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The Warrior and the Eloquent Fool

US News has a very important and extremely enlightening article about the strength of the respective candidacies of Hillary and Obama. While no one can deny that Obama has carried more states, his actual strength in many of the states has been very concentrated, not widespread as the campaign would have you believe. Michael Barone states that Obama Appeals to Academics and Clinton Appeals to Jacksonians. And yes, the title speaks for itself. Obama’s support is largely concentrated in areas where among other things he has vast African American support. While Hillary’s support is more widespread across the country.

In reviewing the maps of the Democratic primary results, in Dave Leip’s electoral atlas, I was struck by the narrow geographic base of Barack Obama’s candidacy. In state after state, he has carried only a few counties—though, to be sure, in many cases counties with large populations. There are exceptions, particularly in the southern states with large numbers of black voters in both urban and rural counties. But overall, the geographic analysis has pointed up to me a divide between Democratic constituencies—a divide as stark as that between blacks and Latinos or the old and the young—which has not shown up in the exit polls. It’s a division that helps to explain the quite different performances of Obama and Hillary Clinton in general election pairings against John McCain.

As an example of Mr. Barone’s very detailed analysis, let’s take a look at Michigan where Obama withdrew from the race but encouraged his supporters to vote “Uncommitted.”

Michigan. The Democratic National Committee has ruled that these results do not count, and Obama was not on the ballot, though prominent Democrats urged Obama supporters to vote for “Uncommitted.” Hillary Clinton beat “Uncommitted” by the unambiguous but not overwhelming margin of 55 percent to 40 percent. Yet Obama carried only two of 83 counties: Emmet County, a small county at the northern tip of the Lower Peninsula, and Washtenaw County, the site of the University of Michigan and Eastern Michigan University. “Uncommitted” beat Clinton in two of 15 congressional districts, the black-majority 13th and 14th districts.

As is quite clear, Obama did well in only two counties in the whole state. Two counties out of 83. Not exactly widespread popularity. Conversely, in South Carolina Obama did very well. He only lost two counties. One to Hillary and one to Edwards.

In Florida, again Obama did not do very well considering the margin by which he lost the state. He won in only 5 Congressional districts statewide. Considering his lack of popular support in Michigan and Florida it is no wonder he is standing in the way of having their votes counted. In fact he only won in 7 of 67 counties in Florida.

Florida. The Democratic National Committee has ruled that these results do not count; all the candidates were on the ballot but didn’t campaign here (unless you count a national cable TV ad for Obama and Clinton’s arrival in the state on Election Day). Obama carried five of the state’s 25 congressional districts—the two panhandle districts (1, 2) with narrow pluralities over Clinton and Edwards and the three black-majority (or near-majority) districts (3, 17, 23). In terms of counties, he carried only seven of 67 counties, including Duval (Jacksonville), Alachua (the University of Florida), and Leon (the state capital and Florida State and Florida A&M universities). He
trailed Clinton by fairly large margins in the big I-4 corridor and Gold Coast counties where Edwards was a minimal factor.

According to Barone, it was in Georgia that a pronounced split began to occur between the supporters of Obama and the supporters of Hillary. While Obama won Georgia big, the strength of his support began to dwindle in the northern counties where they they went dramatically for Hillary. This marks the beginning of the distinction between what Barrone defines as the Jacksonians and the Academics.

But note that the counties at the northern edge of the state voted for Clinton, in many cases by wide margins. This was the first sign in the primary season of Obama’s great weakness among Appalachian voters—call them Jacksonians, after their first president. We see this also in Alabama, where Obama lost all but one county north of Birmingham and several counties in the southern wiregrass region: These are almost entirely white counties (indeed they were conquered from the Indians by Andrew Jackson and settled by Tennesseans). Note Clinton’s 85 percent in Winston County, a hill county ornery enough to have opposed the Confederacy in the Civil War.

This pattern of voting continued in Tennessee, Arkansas and Oklahoma, where Obama only carried one county. The trend continued even into New Mexico where Obama won in the more affluent communities but Hillary won more overall and more wide spread throughout the state. In Missouri where Obama claimed victory, he carried only 5 counties in the entire state. And most in counties that were heavily African American. The pattern of Jacksonian defection was also demonstrated in Obama’s home state of Illinois.

Then there’s Missouri. Obama’s 49 percent-to-48 percent win didn’t net him any delegates, but it gave him rights to brag that he could carry the southern-accented Midwest. Except that he carried only small geographic parts of it: St. Louis City and St. Louis County (the county is much larger than the city, and more blacks live in the county than in the city), Jackson County (central Kansas City), Cole County (Jefferson City, the state capital), Boone County (Columbia, the University of Missouri), and rural Nodaway County in the far northwest (did some Iowa caucus organizers go over the line?). He lost Pike County, Mark Twain’s home county, 63
percent to 33 percent, and Dunklin County in the southeast boot heel 78 percent to 18 percent. There’s a similar pattern to Obama’s landslide victory in his home state of Illinois, which he carried 65 percent to 33 percent but where he lost 14 of 102 counties, all of them in far downstate Illinois, all of them originally settled by southerners—more Jacksonian country.

In Texas where Hillary won 51% to 47% Obama won in only 24 counties while Hillary won in 226. Quite a significant difference. And in Ohio where Hillary turned this race around, Obama carried only 5 counties and 4 Congressional Districts.

