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Obama’s Dangerous Rhetoric on Islam and America

During Obama’s recent European vacation, the rest of the world got a cheerleader in him, but not America. What did we get?

Setting aside the rhetorical question for a moment, let us talk about Obama’s portrayal of America to the Muslim world. When we start a dialog on an international stage geared toward one particular group, the person with the megaphone had better be extraordinarily careful about what he says about himself, his country and the group in question.

Obama has been making a concerted effort in the name of soft power to woo the Muslim world. He gave his first formal interview as President to the the Dubai-based Al-Arabiya Network. Recently he spoke at the Turkish parliament, his first speech in a predominantly Muslim nation.

Some of what he has said is sentimentally good just as good as motherhood and apple pie. Many Americans welcome those sentimental notions wholeheartedly. Why not? We are a tolerant nation of many religions with a secular constitution.

The Muslim world apparently is also very pleased with his words. Why not? They got absolved of all their responsibility in their silence and complacency toward terrorism emanating from their own compatriots and religious zealots.

About the nature and content of Obama’s discourse, what perplexes me is who he is talking to and where was the need to start this dialogue now. For instance, it seems like he is redefining what was “war on terror” as “war on Islam” which it never was. I could see rebranding the war on terror as war on Islam helping the perpetrators of terrorism and their supporters but why would it help the US? Does acknowledging now that we are not at war with Islam indicate that we once were and we are not anymore? It is truly deceiving to trick the mind to think “war on terror” and “war on Islam” on the same level. Why would he even use a phrase like war on Islam? I am truly puzzled at this new version of soft power and diplomacy.

The perpetrators of 9/11 and other terror atrocities around the world used Islam as their motivation. You had to strain to hear protests and condemnation from Muslim countries. They justified the atrocities as a response to American domination. Obama is addressing these same Muslim communities at large by agreeing with them, flattering them. How is that not seen as appeasement by the perpetrators of terrorism and their supporters? How does it help when he refers to America in less than flattering terms?

There is a certain vainglory to Obama’s words even when he lauds America. For instance, in the speech he gave before the Turkish parliament, he says “[snip] Robust minority rights let societies benefit from the full measure of contributions from all citizens. I say this as the president of a country that not very long ago made it hard for somebody who looks like me to vote, much less be president of the United States. [snip]” This is not the first time he has said words to that effect and not necessarily in a celebratory way but more as a reflection of self-glory. Why not just be magnanimous and celebrate his election to office as a natural progression of history given the generosity of the American spirit? Wouldn’t it reflect well on the country he is given the honor to represent if he stops parading himself as some grand exhibit?

The same subtle denigration of America has continued on more than one occasion when he talks about the relationship between America and the Muslim world at large. Here is a passage from his speech to Turkish Parliament which makes me uncomfortable:

I know there have been difficulties these last few years. I know that the trust that binds us has been strained, and I know that strain is shared in many places where the Muslim faith is practiced. Let me say this as clearly as I can: the United States is not at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject.

But I also want to be clear that America’s relationship with the Muslim work cannot and will not be based on opposition to al Qaeda. Far from it. We seek broad engagement based upon mutual interests and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, bridge misunderstanding, and seek common ground. We will be respectful, even when we do not agree. And we will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better – including my own country. The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their family, or have lived in a Muslim-majority country – I know, because I am one of them.

There he said it — “the United States is not at war with Islam.” By acknowledging a false premise in the guise of refuting it, he is redefining what was war on terror as war on Islam which it never was. He is engaged in a dangerous rhetorical conflation, as Truthteller put it. He is giving credence to people who willingly misconstrue Bush’s war on terror as something against Muslims and their religion. He speaks of strain and lack of trust with people of that faith. By twisting words to his maximum utility so he could come out the savior, he is ascribing new and unfounded blame and responsibility to America. Even Bush was careful not to make it a war on some religion even though the Muslim world wanted to call it that for their own nefarious purposes. And to assume that false responsibility now, Obama is throwing away the American prestige, dignity, and above all its humanity. In plain terms, it is as if he is telling the Muslims, “I am not like them and I will make it right for you and it is true that they screwed you.”

How in the world is that going to help America? Bashing Bush is one thing but not at the expense of American people and their culture of tolerance. Call Bush’s Iraq war for what it is and leave it at that. Conflating it with phrases like war with Islam is a particularly bad strategy, not to mention the unnecessary speeches singling out that religious faith and its followers. The direction Obama is pursuing seems rife with unintended consequences and he comes off being self-centered and vainglorious, not to mention weak. What is he apologizing for with his speeches before Muslim audience? Or does he think that if he bashed America enough that they will put down their guns and choose peace over violence just for his sake?

Aside from the ambivalence and the juvenile attempt at soft power, I also noticed historical inaccuracies in the same passage quoted above: “And we will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better – including my own country.” Here is Robert Spencer’s interesting rebuttal on that:

Undeniably the Islamic faith has done a great deal to shape the world – a statement that makes no value judgment about exactly how it has shaped the world. It has formed the dominant culture in what is known as the Islamic world for centuries. But what on earth could Obama mean when he says that Islam has also “done so much” to shape his own country?

