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Clinton Ahead in Key Swing States

By SusanUnPC on April 2, 2008 at 11:50 AM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Obamedia

UPDATE via FleaFlicker: “These numbers defy the Obamedia lies that claim he is winning. Hillary is the obvious and right choice to be our nominee. Some folks in the party better start living in reality.” [About that term: Obamedia = MSM pundits and reporters "in the tank" for Obama]

Political Wire: Clinton Stronger Than Obama in Key Swing States

New Quinnipiac polling results in three of the largest and most important swing states in the Electoral College finds that Sen. Hillary Clinton does better than Sen. Barack Obama against Sen. John McCain in a general election match up.

Florida: Clinton 44, McCain 42; McCain 46, Obama 37
Ohio: Clinton 48, McCain 39; Obama 43, McCain 42
Pennsylvania: Clinton 48, McCain 40; Obama 43, McCain 39

Said pollster Peter Brown: “When it comes to November, Sen. Hillary Clinton’s strength is a big edge over Sen. Barack Obama among white voters, who have not given a majority of their votes to a Democratic presidential nominee since Lyndon Johnson in 1964.”

More numbers incoming … will be updating …

See these numbers? Do ya, Howard, Nancy, and Donna? Huh?

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UPDATE:

Isn’t it something how REAL VOTERS get it?

In Florida, HRC leads McCain by 2 points, up from a 2 point deficit in February, and Obama trails McCain by 9 points (was 2 points in February)

- In Ohio, HRC leads McCain by 9 points, up from a 1 point deficit in February, and Obama leads McCain by 1 point, up from a 2 point deficit in February

- In Pennsylvania, HRC leads the Dem primary by 9 points (was 12 points in mid-March); HRC leads among women, white men, white women, age 45+, no college degree, and in Allegheny, Northeast, Northwest, Southwest and Central regions; Obama leads among AfAm, <45, college grads, and in Philadelphia and the Southeast

- In Pennsylvania, HRC leads McCain by 8 points, up from 2 points in February, and Obama leads McCain by 4 points, up from 2 points in February

  • Catriley

    I’ve been saying this all along. Dean’s failed strategy of the 50-state (or should I say 48 state now?) efforts is what’s driving him to screw Hillary over. The DNC is just pissed at her because they’d decided that the Big State strategy was sooo last election cycle.

    Unless the Electoral College changed when I wasn’t looking, the Democratic nominee will STILL have to win the big states to win in November. Ten little red states don’t mean shit if the Dem nominee can’t win Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania, NY, California, etc. Plus.. add that the GOP nominee this year is seen as moderate to most voters. The swing states will be swinging toward McCain if they put Rev. Wright’s protege’ up against him.

    I think it’s quaint that the OBamacrats and DNC believe that McCain, who is playing Mr. Nice Guy right now, is going to tiptoe through the tulips with Obama in the GE.. or that the 527s aren’t already getting their ads ready in case Obama gets in the GE race.

    Perhaps the Dems need to have our asses handed to us in November with Obama as the nominee in order to purge our Party of this sickness… the most tragic part will be that this GE should have been a cakewalk for Demcrats.

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Are you also asserting that the Obamabots — who BRAG that they won Idaho and North Dakota — don’t know squat about general elections?

      • DCDemocrat

        Markos, in his piercing commentary at the Blog that Must Not Be Named, really and truly said that Obama’s victory in Alaska made Clinton’s victory in California meaningless.

        • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

          You have got to be kidding me. I wish I’d seen that but am on a boycott or something …

          • DCDemocrat

            He wrote it the night of the Super Tuesday primary, February 4.

        • Jeff

          Was he referring to just the primary season, or the general election too?

          • DCDemocrat

            It was the night of the Super Tuesday primaries. It had just become clear that California was going for Hillary in a landslide, but as that was occurring, it was announced that Obama had taken Alaska. Markos decreed with his usual depth of insight that Obama’s Alaska win was more important than Hillary’s California win.