In Ohio,
Clinton won 54 percent to 44 percent. Obama carried only five of 88 counties: Cuyahoga (Cleveland), Franklin (Columbus: state capital, Ohio State University), Delaware (upscale Columbus suburbs), Montgomery (Dayton), and Hamilton (Cincinnati). He carried only four congressional districts, 1 (Cincinnati), 3 (Dayton), 10 (east side of Cleveland), and 12 (Columbus), and came very close in 15 (the other side of Columbus). Clinton won between 61 percent and 70 percent in four districts: 6 (Ohio River from Portsmouth up toward Youngstown), 10 (west side of Cleveland), 17 (Youngstown-Akron), and 18 (east central Ohio). Here we see our Jacksonians again, very negative toward Obama. On Fox News on election night, I emphasized the strong Clinton (or weak Obama) showings in southern Ohio, and I think rightly so. I was stunned by the size of the Clinton margins, and I have thought ever since that this bodes ill for Obama’s chances of winning votes in western and central Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, and perhaps (though it’s a small part of the state) western North Carolina.

Barone sees this as an epic battle between two tribes within American culture, the Academics and the Warriors (Jacksonians).

Obama is of course the Academic.

Like Stevenson, he speaks fluently and often eloquently but does not exude a sense of command. He is an interlocutor, not a fighter. His habit of stating his opponents’ arguments fairly and sometimes more persuasively than they do themselves has been a political asset among his peers and in the press but not among Jacksonians, who are more interested in defeating than in understanding their enemies.

And Hillary is obviously the Warrior.

In contrast to Obama, Clinton has given herself the image of a fighter. And it’s not entirely inauthentic. Against very unfavorable odds, she is continuing to campaign and to insist—and for Jacksonians, this is among the most admirable of qualities—that she is not a quitter. She is fighting fair and foul—think about her lies about being under fire in Bosnia—but she is still fighting, and Jacksonians may not hold her lies heavily against her. We have seen her rebound from humiliations professional (healthcare) and personal (Monica Lewinsky) and keep fighting. This is off-putting to academics but admirable, or something close to that, to Jacksonians.

That’s our gal. She never gives up, never gives in. She projects strength and seasoned experience. Exactly the qualities we need in our President. And Barone agrees, he believes that because Hillary is a warrior she stands a very good chance of getting the popular vote, with or without Michigan and Florida.

Clinton’s support from Jacksonians gives her, as I have argued, a chance to overtake Obama in the popular vote and an opportunity to argue to the superdelegates that she should be the Democratic nominee. They’re a significant bloc of voters in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, West Virginia, and Kentucky (although I should note that this week’s polls in Pennsylvania show her running behind my projections). The Democratic Party has seldom won a presidential election without their support: Jimmy Carter carried Jacksonian voters in 1976, and so did Bill Clinton in 1992 and, by a lesser margin, in 1996. If Al Gore had carried just West Virginia or Kentucky or Tennessee or Georgia or Arkansas—all states carried by Carter in 1976 and Clinton in 1992, all heavy with Jacksonians—he would have been elected president in 2000, and we wouldn’t have spent 37 days arguing how to count the vote in Florida. This Democratic primary contest has become a bitter fight between blacks and Latinos, young and old, upscale and downscale—and academics and Jacksonians.

All in all this very detailed analysis completely disputes the lie propagated by the Obama campaign that they are the one’s that have the more widespread support throughout the country. When the numbers are actually examined it becomes very clear that Hillary is the candidate that represents the vast majority of America. And the only Democratic candidate that will win the White House.

  • JoeySky

    This 2 links also show in graphic details that HRC is stronger than BO in FL and GE.

    http://www.diversityj.com/Florida2000to2008.html

    http://www.diversityj.com/ElectoralVoteStates.html

  • http://thehorizontalworld.blogspot.com/ Mary Jo Kopechne

    I have an ivy league phd and teach at a university. I find Obama completely bereft of what makes scholars missing–he seems unable to speak extemporaneously about policy; his speeches are examples of sophmoric hyperboly, and lawyers, with all due respect, in general, are not really academics. In academic terms, they have very narrow technical expertise.

    HRC is an exception to this, and of course there are other exceptions–Bobby Kennedy was scholarly, for example. HRC’s experience and expertise is wide ranging in contrast to Obama’s, which seems….well, it just doesn’t seem to exist.

  • CognitiveDissonance

    Here is another article in the same vein which shows why Hillary has a good shot at winning this, using maps and detailed analysis of the counties she is winning in various states and the larger meaning:

    No Really. Hillary Has a Decent Shot
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/no_really_hillary_has_a_decent.html

  • http://thedemocraticdaily.com gqmartinez

    Essentially, Obama is doing really well where Democrats normally do well. Hillary is winning in the other areas. I was going to do an extensive write-up on New Mexico, but I’ll summarize here: Kerry lost in the second congressional district in NM but won in the others. Obama had narrow wins in districts 1 and 3, but lost handily in NM-2, precisely where a Democrat needs to make inroads to win in November. I grew up in NM-2 and know the area reasonably well. Hillary makes that CD competitive and can probably even help the congressional candidate running for the open seat.

    Additionally, if you look at the Texas map, the counties bordering NM-2 went for Hillary. She would run strong in those areas and would definitely switch NM from red to blue.

  • orionATL

    joeysky -

    thanks for the two links.

    the charts in the second link explain clearly why clinton has been under so much pressure from party elders, superdelegates, and obama old-heads to resign now.

    those democratic elder statesmen do not want to be forced into making a publicly visible choice between obama and clinton

    which would require enraging obama’s many supporters by publicly detailing why the senator would be a poor choice for the democratic candidate at this time:

    1) senator obama is not popular enough to woo large numbers of white voters in the general election.

    nor has he done very well under non-caucus voting conditions,

    i.e., where folks go get in line to vote, sign in, go to the voting machine, make their choice, get their badge, and go home,

    i.e., under large-state conditions where the only choice is to practice wholesale politics.