Unless he considers himself an Indonesian, Obama’s statement was extraordinarily strange. After all, how has the Islamic faith shaped the United States? Were there Muslims along Paul Revere’s ride, or standing next to Patrick Henry when he proclaimed, “Give me liberty or give me death”? Were there Muslims among the framers or signers of the Declaration of Independence, which states that all men – not just Muslims, as Islamic law would have it – are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, including life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Were there Muslims among those who drafted the Constitution and vigorously debated its provisions, or among those who enumerated the Bill of Rights, which guarantees – again in contradiction to the tenets of Islamic law – that there should be no established national religion, and that the freedom of speech should not be infringed? [snip]

Surveying the whole tapestry of American history, one would be hard-pressed to find any significant way in which the Islamic faith has shaped the United States in terms of its governing principles and the nature of American society. Meanwhile, there are numerous ways in which, if there had been a significant Muslim presence in the country at the time, some of the most cherished and important principles of American society and law may have met fierce resistance, and may never have seen the light of day. [snip]

His statement was either careless or ignorant, or both – not qualities we need in a Commander-in-Chief even in the best of times.

Flattery from being careless or ignorant, or both may massage the ego of some in the Muslim world but it certainly does not lend credence to his position.

On the one hand, we have the hypocrisy that Obama pretends to be a devoted Christian and hides his Muslim heritage to get elected. On the other hand, when craving adulation from the Muslim world he touts his Muslim heritage while denigrating American culture of tolerance and secularism. Perfect, since he got away with both.

Now imagine if he had embraced his Muslim heritage and his race (or should I say, half race?) proudly without calling anyone racist for the mere mention of those facts, and he still got elected because of his own merits and accomplishments, what a truly magnificent statement that would have made about America to the rest of the world. I firmly believe that America would have elected such a person without that person having to have resorted to chicanery, thievery, and plain old obfuscation to get elected. We will never know for sure now. That will be the shameful legacy Obama will leave behind — a historical but undeserving presidency.

  • Tex-Mex Soup

    Back to the bow….. not only was it a bow but he was a total natural doing it, like he’s done it all his life!

  • arran

    The very things you write about have worried me greatly. His derision of Americans have me thinking are these remarks regurgitation, albeit much, much softer, of Wright’s “Goddamn America.” He has besmirched the great spirit of America to elect him with these remarks abroad? Who does he think voted him in to power, for the most part? Americans who hated Bush’s policies, the Iraq war, and the Constitution attacks, that’s who.

    I’m as furious about 0bama’s remarks as I ever was with Bush’s. Those put in power can as easily be taken out, and the sooner the better.

    0bama does not represent me.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    PM, what a superb and very thoughtful piece of writing.

    This plays to the “blame America first” crowd in his constituency.

    This also demonstrates the long-term effects of the FRIENDSHIPS he had in Chicago. Rashid Khalidi, a former PLO spokesman and regarded as a terrorist by many, and Bill Ayers are but two of those friends who he hung out with a lot and filled him with all of the anti-American, we’re-attacking-Islam baloney.

    There is NO need for him to be so obsequious. George Bush did and said plenty following 9/11 to calm anyone who might think we’d accuse a religion. He invited Muslim clerics to attend services and events. He said, in his speeches, that we didn’t blame Islam. As long ago as the week following 9/11.

    But Obama has to go further because his leftie friends always blame the U.S. first, and so does he.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    P.S. Rashid Khalidi’s reputation is on its way to being thoroughly sanitized. He has been a guest twice on Charlie Rose and recently on CNN. Perhaps elsewhere. Those are the three times I’ve seen him. He teaches at Columbia, but of course.

    Is he an able and intelligent guest on these shows? Lord yes. Which makes me think — a lot — about all of those DINNERS that Obama had at his home where, Obama has recalled fondly, Rashid’s wife fixed delicious Middle Eastern dishes. These were not eat-and-run dinners. They lingered over the food, and talked for hours. And I’m sure he heard volumes about how the U.S. is perceived as attacking Islam, and never a word about — as YOU point out in your article — the lack of response from leaders of Islam to the terrorist actions.

    Imagine, for a moment, if Hillary or John McCain had had dinner a number of times at the home of a former terrorist and PLO spokesman. Imagine if the frequency indicated a real friendship. Now imagine the press’s reaction.

  • pm317

    Thank you, Susan. Honored to have you comment here.

    As a relatively new citizen of this country I feel I have more pride about this country in my toenails than he does. Somebody (Hillary? privately) has to call on him to stop this nonsense. There are certain words, phrases that should never come out of his mouth in public utterances. I guess we are seeing what “not ready on day 1″ feels like.

  • oowawa

    The same subtle denigration of America

    “Subtle denigration” is a very apt term. As an example of this kind of rhetoric, take Michelle’s statement “the first time I was really proud of my country . . . ” On the one hand she is saying she is now proud, but on the other hand she is saying that she wasn’t proud before. It is a subtle denigration. We’re going to be getting a lot of “subtle denigration” from Mr. O.

  • pm317

    The Muslim world has not given an inch to do anything about terrorism emanating from their countries. Instead we still find the Saudis and others pumping money into these groups. Here is this guy going around saying we are not at war with their religion.

  • arran

    An interesting article, “Will Islam Return Obama’s ‘Respect’?”, by David Henninger:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123923457420703137.html

  • vanroth

    Imagine if Hillary had as much as bowed her head before the Saudi King. Or if she had shrugged off or avoided talking about the hostage situation. Or is she had indulged in the self flagellation like The One did with regards to his own country. Or if she had given a cheap DVD movie set to a visiting dignitary. Matthews, Olberman, Fineman along with the rest of the whore media would have had apoplectic fit and trashed her for weeks on end. Poll’s would have suddenly appeared that showed immense disapproval with the actions of the Chief Executive. That in turn would have fueled more hour long shows dedicating to dissing her and more columns full of disparaging filth.

