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		<title>By: apishapa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-179319</link>
		<dc:creator>apishapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I am saying is Obama tells one lie after another and he is never called on it. Yet, Hillary tells one lie or misstatement about being under sniper fire rather than under &lt;strong&gt;threat&lt;/strong&gt; of sniper fire as verified by the military and she is labelled a serial liar. Examples of Obama&#039;s misrepresentations include:

1. He has given at least five different explanations of NAFTAgate. Some of these have been proven to be outright lies (&quot;no meeting ever happened&quot; for instance).

2. Obama has given several different stories concerning when or whether he ever in 20 years of attending church heard Reverand Wright speak racial hatred in person or even if he ever knew that the Rev had made such statements. He apparently did not ever watch any of his mentor&#039;s tapes and never read his bulletin.

3. He acknowledges recently that many of the stories and persons represented in his autobiographical books are either embellished or untrue. He chenged events to make his points. Kind of like Jesus and parables.

4. Obama lied about his grandmother&#039;s racist remarks for Chists&#039; sake At least either he is lying now or he lied in his book.

5. Obama lies about passing Nuclear Regulations

6. Obama claims not to take money from lobbyists. LIE.

Gosh it just goes on forever. The point is &lt;strong&gt;Obama makes hundreds of misstatements&lt;/strong&gt;. Practically every day a new one comes out. Not a fucking word in the MSM. 

Hillary makes one misstatement, which she acknowldges and explains. Several high level military and diplomatic officials corroborate that this was a dangerous situation and that though there was not sniper fire at that moment, at the airport, there had been sniper fire there and there was sniper fire in the nearby hills. Four weeks later Mr. Clean Campaign is still flogging that dead horse. 

So, fine we will admit Hillary missppoke about Basnia. Let&#039;s hear Oabambots own up to dozens of Obama lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I am saying is Obama tells one lie after another and he is never called on it. Yet, Hillary tells one lie or misstatement about being under sniper fire rather than under <strong>threat</strong> of sniper fire as verified by the military and she is labelled a serial liar. Examples of Obama&#8217;s misrepresentations include:</p>
<p>1. He has given at least five different explanations of NAFTAgate. Some of these have been proven to be outright lies (&#8220;no meeting ever happened&#8221; for instance).</p>
<p>2. Obama has given several different stories concerning when or whether he ever in 20 years of attending church heard Reverand Wright speak racial hatred in person or even if he ever knew that the Rev had made such statements. He apparently did not ever watch any of his mentor&#8217;s tapes and never read his bulletin.</p>
<p>3. He acknowledges recently that many of the stories and persons represented in his autobiographical books are either embellished or untrue. He chenged events to make his points. Kind of like Jesus and parables.</p>
<p>4. Obama lied about his grandmother&#8217;s racist remarks for Chists&#8217; sake At least either he is lying now or he lied in his book.</p>
<p>5. Obama lies about passing Nuclear Regulations</p>
<p>6. Obama claims not to take money from lobbyists. LIE.</p>
<p>Gosh it just goes on forever. The point is <strong>Obama makes hundreds of misstatements</strong>. Practically every day a new one comes out. Not a fucking word in the MSM. </p>
<p>Hillary makes one misstatement, which she acknowldges and explains. Several high level military and diplomatic officials corroborate that this was a dangerous situation and that though there was not sniper fire at that moment, at the airport, there had been sniper fire there and there was sniper fire in the nearby hills. Four weeks later Mr. Clean Campaign is still flogging that dead horse. </p>
<p>So, fine we will admit Hillary missppoke about Basnia. Let&#8217;s hear Oabambots own up to dozens of Obama lies.</p>
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		<title>By: B-Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-179293</link>
		<dc:creator>B-Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How were caucuses &quot;rigged&quot; from the start? It is an extremely old form of electorial decision making.  And ANYONE could have done what Obama did, which was ORGANIZE IN EVERY STATE REGARDLESS OF WHO THAT STATE VOTED FOR IN 2004 OR 2000!

It is almost as if a football team protests a loss because the opposition practiced harder and had a better play book!  Hello, people!  That is what they are SUPPOSED to do!  As Jets Coach Herm Edwards said: You play to win the game!  You don&#039;t play the game just to play it! 