    2) senator obama is much too inexperienced to be given the job of democratic nominee for president at this time. he is presently lacks the operational and emotional intelligence to lead the nation.

    that he continues to seek the nomination suggests to me a self-confidence strongly out of balance with any competing sense of self-doubt.

  • AmyinSC

    I know many PhDs who support Clinton (I have an M.Div. with additional post-grad work myself), and I have often wondered abt this whole concept that the EDUCATED people go for Obama, and the working class people go for Clinton. First of all, it seems to me that an EDUCATED person would be capable of making the distinction between someone making a speech against the war and then voting to fund it from thereon after, or the problem of supporting Cheney’s energy bill, or only being capable of parroting Clinton’s policies – as you said, without being capable of speaking extemporaneously, to name JUST a few (and there are LOTS more issues of concern for me with him – like his arrogance, homophobia, and sexism), and not get caught up in the rhetoric. I mean, really – how is it that all of these so-called educated people are incapable of the simplest of logical deductions?? It makes NO sense to me.

    Then there is Clinton, who can speak on substantive issues extemporaneously for lengthy periods – did you see her on Jim Cramer’s Mad Money?? The woman answered EVERY question thrown at her for 16 1/2 minutes WITHOUT NOTES. Her mastery of policy and her intellect are amazing. Then there are her very real people skills – her compassion, her sense of humor, and her passion for public service. She is, in short, impressive.

    So what does all of that say? That there is a class issue being pushed here – that in some way, Clinton’s followers are being “denigrated” by the media AND Obama as working-class people while all of Obama’s supporters are the “smart” people? Seems to me that the ones who pick the experienced, knowledgeable candidate ARE the smart people, no matter HOW the Obama camp wishes to frame it. And I HASTEN to add, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being a blue-collar, or lunch bucket worker – nothing at ALL – though there is certainly the IMPLICATION that there is by the Obama MSM. And PLENTY of working class people are smart people. It is just yet another tool to DIVIDE us that is being pushed in this campaign: the elite vs. the common people. Well, if that IS the case, I know with whom I stand, that’s for sure!

    I think it is incredibly indicative that Clinton’s support is wide-spread. And incredibly indicative that she continues to do so well given the acknowledged media bias against her, the vicious attacks, and the distortions about her. It says a whole lot about HER, and her positions on the issues.

    Now it is time for the superdelegates to PAY ATTENTION to these very clear differences between substance and appearance; ability and rhetoric; hard work and entitlement. Seems like a clear choice to ME!!!

  • AF catfish

    Eerie. Barone is right on. I’m a warrior (an educated, intellectually curious warrior) living in a sea of academics.

    We have seen her rebound from humiliations professional (healthcare) and personal (Monica Lewinsky) and keep fighting. This is off-putting to academics but admirable, or something close to that, to Jacksonians.

    Why would tenacity be off-putting to acedemics? Why would it be off-putting to anybody? Academics strike me as people who admire perfection or elegance over effort.

  • pm317

    I must be a hybrid — I am an academic but am for Clinton. Somehow this highly educated class all being for Obama seems like a myth. It seems to me that low information voters with large egos plus people with severe anti-Clinton bias are what his predominant base is within non-AA. Academics are generally good sleuths; they are also objective and intellectually honest not to mention intellectually curious. I can’t see them not see through his lies and misrepresentations, political strategy for cheap political gain. His eloquence is another myth — the guy can’t think on the fly, on his feet on any issue without some memorization or can’t give a good speech without a teleprompter — that is not an academic. As usual it is the media hype and spin.

    Having said that, this is great analysis. Thanks!

  • allimom99

    I am also educaded and for Hillary – maybe it’s the addition of common sense. I was supporting Edwards and suspicious of Obama from day 1. I couldn’t put my finger on it then. I really was sad as I realized my first impression was correct. Now I just don’t see how SO many otherwise inteliigent people (including some very old friends whose opinions I respect) can fall for this crap.

    Hopefully, since US News is pretty mainstream, someone will pick up on this (hey SDs!).

    Maybe a little OT, but our local community supported radio station replayed Hillary’s speech to the NGO reps at the Women’s conference in Beijing. Reminded me again why I support her.

  • allimom99

    Oops! “educated” – never was very good at typing…

  • simon

    It seems to me that low information voters with large egos plus people with severe anti-Clinton bias are what his predominant base is within non-AA.

    I would also question the Obama youth vote, it appears to be more spin than reality.

    And given Obama’s campaign is simply a PR company push, ala Greenberg Trauring, as opposed to a legitimate candidacy, all appearances must be considered deceiving.

  • Catriley

    I’ve been trying to tell people this.. but no one listens. Obama’s support is very concentrated, and extremely thin in the ways it will COUNT in November. It’s like the DNC has a fear of success with trying to push him as the nominee. While applaud Dean’s admitted (in an NPR interview) that he was trying to “increase the AA participation by moving up South Carolina”, I don’t think that one group should have precedence over any other in our Party because the DNC is worried that the AA vote was starting to trend more republican in the last two elections. I think Dean got so caught up in his deanie-beanie crowd, that he also believes that younger voters are more important than older ones, as well.

    I don’t want McCain for president. Though I’m frustrated with the DNC, how could I even consider someone that made such vile comments about Chelsea Clinton when she was a young teen? He’s not someone we want as president. I cannot fathom how people cannot see that Obama has limited appeal in a GE, that he has more baggage than a socialite on a world cruise, and he just does not have the gravitas to turn this Country around. He needs some seasoning, he needs time to figure out who the fuck he is… and shed the hangers-on that he accumulated while becoming a politician.