    AP headline:Pirate situation annoying distraction for Obama.

    They are currently busy writing the “Obama bow shows courtesy and respect for cultural sensitivities” story.

  • PamFlorida

    Obama is an man-boy with a high IQ and a degree from Harvard. He lacks critical thinking skills, the ability to reason objectively, and an understanding of cause and effect.
    A President must have comprehensive knowledge of world cultures, traditions, and religions to effectively engage politically with other countries. Obama is remakably ignorant in this regard. Arabic peoples are bound by more than a thousand years of tradtions that affect every aspect of their lives. Their cultural sense of honor, saving face, etiquette, and bargaining tactics are completely different from ours.
    The whole world was watching as Obama’s words and actions debased America in the eyes of the Middle East and literally put us in an extreme position of weakness and vulnerability. They are feeling powerful, having subdued the “infidels”, and will boldly take advantage at the bargaining table. They do not sing “kumbaya”.
    Obama has put us in a dangerous position because he is an idealogue and a panderer.

  • oowawa

    They do not sing “kumbaya”.

    Good one, PamFlorida. Our watchword must be BEWARE!

  • WMCB

    Spot on, Pam. The essence of negotiation is not in considering how one’s words, actions, and demeanor will play with one’s backers, but in understanding how they will be interpreted by the other side.

    To assume that one’s overtures of “friendship” will be interpreted as one MEANT them is dangerously naive and stupid. To assume that abandoning any assertion of US interests in favor of the “interests of the global community” is going to be met with other countries abandoning THEIR interests in return is breathtakingly asinine.

    It is one thing for me to say that I wish harmony with my neighbors, to not bully, to share my wealth and skills with my community. It is quite another to disable my alarm system, tear down my fence, open my doors, and post my ATM pin number in big letters on a sign in front of my house.

  • http://thesibylspeaks.wordpress.com/ Anthony

    Not everyone is worshiping at the feet of The Changeling

    Finally, someone has the balls to speak the truth

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2009/04/10/barack_obama_president_pantywaist__new_surrender_monkey_on_the_block

  • Peggy Sue

    pm, thank you for the article. I found many of these comments right on the mark and extremely worrisome. When 0bama was campaigning, he spoke numerous times about being a “citizen of the world.” That meme [for me at least] was always a bit strange but now takes on a ominous edge. Certainly, Americans want to be good citizens of the world, but not at the exclusion of our national allegience, history and law. Then, we have the added conversations about “transnationalism.” It’s being talked up on the blogs and news outlets, the idea of subjegating our rule of law to global considerations.

    In years past, these sort of subjects were the stuff of conspiracy whackos. Added to that we have our President fawning over foreign dignatories and making disparaging remarks about the country overseas. It’s one thing to be critical of policies and programs while you’re in country. But the idea these comments were made abroad is unseemly and outrageous.

    So, I agree with you. And your last line is on point:

    “That will be the shameful legacy Obama will leave behind — a historical but undeserving presidency.”

    I really hope that’s not the case because we’ll all suffer. But it’s not looking good.

  • KintheNorthwest

    What scares me the most about Obama’s 360 degree turn in his religous vocalizations is trying to figure out his bottom motive.

    It seems that during the election he couldnt get far enough away from the Muslim faith, almost to the point of being racist about them. (Remember the audience incidence) Now Obama not only is bowing to, and applauding them in speeches, but is trying to gain their favor using his past in the religion. A muslim past he feverantly denied.

    You add this up with Obama’s put down of America and you wonder what the H3LL he is doing as President of America.

    Since Obama has been in office he has been systematcially destroying America’s system–financially, terriorism wise and verbally. (Looks like its not just the people in PA that are arrogant anymore according to his last speech–All Americans are arrogant.)

    Could all those crazy things people dreaded about Obama and the people behind him be true? I am beginning to more than wonder.

    I am also getting more and more anxious to find out who the H3LL Obama really is?
    Think about it guys–What do we really trully know about Obama?
    The media blocked all investigations into him and gave him a free pass.
    Obama got a pass that no other presidental candidate in this day and age has ever seen.
    WHY??

  • WMCB

    That’s a fabulous article. He nails it. President Pantywaist, indeed.

  • oowawa

    Okay, once more about the “bow,” which at first appears Off Topic, but it really isn’t: this story and “the bow” are both concerned with how our actions and words may be interpreted by cultures with which we are unfamiliar.

    Consider the scenes in The King and I, where it is a sacrilege to be at a level above that of the king, and we see Debiorah Kerr literally grovelling on the ground in order to remain below the King’s level. Stand tall, stand proud, Mr. President. You’re supposed to represent a long, proud tradition. Don’t grovel, and don’t demean your country with the rhetoric of “subtle denigration.”

  • Palm Tree

    “There he said it — “the United States is not at war with Islam.” By acknowledging a false premise in the guise of refuting it, he is redefining what was war on terror as war on Islam which it never was. He is engaged in a dangerous rhetorical conflation, as Truthteller put it.”

    pm317, Thank you for this insight, and that of the whole post.

  • Sassy

    I am hesitant to stereotype all muslims, but I am not ready to embrace them.
    The Saudis were financing the 9/11 terrorists through so-called charities in this country.
    We have seen repeatedly their violence against women, and their attacks on innocents around the globe.
    When those in power in these countries starting proclaiming and proving that Islam is a religion of peace, my attitude may change, but for now they are my enemy!

  • jbjd

    To assume that one’s overtures of “friendship” will be interpreted as one MEANT them is dangerously naive and stupid.

