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What To Do When The Democrats Ask You For Money

By Uppity Woman on April 6, 2008 at 10:22 AM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, DNC, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi

We all get them.

Those pleading requests in the mail from Pelosi, Dean and other Obama- Primary fixers. While I am not a fan of this Obama-Love site, I have to post this page to show you how “well” the DNC has done so far with fund-raising.

As you can see, they aren’t exactly raking in the dough compared to the GOP. I speculate that this is because more people are donating directly to their candidates. I just want to remind all Hillary supporters that half of those people are you!

Every Hillary Clinton supporter I know has decided to send his or her money directly to Hillary. I mean, why give money to the very people who are sabotaging her? Why give money to people who condone humiliating, derisive and sexist behavior from the camp of their Chosen One? Why give money to people who don’t represent your interests? Why give money to people who encourage sexism and not only ensure that it’s alive and well, but that sexism is thriving, while simply everything you say about Obama is racist. I mean, I was writing a post not long ago and found myself removing the word “colorful”. No kidding! You can’t make this crap up. They want us to walk with two feet in one shoe, worship that mediocre empty suit, and if we don’t, we are racists. But calling Hillary a whore is really OK. Talk about the Audacity of Arrogance – these same people actually imagine that if they Fix this primary for Baby Jesus, we Hillary people will fall at his feet and go with him in November. Perhaps he will offer us all a kiss for a vote. Leland Gaunt would be proud of his charm.

What the Obama campaign and the Democratic Party Fixers don’t understand is, if they think we are pissed off now, they don’t know pissed-off. Our anger today will seem like a day at the beach compared to what we will be feeling after The Fix.

So what was the last straw that prompted me to come up with a suggestion for what to do when the Obama Party sends you a contribution request? Well, as you all know, Randi Rhodes recently called Hillary Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro whores. The video of this went viral. So what does the Obama campaign do? In a concerned (tongue in cheek) wimpy “response,” Obama campaign put up a little note at his my.barackobama web site on the page where they previously pimped Randi’s evening with cheering sexists (“Join us!”). The note merely says that the Obama campaign had nothing to do with this event and blah blah blah. To be sure, others are checking into where the money for that evening went.

Here is my idea on what all Hillary supporters should do when they receive contribution requests in the mail:

Don’t throw away that solicitation from The Party! Do this instead:

1) Fill in “$0.00″ on the donation amount line. I suggest a red pen.

2) Copy one of the filthy messages you have seen written by an Obamazoid on one of the message boards we have been driven from. If it’s difficult to pick just one, go ahead and copy a few more. We all know it’s a gold mine out there.

3) Staple the filthy, disgusting message to the donation request–and tell Howard, Nancy, or whomever no longer represents you to get your donation from the person who wrote the message.

4. Annotate the message and tell them you know they no longer represent you and that you are going to go make a donation to Hillary Clinton right now. Also mention that you are not stupid and know that they helped Barack Obama block the re-votes of Florida and Michigan and that you will not tolerate primary fixing.

5) Go to http://www.hillaryclinton.com and make a donation there.

I would like to help everyone do this, but I need your help.

I ask that you copy the most offensive filthy, threatening and/or sexist messages you have seen about Hillary or about yourself and paste these messages in the Comments section of this post. Don’t forget to include a link to the site so that we can appropriately let them know where these pigs hang out, which is pretty much everywhere these days. Participants can then just copy them from the Comment section if they would like. The more filthy, sexist, threatening comments we collect, the better.

The fun part will be watching some of the messages disappear, but it won’t matter. We should be accustomed to that kind of thing. Things change at Baby Jesus Obama’s site all the time. As I said, A fish starts to stink at the head. There are links at the Obama web site that go up and come down and then go up again, depending on which way the wind is blowing. The Black Panthers link comes to mind. So don’t worry about the burden of proof. You won’t need it. The Party will get the message. The important thing is that you let them know that you understand they no longer represent Democracy or You. Let them know you aren’t giving them a dime. Ever. If you are planning to change your voter registration to Independent, let them know that too!

Don’t forget to add a note about Florida and Michigan too! Tell them you won’t accept these states being “seated” after the Fix is In For Obama. Also, if you can find it in your hearts, sign this petition for our disenfranchised brothers and sisters in Florida and Michigan.