Obama planned, outworked and outhustled the Hillary people.  That does mean anything was &quot;rigged.&quot;  It just means you got your a$$ kicked by a superior campaign team.  I mean . . seriously, lets look at this week&#039;s news:

Two more Red State superdelegates come out for Obama (not to mention Jimmy Carter leaning Obama); Bill Clinton has a tirade whining about the Richardson endorsement of Obama; Obama doubles Hillary&#039;s fundraising; we learn she has not paid her bills, including health insurance premiums for her own campaign workers; Obama won more delegates in Texas; Obama gets trashed by nutcake Hugo Chavez for opposing a Colombia free trade deal; and HC&#039;s chief campaign boss is on the payroll for the same Colombians!  Is it any wonder that Pennsylvania, too, is starting to tilt Obama&#039;s way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How were caucuses &#8220;rigged&#8221; from the start? It is an extremely old form of electorial decision making.  And ANYONE could have done what Obama did, which was ORGANIZE IN EVERY STATE REGARDLESS OF WHO THAT STATE VOTED FOR IN 2004 OR 2000!</p>
<p>It is almost as if a football team protests a loss because the opposition practiced harder and had a better play book!  Hello, people!  That is what they are SUPPOSED to do!  As Jets Coach Herm Edwards said: You play to win the game!  You don&#8217;t play the game just to play it! </p>
<p>Obama planned, outworked and outhustled the Hillary people.  That does mean anything was &#8220;rigged.&#8221;  It just means you got your a$$ kicked by a superior campaign team.  I mean . . seriously, lets look at this week&#8217;s news:</p>
<p>Two more Red State superdelegates come out for Obama (not to mention Jimmy Carter leaning Obama); Bill Clinton has a tirade whining about the Richardson endorsement of Obama; Obama doubles Hillary&#8217;s fundraising; we learn she has not paid her bills, including health insurance premiums for her own campaign workers; Obama won more delegates in Texas; Obama gets trashed by nutcake Hugo Chavez for opposing a Colombia free trade deal; and HC&#8217;s chief campaign boss is on the payroll for the same Colombians!  Is it any wonder that Pennsylvania, too, is starting to tilt Obama&#8217;s way?</p>
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		<title>By: B-Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-179291</link>
		<dc:creator>B-Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try at changing the subject.  But if you folks are going to try to use this inane thesis to your advantage, you will have to deal with the obviousl fallout of HC&#039;s Munchausian tale of sniper fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try at changing the subject.  But if you folks are going to try to use this inane thesis to your advantage, you will have to deal with the obviousl fallout of HC&#8217;s Munchausian tale of sniper fire.</p>
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		<title>By: B-Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-179286</link>
		<dc:creator>B-Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bunch of hooey!  Obama leads in total votes, delegates, and states won.  You are telling me that all the people in Wyoming who gave him a near 40 point margin ara &quot;academics&quot; or Black?  W.t.f. are you people smoking?

You can slice, dice and make jullienne fries of the numbers however you want, but a few things should be clear:

1) HC cannot win in pledged delegates.

2) HC cannot raise money as well as Obama

3) HC cannot properly handle the money she raises

4) HC trails in popular vote, where Florida and Michigan are included, not included, or you exclude everone with red hair.

5) Obama winning more states means HE had wider geographic appeal.  C&#039;mon, people . .  Washington, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, Missouri, Mississippi, Georgia, Virginia, Maryland Conneticut, Maine, Vermont, Wisconsin . . . what region did I miss?

Pennsylvania is closing fast.  And now we get word that the head of her campaign is actively lobbying for Colombia&#039;s free trade pact?  The same one that Hugo Chavez trashed Obama for opposing?  Can&#039;t wait to hear HC spin that &quot;sniper fire&quot; in steel country!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of hooey!  Obama leads in total votes, delegates, and states won.  You are telling me that all the people in Wyoming who gave him a near 40 point margin ara &#8220;academics&#8221; or Black?  W.t.f. are you people smoking?</p>
<p>You can slice, dice and make jullienne fries of the numbers however you want, but a few things should be clear:</p>
<p>1) HC cannot win in pledged delegates.</p>
<p>2) HC cannot raise money as well as Obama</p>
<p>3) HC cannot properly handle the money she raises</p>
<p>4) HC trails in popular vote, where Florida and Michigan are included, not included, or you exclude everone with red hair.</p>
<p>5) Obama winning more states means HE had wider geographic appeal.  C&#8217;mon, people . .  Washington, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, Missouri, Mississippi, Georgia, Virginia, Maryland Conneticut, Maine, Vermont, Wisconsin . . . what region did I miss?</p>
<p>Pennsylvania is closing fast.  And now we get word that the head of her campaign is actively lobbying for Colombia&#8217;s free trade pact?  The same one that Hugo Chavez trashed Obama for opposing?  Can&#8217;t wait to hear HC spin that &#8220;sniper fire&#8221; in steel country!</p>
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		<title>By: apishapa</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-179263</link>
		<dc:creator>apishapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 19:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something about this article just pissed me off. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;She is fighting fair and foul—think about her lies about being under fire in Bosnia—but she is still fighting, and Jacksonians may not hold her lies heavily against her.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

I find this objectionable pandering to Obama&#039;s stupid &quot;she&#039;s a big fat liar&quot; meme. To claim Hillary is an unrepentent liar and &lt;em&gt;never once &lt;/em&gt;mention the &lt;strong&gt;whoppers&lt;/strong&gt; coming from the Obama camp is just insulting. 