            An astonishing bit of analysis.

      • Catriley

        I do believe that would be my assertion. ;)

        Of course Obama was endorsed today by the Governor of Wyoming, that was front page news, as well. Sadly, he could only get 5,000 people to vote for him there in the caucus (and half of those were probably Dems-for-a-day.)

        Actually, you’ll see a rush of endorsements in the next few weeks, as the DNC is pushing behind the scenes for a way to force Hillary out asap, without looking like the bad guys. I think that the most telling and accurate portrayal of the Democratic Party this year has to be the Sunday morning cartoonish video that was posted here (Larry posted it, I think), of the silly birds. Somehow it just said it all.

        • jwrjr

          “Without looking like bad guys”? Too late.

    • Fleaflicker

      the most tragic part will be that this GE should have been a cakewalk for Demcrats.

      Ain’t that the truth!

    • lifelong dem leaving party

      agree. the only way these idiots will get the message is if it is loud and clear and people end up laughing at them – say a 50 state loss. then we can get the purging we desperately need. ex lax for the dnc sounds good to me.

    • Blue State Girl

      Dean’s failed strategy of the 50-state (or should I say 48 state now?) efforts is what’s driving him to screw Hillary over. The DNC is just pissed at her because they’d decided that the Big State strategy was sooo last election cycle.

      Wow. Care to back that up with some facts?

      • Catriley

        I’ve been very interested in this 50-state ideaology battle for some time, after reading that there is a disagreement between DNC and Clinton on how to get a Democrat in the WHite House. If you do some googling around with key phrases, you’ll pick up on the battle that’s waging. I don’t agree with the 50-state strategy, because it’s like pretending the big states suddenly have less influence on the race, simply because the DNC wants them to. The big states are thus because they are the most populated states, with the most electoral votes. It would take more than an election with gamed caucuses to turn red states blue. That would be more a funciton of putting up the most electable, and yes.. moderate.. Democrat and earning the red state voters into our Party. Bumper stickers and beanies in Wyoming are not going to win the GE for us.

        Axlerod teaches a political class at NW University (which is frightening, really), and uses Joe Trippi’s book as required reading. Axelrod is trying to recycle Dean’s strategy from 2004 to win this. It’s all academic, really.

        oops. I’m rambling… If you do some research you’ll see the battles going on beneath the surface. It’s kind of become a state-stragecy pissing contest at this point, and it’s driving the acrimony between the DNC and Clinton’s campaign.

      • simon

        Blue state girl,

        Do you think Dean has been effective, overall, or has alienated, permanently, loyalists to the democratic party?

        And, politics aside, is it fair the people of FL and MI should be disenfranchised because of Dean inability, as chairman of the DNC, to properly settle the issue? He’s the chairman, it’s his job to count those votes, no matter what Obama wants.

        His reluctance says volumes, and he appears to favor Obama, over Clinton.

        He also has a history with Clinton, of antagonism.

        So it appears he’s screwing voters over in a simple attempt to force his will on others, no different from Cheney, or Stalin, for that matter.

        The greater issue is a lot of us see no real effort on Dean’s part to resolve this in anyway, and he seems to be going OUT of his way to harm Clinton’s candidacy, AGAISNT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

        He’s abusing his power, the public trust, to assist his candidate of choice, Obama.

        If he showed at least a good faith effort to resolve the issue, his credibility and judgement wouldn’t be in question.

        • Grandmother

          What aggravates me about the issue of Michigan and Florida is that the people of those states had nothing to do with the choices made either by their political leaders or the DNC.

          I am still trying to figure out why Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada felt the need to move up the primary season. Didn’t anyone foresee this hop skip and jump by all of these other states who feel left out of the process (we are a nation of Iowa and New Hampshire) Was the purpose of moving the dates up so that the primary season would end sooner? Since Florida’s move was made by the Republican, it was not just the Democrats looking at the change in dates. I mean is this country headed for an even longer primary season than we already have? Isn’t two years long enough? I’m beginning to think Presidential elections and primaries are now like bringing out the new car models. You buy your 2008 in the spring of 2007. It just doesn’t make sense.