Hillary Supporters! You rock!

Hyper Educated Uppity Woman

  • John

    Off-topic a bit, but I just have to post this:

    Gloria Berger on Matthews’s show: “After June 22, the DNC will get all the Superdelegates together and tell them, hold a Press Conference, announce that you are all for one candidate, RIGHT NOW.”

    If I were a Superdelegate, and I was “told” by the DNC to decide before the convention, I would tell the DNC to shove it up their asses. Who died and made these people czars of my party?

    Berger went on to agree that Clinton was throwing everything she could at Obama to make it harder for him to win in November, so she could try again in 2012– “these people like second chances.”

    Andrew Sullivan, asked if Clinton will try again- “Gollum (sic) will never possess the ring.” How’s that for sexism?

    Right now I’m listening to Robert Casey Jr. acting like a lobotomized zombie, bleating the Obama talking points- “people are waiting in line in the cold just to shake Obama’s hand, I’ve never seen a candidate inspire people this way, he inspires people of all ages, he’s so inspiring..” ugh. Take a cold shower, Bob.

    • simon

      Right now I’m listening to Robert Casey Jr. acting like a lobotomized zombie, bleating the Obama talking points- “people are waiting in line in the cold just to shake Obama’s hand, I’ve never seen a candidate inspire people this way, he inspires people of all ages, he’s so inspiring..” ugh. Take a cold shower, Bob.

      Do you sometimes get the feeling this Obama strategy was laid out by some media crew about 4 weeks ago, and no adjustments were made, despite the shift in public countenance?

      I feel as if I’m listening to a Cheney Bush press conference, the ones where they stupidly assert “they’re creating their own reality,” all the way to defeat.

      How’d that work out for them, anyway?

      These pundits become more and more irrelevant every day, what a joke, no credibility, at all, media astroturf taking pictures of each other, for each other, but no one else pays attention.

      Creating their own reality, indeed…

      • http://www.correntewire.com/blog/myiq2xu myiq2xu

        Is there any candidate alive, in either party, that could take the relentless hammering by the press that Hillary has taken the last few months?

        Besides Bill, of course.

        • simon

          I would say no, the Clintons have had to bear the brunt of the hate speech, domestically.

          If she does become President, we will most likely have our first near bullet proof President, in terms of susceptibility toward psyops, both foreign and domestic.

          And unlike Bush, she won’t have to be cloistered, avoiding emotional triggers in a futile effort to maintain a controlled, balanced environment. This let’s her operate freely in an information ecosystem, hopefully leading to better Presidential decisions, of which she is capable (Obama is not). Mark Penn will not be running the White House, as I suppose Axelrod, or the new Rezko would, under Obama.

          She can do the job, keep her sense of self, and grow. She leads, the buck stops with her, not her media teams.

          I would say it’s difficult for us to imagine the level of hate and vitriol projected at a candidate, the psyhcological assault, violence, the myriad ways in which a president’s psychology can be affected. They’re only human.

          IMO.

          And McCain, well, I guess we will see who pulls those strings.

          • simon

            lets, and psychological, sorry, not awake enough yet…

      • Fran

        Simon: I want to believe they are irrelevant, but since most voters are woefully uninformed and easily manipulated, it does have an effect. Hillary’s “favorability” ratings have plummeted, and it’s definitely due to the relentless negative character assassination by the Obama campaign and their media surrogates. Also, the “she should drop out/can’t win” meme is causing people to question their vote for her and to stop donating (according to Clinton callers). I’m just hoping she, Bill and Chelsea can get to enough people in person so they can hear her for themselves. Why aren’t there more Clinton surrogates defending her on these shows–are they just not invited for a counter argument? How do we combat this massive PR campaign against her?

    • Fred

      Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took by holding a brief news conference outside during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday . That was less than a day after the pledge took effect Saturday, and Obama is the first Democratic presidential candidate to visit Florida since then.
      http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/sep/30/obama-vows-do-whats-right/?news-breaking

      • http://speaktruth speaktruth

        Obama also ran $1.4 million of TV commercials in Florida before the primary there.

        The ONLY candidate to do so. And we hear nothing about that. Imagine if Hillary had done that?

        I know people in Florida who were shocked when the first commercial came on. And there were a lot of them before the primary.

        No campaigning indeed.