Mr. Barone may be trying to make a point that Hillary is a street fighter (and she is), but she has been much cleaner in that fight than the Precious. He is just given a pass again and again.

The difference is that this story by Barone is given all kinds of kudos and he is never called to account for the fact that he is painting Obama as just so much above all this nasty fighting stuff. Obama would never lower himself to telling a lie or promougating a falsehood about Hillary telling a lie. 

When Obama or his surrogates &quot;mispeak&quot; it&#039;s all good and just an accident, because he is (as he says &lt;em&gt;endlessly&lt;/em&gt;) running a clean campaign. Since Obama says he never lies, he must be telling the truth.

I believe Hillary is leading among those who admire her tenacity, but not because she is running any more of a dirty compaign than Obama. Many of us recognise that she is fighting against a media that misrepresents everything she says, and she responds with dignity and grace. She is a fighter, but she displays more patience and compassion than Mr. Wonderful every day.

I know that accusing Hillary of being a liar was not the point of the article, but I am just really tired of these generalities being accpeted as true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something about this article just pissed me off. </p>
<blockquote><p>She is fighting fair and foul—think about her lies about being under fire in Bosnia—but she is still fighting, and Jacksonians may not hold her lies heavily against her.</p></blockquote>
<p>I find this objectionable pandering to Obama&#8217;s stupid &#8220;she&#8217;s a big fat liar&#8221; meme. To claim Hillary is an unrepentent liar and <em>never once </em>mention the <strong>whoppers</strong> coming from the Obama camp is just insulting. </p>
<p>Mr. Barone may be trying to make a point that Hillary is a street fighter (and she is), but she has been much cleaner in that fight than the Precious. He is just given a pass again and again.</p>
<p>The difference is that this story by Barone is given all kinds of kudos and he is never called to account for the fact that he is painting Obama as just so much above all this nasty fighting stuff. Obama would never lower himself to telling a lie or promougating a falsehood about Hillary telling a lie. </p>
<p>When Obama or his surrogates &#8220;mispeak&#8221; it&#8217;s all good and just an accident, because he is (as he says <em>endlessly</em>) running a clean campaign. Since Obama says he never lies, he must be telling the truth.</p>
<p>I believe Hillary is leading among those who admire her tenacity, but not because she is running any more of a dirty compaign than Obama. Many of us recognise that she is fighting against a media that misrepresents everything she says, and she responds with dignity and grace. She is a fighter, but she displays more patience and compassion than Mr. Wonderful every day.</p>
<p>I know that accusing Hillary of being a liar was not the point of the article, but I am just really tired of these generalities being accpeted as true.</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad that you mentioned the Jackson Campaign of &#039;88. It seems that to mention it means you are marginalizing Obama. Since I&#039;m an AA Hillry-supporter, maybe I can get away with it because it really explains why I don&#039;t support Obama.

I know a lot of white people have a knee-jerk reaction to Jackson. He certainly had to carry the baggage of that infamous remark he made and he, too, had a relationship with Farrakahn, who btw enjoys good relations with most of the AA community. I know white people hate this, but it&#039;s a black thing and has all to do with the racism that still permeates the society. It&#039;s a reaction and a defense against that. Period. And Farrakhan and his people have done excellent work with ex-prisoners. There&#039;s no getting around that contribution and how meaningful it is for a community who is over-represented in the prison population.

But people forget that Jackosn had a Rainbow Coalition and a platform that attracted not just AAs, but latinos, Native Americans and working class whites, all of whom felt screwed over Reaganomics at the time. In the end, Jackson did manage to get a thing or two into the Party Platform because he had registered, as I remember, some 7 million voters. Also, Ron Brown became the DNC Chairman and later Clinton&#039;s Secretary of Commerce. And for all of Jackson&#039;s so-called divisive, racist image, there was not the degree of animus that BO has generated this Primary cycle. People will say that was because Jackson was the &#039;black&#039; candidate and really didn&#039;t have a shot at the nomination. But I think that BO has run a way more polarizing campaign than Jesse Jackson, Sr. ever ran. He at least concentrated on the issues. He also didn&#039;t play the race card and blame someone else. Dukakis&#039; loss was a reflection of his weakness as a candidate.

Sadly, in the end, I feel he betrayed all of the Rainbow Coalition people who wanted to start a grassroots movement and he did so for personal gain. This is why I laugh out loud at people who claim Obama is antying but a self-serving politician. This is who these people are.

