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		<title>By: Peggy Sue</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/20413/obama-is-bush-redux-2/#comment-1174520</link>
		<dc:creator>Peggy Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On this I think you&#039;re absolutely correct, James.  

Republicans would like to forget that they had presidential and congressional power for six lo-o-og years.  They&#039;ll point to the two+ years the Dems controlled Congress.  The Dems would like to blame everything on Bush&amp;Co, without acknowledging the last two years of their own congressional majority.

Both parties are to blame!  And any voter who is willing to vote merely on the &quot;likeability factor&quot; can be blamed even more.  

Was Gore a Superstar?  No.  But I think he would have made a credible POTUS, and I don&#039;t think we would have gone to Iraq, which [regardless of all the post-war excuses] was nuts.

Was Kerry a viable alternative to Bush?  No, and that&#039;s why he lost.  So, the Dems took power of Congress in 2007.  Did they make things better.  No.  They made it worse and are now turning a bad situation into a mega disaster. 

I remember hearing Pelosi crow that she was so-o-o proud that she had blocked every single piece of legislation in the last Bush years.  As bad as Bush was, he sent up a warning flare about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Did Congress respond? No, the Dems were so sure they had the high road, they turned off their ears to anything and everything. Barney Frank came out and sang tributes to Fannie and Freddie a month before they went bellyup. And then tried to say he didn&#039;t.  

Liar, liar, pants on fire!!!  

And Chris Dodd makes up stories like there&#039;s no tomorrow, after taking favors from Countrywide and being on the AIG take.  

Were Republicans guilty, too?  Absolutely.

We have a mess now.  It goes across party lines and political affiliations. We have a Secretary of the Treasury who couldn&#039;t even pay his damn taxes and seems hell bent on protecting his banking &quot;chums.&quot; 

Who is to blame?  Everyone, policos and financial experts alike.

It&#039;s time to blink and gasp and tell the truth.  Otherwise, we&#039;re all lost.  And then, party affiliation won&#039;t mean a fig because we&#039;ll all be going over the cliff together.

It&#039;s time to start screaming back at this insanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this I think you&#8217;re absolutely correct, James.  </p>
<p>Republicans would like to forget that they had presidential and congressional power for six lo-o-og years.  They&#8217;ll point to the two+ years the Dems controlled Congress.  The Dems would like to blame everything on Bush&amp;Co, without acknowledging the last two years of their own congressional majority.</p>
<p>Both parties are to blame!  And any voter who is willing to vote merely on the &#8220;likeability factor&#8221; can be blamed even more.  </p>
<p>Was Gore a Superstar?  No.  But I think he would have made a credible POTUS, and I don&#8217;t think we would have gone to Iraq, which [regardless of all the post-war excuses] was nuts.</p>
<p>Was Kerry a viable alternative to Bush?  No, and that&#8217;s why he lost.  So, the Dems took power of Congress in 2007.  Did they make things better.  No.  They made it worse and are now turning a bad situation into a mega disaster. </p>
<p>I remember hearing Pelosi crow that she was so-o-o proud that she had blocked every single piece of legislation in the last Bush years.  As bad as Bush was, he sent up a warning flare about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Did Congress respond? No, the Dems were so sure they had the high road, they turned off their ears to anything and everything. Barney Frank came out and sang tributes to Fannie and Freddie a month before they went bellyup. And then tried to say he didn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>Liar, liar, pants on fire!!!  </p>
<p>And Chris Dodd makes up stories like there&#8217;s no tomorrow, after taking favors from Countrywide and being on the AIG take.  </p>
<p>Were Republicans guilty, too?  Absolutely.</p>
<p>We have a mess now.  It goes across party lines and political affiliations. We have a Secretary of the Treasury who couldn&#8217;t even pay his damn taxes and seems hell bent on protecting his banking &#8220;chums.&#8221; </p>
<p>Who is to blame?  Everyone, policos and financial experts alike.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to blink and gasp and tell the truth.  Otherwise, we&#8217;re all lost.  And then, party affiliation won&#8217;t mean a fig because we&#8217;ll all be going over the cliff together.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time to start screaming back at this insanity.</p>
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		<title>By: I'mFedUp</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/20413/obama-is-bush-redux-2/#comment-1174337</link>
		<dc:creator>I'mFedUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not true, cynic.  The people that are sitting on their asses doing nothing are equally dangerous to America.  Doing nothing and just sort of seeing how far he can take this country into the gutter really isn&#039;t positive.  Those with passion and love for America are going out to take action, just like our forefathers did.  There are no pluses to Obama, none.  And let me say this...I have never given a CRAP about who won as far as thinking they were dangerous to my country.  I had no problem with when one party or another lost.  Okay, fine, some feelings were hurt, some people alleged cheating, whatever.  This isn&#039;t sour grapes, or a bunch of Republicans being POd that the Dems pulled the worst voter fraud in history to steal the election.  No, this has come down to being American and doing damage control so that a very sick individual is removed from the White House before it&#039;s too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not true, cynic.  The people that are sitting on their asses doing nothing are equally dangerous to America.  Doing nothing and just sort of seeing how far he can take this country into the gutter really isn&#8217;t positive.  Those with passion and love for America are going out to take action, just like our forefathers did.  There are no pluses to Obama, none.  And let me say this&#8230;I have never given a CRAP about who won as far as thinking they were dangerous to my country.  I had no problem with when one party or another lost.  Okay, fine, some feelings were hurt, some people alleged cheating, whatever.  This isn&#8217;t sour grapes, or a bunch of Republicans being POd that the Dems pulled the worst voter fraud in history to steal the election.  No, this has come down to being American and doing damage control so that a very sick individual is removed from the White House before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Scout</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/20413/obama-is-bush-redux-2/#comment-1174335</link>
		<dc:creator>Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the one hand, I wish Hillary was still in the Senate because we need her there more than ever.