    Substitute the word “arrogant” for “naive and stupid.”

  • KintheNorthwest

    I am ashamed to hear our President called a Pantywaist, but I am not shocked.
    As I have said in many other threads — Obama is not protraying America well. In fact he is acting more like a world politician than the President of America.
    I cannot believe how Obama has been and is protraying America to the people of the world.

    Even I as a disguntled America citizen have more brains than to speak and act the way Obama has to other world leaders.

  • Wake Up

    Do you think any of the robots that voted for Obama are waking up yet.
    Any word on the Birth Certificate?

  • AX10

    What else should we expect at this point?
    Islam has NOT shaped the world for the better.
    Read the Quar’an! This is one of the worst writings ever made. Open against disabled people.

    Islam did NOT shape the United States.

    Muslims never come out to protest the attrocities committed by the terrorists. Yet, a picture of Mohamed is published and out come the fatwah’s!
    Islam is the worst religion in the world, the most ignorant, the least progressive, and the most Anti-American!

  • chris from Chicago

    I must say, that the more I listen to Obama bloviate about the shortcomings of America, the more difficult I find it to be tacit about this same subject.
    A measured level of introspection, self-effacement and insight is a healthy thing for everyone,it allows us to become better people and exponentially it allows us to become a become a better nation..

    Self-flagellation and aimless denigration is never healthy, rather it is destructive and demoralizing!

    Is the self-flagellation and denigration of this country on the world stage by Obama actually his pandering to others?
    or is it Obama’s actual belief system about this country that leads to his constant negative diatribes in the presentation of America?

    When I heard Obama speak in Turkey he referred to the United States, not with passion, not with pride or endearing reference as ‘Back Home’, ‘My country’, ‘America’ but rather dispassionately as ‘The States’.
    It was disheartening to listen to.

    Obama was elected to lead and represent this nation.
    He is our primary ambassador to the rest of the world, and when he sets foot on the soil of foreign nations, it is his responsibility to represent this country with the most positive of references.
    If any deference need be shown it should be to his own country.

    It has always been my contention that Obama, in his core does not like America.
    He views it on an adversarial plane as a nation that needs to be controlled, redefined, and brought down a notch or two.
    The problem lies not with this country, rather with his angry and inadequate inner dialogue.

    We do indeed need change! We need a president who passionately loves this country, and whose every decision is made for the good of this country.
    We do not need a president whose sole purpose is to tear this country down and apart in order to remake it into the image he feels is fair and appropriate, all the while basking in manufactured adulation.

    I have lived on three different continents and 4 countries..
    There is nothing like coming back to these United States! Absolutely Nothing!

  • http://sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    how do you know he has a high IQ?

  • oowawa

    Chris from Chicago: Hooray! Great post!

    Very perceptive comment:

    When I heard Obama speak in Turkey he referred to the United States, not with passion, not with pride or endearing reference as ‘Back Home’, ‘My country’, ‘America’ but rather dispassionately as ‘The States’.
    It was disheartening to listen to.

  • AX10

    The far left is of the belief that the western nations are evil. They have no problem though with the repression of women/minorities/disables peoples in the middle east (most of this oppression is done by muslims of course). The lefties should be the most up in arms about islamic repression since it is the muslims that are anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-multiculturalism, etc. Instead, these leftists decide it is better to be tolerant of intolerant cultures.

  • KintheNorthwest

    My sendiments throughtout the election….

    I dont feel and have never felt that Obama or Michele for that matter really give or gave a Rats Azz about America….

    The presidental office to Obama and Michelle is just the record of being the first black president, the money(especially money afterwards) and the status symbol.

  • elizabethrc

    Because he’s black and has a very big, toothy smile.

  • chris from Chicago

    Analyst warns eligibility could become flashpoint
    ‘It is morphing now to include members of the armed forces’

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=94196

  • FLDemFem

    Obummer is (gag) right this time. We are not at war with Islam. Islam is at war with us. He forgot to mention that small point.

  • elizabethrc

    I truly believe that he wants to neutralize the white population in America. His sympathies seem always to favor minorities, blacks in particular and Muslims most assuredly. He may want America to be as destitute and disreputable as a Third World Nation, but I do not and I hope to see the day when he is exposed to the nation as the charlstan that he is.

  • FLDemFem

    Check the CNN news page..there are a couple of stories about the bow there, and not good ones either. The i-reporters aren’t too happy with it either. The worm is turning. FINALLY.

  • DAB

    I agree with your assessment. While I have no problem with someone admitting a mistake, I believe that Obama really laid the malaise thing on too way thick where a short comment or two would have sufficed. Like PM317 I find many of Obama’s statements to be extraordinarily strange and that Bow really took the cake.

    Although I’m not an extremely patriotic flag waver, I can’t imagine attending a church that espoused a “God Damn America” agenda or wanting to be anywhere near a former home-grown terrorist. Believe me, I’m no Hannity but this is getting to all fit together in a totally scary way.

  • AX10

    Recall last summer when Obama went on tour to Europe.
    Recall President Sarkozy’s impassioned love for all things American. At his side was standing Senator Obama, with a clear look of disapproval of Sarkozy’s feelings toward America.

  • Ferd Berfle

    Robust minority rights let societies benefit from the full measure of contributions from all citizens. I say this as the president of a country that not very long ago made it hard for somebody who looks like me to vote, much less be president of the United States.

    Christ on a crutch. If things are *so* difficult and awful for them here, I cordially invite them and all those with the same opinions to kindly remove themselves from such an awful place. I’ll even contribute to a fund for their one-way tickets to the country of their choice. Any takers, Obamabots and fellow travelers?