So if all I&#039;m getting is a politican, then I woant the most qualified to lead the country right now which is on the brink of ruin. Not some neophyte, who cant&#039; string 2 sentences together without a script, who has never travelled anywhere of note and who, pound for pound, is only in the first half of his first term as a US Senator. He&#039;s been in the Senate 3 full years. He&#039;s spent one of those years running for POTUS. Seriously, 2 years as US Senator compared to Hillary&#039;s one full term plus? (And he can demean all of her exposure to the machinations of the WH and her travels as First Lady all he wants to, at least she&#039;s been somewhere.)

This gets more ludicrous as you break it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad that you mentioned the Jackson Campaign of &#8217;88. It seems that to mention it means you are marginalizing Obama. Since I&#8217;m an AA Hillry-supporter, maybe I can get away with it because it really explains why I don&#8217;t support Obama.</p>
<p>I know a lot of white people have a knee-jerk reaction to Jackson. He certainly had to carry the baggage of that infamous remark he made and he, too, had a relationship with Farrakahn, who btw enjoys good relations with most of the AA community. I know white people hate this, but it&#8217;s a black thing and has all to do with the racism that still permeates the society. It&#8217;s a reaction and a defense against that. Period. And Farrakhan and his people have done excellent work with ex-prisoners. There&#8217;s no getting around that contribution and how meaningful it is for a community who is over-represented in the prison population.</p>
<p>But people forget that Jackosn had a Rainbow Coalition and a platform that attracted not just AAs, but latinos, Native Americans and working class whites, all of whom felt screwed over Reaganomics at the time. In the end, Jackson did manage to get a thing or two into the Party Platform because he had registered, as I remember, some 7 million voters. Also, Ron Brown became the DNC Chairman and later Clinton&#8217;s Secretary of Commerce. And for all of Jackson&#8217;s so-called divisive, racist image, there was not the degree of animus that BO has generated this Primary cycle. People will say that was because Jackson was the &#8216;black&#8217; candidate and really didn&#8217;t have a shot at the nomination. But I think that BO has run a way more polarizing campaign than Jesse Jackson, Sr. ever ran. He at least concentrated on the issues. He also didn&#8217;t play the race card and blame someone else. Dukakis&#8217; loss was a reflection of his weakness as a candidate.</p>
<p>Sadly, in the end, I feel he betrayed all of the Rainbow Coalition people who wanted to start a grassroots movement and he did so for personal gain. This is why I laugh out loud at people who claim Obama is antying but a self-serving politician. This is who these people are.</p>
<p>So if all I&#8217;m getting is a politican, then I woant the most qualified to lead the country right now which is on the brink of ruin. Not some neophyte, who cant&#8217; string 2 sentences together without a script, who has never travelled anywhere of note and who, pound for pound, is only in the first half of his first term as a US Senator. He&#8217;s been in the Senate 3 full years. He&#8217;s spent one of those years running for POTUS. Seriously, 2 years as US Senator compared to Hillary&#8217;s one full term plus? (And he can demean all of her exposure to the machinations of the WH and her travels as First Lady all he wants to, at least she&#8217;s been somewhere.)</p>
<p>This gets more ludicrous as you break it down.</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And with all due respect Mary,

I think AAs are mentioned as a separate voting group whenever the voting demographics are mentioned. I think if you read the article above closely, they certainly did that:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;This Democratic primary contest has become a bitter fight between blacks and latinos, young and old, upscale and downscale—and academics and Jacksonians.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Blacks and latinos are considered minority voting blocs on their own merit. Academics and Jacksonians, even though many blacks and latinos may fall into each of those categories, are really implying white voters in those 2 groups.

Impicit in your statement is the kind of tone that confirms among Obama supporters that Hillary&#039;s white supporters are racist and are behaving this way because Obama is black.

I mention this because it is critical that we stay on point about Obama&#039;s qualifications, experience, his command of the issues and how the MSM  is distorting every major aspect of this race including the fact that Hillary has support among educated people. BTW, what about AAs like me who don&#039;t support Obama. Why no stories on us? Yes, we are a minority. But we still exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And with all due respect Mary,</p>
<p>I think AAs are mentioned as a separate voting group whenever the voting demographics are mentioned. I think if you read the article above closely, they certainly did that:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;This Democratic primary contest has become a bitter fight between blacks and latinos, young and old, upscale and downscale—and academics and Jacksonians.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Blacks and latinos are considered minority voting blocs on their own merit. Academics and Jacksonians, even though many blacks and latinos may fall into each of those categories, are really implying white voters in those 2 groups.</p>
<p>Impicit in your statement is the kind of tone that confirms among Obama supporters that Hillary&#8217;s white supporters are racist and are behaving this way because Obama is black.</p>
<p>I mention this because it is critical that we stay on point about Obama&#8217;s qualifications, experience, his command of the issues and how the MSM  is distorting every major aspect of this race including the fact that Hillary has support among educated people. BTW, what about AAs like me who don&#8217;t support Obama. Why no stories on us? Yes, we are a minority. But we still exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, indeed. 

