Comments on: Jeralyn Nails Obama for “Vote-Stealing” [Update]

By: Tone

Tone — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:19:40 +0000

There was no legitimate vote so there are no votes to steal. All the voting is tainted by the process.

some 15% of Obama voters voted for CLinton
some 27% of Edwards voters did the same
some unknown number voted in the GOP primary and now can’t vote (even in a once proposed revote)though they would have voted in the DEM primarary if it counted.
some 70% of blacks voted uncommited (and we know who they vote for)
young people voted uncommitted in large numbers

Looking at the result, the exit polling, and the polling available at the time, 50/50 is quite reasonable in terms of support level.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/michigan/election_2008_michigan_democratic_presidential_primary

“Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that Hillary Clinton would attract 41% of the Primary Vote while Barack Obama would earn an identical 41%”

The MI legislature should have had the stones to pass the revote. IT would have been challenged in court becuase the proposal did not return voters to equal status. Indy, GOP and DEMS who chose to vote in the GOP primary because they knew the DEM MI contest did not count cannot revote.

Also the cost of the election needed to be pickeed up by the state or the party else it was also heading to court.

While I understand the partisan lines drawn, HIllary would not get more delegates than Obama in MI. But she can make political points with it I suppose on her way to losing the nomination.

By: pm317

pm317 — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:53:35 +0000

Obama does not want the popular vote in FL recognized. It will wipe out his lead. He is running a cowardly campaign — it is ironic that the AA community worked so hard for voting rights and now here is an AA candidate who is refusing to count votes — may be his Kenyan heritage makes him blind to all the AA trials and tribulations in this country. But he still gets 90% of their support. I don’t think it is in their self-interest to give him that kind of support.

By: pm317

pm317 — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:44:35 +0000

It is worse. It is giving Obama votes he did not earn.

By: pm317

pm317 — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:41:11 +0000

Why have elections, primary or otherwise. Let us have a 50/50 split in all states. How absurd is that? This is similar to his surrogate Daschle saying resolve FL and MI in such a way that it does not change the overall outcome. These people should be ridiculed and vilified for trying to make fools out of us.

By: barh

barh — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 05:42:53 +0000

What I don’t get is, two states moved up their primary dates with NO penalties whatsoever. The whole thing makes absolutely no sense and I just love all the points that Jeralyn and BTD always makes about this kind of stuff.

By: truthteller2007

truthteller2007 — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:27:08 +0000

Not only is Jonathan Singer untalented; he is an Obamabot. Why is he granted access to the front page of MyDD? Nothing he writes is original. In fact, he simply regurgitates emails he receives from operatives. Obamabot Jonathan Singer should be removed from the front page of MyDD.

By: Kip Taylor

Kip Taylor — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 03:15:42 +0000

Is it possible that Sen. O and his team truly believe that the end they wish is justified by their means of achievement? How sad that neither one can stand behind their campaign records and lord it over the other. Obama is calling the coin after he sees it and Hillary is too busy dodging snipers to notice.

By: Nellie

Nellie — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 02:29:57 +0000

Donna Brazile’s bright idea.

By: Nellie

Nellie — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 02:27:38 +0000

Bad Deal for you – Obama doesn’t have cash and his credit cards are always maxed out.

In other words, Michelle holds the finances because Obama cannot manage it.

By: Kathy

Kathy — Sun, 06 Apr 2008 01:03:27 +0000

I don’t feel the DNC has the right to tell me my vote doesn’t count. I am not a child, this isn’t kindergarten, and I am not going to be punished for something I had no control over.

I live in Florida. My husband and I went to vote in the primary that was held in Florida for Florida residents.
We both voted for Hillary, and I do not want my vote split or thrown out. I want Hillary to have my vote. I am sure the other democrats who voted for Hillary that day want Hillary to have their votes. What could be more simple? Those who voted for Obama should go to Obama. What could be more simple?

Whose idea was it to monkey around with Florida’s democratic votes. You don’t touch citizens’ votes. A vote in America is sacred. That is all a citizen has that can’t be taken away.

By: Barb

Barb — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:06:19 +0000

“Worst case scenario is that in relative terms as a percentage, it decreases the shortage of pledged delegates for Obama to a greater degree than for Clinton.”

Could MI reject the 50/50 proposal and just go with zero delegates?

By: Andy

Andy — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:51:24 +0000

But you forget that the Rep. have winner takes all rules so a 50% penalty isn’t as bad as it’d be for Dem. where everything is “proportional”. And in FL the Rep. legislature was also involved so it’s more complicated and the voters don’t deserve to be punished.

By: Justice MH

Justice MH — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:41:28 +0000

Why not just impose the 50% rule like the GOP rules have. The Democrats have just about the same rules and penalties.

Take away 50% of delegates in FL and MI. Then give Hillary her majority based on 55% she won, and give Obama 40% uncomm. delegates. In flordia, same formula.

In my view, Obama doesn’t deserve delegates in MI, he took his name off on purpose, but keep it fair, and give him 50% of the 40% uncommitt vote of delegates.

Now that’s fair and simple, according to DNC rules that is.

Obama needs to stop hiding behind selective rules from the DNC.

By: speaktruth

speaktruth — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:31:21 +0000

It’s the same as not counting votes at all.
Each vote cancels out other side’s vote. No net gain for Hillary who is ahead.

By: speaktruth

speaktruth — Sat, 05 Apr 2008 22:25:19 +0000

Reminds me of the things I’d try with my little sister when we’d play Monopoly.

Even when she was seven she wasn’t buying it.