    He’s not ready. The MAJORITY of Americans know this. The voting data shows this. The gamed caucuses are not a mandate.

  • Salo

    how is Obama getting so many delegates if he’s losing geographical areas?

    I Thought that a large portion of the delagate count in most states was by congressional district.

    Baropne probably answered this –I know why he did so in Texas but it doesn’t explain the rest.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    This is a great piece Flea!

    Too bad it’s over Dean’s head.

  • Salo

    This is the roundhead and cavalier argument.

    Clinton’s IWR vote is a BLACK mark to the Puritanical.

    Although she’s done quite well in New England, there are moralists about the war (“campuses and coffee houses” the cliche) who will never forgive that vote. Clinton isn’t a cavalier she ‘s a border reiver…just like her old man…trying to survive and hang in there same as she was in 2002. But it may not be her year or the year the party wins.

  • Salo

    He’s slightly off. Edwards was the first choice of the Jacksonians. She’s got the women’s vote, public service union employees and some centrists. Although something of her old man apears to have rubbed off on her.

  • Palomino

    Salo, delegate count is apportioned by congressional district, but you have to take a couple of things into account. For one thing, many congressional districts have been gerrymandered to include large-majority African American populations. This has been done to guarantee that there will be some rather than no African American members of Congress. For another thing, delegates are also awarded on the basis of how many Democratic votes a congressional district has produced in the past. So put those two things together, add in proportional representation (rather than a winner-take-all system for each state’s delegates), and you have Obama gaining large numbers of delegates by winning all the gerrymandered African American congressional districts, which have produced many Democratic votes in the past, even though the AA electorate is about 12 percent of the general population. Those are not the only districts Obama is winning, of course, but without them and proportional representation, Hillary Clinton would have had the nomination sealed long ago. I give Obama credit for running a savvy campaign as far as the primaries are concerned in AA congressional districts and gaming the caucuses where primaries have not been held. I wish Hillary’s campaign had been as well run.

  • desert dawg

    First, let me congratulate the commenters on this post–calm, reasoned, and polite. What a refreshing change from most blogs.

    But a question: the fly in the ointment (which seems to surprise Barone, too) is the polling result from PA: why, if HRC is the stronger candidate, is BO narrowing so quickly in a state that by all rights should be hers–by a lot? Any thoughts? Is it all about $–and ad buys?

  • Palomino

    Clinton’s IWR vote is a BLACK mark to the Puritanical. Although she’s done quite well in New England, there are moralists about the war (”campuses and coffee houses” the cliche) who will never forgive that vote.

    But those people were never going to vote for Clinton anyway. And if they had any intellectual honesty, they wouldn’t vote for Obama, either. Their objection to Clinton’s IWR vote is, as the psychoanalysts like to say, “overdetermined.” Most people now say that the invasion and occupation of Iraq were wrong, but it seems to me that most are also able to place the IWR vote in context. Thus the calls for Clinton to “apologize” for her IWR vote, and all the hectoring on this point, are coming from a minority whose shrillness is out of proportion to its size.

  • Palomino

    Ad buys, but remember Obama’s pattern, too–he appears to surge, and then he underperforms. Remember how he was going to take California by 12 points? Heh.

  • Margaret

    This is such a great piece, thank you!!

    I have two post-graduate degrees, including a law degree. I love Starbucks. And I’m a Hillary supporter. She’s the thinking person’s candidate! Or, as a placard I got at a Hillary rally says “Hillary, Smart Choice”.

    My fiancee, also well-educated but a Dunkin Donuts man, is an Obama supporter. He was raised in the South during Jim Crow in a very wealthy and racist family and had classmates who were in the KKK. Also he was pretty much raised by African American housekeepers who were very loving and definitely molded his character. I believe this has influenced his support of Obama.

    I, on the other hand, am a Yankee raised in a family with a seriously deranged father, so I am more aware of issues of sexism and this has certainly influenced my support of Hillary.

    I do think the myths of what class of people supports each candidate are oversimplified.

  • Salo

    I know they did that history of Democratic reurns in Texas—I didn’t know that it was being done nationwide.

    No wonder he’s been able to keep it so close in the states he’s lost.

  • Salo

    Exactly. I suspect a lot of peole are glossing over their own previous support for the war by over reacting about politicians who may have initially given Bush the benefit of the doubt.

  • Patrick Henry

    MARGARET..

    Sounds Like a HIT TV Series to me…

  • jackie

    Great information. As I’ve been following the election results carefully, I always felt the maps showed Clinton having a very large base and did well. Obama obviously targeted the caucuses as his strategy and it paid off. But Clinton did SO well in the big States, CA, FL, that I thought it was obvious she would do well in the GE. I don’t know what the DNC is thinking.

    About the educated voters. I know 5 people at work with high levels of education who voted for Obama (I’m in CA). They explained to me that they thought Hillary COULDN’T WIN. So, they weren’t voting FOR Obama. They were voting AGAINST her. They thought she had too much baggage,she couldn’t win against the Republican, etc.

    It’s too bad Democrats that voted against her didn’t have more faith in her. That has been disappointing. She is a very gifted and inspiring public servant.

  • Patrick Henry

    Maybe we should do a census check..

    Or, do they Say Its happening to Make it Happen.?

    Put it on Auto Dial..vote for your Fvorite..

    American SMIDOL..