And  don&#039;t  forget  New  Hampshire:  Obama  was   going  to  &quot;destroy&quot;  Clinton,  and  media  was  predicting  she&#039;d  have  to drop out.    

And  then,  after  she  obliterated   him,  the media   tried  to convince  us  all  it  was only  because  of the  Bradley  Effect,  implying  New Hampshire  voters  were  racists.  

Puuuuhleeeeeze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, indeed. </p>
<p>And  don&#8217;t  forget  New  Hampshire:  Obama  was   going  to  &#8220;destroy&#8221;  Clinton,  and  media  was  predicting  she&#8217;d  have  to drop out.    </p>
<p>And  then,  after  she  obliterated   him,  the media   tried  to convince  us  all  it  was only  because  of the  Bradley  Effect,  implying  New Hampshire  voters  were  racists.  </p>
<p>Puuuuhleeeeeze.</p>
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		<title>By: mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My late, lunch-bucket father could have explained this: &quot;there&#039;s nothing worse than an &lt;strong&gt;educated fool&lt;/strong&gt;.&quot;

I, too, have been impressed with Hillary&#039;s command of the issues and turned off by BO&#039;s inability to speak extemporaneously and show equal command on the issues. I am college educated and I&#039;m AA. I understand full well why AAs ears are closed, but how do you explain all of these so-called educated white people? Some of it I attribute to liberal leftwing extremists. They hate the Clintons for moving the party to the center. Pure Hillary/Clinton-hatred. I also attribute it to a lot of young, naive, misinformed young people who are responding to Obama&#039;s media appeal of seeming young, hip, cool and one of them. This is their opportunity to lay claim to their generational perogative. They have been disenchanted with government that appears old, stodgy and out-of touch. It&#039;s boring to them. Obama livens things up, or so they think. They don&#039;t realize that once he&#039;s POTUS, he becomes part of the process set by the Constitution and unless we&#039;re tossing that out, nothing will change.

Frankly, I find this a bunch of crap. I came of age in during that infamous 1968 Convention. If anyone had a reason to be angry, feel betrayed, and think gov&#039;t was old and out-of touch, it was my generation who was at war with the Establishment over Viet Nam. We weren&#039;t just making snarking remarks. We were vocal, visible and out front protesting the War. Some of us were killed (Kent State, anyone?). And even though we lost the victory in 1968 and in 1972, etc., I never sat on my hands and didn&#039;t participate in the election process. I call bullshit on a generation that feels that only Obama can pull them into the process. Hey guys, you  all are citizens of the USA. It&#039;s your obligation. You just don&#039;t participate willy-nilly just because a candidate seems &#039;cool.&#039; Government isn&#039;t sexy. It&#039;s like a lot of grown-up responsibilities.

That&#039;s why when I weighted the Democratic hopefuls, Obama wasn&#039;t even&#039;t in my ballpark. When it got down to 2, it was no contest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My late, lunch-bucket father could have explained this: &#8220;there&#8217;s nothing worse than an <strong>educated fool</strong>.&#8221;</p>
<p>I, too, have been impressed with Hillary&#8217;s command of the issues and turned off by BO&#8217;s inability to speak extemporaneously and show equal command on the issues. I am college educated and I&#8217;m AA. I understand full well why AAs ears are closed, but how do you explain all of these so-called educated white people? Some of it I attribute to liberal leftwing extremists. They hate the Clintons for moving the party to the center. Pure Hillary/Clinton-hatred. I also attribute it to a lot of young, naive, misinformed young people who are responding to Obama&#8217;s media appeal of seeming young, hip, cool and one of them. This is their opportunity to lay claim to their generational perogative. They have been disenchanted with government that appears old, stodgy and out-of touch. It&#8217;s boring to them. Obama livens things up, or so they think. They don&#8217;t realize that once he&#8217;s POTUS, he becomes part of the process set by the Constitution and unless we&#8217;re tossing that out, nothing will change.</p>
<p>Frankly, I find this a bunch of crap. I came of age in during that infamous 1968 Convention. If anyone had a reason to be angry, feel betrayed, and think gov&#8217;t was old and out-of touch, it was my generation who was at war with the Establishment over Viet Nam. We weren&#8217;t just making snarking remarks. We were vocal, visible and out front protesting the War. Some of us were killed (Kent State, anyone?). And even though we lost the victory in 1968 and in 1972, etc., I never sat on my hands and didn&#8217;t participate in the election process. I call bullshit on a generation that feels that only Obama can pull them into the process. Hey guys, you  all are citizens of the USA. It&#8217;s your obligation. You just don&#8217;t participate willy-nilly just because a candidate seems &#8216;cool.&#8217; Government isn&#8217;t sexy. It&#8217;s like a lot of grown-up responsibilities.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why when I weighted the Democratic hopefuls, Obama wasn&#8217;t even&#8217;t in my ballpark. When it got down to 2, it was no contest.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-179065</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or  maybe  she   just  knows, after  years of  experience,   that  the  Adlai  Stevenson  far-left-wing  liberals in our  party  never  actually  WIN   presidential  elections,    and  the moderates  like  Bill Clinton    DO.    