  • pm317

    India has the largest Muslim population next to Indonesia and has demonstrated quite well so far that they could live peacefully in a secular environment with a different majority religion.

  • FLDemFem

    What he and his team of juvenile delinquents don’t understand is that there is an American life at risk, and there were many more at risk when this first started. If that captain dies, Obama is toast. He will have shown he will do nothing to keep Americans safe, here or abroad. It will be the linchpin of his downfall. If anything happens to that captain, it will be on Obummer’s head. Deservedly so. Does anyone think that if he hadn’t said all that stuff in Turkey and bowed to the Saudi King that those pirates would have dared to go after an American ship?

  • FLDemFem

    First of all, we have no right to tell people what to do in their own countries. We do not have the right to go to those countries and force people to change. We can only educate them when possible and lead by example. You seem to think that the American culture, such as it is, is the only one worth having. This is not true. There are many cultures that are much older and wiser in many ways than we are. You also seem to confuse political systems with cultures. You are the one who needs to go learn a few things before you start spouting off on what you think other people believe. Shoo, troll, go get an education.

  • pm317

    Him declaring now that we are not at war with Islam is a problem. Because that begs the question were we before. It is so obvious that we were NEVER at war with a religion that for him to proclaim as such on a world stage is a problem. It is a subtlety. I don’t want him to use problem phrases like that. The fact that he does makes me question his motives. We know that he wants to play the savior. What is easier than creating a problem for which you think you are the solution?

  • pm317

    I agree. I think the pirates did get emboldened by this wimp. Somebody is testing his mettle and my fear is that it may not end with a ransom. I hope the Captain comes back home safe.

  • chris from Chicago

    “Thought Provoking” by Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugs

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

    I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books in six languages, and have studied history all my life. I think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is just a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes, these exist but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.

    Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about 10 – 15 years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.

    [Read the rest at the source using the link -- Admin]

  • PopeInRome

    “We are not at war with Islam.” This is a true statement that President Bush had said many times. There are people in Turkey who believe America hates Muslims and is at war with them. President Obama again reiterated to them that we are not. Obama did not say “We are no longer at war with Islam.”

  • pm317

    Good one. This is the other thing — he did not ask the Muslim world to do anything, nothing about terrorism or where is their responsibility as the article shows about minority rights in their own countries?

  • KintheNorthwest

    Srry but Im putting this all on Pantywaist —-for how he is protraying America….

  • Patience

    Great article pm317. And so many terrific comments.

    I have nothing to add that hasn’t already been said so well, except for one thing: it’s an insult to Jimmy Carter to equate his administration with the current one. The office of the President of the United States has undeniably reached a new low which would’ve seemed inconceivable to me after the last several years. And we’re not even through the honeymoon period yet. God help us.

  • cynic

    For instance, it seems like he is redefining what was “war on terror” as “war on Islam” which it never was.

    I think it’s obvious that, for some Americans at least, the “war on terror” was and remains a “war on Islam”. Some Americans tend to see terrorism as a manifestation of a pathology pervading all of Islamic culture–not as the aberrant behavior of certain fundamentalist extremists. Such people assume that the narrow and blinding fixation of those extremists upon certain rationalizing passages within Islamic text is something shared by all. A few such people have been very outspoken about this, openly advancing the idea that we’re witnessing an inevitable struggle to the death between Islam and Western culture. They tell us that only one can survive, and assert that the West’s failure to embrace this truth is the very thing that will lead to our demise.

    In the recent past, whether fact or not, the Muslim world has had reason to believe that this sort of thinking might have had a part in American foreign policy. That they should believe this is clearly not to our benefit. It’s constructive for Obama to do all he can to dispell the perception, in my opinion. After all, to deal effectively with Muslim terrorism we need other Muslims as allies.

  • pm317

    There is a difference. It is not as benign as you make it sound to be. Bush did not make a mission of going to Muslim audience to say that. The phrase was war on terror (and why heed the Muslim world if they wanted to make it as war on Islam — their interests are not your interests. They are fxxking terrorizing you and everybody else). Now for this buffoon to go around proclaiming everywhere we are not at war with Islam, the question is why say something that is so obvious and which it never was. It is a self-serving word play at best and at worst a sign of appeasement and weakness. Did you not understand this post?

  • http://noquarterusa No-nonsense-Nancy

    The birth certificate issue is NOT dead! Send a post card a day for 30 days to US Attorney Jeffrey Taylor of DC askng for Quo Warranto (demanding of BO what right he thinks he has of being POTUS). He is the only one who has the authority to demand Bo show his credentials. Go to http://www.statute3501.com for instructions. We need millions of Patriots to do this! If he gets bombarded with letters, post cards and phone calls it will get his attention enough to do something. If We the People sit back and do nothing we’ll be stuck with this guy doing damage for a long time to come. If you haven’t noticed, friends, we’re in a dictatorship already!

  • Patience

    As someone else remarked earlier this week on another thread, Americans fought on behalf of Muslims in Bosnia and the Gulf War. It’s intellectually dishonest to ignore this recent history.

  • cynic

    In what sense are we any more or less oppressed than we have been at any time during the last 50 years? What can you not do now, that you were free to do 10 years ago?

  • StPaulite

    The reason he said it is the same reason Bush said it: billions of Muslims still believe it to be true. It’s “obvious” to us that we are not at war with a religion, but this is certainly not “obvious” to the world’s Muslims whose opinion of us is still very low. They did not believe Bush, maybe they won’t believe Obama either. After Bagram and Abu Ghraib and Nizour Square we have a huge perception hole to dig ourselves out of. Repeating the “obvious” is essential.