  • Patrick Henry

    Agreed..HILLARY IS IN IT TO WIN IT..and this should have been Her year..She is Qualified..

    There are Peoplke who know the republicans are going to be Beat this year..Bush has Destoryed the Party and Lost the Trust of the People..John McCain is just more of the same..or the Big Money wouldn’t be supporting him..

    GO HILLARY…!!

  • Nathan

    How is it “foul” to have made a stupid mistake about the Bosnia story? Meanwhile, Obama actually lies about taking credit for an immigration bill and yet Clinton is the one fighting “foul.”

  • TeakWoodKite

    Academics strike me as people who admire perfection or elegance over effort.

    That statement is a stereotype, It’s the old PC/Mac argument. I agree that a person with an advanced education isn’t allergic to great effort.

    Einstein anyone?

  • loyal dem leaving party

    i’m another of those educated (j.d.) people supporting hillary. i find it interesting that i am blog-attacked on other sites, like abcnews, by obamaites who seem to have difficulty spelling but accuse me of being uneducated and stupid. i have long held profound doubts about the integrity of some pollsters, such as the obama-bought zogby, but thought some of the others were at least somewhat credible. i am beginning to wonder. are the people answering polls just lying or are the pollsters just reporting what the obamaites want to sell, i.e., if you’re not for obama you’re dumb and racist.

    i’m in texas and it’s a huge state, as we all know. if you look at one of those maps with different colors for the counties won by obama vs. hillary, you’ll see that she won almost the whole state (but he got more delegates, a familiar fact this year). he won areas around houston (large aa population), dallas (large aa population), and austin (students and hip music crowd). clearly, he targeted those areas, and it worked for him. but he also tried in other areas and failed badly (such as south texas, where his efforts to woo latinos were a total bust).

    this seems to be his pattern everywhere, and it works enough to give him lots of delegates in our stupid allocation system. it will not, however, be enough to carry states like texas when it’s winner take all for the electoral votes and when it’s him against a repub rather than hillary (whom i admire tremendously but i must admit she has high negatives that mccain doesn’t).

    the other thing about the polls is the obvious attempt to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by depressing hillary supporters to keep them from getting out to vote and by diminishing contributions to her. remember before california when zogby came into it quite late with highly positive numbers for obama (although they hadn’t previously been polling the state). it was a clear attempt to sell a story. it didn’t work, but the continuous drumbeat approach, as is happening now with the she can’t win stories, is unfortunately having an impact.

    it’s so sad to see democracy hijacked in this manner.

  • miriam

    I think the “educated” voter going for Obama is bogus PR fluff. The only way this idea can be justified is by the areas he wins that include colleges/universities. But it’s the naive students who are voting for him. The students and the upscale nouveau riche, who may think it’s this year’s chic to support a black. Brains have little to do with it.

    Hillary obviously has a varied blend of supporters, which is why I still think she may pull this out. But the media and the DNC are allied against her and I think the game has been rigged from the start.

  • lifelong dem leaving party

    miriam, agree re rigged from the start. also re students – by definition, they’re not educated YET. and, remembering my own youth, students tend to dramatically overestimate their own knowledge.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Another nine iron on the driving range, FleaFlicker.

    From strategic standpoint “defending” a larger geography is more difficult to sustain, as a the demographics Obama is extorting are more concentrated.

    An interesting “battle field” to examine.

  • jwrjr

    Re: “PR fluff” – probably so. It may be that they are trying to confuse cause and effect, however. I.E. they are trying to imply that if you vote for Obama, you are educated, while if you vote for Clinton you are a dumb f***. This is stupid, of course. But people who vote for Obama want their ego stroked.

  • Nathan

    As someone from a working class home who attended Princeton and Harvard, there are plenty of people I met who didn’t let their “education” get in the way of their biases, bigotry, and just plain tin ear when it comes to politics or the working class (see: Matthew Yglesias for a blogger version).

    For all the reasons both of you listed, the truly misinformed (or some may be delusional; think: Obama Fan Boys) are voting for Obama. It’s mind-numbing. Mostly, I blame the media propaganda, but at the same time, one should be able to ask basic questions like, “What exact change is he talking about? How is he going to do it? When has he ever done it?”

  • Northwest rain

    I agree: “the game has been rigged from the start.”

    We can assume that Donna Brazille is one of the riggers — although she continues to lie about her support for Obama.

    The whole caucus gaming was well planned.

    I live in a caucus state and I have NEVER seen the huge $$$ spent by a candidate in my rural voting district until this year by the Obama gang. In all previous years the candidate signs were hand lettered — and this year there were printed signs — lots of signs and buttons and other Obama advertising. Plus at least three of the Obama team had been to some sort of training camp — again this must have cost a lot of money.

    Since my graduate degree is in group dynamics — I know all of the techniques that the trained agitators used. I spotted the “community organizer” style of disruption used by the Obamabots.

    I’ve been attending caucuses in WA state since 1980 — and they are generally sparely attended. Jackson’s people were organized on the County level — but Jackson was far more into the details of his positions then trying to use Psych mind games to manipulate caucus goers. At the time Jackson had the best platform and details about his vision for his job as president. Dukakis was just not ready and I had already seen his fluff job as Governor in MA.

    In all earlier caucuses I had no feeling of the caucus being gamed — but this year it was so obvious that Obama had a unlimited budget to spend on even the rural areas.

    Obama came across as a BS artist in his speech at the o4 Dem convention — and my first impression of him hasn’t changed.

    It amazes me the people who should have common sense and should be able to see through this empty suit are impressed by his speeches. Take away his teleprompter and he’s a bumbling fool.