Name   me  one   really  liberal  Democrat   who  won  the presidency.  (Carter  doesn&#039;t  count...he  won  because  we  all hated  Nixon)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or  maybe  she   just  knows, after  years of  experience,   that  the  Adlai  Stevenson  far-left-wing  liberals in our  party  never  actually  WIN   presidential  elections,    and  the moderates  like  Bill Clinton    DO.    </p>
<p>Name   me  one   really  liberal  Democrat   who  won  the presidency.  (Carter  doesn&#8217;t  count&#8230;he  won  because  we  all hated  Nixon)</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-179060</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 16:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly,  I  would  also  like  to hear  Keith Olberman   or   Chris  Matthews  explain  to me  how  the   80%  of  the  African American  voters  supporting   Obama  also  represent  the  &quot;better  educated.&quot;     

With  all  due respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly,  I  would  also  like  to hear  Keith Olberman   or   Chris  Matthews  explain  to me  how  the   80%  of  the  African American  voters  supporting   Obama  also  represent  the  &#8220;better  educated.&#8221;     </p>
<p>With  all  due respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Fleaflicker</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-178969</link>
		<dc:creator>Fleaflicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is excellent and would make a superb diary in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is excellent and would make a superb diary in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack-The-Ripper</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-178959</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack-The-Ripper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I Think Howard Dean,Donna Brazile,&amp; The Entire DNC Party Need&#039;s To Redue Their Basic Math Plan&#039;s First Of All The White Population In This Country Is As Follow&#039;s From 2006......Whites-73.9% Or 221.3 Million.....2.Black&#039;s-12.2% Or 37.1 Million......3.Hispanics-14.8% Or 44.3 Million,Everyone Else Fall&#039;s Under 10% Point&#039;s.So Before I Continue Let Me Start By Saying I Am A Black Male Who Support Senator Clinton 150% Until The End Of This Farce That Those Three Incompetent&#039;s That I Mentioned To Start This Paragraph Off.

It&#039;s Just One Little Problem That I Would Like To Have Answered,If Black&#039;s Only Make Up About 12% Of The Voting Population,And The Hispanic Vote Is Going Toward&#039;s Senator Clinton&#039;s Campaign,Then How Is Mr Obama Winning When Consensus Say&#039;s That White America Make Up 73.9% Of The Nation&#039;s Vote.

Would Someone Please Explain This One To me Please,Because It Certainly Is Not Black Voter&#039;s Given Mr Obama A Free Reign,So Let&#039;s See If We Can Put A Stop To Yhis Before It Get&#039;s Out Of Hand Please,OH I&#039;am Sorry It Already Has Gotten Out Of Hand,Hasn&#039;t It.

I Myself Cannot Vision Voting For Obama Under Any Circumstances,And Here&#039;s Why.Mr Obama Has Done Absolutely Nothing While Working In The Senate,I&#039;am Sorry Again I Meant (Present) Away From The Senate Out Of The Three Years That He Has Been MIA,And It Should Be Obvious That He Has Nothing To Show For His So-Called State Senate Resume.

He Has Attacked Senator Clinton From The Day He Learned That He Were Behind In The Democratic Race,His Adviser&#039;s Has Done The Same.He Lies Continiously Without Any Recourse,He Is Not A Great Orator It&#039;s More Like A Plagilrar,And A Reciter From You Got It His Teleprompter.

He Has No Shame How He,&amp; His Supporter&#039;s Carry Themselves When Congregating At Caucuses,That Should Not Be Allowed,Because It Does Not Support The Entire Population Of Those States,ERGO Not The Will Of The People,Like The Democratic Elite Are Trying To Sell Off To Us Puny Simpleton&#039;s.