On the other, I am glad (at least so far) that she is at State and can&#039;t be associated with B0s power grabbing domestic policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the one hand, I wish Hillary was still in the Senate because we need her there more than ever.</p>
<p>On the other, I am glad (at least so far) that she is at State and can&#8217;t be associated with B0s power grabbing domestic policies.</p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/20413/obama-is-bush-redux-2/#comment-1174328</link>
		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those holding extremely negative views of Barack Obama often miss the fact that supporting him doesn&#039;t necessarily imply total, across-the-board approval.  Support is a matter of weighing things in the balance.  There are both pluses and minuses, separated to either side of the scale.  

It&#039;s only natural that supporters would become more outspoken about the perceived minuses in a post-election environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those holding extremely negative views of Barack Obama often miss the fact that supporting him doesn&#8217;t necessarily imply total, across-the-board approval.  Support is a matter of weighing things in the balance.  There are both pluses and minuses, separated to either side of the scale.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s only natural that supporters would become more outspoken about the perceived minuses in a post-election environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Scout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 20:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, and then his supporters cried that she voted no to &quot;make 0bama look bad.&quot;  God, what idiots.

He revealed his lying character over and over.  And millions of people ignored it, including most in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, and then his supporters cried that she voted no to &#8220;make 0bama look bad.&#8221;  God, what idiots.</p>
<p>He revealed his lying character over and over.  And millions of people ignored it, including most in the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/20413/obama-is-bush-redux-2/#comment-1174278</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am guessing that most people in the MSM, knowing the short memory spans of most Americans, will wait until they think most people don&#039;t remeber how they fawned over our new &quot;Messiah.&quot;  They will never, never admit how duped they were.  They will pretend there was no way to predict how O would turn out, that they had nothing to do with him being in office.

And the public will say, &quot;O.K., then we couldn&#039;t have known either.&quot;