  • chris

    you make a valuable point about ‘trained agitators’. In my experience in a well known non-profit ‘peace organization, we have people who did not fit in exactly, but were always present when problems would arise. They were rarely seen as the source of the conflict because that isn’t what they did…they would simply point out the conflict, and then the infighting would ensue.

    This is one of the major themes of this election…When a house is divided upon itself, one should as…Who benefits?

  • cc1983

    I wrote the following for those folks who are sick to their stomachs that Florida and Michigan are being disenfranchised from this year’s election. I’m sending it to the super delegates in my state.

    ———————
    Fellowship of Independent-Minded American Voters…
    with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO DEMOCRACY
    -
    We belong to a ever growing multitude of independent-thinking American voters who UNASHAMEDLY and UNAPOLOGETICALLY support Hillary Rodham Clinton for President. Our roots in America’s cherished democratic experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are a formidable and enlightened group of people, one not to be ignored or silenced, who above all remain true to these United States, the land of opportunity and birthplace of American democracy. Unyielding determination to reclaim America‘s leadership standing, ensure fair representation and protect our nation underscore our support for Clinton’s candidacy and superintend our journey through these grueling long days of media self-servitude, mind-numbing fanaticism and blatant reverse racism. Our enduring love of country gives us the strength and courage to constantly challenge injustice and ensure the voices of ALL voters will be heard.
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    Democratic Value System
    As exemplified by Hillary Clinton‘s 35-year’s of proven public service, we believe in 12 core democratic tenets and principles. These pillars of democracy must be adhered to and observed in all primaries, caucuses and elections, wherever American voters are gathered to select leaders at the local, state and national levels. These ethics must reflect the following concepts:

    1. Commitment to Sovereignty of the People
    2. Commitment to Government of the People, by the People, and for the People
    3. Commitment to Free and Fair Elections
    4. Commitment to Freedom of Expression
    5. Disavowal of Racial Bigotry and Cultural Intolerance
    6. Dedication to Liberty
    7. Dedication to Basic Human Rights
    8. Dedication to Equal Representation for All
    9. Adherence to Due Process of Law
    10. Pledge to make economic and social opportunity available to all citizens
    11. Pledge allegiance to leadership who espouse values of tolerance, pragmatism, cooperation and compromise
    12. Personal commitment to embracing the Democratic Value System

  • http://www.google.com Jack-The-Ripper

    I Think Howard Dean,Donna Brazile,& The Entire DNC Party Need’s To Redue Their Basic Math Plan’s First Of All The White Population In This Country Is As Follow’s From 2006……Whites-73.9% Or 221.3 Million…..2.Black’s-12.2% Or 37.1 Million……3.Hispanics-14.8% Or 44.3 Million,Everyone Else Fall’s Under 10% Point’s.So Before I Continue Let Me Start By Saying I Am A Black Male Who Support Senator Clinton 150% Until The End Of This Farce That Those Three Incompetent’s That I Mentioned To Start This Paragraph Off.

    It’s Just One Little Problem That I Would Like To Have Answered,If Black’s Only Make Up About 12% Of The Voting Population,And The Hispanic Vote Is Going Toward’s Senator Clinton’s Campaign,Then How Is Mr Obama Winning When Consensus Say’s That White America Make Up 73.9% Of The Nation’s Vote.

    Would Someone Please Explain This One To me Please,Because It Certainly Is Not Black Voter’s Given Mr Obama A Free Reign,So Let’s See If We Can Put A Stop To Yhis Before It Get’s Out Of Hand Please,OH I’am Sorry It Already Has Gotten Out Of Hand,Hasn’t It.

    I Myself Cannot Vision Voting For Obama Under Any Circumstances,And Here’s Why.Mr Obama Has Done Absolutely Nothing While Working In The Senate,I’am Sorry Again I Meant (Present) Away From The Senate Out Of The Three Years That He Has Been MIA,And It Should Be Obvious That He Has Nothing To Show For His So-Called State Senate Resume.

    He Has Attacked Senator Clinton From The Day He Learned That He Were Behind In The Democratic Race,His Adviser’s Has Done The Same.He Lies Continiously Without Any Recourse,He Is Not A Great Orator It’s More Like A Plagilrar,And A Reciter From You Got It His Teleprompter.

    He Has No Shame How He,& His Supporter’s Carry Themselves When Congregating At Caucuses,That Should Not Be Allowed,Because It Does Not Support The Entire Population Of Those States,ERGO Not The Will Of The People,Like The Democratic Elite Are Trying To Sell Off To Us Puny Simpleton’s.

    He And His Supporter’s Have Somehow Forgotten And I Especially Mean Black’s What The Clinton’s Has Done For Our Race Over An 8 Year Period Only To Be Kicked To The Curb For A Man A Year Ago You Didn’t Even Know Existed,OK Then Two Year’s Ago I’am Not Giving You Anymore Than That Now,Let’s Play Fair.Alright You Talked Me Into It, 2 Year’s And A Half.

    The Point I’am Making Is Mr Obama Has Been Handed A Gift Horse For No Apparent Reason Other Than He Inspire’s People,He’s Charismatic,He Moves The Crowd,He Unites,Well We Found Out That, That One Were A Lie Didn’t We,He’s Honest Wait That Were A Lie Also.

    If I Had To Vote For President And Senator Clinton Were Not In It,I’d Make It My Business To Vote For Deputy Dog,At Least He Does His Job.

  • Fleaflicker

    This is excellent and would make a superb diary in itself.

  • Mary

    Frankly, I would also like to hear Keith Olberman or Chris Matthews explain to me how the 80% of the African American voters supporting Obama also represent the “better educated.”