          The Democratic Party will be destroyed over this issue and the inflexibility of the party leadership. It is the egos of those involved, Dean, Brazille, Emanuel (don’t forget he is a big supporter of BO having suggested him for the now infamous 2004 convention speech)and their desire for a certain candidate. BO fits in perfectly with the Howard Dean way of politics – I’m an outsider; however, he hasn’t been doing so well has he?

    • Jeff

      In light of the discussion of Howard Dean’s 50-state strategy, I’m curious: did anyone here support his aborted run for prez in ’04?

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  • Fleaflicker

    These numbers defy the Obamedia lies that claim he is winning. Hillary is the obvious and right choice to be our nominee. Some folks in the party better start living in reality.

  • rjj

    Dems need to live in reality?

    Jimmy Carter was a fluke.

    Bill Clinton fluked-in in 92, and they vilified him after he won his second term.

    The Democratic Party isn’t moribund, it isn’t even on life support, it is Norman Bates’ mom. Nobody in DC (Dem or Pub) can acknowledge the fact — the money would dry up.

    • rjj

      WRT Norman Bates’ mom:

      same is probably true of the U.S. democratic republic.

      • simon

        same is probably true of the U.S. democratic republic

        This isn’t the Chinese government, at a certain point you HAVE to acknowledge the US population, which differs from Wall Street, and Washington.

        To say the rumblings can be ignored, or Astroturfed isn’t realistic, it’s denial.

        Not you, rjj, but others, wow.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Some what OT but When is the debate in Pennsylvania?

    And who’s is moderating?

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      I’m curious too. No idea.

      • Andy

        ABC, and I think it’s around April 8th

  • http://! flyarm

    [the most tragic part will be that this GE should have been a cakewalk for Demcrats.]

    and it would have been had the dems gotten behind Edwards!!

    sad but true!!

  • http://! flyarm

    the sadest part is , many dems were once again conned by the neo cons and neo liberals!!
    anyone who still believes the powers that be are in two parties, is only kidding themselves!

    If people don’t know that since the 2006 election ..well ..

    There is one party , the party of power , with one big money pot in the middle.

  • llilytoo

    The horror is Dean and the DNC would be very happy with a MacCain win, if it meant Clintons out. They want to lose if that means a Clinton loses. So our constant appeals for them to get a reality check are pointless. If MaCain is in and they keep thier big DC jobs, that looks real GOOD to the entire DC Washington elite over class.

    OT. The funny thing about the Dem endorsements for Obama is , it’s never anyone I respect. It always seem to come from the Vichy Cave in Wing of the dems.”The UHC is a non starter” Wing.

  • mimi

    “he seems to be going OUT of his way to harm Clinton’s candidacy, AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.”

    Dean, Pelosi et al are hunkered down playing the waiting game. They want the Clintons out! And they believe after Hillary is out, people will tow the Party Line. They are even prepared for the ‘acceptable losses,’ of people like me. They believe that the losses won’t be high. They need a bloodbath in Nov. But I can only vouch for myself. They have to:

    WIN WITHOUT ME!

    The proof is Pelosi shutting down her email and making it available to only her constituents. She’s not interested in what the rest of us have to say. And the way politics work, her constituents are proud to have her as Speaker so they won’t revolt against her. She knows she’s safe. She could care less than a flying fuck about the rest of us or the what the polls say.

    These polls don’t surprise me. I’ve always known that Hillary is the one that the Republicans are afraid of. Of course the only way to prove that would be if she gets the nomination.

    Unless we can figure out a way to penetrate the DNCL’s bunker, things don’t look good. The MSM is simply not going to report that there are legions of disgruntled Democrats who are Hillary supporters. They only want to report that the Democratic Party would lose their AA base if Obama doesn’t get the nomination.