    It is very hard for governments like Turkey’s to cooperate on Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Iran, if ordinary Turks feel a sense of personal animosity against the US because of its policies. Maybe saying plainly why we are committed to those policies (or why we aren’t, in this case) will have zero effect, who knows. But it can’t get much worse than where we are.

  • KintheNorthwest

    Well not yet cynic — but it looks like they are working on our gun rights and internet rights while at the same time making sure the terriorist(even admitted ones) get full American Judical rights.

    Smells a bit fishy to me

  • cynic

    It was sort of a wiseass rhetorical question to put things in perspective. We’ve all got our legitimate concerns about the future, I know.

  • arran

    chris, that person would have been President Hillary Clinton, who loves this country.

  • KintheNorthwest

    Im really am not sure what Obama wants.

    I DO NOT think Obama is looking out for the good of America or Americans of any race or religion.

    I DO think that Obama’s and Michelles’ motives are More for their own Personal magnification and gain(fame and money) than anything for America and Americans.

  • pm317

    What perception hole? what nonsense! The terrorists are Muslims, using Islam as their reason and their supporters are Muslims and you go after terrorists (without much support from the countries supporting and protecting them) and if these countries/people want to play victims and proclaim US is waging war on Islam, you just accept it and go around saying, no, no, we are not at war with Islam. Give me a break!

    There was an article about UK running ads in Pakistan about how friendly Brits are with Muslims and how their Muslim population is thriving. This is nuts.

    So we are all going to babysit these Muslim countries (some harboring terrorists)?

    If this is the best our governments can do, it is not good enough. The dynamic has to change and not in the way we hold their hands while they bomb us.

    I will quibble about 0bama’s words/strategy because they are not good enough. The gravitas, the tough love (towards Muslim countries harboring terrorists), and much more are missing. Instead he has moved over to their side and bashed America some more. He is just giving away the farm. Between this guy’s pusillanimous approach and Bush’s macho arrogant approach, there has to be some middle of the road opportunity where honest and fair negotiations can take place between the parties. Right now I don’t see any of the Muslims (silent supporters of the perpetrators of atrocities) at the table.

  • pm317

    Chris, next time, you may want to just excerpt a small portion of of the article.

  • WMCB

    Why do you assume that it is the fault of America that that “perception hole” exists? I don’t. I think the majority of it is because the religious leaders in those Muslim countries make it their business to tell the populace that the US hates Muslims, and none of the “moderates” in power have the balls to stand up and say it isn’t so, because it makes the populace controllable for them as well.

    If someone is continually lying about me, it is not MY responsibility to spend myself arguing against it. It is my responsibility to explain clearly the reasons for my actions, without apologizing for things I have not done.

    If an accusation is false, then the accused should continue to state their reasons for behavior, not apologize to the accusers for “having given them the impression” that it was racially or religiously motivated That is utter bullshit.

    Want us to stop associating terrorism with Muslims? Stop producing terrorists. The “vast majority” of Islamic leaders who are so peace-loving need to stand up en masse and DISASSOCIATE THEMSELVES from the others. Until they do that, they can STFU.

    Right now they want it both ways. They want to fund, help, coddle, listen to, give tacit approval to, and plead with us to “understand the motivations” of terrorist organizations. But they do not want their religion “associated” with terrorism in the minds of others.

    You mullahs don’t want it associated? Then YOU fucking disassociate it. That is YOUR job, not ours.

  • KintheNorthwest

    Question that has always been in my head.
    Why not just show the damn thing? McCain did.

    New question has been why has Obama paid close to or over 1 million dollars to keep from having to show it…..Stanger yet.

  • Lyn

    I was just going to ask why they think he has a high IQ too

  • chris from Chicago

    Arran,
    I was crushed when Hillary lost the nomination,
    I was crushed at “how” she lost the nomination, and
    I was crushed because I knew what we were getting in her stead.
    I loved Obama after his 2004 speech,but I knew nothing about him…once he entered the presidential race, I made it my business to do some research..and whatever I read about him made me incrementally more alarmed about his candidacy.
    I was more right than I care to admit…
    I am not clairvoyant,I just did my research..all the information is right there..it is not deeply buried…it is easily accessible.
    Even so, what is also alarming is that many people just cast their vote without making it their business to find out who they were voting for..
    For all our decades of work, we women finally had an extremely qualified and very electable candidate in Hillary…and many of us chose to vote for Obama.
    Our Democratic Party, has become the hearth of duplicity, corruption, manipulation and relative inanity…and is no longer representative, nor a viable choice..for a large number of Americans..thank god!

  • Peggy Sue

    StPaulite said:

    “But it can’t get much worse than where we are.”

    I think you’re very wrong. It can always get worse, and appeasement is the fastest way to get there.

  • KintheNorthwest

    Me too—for we have none of his college records and very few of his early school records …

    Oh wait we do have Obama Soreto’s (Pantywaist’s) Indonesian school records where Obama’s parents claim that Obama is an Indonesian citizen…hmmm does that mean Obama has a high IQ or ???

    That British writer is right Pantywaist is a good name for Obama.

  • WMCB

    So you are saying that there are some nutbag Anti-muslim extremists in America, and it is our responsibility to make sure that the world knows they do not speak for all of us, nor drive our policies.