        This was definitely against those RULES. And the rules state there are consequences for those violations. I don’t remember exactly but it might be not having any of their votes counted. Which would mean Hillary getting 100% of delegates in Florida. Which would put her definitely ahead, give her nomination. Why don’t we hear anything about that? Oh, right, it was another one of those wrong buttons. An oversight, part of cable package. Yeah, right.

        Will he use those excuses for incompetence or lies if he is president? No accountability. Again.

    • BernieO

      When Russert asked Rendell if the fact that the Clintons have made millions in the last few years would turn off the people in Altoona I wanted Ed to say, “Well, Tim, if average Americans refused to trust people who make a lot of money, NBC would not be willing to give you a mult-milllion dollar salary.” It would have been fun to see Russert do his “Buffalo bubba” act to prove he is just a blue collar guy.
      No one mentioned that the Obamas make a lot more money than the Clintons did at the same point in their lives.

      • Five Thirty

        I wanted Ed to say, “Well, Tim, if average Americans refused to trust people who make a lot of money, NBC would not be willing to give you a mult-milllion dollar salary.” It would have been fun to see Russert do his “Buffalo bubba” act to prove he is just a blue collar guy.

        Exactly! If only!

        • simon

          In their social class, the Clintons are poor relations.

          If the money isn’t illegal, why begrudge them a comfortable standard of living?

          Unlike Obama, and his “Chicago way” of earning income, stealing from the public, ala Rezko.

          Shouldn’t voters be more concerned with the possible illegalities Obama may have committed, through Rezko, and others?

          And btw, for some reason, I just keep thinking his fundraising numbers are inflated.

        • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

          I can’t help it if the Clinton’s value to the public is more than Barack Obamas. They, like, you know, actually achieved things.

      • Fleaflicker

        This whole the Clintons are rich meme is frickin ridiculous. Look at how many taxes they have paid. Look at how much money they gave to charity. Look at all the wonderful things Bill’s Foundation does. Look at how much Hillary does and has done for the less fortunate.

        This is all so very ridiculous.

        • Fran

          Let’s put it into perspective too: Tom Cruise makes $30 million dollars for one movie. The executive at Bear Stearns who caused the whole corporation to go in the toilet just received a buy out package of $60 million. The Clintons have been public servants for almost 4 decades, and Bill was two-term president. They were rewarded for their hard-earned knowledge in book sales and speaking engagements. And then, they didn’t pay the 20% tax rate of most multi-millionaires–they paid the full rate. Clinton Derangement Syndrome has gotten so bad, someone actually criticized them on TV today for donating to charity, suggesting that “people who do so usually want something!” Hello?! Donating to charity is now considered suspicious and evil…I wonder how much the Hallowed Reagan made in speaking engagements since he left office? And, does this mean Oprah can possibly help middle and low income families because she is a billionaire?

    • lifelong dem leaving party

      “these people” – can you imagine if hillary used those words?

    • Fredster

      I posted this on riverdaughter’s site also.

      If Barry’s supporters are the affluent,educated group they purport to be, why aren’t they donating to the DNC so their (and the DNC”s) chosen one can have a nice party in Denver?

      • Fleaflicker

        Because they are already tapped out from buying votes, paying off the network media and paying for bloggers to attack every single positive thing said about Hillary.

        • Fredster

          LOL!

          Good comeback Flea! Buying an entire presidential election is ‘spensive!

          What if they threw couldn’t throw a party cuz they was broke!

    • jimbo

      Mutiny:

      We can put a stop to the FL – MI problem. Take the pledge:
      “If MI and FL are not brought into the national picture immediately and their votes counted, and if Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will vote in the presidential election in November only if HRC is the nominee. If MI and FL are returned to the national picture immediately and their votes counted, then I will vote for the Democratic nominee whomever it is”.

      If enough of us take the pledge then Dean has few choices. If he makes the wrong choice then Obama will have no chance to be President. Period. The only choice for Dean is to bring FL and MI into the equation, now.

  • John

    Moments after bloviating about Obama’s big crowds in Pennsylvania, Casey responds to Gov. Rendell’s pointing out that Hillary has won all the big states by saying “look, you can’t predict the general election based on the results in the primaries.”

    You can’t make this shit up. Obamabots will say ANYTHING, even if it contradicts what they said in their last breath. Even if it contradicts what they said in the SAME breath.