Makes me sick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am guessing that most people in the MSM, knowing the short memory spans of most Americans, will wait until they think most people don&#8217;t remeber how they fawned over our new &#8220;Messiah.&#8221;  They will never, never admit how duped they were.  They will pretend there was no way to predict how O would turn out, that they had nothing to do with him being in office.</p>
<p>And the public will say, &#8220;O.K., then we couldn&#8217;t have known either.&#8221;</p>
<p>Makes me sick!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s important to understand why Americans continue to elect presidents that they would like to hang out with instead of people who can actually govern. There are interesting parallels between Bush and Obama, some of which have been discussed on NQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s important to understand why Americans continue to elect presidents that they would like to hang out with instead of people who can actually govern. There are interesting parallels between Bush and Obama, some of which have been discussed on NQ.</p>
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		<title>By: I'mFedUp</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/20413/obama-is-bush-redux-2/#comment-1174260</link>
		<dc:creator>I'mFedUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t get why people are bringing up Bush.  We&#039;re past that and it&#039;s ridiculous.  You can&#039;t even compare Obama to Bush.  Apples and Oranges.  No I didn&#039;t vote for Bush, either time.  But I also didn&#039;t vote to subject my country to Gore or Kerry who I have zero faith in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t get why people are bringing up Bush.  We&#8217;re past that and it&#8217;s ridiculous.  You can&#8217;t even compare Obama to Bush.  Apples and Oranges.  No I didn&#8217;t vote for Bush, either time.  But I also didn&#8217;t vote to subject my country to Gore or Kerry who I have zero faith in.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh.. Kerry, okay, you have a point. But there are other options: vote 3rd party or stay home. 2004 was an election of choosing the lesser of two &quot;Who Cares?&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh.. Kerry, okay, you have a point. But there are other options: vote 3rd party or stay home. 2004 was an election of choosing the lesser of two &#8220;Who Cares?&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Docelder</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/20413/obama-is-bush-redux-2/#comment-1174253</link>
		<dc:creator>Docelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You’re not a Bush supporter&lt;/blockquote&gt; In 2004... guilty. But consider the alternative in Mr. Heinz before you make value judgements. It&#039;s not like there was a lot of choice was there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You’re not a Bush supporter</p></blockquote>
<p> In 2004&#8230; guilty. But consider the alternative in Mr. Heinz before you make value judgements. It&#8217;s not like there was a lot of choice was there.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. Fad loving America picks the loser again, like they did with Bush in 2000 and 2004. You&#039;re not a Bush supporter, are yo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Fad loving America picks the loser again, like they did with Bush in 2000 and 2004. You&#8217;re not a Bush supporter, are yo?</p>
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		<title>By: I'mFedUp</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/20413/obama-is-bush-redux-2/#comment-1174236</link>
		<dc:creator>I'mFedUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The real pity is that we had an authentic alternative in Hillary Clinton. &lt;strong&gt;We had a leader in John McCain.&lt;/strong&gt; What we settled for was The Great Pretender. And now, we’re all going to pay the price.&lt;/em&gt;

You got that right, Peggy Sue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The real pity is that we had an authentic alternative in Hillary Clinton. <strong>We had a leader in John McCain.</strong> What we settled for was The Great Pretender. And now, we’re all going to pay the price.</em></p>
<p>You got that right, Peggy Sue.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Linda too</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/20413/obama-is-bush-redux-2/#comment-1174229</link>
		<dc:creator>I'm a Linda too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then it sounds like any supporter or hopeful supporter is seeing what Obama really is.

...it should also tell them how naive THEY are and they don&#039;t pay attention to the real issues and should STAY OUT OF POLIICS.

...Bill Maher didn&#039;t like Obama laughing about legalizing pot-no doubt.  That and PETA are his pet projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then it sounds like any supporter or hopeful supporter is seeing what Obama really is.</p>
<p>&#8230;it should also tell them how naive THEY are and they don&#8217;t pay attention to the real issues and should STAY OUT OF POLIICS.</p>
<p>&#8230;Bill Maher didn&#8217;t like Obama laughing about legalizing pot-no doubt.  That and PETA are his pet projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/20413/obama-is-bush-redux-2/#comment-1174216</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From TGW soon after the FISA vote:

&quot;&lt;em&gt;Barack Obama joined every Senate Republican (and every House Republican other than one) by voting in favor of it, while his now-vanquished primary rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, voted against it. John McCain wasn&#039;t present for any of the votes, but shared Obama&#039;s support for the bill. The bill will now be sent to an extremely happy George Bush, who already announced that he enthusiastically supports it, and he will sign it into law very shortly.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

MyDD has Hillary&#039;s full statement and the FISA vote tally. Here&#039;s an excerpt:
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&quot;There is little disagreement that the legislation effectively grants retroactive immunity to the telecommunications companies. In my judgment, immunity under these circumstances has the practical effect of shutting down a critical avenue for holding the administration accountable for its conduct. It is precisely why I have supported efforts in the Senate to strip the bill of these provisions, both today and during previous debates on this subject. Unfortunately, these efforts have been unsuccessful. 