    Of course, there are also plenty of outspoken Jihadist nutbag extremists in the Muslim world, and I see no reciprocating call to the Muslim world, that it is THEIR responsibility to make sure the world knows they do not speak for all of them, nor drive their policies.

    Again, America must apologize as a whole for the actions/words of any of us, but the rest of the world has no such expectation put on THEM. We can be blamed en masse, but god forbid anyone blame the muslim nations en masse.

  • chris from Chicago

    Berg states Hollister case has been ‘Appealed’ as Opinion is so ‘outrageous’ and Sanction imposed was ‘totally unfair’ Judge showed his total bias since case was filed We will be successful on Appeal ! Spread the word !

    http://www.oilforimmigration.org/

  • athena
  • KintheNorthwest

    I will have to say at least Bush kept his dignity a bit longer than Obama, especially with the Brits.

  • Lisabona

    The high IQ of 0bama is just a propaganda. How somebody can have high IQ if that person can’t function without a TELEPROMPTER. It makes me mad (sick) when I hear people saying” he is the most talented ” orator” . Let me tell you he is not CICERO. What he really possess is ” hmmm, aaaaa. hmmmm” and nothing more. If somebody saw his IQ test, please let me see it too. I’m just curious.

  • Elizabeth

    I suppose technically speaking, Obama would have been well to include “have never been” along with “are not” and “will never be.” Of course Bush also, while recognizing we actually were in a struggle with Islamic Fascists, continuously made it clear he was not at war with an entire religion.

    On the other hand, many Muslims perceived U.S. policy otherwise, especially the invasion of a secular state such as Iraq. So the remarks themselves were in line with ongoing reassurances to the Islamic world that don’t represent a break with W’s rhetoric. It is a stretch, therefore,to invoke Obama’s timeline of “now” as necessarily a rejection of a “previous” state of affairs.

  • athena

    Well that would make Biden Pres. Shaking in my boots. There is just NO GOOD conclusion because that would make Pelosi the VP – Yikes!!!!!

  • chris from Chicago

    How do you spell B-U-L-L-S-!-!-T?
    As far as can be traced he never even made the honor rolls when he was at Columbia…
    “Brilliant”,
    “exceptional”
    “gifted orator”
    “intellectual”..
    I would say none of the above-captioned words exemplify Obama adequately,
    but I can think of a few others which would be plucky choices…

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    i said that too.like we automatically put our hand over our hearts for our anthem.he automatically bows
    to the king..

  • chris from Chicago

    10-4 :)

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    we are all praying for that.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    lets hope he doesn’t lose his buttons holding up those pants or he will be caught with his pants down..

  • KintheNorthwest

    I dont think it would be the first time Obama would be caught with his pants down ROFL

  • FLDemFem

    No, Biden would be President, and would choose a VP. Nancy doesn’t come into the picture unless Obummer and Biden go out at the same time. Biden could appoint Hillary as VP and then resign. She could appoint him VP again. And that would put things the way they should have been in the first place. Almost.

  • Diana L. C.

    I’ve been busy today and haven’t had time to read the article using your link, but I will. I just want to say that I can usually turn off politics after an election and get on with my life. But this time, since my experience at the state assembly and convention during the primary, I, too, have felt that there is a big change coming in history. It’s frightening to me as I worry about my boys and their families. My friends and family think I’ve gone off the deep end. But, I’ve always been like Priam’s daughter Cassandra in our family: the crazy one who usually gets things right before everyone else does. Thus I push away my doubts about my sanity and instead reassure myself that listening to my gut has always been the way to go.

    Thank you for your words today. I haven’t written or published anything about history, but I have read and read and read about it. It’s good to have some like company here.

  • WMCB

    So apartheid was fine and dandy, and the world should have never gotten all up in arms over it, because it was, after all, their own culture in their own country?

    I doubt you think that. How is the severe oppression of women in many muslim countries any different?

  • elise

    I disagree pm317 and I think that is an unsavory road for us to travel. Muslims are not at war with us. There are extreme fanatics in that religion and they are dangerous. Neither can you identify all Arab countries as theocracies because that is not true. And some Arab countries have been helpful in the fight against terrorism. Religious intolerance leads to ugly behavior and most of the prominent religions in the world are guilty to one degree or another. There is nothing which constitutionally allows the US to go to war with a religion. The attack on 9/11 didn’t change that. Those who are guilty have been identified and Bin Laden is no more a spokesman for Muslim than Jerry Fallwell was for all christian churches. We need to concentrate on our real problems now beginning with how to keep Obama from taking us where we don’t want to go as a nation.

  • lorac

    “Obama is an man-boy with a high IQ and a degree from Harvard. He lacks critical thinking skills, the ability to reason objectively, and an understanding of cause and effect.”

    I think the 2nd sentence contradicts the “high IQ” in the first part. Personally, I don’t think he has a high IQ. I agree with your 2nd sentence, and I would add, he has numerous times exhibited poor judgment. And of course, we’ve never seen any school grades.

    He’s corrupt enough to cheat, and he can read someone else’s words well – I think he’s no more than a dishonest actor – not someone with a high IQ.

  • lorac

    I’ve found many times, that people subsume women’s treatment under “cultural mores”. So we stood up against apartheid but we don’t do too much about cultures that oppress, violate, and kill women (often for only trying to go to school).

    There have been places/times in Africa, where lighter skinned blacks have made darker skinned blacks into slaves or oppressed them. We would never tolerate that, even if it were “part of their usual culture”. But time and again, women are expendable, and we must respect cultural traditions. I think it’s hogwash. Cultural traditions should never supercede women’s rights.