    Does Casey plan on getting a reverse lobotomy when the election is over?

    • NagNancy

      I’m from Pa and had to hold my nose to vote for Casey… I was voting AGAINST Santorum. I’m glad that Santorum is gone, but now we have anti-abortion rights self-rightous Casey Jr who was always a primadonna. I don’t think Casey’s crush on Obama will convince too many Pa folks… I think that the vast majority of votes for Casey in Pa were just votes against Santorum. I live in NE PA which is heavily for Clinton, despite the fact that Casey’s father was highly regarded around here. Scranton even has a Hotel Casey. Fact is, Casey Jr isn’t his father, what he says goes in one ear and out the other around here.

      • BernieO

        He’s another Lieberman.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        Ewwwwwwwww Santorum….shiver…

        I don’t blame you. I would have voted for Dracula if he was running against Santorum.

      • llilytoo

        I’m from PA too and I agree with your post about Casey. People outside Pa who see him on TV think he’s zombie like cause he is for Obama….no he’s always zombie like. As you say, his one point is he’s not Santorum

  • Mel

    I have 3 suggestions for the DNP:

    1-Knowing Axelrod is a master internet manipulator, and Obama claims to rake in so much money each month from his support base, which is mostly college kids, Obama’s campaing should show how these poor college kids are supplying so much money to the DNP, so the DNP can follow suit, or find out Axelrod is manipulating Big interest money hidden in thousands of small donations!

    2-Obama called yesterday for a 50/50 split in Michigan, claiming Clinton should keep her word. Fair enough Clinton should do so only if Obama keeps his word over fair campaigning and no “Politics of old and smear campaigning”, and releases to Clinton ALL the delegates from the States he lied, manipulated, sured the race card and stacked the vote in! Well that would leave Obama with Iowa! So Dean enforce the rules and the word the candidates stated throughout this campaign!

    3-The DNP releaves Brazile of her Super Delegate status for lying on ABC last week over the rules commitee selections, and Clinton supporters will consider some sort of donations after a fair and silenced DNP leader rhetoric from here on out!

    • John

      And don’t forget, when you get your DNC funding request, send back your complaints using THEIR prepaid envelope, and do NOT affix your own first-class stamp. The money they are forced to use is money they can’t use to manipulate the process and bash Hillary.

      • Shainzona

        Sorry – I just posted the same thing below…didn’t see your comment! You’re right!

      • Fleaflicker

        I didn’t give them a dime. Nor will I. And if they ever send me another fundraising survey after what I wrote on the last one I will call them up and give them an ear full. I’m not exactly shy.

    • jes

      I don’t recall Hillary ever promising to give BHO 50% of the MI delegates. She would be a total fool. And Hillary doesn’t strike me as a fool.

  • Vimes

    Oh, this link from that site is precious: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/04/howard-dean-faces-aggress_n_95122.html

    Dean gets pissed at Clinton supporters while asking for money. Clinton supporters in the room say “yeah, well work out a MI/FL solution buddy”

  • jes

    “It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
    Joseph Stalin

    I changed my registeration to Independent a couple of weeks ago. I have been a life-long Democrat so this was quite a sea change in my perceptions of the Dem party and it’s leadership.

    I won’t rehash the 2000 and 2004 elections here but there was a very strong feeling that the Repug’s stole both elections. The first time via the Supreme Court decision to annoint Bush and the second time by altering the vote count in Ohio via Diebold’s machinations.

    When Pelosi and Reid became the head of the majority in the House and the Senate I was ecstatic, especially about Pelosi.

    They had a mandate from the people when the Dem’s took charge to end the war and hopefully, impeach Bush. Both of them have proven to be such spineless human beings, who have repeatedly laid down and played dead for Bush, that I feel an incredible amount of disgust for both of them, especially Pelosi since the Dem’s have a true majority in the House. They haven’t even managed such a basic task as to to get the troops the armour that they promised.

    Now we have this fiasco with the DNC essentially giving the death penalty to the voters of MI and FL, courtesy of Dean and his cronies, such as Brazille. These people don’t care if they disenfranchise millions of voters. Their only concern is that Obama win this nomination, through fair means or foul. They are so short-sighted that they don’t seem to realise or care that any candidate that wins under such circumstances will be perceived as illegitement by over 50% of the Dem voters.