He And His Supporter&#039;s Have Somehow Forgotten And I Especially Mean Black&#039;s What The Clinton&#039;s Has Done For Our Race Over An 8 Year Period Only To Be Kicked To The Curb For A Man A Year Ago You Didn&#039;t Even Know Existed,OK Then Two Year&#039;s Ago I&#039;am Not Giving You Anymore Than That Now,Let&#039;s Play Fair.Alright You Talked Me Into It, 2 Year&#039;s And A Half.

The Point I&#039;am Making Is Mr Obama Has Been Handed A Gift Horse For No Apparent Reason Other Than He Inspire&#039;s People,He&#039;s Charismatic,He Moves The Crowd,He Unites,Well We Found Out That, That One Were A Lie Didn&#039;t We,He&#039;s Honest Wait That Were A Lie Also.

If I Had To Vote For President And Senator Clinton Were Not In It,I&#039;d Make It My Business To Vote For Deputy Dog,At Least He Does His Job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I Think Howard Dean,Donna Brazile,&amp; The Entire DNC Party Need&#8217;s To Redue Their Basic Math Plan&#8217;s First Of All The White Population In This Country Is As Follow&#8217;s From 2006&#8230;&#8230;Whites-73.9% Or 221.3 Million&#8230;..2.Black&#8217;s-12.2% Or 37.1 Million&#8230;&#8230;3.Hispanics-14.8% Or 44.3 Million,Everyone Else Fall&#8217;s Under 10% Point&#8217;s.So Before I Continue Let Me Start By Saying I Am A Black Male Who Support Senator Clinton 150% Until The End Of This Farce That Those Three Incompetent&#8217;s That I Mentioned To Start This Paragraph Off.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Just One Little Problem That I Would Like To Have Answered,If Black&#8217;s Only Make Up About 12% Of The Voting Population,And The Hispanic Vote Is Going Toward&#8217;s Senator Clinton&#8217;s Campaign,Then How Is Mr Obama Winning When Consensus Say&#8217;s That White America Make Up 73.9% Of The Nation&#8217;s Vote.</p>
<p>Would Someone Please Explain This One To me Please,Because It Certainly Is Not Black Voter&#8217;s Given Mr Obama A Free Reign,So Let&#8217;s See If We Can Put A Stop To Yhis Before It Get&#8217;s Out Of Hand Please,OH I&#8217;am Sorry It Already Has Gotten Out Of Hand,Hasn&#8217;t It.</p>
<p>I Myself Cannot Vision Voting For Obama Under Any Circumstances,And Here&#8217;s Why.Mr Obama Has Done Absolutely Nothing While Working In The Senate,I&#8217;am Sorry Again I Meant (Present) Away From The Senate Out Of The Three Years That He Has Been MIA,And It Should Be Obvious That He Has Nothing To Show For His So-Called State Senate Resume.</p>
<p>He Has Attacked Senator Clinton From The Day He Learned That He Were Behind In The Democratic Race,His Adviser&#8217;s Has Done The Same.He Lies Continiously Without Any Recourse,He Is Not A Great Orator It&#8217;s More Like A Plagilrar,And A Reciter From You Got It His Teleprompter.</p>
<p>He Has No Shame How He,&amp; His Supporter&#8217;s Carry Themselves When Congregating At Caucuses,That Should Not Be Allowed,Because It Does Not Support The Entire Population Of Those States,ERGO Not The Will Of The People,Like The Democratic Elite Are Trying To Sell Off To Us Puny Simpleton&#8217;s.</p>
<p>He And His Supporter&#8217;s Have Somehow Forgotten And I Especially Mean Black&#8217;s What The Clinton&#8217;s Has Done For Our Race Over An 8 Year Period Only To Be Kicked To The Curb For A Man A Year Ago You Didn&#8217;t Even Know Existed,OK Then Two Year&#8217;s Ago I&#8217;am Not Giving You Anymore Than That Now,Let&#8217;s Play Fair.Alright You Talked Me Into It, 2 Year&#8217;s And A Half.</p>
<p>The Point I&#8217;am Making Is Mr Obama Has Been Handed A Gift Horse For No Apparent Reason Other Than He Inspire&#8217;s People,He&#8217;s Charismatic,He Moves The Crowd,He Unites,Well We Found Out That, That One Were A Lie Didn&#8217;t We,He&#8217;s Honest Wait That Were A Lie Also.</p>
<p>If I Had To Vote For President And Senator Clinton Were Not In It,I&#8217;d Make It My Business To Vote For Deputy Dog,At Least He Does His Job.</p>
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		<title>By: cc1983</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-178893</link>
		<dc:creator>cc1983</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote the following for those folks who are sick to their stomachs that Florida and Michigan are being disenfranchised from this year&#039;s election. I&#039;m sending it to the super delegates in my state.