    • http://questionbarackobama.blogspot.com Steven B

      Netroots protests are too easy to ignore. Maybe you should start an online petition and gather supporters for your position. For example, if you started an online petition to de-seat Pelosi, Dean and Brazille as superdelegates and/or the DLC, I’d surely sign it.

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  • Thrasyboulos

    This is building up to become an electoral disaster of monumental proportions. Obama as candidate will eclipse McGovern, big time. After November, there will be a clean out. Dean et al are toast. You heard it here first.

    The netroots (aka Kos, etc) have always overestimated their political power (also known as congenital navel gazing), which is miniscule relative to the power of Big Media. Yes, the netroots can organize, agitate, analyze, but in the big time, the netroots are a gnat bothering an elephant.

    Big Media can turn on a dime, and they reach tens of millions per day, at a time when the electorate is paying attention. And the attention they’ll be paying will be about Wright/Rezko and how Michigan and Florida got shafted by the dem elite, which have foisted an illegitimate candidate on the populace. Guaranteed.

    To repeat. The primary authors of this McGovernite disaster in the making, Dean, Pelosi, the Kos, netroots, will be discredited.

    Too bad. They let what gathering power they had go to their heads. It could have been otherwise, but I suppose tha’s human nature. You think you are unique, but you’re liable to the same foibles and traps and cretinism as everyone else.

  • demfromphilly

    Once again Howard Dean and the DNC are miscalculating the effect of their gutless decision. Suggesting that Superdelegates quickly select the inferior general election candidate so he has time to prep for the endless attacks on the myriad of issues(known and unknown) with his candidacy is a dereliction of duty. Dean is trying to avoid the uproar from Obamabots if their guy doesn’t get the nomination. I got news for Mr Dean -If the Democrats don’t win in November because you gutlessly forced Obama on us as the Democratic nominee knowing full-well he was the lesser candidate(which I believe you do!) the DNC and party elites will experience blowback like they’ve never seen.

  • rosaleen

    Over on TPM Cafe (http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/02/obamas_lama_problem/) Michael Bérubé is saying that the Hillary voters in these swing states are racist and/or stupid. You have to see it to believe it.

    • hillarysmygirl

      I don’t have to see it to believe it…the Obamabots have been calling us racist and/or stupid since day one.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        Hillarysgirl, that’s a great way not to be questioned huh? Don’t you question me, you racist! Hey I am a Garlic Nose. I don’t get to hold anybody to the same standard, but I will anyhow. There are only about 6 million Garlic Noses in America. We know where we stand. No problem. We vote.

  • anna shane

    I wish they’d quit ‘pointing out’ that white voters are more for Hillary. That makes it sound like an anti-black vote when it’s really a practical choice, someone is not just prepared, she has the backers to make her promises come true, how is it that the best talent, retired generals, diplomats, admirals, heads of agencies want her? Isn’t it just possible it isn’t because she’s white but because she’s prepared and we can trust what she’ll do and how she plans to do it. Wishes don’t make things happen, smart experienced experts and professionals make things happen. I’d love to have someone in the white house who isn’t another white guy, especially now that so many fate heads have come out for Barack, but I’d vote for the best qualified, I’d vote for her if she were a he, and if she came in any color. She’s simply the best, far and away, of the two remaining choices. I don’t think the best health care plan starts with losing weight, I think it comes from access to preventative health care and to doctors and hospitals. Sound radical?

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  • http://questionbarackobama.blogspot.com Steven B

    Today on my local public radio station, NPR only reported on these polls ONCE today. However, statements by Obama and Obama poll numbers were reported four times. Obama’s campaign is starting to bottom out, yet no media agency is willing to press the issue, why? Has anyone seen any major news agency take up the polls as listed on RCP?

    Frustrating that the media refuses to challenge Obama’s campaign.

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