECD countries have comprehensive healthcare for life, and can't lose it because of a pre-existing condition or 'lifetime cap' on a policy. Total spending on health care, per person, 2007 United States: $7290 France: $3601 Germany: $3588 United Kingdom: $2992 Italy: $2686 Spain: $2671 Japan: $2581 (2006) The American healthcare system is being looted, and American taxpayers are left holding the empty bag. I am still not in favour of Obama’s Healthcare legislation, because I don’t think it addresses the single most important issue facing Americans: the for-profit system in America is twice as expensive as the average for OECD nations. Even by spending twice as much, Americans only rate 37th in outcomes, according to the World Health Organization, and 47 Americans are uninsured.

If the United States were to adopt a healthcare system modelled after countries like France, Germany, Britain, Canada, or even Switzerland, all Americans would be insured for at least 20% less than Americans are presently spending.

If fair, universal healthcare were instituted in the US, businesses, entrepeneurs, and individuals would reap the benefits. Healthcare costs would become a ‘level playing field’, and companies would be better able to compete nationally and internationally. Entrepreneurs would be able to start companies knowing in advance what the company contribution to healthcare was, regardless of the health or pre-existing conditions in their employees. Individuals would be free to change jobs, or return to studies without losing even a day of coverage. The unemployed would also be covered.

And basic healthcare in other OECD countries is very comprehensive, including doctor’s visits for checkups and preventive care, diagnostic tests of all kinds, treatment for cancer, and elective and emergency surgery, including transplant surgery. People in other OECD countries have comprehensive healthcare for life, and can’t lose it because of a pre-existing condition or ‘lifetime cap’ on a policy.

Total spending on health care, per person, 2007
United States: $7290
France: $3601
Germany: $3588
United Kingdom: $2992
Italy: $2686
Spain: $2671
Japan: $2581 (2006)

The American healthcare system is being looted, and American taxpayers are left holding the empty bag.

]]> By: Ani http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275448 Ani Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:38:05 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275448 Is she still popular as ever there? Or are people waking up? Is she still popular as ever there? Or are people waking up?

]]> By: Ani http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275440 Ani Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:09:37 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275440 Right you are. Right you are.

]]> By: Cathy in Ks. http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275386 Cathy in Ks. Tue, 10 Nov 2009 07:53:58 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275386 Thanks for the article. I agree. The American people need jobs first. The American voters are not deaf, dumb, and blind. Surely the dual wins of republicans in governors' races in Va. and N. J. last week are warning signs to the democrats that their majority in congress will be for only a short time, if they don't do something to help put people back to work and strengthen our economy. Pelosi's ram-rodding through of a health care reform bill in the House, that many Americans don't want, only angers voters. 2010 is around the corner and I think, we are going to see a lot of democrats' political careers (both the guilty and the innocent) go down in flames come November of next year. Thanks for the article. I agree. The American people need jobs first. The American voters are not deaf, dumb, and blind. Surely the dual wins of republicans in governors’ races in Va. and N. J. last week are warning signs to the democrats that their majority in congress will be for only a short time, if they don’t do something to help put people back to work and strengthen our economy. Pelosi’s ram-rodding through of a health care reform bill in the House, that many Americans don’t want, only angers voters. 2010 is around the corner and I think, we are going to see a lot of democrats’ political careers (both the guilty and the innocent) go down in flames come November of next year.

]]> By: Fifth Dimension http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275367 Fifth Dimension Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:31:56 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275367 I worked very hard to get Nancy elected when I was living in SF, and even I recognize now that was a hideous mistake. I worked very hard to get Nancy elected when I was living in SF, and even I recognize now that was a hideous mistake.

]]> By: Fifth Dimension http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275365 Fifth Dimension Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:18:52 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275365 It's slated to take effect in 2013, because he will need it in 2012 to stir people up into a frenzy. O -- "If you don't re-elect me, you will lose out on your health care reform!!!" And the Dim fools, just like in 2008, will allow themselves to be punked again.. It’s slated to take effect in 2013, because he will need it in 2012 to stir people up into a frenzy.

O — “If you don’t re-elect me, you will lose out on your health care reform!!!”

And the Dim fools, just like in 2008, will allow themselves to be punked again..

]]> By: lorac http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275339 lorac Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:57:21 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275339 felizarte - I think you have a good point! felizarte – I think you have a good point!

]]> By: Ani http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275307 Ani Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:11:00 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275307 yep -- that puts us just about at 2013. yep — that puts us just about at 2013.

]]> By: Onofre's arm http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275289 Onofre's arm Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:29:24 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275289 Should read "OR hypothetical". Should read “OR hypothetical”.

]]> By: Onofre's arm http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275287 Onofre's arm Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:26:39 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275287 Maybe she LOVES black babies! (I seriously doubt she does, but isn't this the logical rebuttle to your ridiculous calculus?) Disclaimer: In no way should any of my comments, past, present, or future; whether factually declarative of hypothetical; be remotely indicative of even the slightest support from me for the she-beast Nazi Pelosi. Any such apparent support, no matter how small, is either derived from a gross misinterpretation of my intent, or is a hideous mistake. Maybe she LOVES black babies!

(I seriously doubt she does, but isn’t this the logical rebuttle to your ridiculous calculus?)

Disclaimer: In no way should any of my comments, past, present, or future; whether factually declarative of hypothetical; be remotely indicative of even the slightest support from me for the she-beast Nazi Pelosi. Any such apparent support, no matter how small, is either derived from a gross misinterpretation of my intent, or is a hideous mistake.

]]> By: Doc99 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275280 Doc99 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:07:20 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275280 The statist oligarchy isn't interested in the people or the economy. The object of the statist is control. Will the groundswell of popular outrage be enough? Only time will tell. The statist oligarchy isn’t interested in the people or the economy. The object of the statist is control. Will the groundswell of popular outrage be enough? Only time will tell.

]]> By: Unabashed Galt http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/11/09/obama-and-pelosi-ram-through-health-care-ignoring-%e2%80%9cthe-urgency-of-now%e2%80%9d-on-jobs%e2%80%a6/#comment-1275250 Unabashed Galt Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:07:16 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=35868#comment-1275250 Actually it is my understanding most of the law takes effect in 3 years, except $5 Billion in immediate funding for the uninsured. Actually it is my understanding most of the law takes effect in 3 years, except $5 Billion in immediate funding for the uninsured.

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