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Fellowship of Independent-Minded American Voters…
with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO DEMOCRACY
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We belong to a ever growing multitude of independent-thinking American voters who UNASHAMEDLY and UNAPOLOGETICALLY support Hillary Rodham Clinton for President. Our roots in America’s cherished democratic experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are a formidable and enlightened group of people, one not to be ignored or silenced, who above all remain true to these United States, the land of opportunity and birthplace of American democracy. Unyielding determination to reclaim America‘s leadership standing, ensure fair representation and protect our nation underscore our support for Clinton’s candidacy and superintend our journey through these grueling long days of media self-servitude, mind-numbing fanaticism and blatant reverse racism. Our enduring love of country gives us the strength and courage to constantly challenge injustice and ensure the voices of ALL voters will be heard.
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Democratic Value System
As exemplified by Hillary Clinton‘s 35-year’s of proven public service, we believe in 12 core democratic tenets and principles. These pillars of democracy must be adhered to and observed in all primaries, caucuses and elections, wherever American voters are gathered to select leaders at the local, state and national levels. These ethics must reflect the following concepts:

1. Commitment to Sovereignty of the People
2. Commitment to Government of the People, by the People, and for the People
3. Commitment to Free and Fair Elections
4. Commitment to Freedom of Expression
5. Disavowal of Racial Bigotry and Cultural Intolerance
6. Dedication to Liberty
7. Dedication to Basic Human Rights
8. Dedication to Equal Representation for All
9. Adherence to Due Process of Law
10. Pledge to make economic and social opportunity available to all citizens
11. Pledge allegiance to leadership who espouse values of tolerance, pragmatism, cooperation and compromise
12. Personal commitment to embracing the Democratic Value System</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote the following for those folks who are sick to their stomachs that Florida and Michigan are being disenfranchised from this year&#8217;s election. I&#8217;m sending it to the super delegates in my state.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Fellowship of Independent-Minded American Voters…<br />
with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO DEMOCRACY<br />
-<br />
We belong to a ever growing multitude of independent-thinking American voters who UNASHAMEDLY and UNAPOLOGETICALLY support Hillary Rodham Clinton for President. Our roots in America’s cherished democratic experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are a formidable and enlightened group of people, one not to be ignored or silenced, who above all remain true to these United States, the land of opportunity and birthplace of American democracy. Unyielding determination to reclaim America‘s leadership standing, ensure fair representation and protect our nation underscore our support for Clinton’s candidacy and superintend our journey through these grueling long days of media self-servitude, mind-numbing fanaticism and blatant reverse racism. Our enduring love of country gives us the strength and courage to constantly challenge injustice and ensure the voices of ALL voters will be heard.<br />
-<br />
Democratic Value System<br />
As exemplified by Hillary Clinton‘s 35-year’s of proven public service, we believe in 12 core democratic tenets and principles. These pillars of democracy must be adhered to and observed in all primaries, caucuses and elections, wherever American voters are gathered to select leaders at the local, state and national levels. These ethics must reflect the following concepts:</p>
<p>1. Commitment to Sovereignty of the People<br />
2. Commitment to Government of the People, by the People, and for the People<br />
3. Commitment to Free and Fair Elections<br />
4. Commitment to Freedom of Expression<br />
5. Disavowal of Racial Bigotry and Cultural Intolerance<br />
6. Dedication to Liberty<br />
7. Dedication to Basic Human Rights<br />
8. Dedication to Equal Representation for All<br />
9. Adherence to Due Process of Law<br />
10. Pledge to make economic and social opportunity available to all citizens<br />
11. Pledge allegiance to leadership who espouse values of tolerance, pragmatism, cooperation and compromise<br />
12. Personal commitment to embracing the Democratic Value System</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2043/the-warrior-and-the-eloquent-fool/#comment-178875</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you make a valuable point about &#039;trained agitators&#039;.  In my experience in a well known non-profit &#039;peace organization, we have people who did not fit in exactly, but were always present when problems would arise.  They were rarely seen as the source of the conflict because that isn&#039;t what they did...they would simply point out the conflict, and then the infighting would ensue.

This is one of the major themes of this election...When a house is divided upon itself, one should as...Who benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you make a valuable point about &#8216;trained agitators&#8217;.  In my experience in a well known non-profit &#8216;peace organization, we have people who did not fit in exactly, but were always present when problems would arise.  They were rarely seen as the source of the conflict because that isn&#8217;t what they did&#8230;they would simply point out the conflict, and then the infighting would ensue.</p>
<p>This is one of the major themes of this election&#8230;When a house is divided upon itself, one should as&#8230;Who benefits?</p>
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