What is more, even as we considered this legislation, the administration refused to allow the overwhelming majority of Senators to examine the warrantless wiretapping program. This made it exceedingly difficult for those Senators who are not on the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees to assess the need for the operational details of the legislation, and whether greater protections are necessary. The same can be said for an assessment of the telecom immunity provisions. On an issue of such tremendous importance to our citizens - and in particular to New Yorkers - all Senators should have been entitled to receive briefings that would have enabled them to make an informed decision about the merits of this legislation. I cannot support this legislation when we know neither the nature of the surveillance activities authorized nor the role played by telecommunications companies granted immunity. 

Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war. That is what sets us apart. And that is what is vital to ensuring that any tool designed to protect us is used - and used within the law - for that purpose and that purpose alone. I believe my responsibility requires that I vote against this compromise, and I will continue to pursue reforms that will improve our ability to collect intelligence in our efforts to combat terror and to oversee that authority in Congress.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From TGW soon after the FISA vote:</p>
<p>&#8220;<em>Barack Obama joined every Senate Republican (and every House Republican other than one) by voting in favor of it, while his now-vanquished primary rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, voted against it. John McCain wasn&#8217;t present for any of the votes, but shared Obama&#8217;s support for the bill. The bill will now be sent to an extremely happy George Bush, who already announced that he enthusiastically supports it, and he will sign it into law very shortly.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>MyDD has Hillary&#8217;s full statement and the FISA vote tally. Here&#8217;s an excerpt:</p>
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&#8220;There is little disagreement that the legislation effectively grants retroactive immunity to the telecommunications companies. In my judgment, immunity under these circumstances has the practical effect of shutting down a critical avenue for holding the administration accountable for its conduct. It is precisely why I have supported efforts in the Senate to strip the bill of these provisions, both today and during previous debates on this subject. Unfortunately, these efforts have been unsuccessful. </p>
<p>What is more, even as we considered this legislation, the administration refused to allow the overwhelming majority of Senators to examine the warrantless wiretapping program. This made it exceedingly difficult for those Senators who are not on the Intelligence and Judiciary Committees to assess the need for the operational details of the legislation, and whether greater protections are necessary. The same can be said for an assessment of the telecom immunity provisions. On an issue of such tremendous importance to our citizens &#8211; and in particular to New Yorkers &#8211; all Senators should have been entitled to receive briefings that would have enabled them to make an informed decision about the merits of this legislation. I cannot support this legislation when we know neither the nature of the surveillance activities authorized nor the role played by telecommunications companies granted immunity. </p>
<p>Congress must vigorously check and balance the president even in the face of dangerous enemies and at a time of war. That is what sets us apart. And that is what is vital to ensuring that any tool designed to protect us is used &#8211; and used within the law &#8211; for that purpose and that purpose alone. I believe my responsibility requires that I vote against this compromise, and I will continue to pursue reforms that will improve our ability to collect intelligence in our efforts to combat terror and to oversee that authority in Congress.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: trixta</title>
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		<dc:creator>trixta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I repeat, wasn’t it Jeremy Scahill who said on CSpan that “we might disagree with Obama on some issues, but the important thing is to focus on the hope he inspires” (quote paraphrased here). I guess Jeremy is singing another tune now.

With regard to some on the Left waking up -- I heard Bill Maher was critical of Obama on his show two weeks ago.  I don&#039;t know what he said (I heard about it on a blog post), but wonder if  Bill is beginning to realize what we all have deduced about Obama from the outset -- that BO is GWB rebranded and a fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I repeat, wasn’t it Jeremy Scahill who said on CSpan that “we might disagree with Obama on some issues, but the important thing is to focus on the hope he inspires” (quote paraphrased here). I guess Jeremy is singing another tune now.</p>
<p>With regard to some on the Left waking up &#8212; I heard Bill Maher was critical of Obama on his show two weeks ago.  I don&#8217;t know what he said (I heard about it on a blog post), but wonder if  Bill is beginning to realize what we all have deduced about Obama from the outset &#8212; that BO is GWB rebranded and a fraud.</p>
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