    With all due respect.

  • Mary

    Or maybe she just knows, after years of experience, that the Adlai Stevenson far-left-wing liberals in our party never actually WIN presidential elections, and the moderates like Bill Clinton DO.

    Name me one really liberal Democrat who won the presidency. (Carter doesn’t count…he won because we all hated Nixon)

  • mimi

    My late, lunch-bucket father could have explained this: “there’s nothing worse than an educated fool.”

    I, too, have been impressed with Hillary’s command of the issues and turned off by BO’s inability to speak extemporaneously and show equal command on the issues. I am college educated and I’m AA. I understand full well why AAs ears are closed, but how do you explain all of these so-called educated white people? Some of it I attribute to liberal leftwing extremists. They hate the Clintons for moving the party to the center. Pure Hillary/Clinton-hatred. I also attribute it to a lot of young, naive, misinformed young people who are responding to Obama’s media appeal of seeming young, hip, cool and one of them. This is their opportunity to lay claim to their generational perogative. They have been disenchanted with government that appears old, stodgy and out-of touch. It’s boring to them. Obama livens things up, or so they think. They don’t realize that once he’s POTUS, he becomes part of the process set by the Constitution and unless we’re tossing that out, nothing will change.

    Frankly, I find this a bunch of crap. I came of age in during that infamous 1968 Convention. If anyone had a reason to be angry, feel betrayed, and think gov’t was old and out-of touch, it was my generation who was at war with the Establishment over Viet Nam. We weren’t just making snarking remarks. We were vocal, visible and out front protesting the War. Some of us were killed (Kent State, anyone?). And even though we lost the victory in 1968 and in 1972, etc., I never sat on my hands and didn’t participate in the election process. I call bullshit on a generation that feels that only Obama can pull them into the process. Hey guys, you all are citizens of the USA. It’s your obligation. You just don’t participate willy-nilly just because a candidate seems ‘cool.’ Government isn’t sexy. It’s like a lot of grown-up responsibilities.

    That’s why when I weighted the Democratic hopefuls, Obama wasn’t even’t in my ballpark. When it got down to 2, it was no contest.

  • Mary

    Yes, indeed.

    And don’t forget New Hampshire: Obama was going to “destroy” Clinton, and media was predicting she’d have to drop out.

    And then, after she obliterated him, the media tried to convince us all it was only because of the Bradley Effect, implying New Hampshire voters were racists.

    Puuuuhleeeeeze.

  • mimi

    And with all due respect Mary,

    I think AAs are mentioned as a separate voting group whenever the voting demographics are mentioned. I think if you read the article above closely, they certainly did that:

    “This Democratic primary contest has become a bitter fight between blacks and latinos, young and old, upscale and downscale—and academics and Jacksonians.”

    Blacks and latinos are considered minority voting blocs on their own merit. Academics and Jacksonians, even though many blacks and latinos may fall into each of those categories, are really implying white voters in those 2 groups.

    Impicit in your statement is the kind of tone that confirms among Obama supporters that Hillary’s white supporters are racist and are behaving this way because Obama is black.

    I mention this because it is critical that we stay on point about Obama’s qualifications, experience, his command of the issues and how the MSM is distorting every major aspect of this race including the fact that Hillary has support among educated people. BTW, what about AAs like me who don’t support Obama. Why no stories on us? Yes, we are a minority. But we still exist.

  • mimi

    I am so glad that you mentioned the Jackson Campaign of ’88. It seems that to mention it means you are marginalizing Obama. Since I’m an AA Hillry-supporter, maybe I can get away with it because it really explains why I don’t support Obama.

    I know a lot of white people have a knee-jerk reaction to Jackson. He certainly had to carry the baggage of that infamous remark he made and he, too, had a relationship with Farrakahn, who btw enjoys good relations with most of the AA community. I know white people hate this, but it’s a black thing and has all to do with the racism that still permeates the society. It’s a reaction and a defense against that. Period. And Farrakhan and his people have done excellent work with ex-prisoners. There’s no getting around that contribution and how meaningful it is for a community who is over-represented in the prison population.

    But people forget that Jackosn had a Rainbow Coalition and a platform that attracted not just AAs, but latinos, Native Americans and working class whites, all of whom felt screwed over Reaganomics at the time. In the end, Jackson did manage to get a thing or two into the Party Platform because he had registered, as I remember, some 7 million voters. Also, Ron Brown became the DNC Chairman and later Clinton’s Secretary of Commerce. And for all of Jackson’s so-called divisive, racist image, there was not the degree of animus that BO has generated this Primary cycle. People will say that was because Jackson was the ‘black’ candidate and really didn’t have a shot at the nomination. But I think that BO has run a way more polarizing campaign than Jesse Jackson, Sr. ever ran. He at least concentrated on the issues. He also didn’t play the race card and blame someone else. Dukakis’ loss was a reflection of his weakness as a candidate.

    Sadly, in the end, I feel he betrayed all of the Rainbow Coalition people who wanted to start a grassroots movement and he did so for personal gain. This is why I laugh out loud at people who claim Obama is antying but a self-serving politician. This is who these people are.

    So if all I’m getting is a politican, then I woant the most qualified to lead the country right now which is on the brink of ruin. Not some neophyte, who cant’ string 2 sentences together without a script, who has never travelled anywhere of note and who, pound for pound, is only in the first half of his first term as a US Senator. He’s been in the Senate 3 full years. He’s spent one of those years running for POTUS. Seriously, 2 years as US Senator compared to Hillary’s one full term plus? (And he can demean all of her exposure to the machinations of the WH and her travels as First Lady all he wants to, at least she’s been somewhere.)