    Racism always trumps sexism. Probably *because* of sexism….

  • elise

    pm317 this is an excellent post. There are so many unanswered questions about his man and his behavior. In contrast to his complexity GWB was easy to understand. Putting away his politics and partisanship and looking only at what we know about him as a person, we are left with nothing definitive. He is ready to make decisions which oppose his base knowing they will not leave him and he is either following his own agenda or he is driven only by his own demons and ego. Which is it, I wonder? Apparently most of his prior life is an empty book and even now, he is unable or unwilling to openly take a position and, is instead, slippery, always arranging any situation so that he has an escape route. He said he would unite the two parties in a bipartisan spirit, but like Bush, he divides. His books are filled with religious references and at times sound overly pious and self-righteous yet he was not religious the first part of his life and when he chose. the UTCC he was motivated by personal advancement. He has not chosen a new church in DC and I wonder if that is because he can’t decide if it would advance his purpose more if he went to an all Black church, Biracial or predominately White church. Or is it true he is a Muslim? The more time passes the stronger I feel we must learn the truth about him. Our future depends on knowing. Maybe he is nothing more than a Chicago style pol who hides his past out of calculation and ambition or is there something or someone behind him?

  • pm317

    elise, it took me a while to see why you were disagreeing. OK, that last sentence in my comment reads kind of funny. I only meant he was appeasing them by saying that we are not at war with their religion when the Muslim world is not giving him much in return (for his appeasement).

  • Lisabona

    OUT of the subject. I’m so curious, how the reverend Wright,the Catholic priest( I forget his name) and the rest of the people with whom he attended more than 20 years in a Christian church reacted, when he said” We, America is not a christian nation”. Did they realized, how Hypocrtit is he?

  • TeakwoodKite

    Bravo PM317.

    Wells said!

  • elise

    I re-read your post pm317 and the mistake was mine. A lot of people are afraid right now, including me, because we feel things are changing just as he promised, but what he is doing is not a change from the last eight years in many ways. America is a new country compared to others and we haven’t had time to develop a lot of tradition and culture of our own, but what we do have is important to us. It seems to me those are the things he wants to change, not the corruption or policies. It’s just so strange about the ties he has with Muslim countries it would be too easy to blame the religion and that’s a “distraction”.

  • I’mFedUp

    There is absolutely no excuse, nor any reasoning, for Obama’s behavior anymore. None. The only answer is what we always said…he’s not one of us, he hates us, and he can’t wait for our demise. I’ve said it over and over…it’s every goddamned day that there is some indignity heaped on America, thanks to the Stoner in Chief. There has never been any President in our history that actually went out of their frigging way to denigrate this country to our friends and enemies. He doesn’t speak for me, my family, my dead father, etc. with this apologetic nonsense about what idiots Americans are. I’ve had it. The next person who tells me “it’s Bush’s fault” or “give him time” what the hell ever is going to get punched. If someone is to damned ignorant to get the clue that he is our death knell then they deserve a shiner. Enough of this “giving him a chance” or trying to figure out WTF his deranged actions are motivated by. It’s pretty clear now who and what he is. And it’s nothing more or less than we always knew. He can’t get the hell out of the White House soon enough, and take that scumbag Congress with him. Ughhhh…

  • NoBamaNoWay

    correct, AX10.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    exactly. that’s why the expression “women’s rights are human rights” came about. a lot of people think that women’s rights “don’t count;” that it’s some kind of trivial, pet issue or something.

    the reality is that if any group of men were treated the way that women throughout the world are routinely treated, it would be considered bona fide grounds for war, no questions asked. but when it’s done to women, we’re supposed to “respect their culture.” F that.

  • NoBamaNoWay

    that’s about the size of it.

  • http://www.stacyinshape.com/ NoBamaNoWay

    that’s about the size of it.
    Sorry… forgot to say great post – can’t wait to read your next one!

  • Julia

    In the last years, yes Islam has shaped US. Unfortunately

  • pm317

    America is a new country compared to others and we haven’t had time to develop a lot of tradition and culture of our own, but what we do have is important to us.

    This is an astute observation.

  • Elizabeth

    The conflation of events in the Islamic world may make for a particularly inflamatory flashpoint or lightning rod, but the region itself is hardly unique in being a recipient of presidential gift-giving. Obama will bow and scrape and acquiese and appease to satisfy his longing for approval and approbation.

    We learned in a bad way this week that he won’t stand up to bullies in any guise where strong leadership is required, whether it be a critical incident with North Korea, nuclear with Iran, or financial with the bailout companies.

    As Krauthammer put it so inimitably in the column this morning:

    Our president came bearing a basketful of mea culpas. With varying degrees of directness or obliqueness, Obama indicted his own people for arrogance, for dismissiveness and derisiveness, for genocide, for torture, for Hiroshima, for Guantanamo and for insufficient respect for the Muslim world.

    And what did he get for this obsessive denigration of his own country? He wanted more NATO combat troops in Afghanistan to match the surge of 17,000 Americans. He was rudely rebuffed.

    He wanted more stimulus spending from Europe. He got nothing.

    From Russia, he got no help on Iran. From China, he got the blocking of any action on North Korea.

    And what did he get for Guantanamo? France, pop. 64 million, will take one prisoner. One! (Sadly, he’ll have to leave his bridge partner behind.) The Austrians said they would take none. As Interior Minister Maria Fekter explained with impeccable Germanic logic, if they’re not dangerous, why not just keep them in America?

    When Austria is mocking you, you’re having a bad week.

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