    This gets more ludicrous as you break it down.

  • apishapa

    Something about this article just pissed me off.

    She is fighting fair and foul—think about her lies about being under fire in Bosnia—but she is still fighting, and Jacksonians may not hold her lies heavily against her.

    I find this objectionable pandering to Obama’s stupid “she’s a big fat liar” meme. To claim Hillary is an unrepentent liar and never once mention the whoppers coming from the Obama camp is just insulting.

    Mr. Barone may be trying to make a point that Hillary is a street fighter (and she is), but she has been much cleaner in that fight than the Precious. He is just given a pass again and again.

    The difference is that this story by Barone is given all kinds of kudos and he is never called to account for the fact that he is painting Obama as just so much above all this nasty fighting stuff. Obama would never lower himself to telling a lie or promougating a falsehood about Hillary telling a lie.

    When Obama or his surrogates “mispeak” it’s all good and just an accident, because he is (as he says endlessly) running a clean campaign. Since Obama says he never lies, he must be telling the truth.

    I believe Hillary is leading among those who admire her tenacity, but not because she is running any more of a dirty compaign than Obama. Many of us recognise that she is fighting against a media that misrepresents everything she says, and she responds with dignity and grace. She is a fighter, but she displays more patience and compassion than Mr. Wonderful every day.

    I know that accusing Hillary of being a liar was not the point of the article, but I am just really tired of these generalities being accpeted as true.

  • B-Rob

    What a bunch of hooey! Obama leads in total votes, delegates, and states won. You are telling me that all the people in Wyoming who gave him a near 40 point margin ara “academics” or Black? W.t.f. are you people smoking?

    You can slice, dice and make jullienne fries of the numbers however you want, but a few things should be clear:

    1) HC cannot win in pledged delegates.

    2) HC cannot raise money as well as Obama

    3) HC cannot properly handle the money she raises

    4) HC trails in popular vote, where Florida and Michigan are included, not included, or you exclude everone with red hair.

    5) Obama winning more states means HE had wider geographic appeal. C’mon, people . . Washington, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, Missouri, Mississippi, Georgia, Virginia, Maryland Conneticut, Maine, Vermont, Wisconsin . . . what region did I miss?

    Pennsylvania is closing fast. And now we get word that the head of her campaign is actively lobbying for Colombia’s free trade pact? The same one that Hugo Chavez trashed Obama for opposing? Can’t wait to hear HC spin that “sniper fire” in steel country!

  • B-Rob

    Nice try at changing the subject. But if you folks are going to try to use this inane thesis to your advantage, you will have to deal with the obviousl fallout of HC’s Munchausian tale of sniper fire.

  • B-Rob

    How were caucuses “rigged” from the start? It is an extremely old form of electorial decision making. And ANYONE could have done what Obama did, which was ORGANIZE IN EVERY STATE REGARDLESS OF WHO THAT STATE VOTED FOR IN 2004 OR 2000!

    It is almost as if a football team protests a loss because the opposition practiced harder and had a better play book! Hello, people! That is what they are SUPPOSED to do! As Jets Coach Herm Edwards said: You play to win the game! You don’t play the game just to play it!

    Obama planned, outworked and outhustled the Hillary people. That does mean anything was “rigged.” It just means you got your a$$ kicked by a superior campaign team. I mean . . seriously, lets look at this week’s news:

    Two more Red State superdelegates come out for Obama (not to mention Jimmy Carter leaning Obama); Bill Clinton has a tirade whining about the Richardson endorsement of Obama; Obama doubles Hillary’s fundraising; we learn she has not paid her bills, including health insurance premiums for her own campaign workers; Obama won more delegates in Texas; Obama gets trashed by nutcake Hugo Chavez for opposing a Colombia free trade deal; and HC’s chief campaign boss is on the payroll for the same Colombians! Is it any wonder that Pennsylvania, too, is starting to tilt Obama’s way?

  • apishapa

    What I am saying is Obama tells one lie after another and he is never called on it. Yet, Hillary tells one lie or misstatement about being under sniper fire rather than under threat of sniper fire as verified by the military and she is labelled a serial liar. Examples of Obama’s misrepresentations include:

    1. He has given at least five different explanations of NAFTAgate. Some of these have been proven to be outright lies (“no meeting ever happened” for instance).

    2. Obama has given several different stories concerning when or whether he ever in 20 years of attending church heard Reverand Wright speak racial hatred in person or even if he ever knew that the Rev had made such statements. He apparently did not ever watch any of his mentor’s tapes and never read his bulletin.

    3. He acknowledges recently that many of the stories and persons represented in his autobiographical books are either embellished or untrue. He chenged events to make his points. Kind of like Jesus and parables.

    4. Obama lied about his grandmother’s racist remarks for Chists’ sake At least either he is lying now or he lied in his book.

    5. Obama lies about passing Nuclear Regulations

    6. Obama claims not to take money from lobbyists. LIE.

    Gosh it just goes on forever. The point is Obama makes hundreds of misstatements. Practically every day a new one comes out. Not a fucking word in the MSM.

    Hillary makes one misstatement, which she acknowldges and explains. Several high level military and diplomatic officials corroborate that this was a dangerous situation and that though there was not sniper fire at that moment, at the airport, there had been sniper fire there and there was sniper fire in the nearby hills. Four weeks later Mr. Clean Campaign is still flogging that dead horse.

    So, fine we will admit Hillary missppoke about Basnia. Let’s hear Oabambots own up to dozens of Obama lies.

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