    It was litterally the last straw when the Obama supporters, such as Leahy and Richardson, tried to push Hillary from the race, and that idiot Pelosi made her biased statements against Hillary. It’s so obvious that the DNC leadership is in the tank for Obama. And they’re the ones that decide how the votes are counted.

    I always thought the Dems were morally superior to the Repug’s. But now I can see that, for the most part, all of these politicians are incredibly corrupt, self-serving, spineless, morally bankrupt individuals.

    • blobert

      I’m thinking strongly about going independent, now that left wing behavior and right wing behavior are indistinguishable.

      It seems like it is time for a 3rd party. The Republican middle is disenfranchised by the religious zealots and hyper wealthy. The progressive middle is disenfranchised by the latte fringe.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        I’ve also decided that I will do that if A Fix is done on this primary.

    • mimi

      I will be doing the same. Only the day after Election Day.

    • yikes

      I can understand why you would want to give up on the party. I felt that way too four years ago when Kerry won. I am sad for our party because we are now in an impossible situation. I don’t particularly like the power that Iowa and NH have in nominating the next president. Even so, there is no way to resolve Michigan and Florida without angering half of the party. There is no good solution to this mess. Count the votes of a state where Obama’s name was not even on the ballot and you will have just as many people angry and ready to leave the party.

      The irony of it is that I now see Hillary supporters coming around to the realization that Dean supporters had in 2004. We felt like our party wasn’t respecting its members, and like it was spineless when it came to getting things done. We swore that we were going to quit the party – take our vote and money and go home. Instead we got active. Rather than give up on a party that we felt had abandoned us we decided to work hard to make it better. We worked on congressional campaigns, started Democratic clubs, and started to infiltrate the ranks of those in charge of the state parties.

      If you are angry about how the party is behaving, do something about it. Work to make it better.

      • simon

        In this case, though, you have party leaders who were supposed to be better, clumsily trying to subvert the electoral process, by skewing for a fatally flawed, unelectable candidate.

        Kerry was not as dirty as Obama.

        • yikes

          In our case we had party leaders who were supposed to be better skewering our candidate. Do you lack all memory of how Clinton’s DLC friends and the party establishment worked together to bring Dean down? Gephardt had a picture of him morphing into Osama bin Laden on his website for crying out loud. Unlike some Hillary supporters I am willing to admit that my candidate made some mistakes in his campaign (I was there in person for the scream…yeargh), but we had every reason to be mad in ’04.

          My point is that we were terribly angry at the party and the system. We were very much ready to give up. Instead we got active and it has been rewarding to watch as our actions have had a real effect on the party and on politics as a whole. I am challenging Hillary supporters to do more than complain. I am challenging you to stop whining about the party, pick yourselves up and get to work changing things. You might actually find that we have a lot in common. I’m sick of Pelosi and Reid getting nothing done in the Senate and congress. If you want to work for a strong party that gets things done I will gladly work by your side.

          • simon

            Do you lack all memory of how Clinton’s DLC friends and the party establishment worked together to bring Dean down?

            Up to three weeks ago, I would have agreed with you.

            After seeing his complete failure and pettiness as leader of the DNC, his complete inability to resolve this issue, fairly, I can only think god the man was never elected President.

            • simon

              I can thank god, too…

              sorry…

            • Northwest rain

              After seeing his complete failure and pettiness as leader of the DNC, his complete inability to resolve this issue, fairly, I can only think god the man was never elected President.

              Have you been reading my mind??

            • yikes

              Think or thank him, it’s all OK.

              I don’t think Dean should resolve the issue right now.

              If the votes are counted as is, a good portion of the party will quit. If the votes are not counted a good portion of the party will quit. I think it makes the most sense to wait and decide how the MI and FL delegates will be counted after the other primaries are over.

              I don’t have a problem with him saying that the super D’s should decide by July. That gives everyone a chance to vote and allows them to see where the voters stand. It will not be good for Hillary or Barack or the party if there is a floor fight at the convention.

              • SDean

                you have to be kidding! let ALL the states vote and let the SD choose, BEFORE the convention??? hey, we held a fair primary in florida and we DEMAND to be counted!! OB is the one blocking it. the dnc forgets florida but they certainly will get a huge reminder when november comes and we go out in droves to vote for john mccain! the dnc is a joke and ob is running a 48 state circle jerk.

            • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

              I agree. I am glad he got ditched in his Presidential bid now. As a leader he is a dismal failure. I’m even glad he’s not my doctor!

              What brought Dean down was the media, when they removed the loud background from his speech. So you would think Dean would remember how it feels to be set up. Apparently it hasn’t affected his ability to do it to Hillary. And If anybody in the party was hacking at him it was that miserable skull and bones turncoat Kerry, who should go down in history as the biggest ripoff candidate to ever victimize the democratic party.

            • llilytoo

              I have to agree and that’s amazing to me. Either Dean is so petty that he willing to gut democracy to pay back the Clintons, or he’s totally over his head. Either way,he’s a shocking failure

              • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

                Dean is afraid. Just like the rest of us. Obama mission accomplished.

          • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/06/obama-deals-the-slave-card/#more-2080 waldenpond

            I am challenging you to stop whining about the party, pick yourselves up and get to work changing things.

            I have decided to take your advice. I was going to just stay home or write in Clinton’s name. But you are right, that would just be giving up. So I have decided to step up to the plate…. If Obama gets the nomination, I am going to actively campaign for McCain… maybe then the Democratic Party will, I don’t know, do something like represent the interests of the people (something which seems to have gotten shoved by the wayside again while they have been rigging the system to get their guy elected.) Maybe, just maybe, if Obama loses, they won’t pull this crap again.

      • mimi

        “We worked on congressional campaigns, started Democratic clubs, and started to infiltrate the ranks of those in charge of the state parties.”

        And a lot of good that did.

        No impeachment proceedings. NO movement on Iraq. And a Primary Season that’s turned into a nightmare. And still no sage direction coming from the Party’s leadership.

        You are already parroting the Party’s message with Obama as the nominee.

        Here’s my response:

        WIN WITHOUT ME!

        • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

          And me.

          And all my Garlic Nose relatives and friends. There are only 6 million Italians in the USA. And I could pretty safely tell you none of them I know will be voting for Barry and his spiritual advisor.

          He’s not only adept at escaping badly needed scrutiny by using the race card and doing more harm to African Americans then any man I have known in America, but he’s a bigot himself besides.

          Win without me and my Garlic Nosed friends.

        • yikes

          Did I say that the job was done? It’s not. We’ve met tremendous resistance from party insiders, DLCers in particular. Even so it’s rewarding to watch as change is made. Every time a senator or congressperson changes their position under pressure from the grassroots it’s a huge success.

          I don’t think you want direction from the party leadership, when they give direction both sides get angry.

          My guess is that the primaries will play out, and some way will be found to count Michigan and Florida. There is no way for everyone to be happy about it.

          As for the party’s message with Obama as the nominee, as far as I’m concerned the primary isn’t over yet. As angry as I have been with Clinton and her supporters I have said repeatedly that I will vote for her if she manages to win. Are you big enough to do the same? I am asking you Clinton supporters to do what is right for America rather than just your candidate. I am suggesting that we work together regardless of who becomes the nominee in order to make the party stronger and tougher. I am suggesting that we get a Democrat, ANY Democrat elected and then hold their feet to the fire if they fail to keep their promises.

          I want someone to pay for what happened to Valerie Plame. I want Cheney arrested. I want Rove arrested. I want our troops safe and out of Iraq. I want us to take the lead in fighting global warming, I want good jobs for Americans, and for a decrease in the growing rich/poor gap, I want corporations to be responsible for their actions, I want progressives on the Supreme Court, and I want a strong party that gets things done. That won’t happen under a President McCain. When I hear Clinton supporters talk about how it needs to get worse before things get better I’m reminded of the Nader voters who said the same thing about George Bush in 2000. Was it worth it? How many lives have been sacrificed because of his presidency? How many more will be sacrificed under McCain and his 100 year war? Will their loss be worth it in order to get Hillary elected in 2012?

          • TeakWoodKite

            . We’ve met tremendous resistance from party insiders, DLCers in particular

            Who is we?

            I have heard the arguement that if BO gets the nod the Dem’s will get stuck with the fall out from a rethug nightmare.

            I agree that many in the democratic party want many of the same things resolve that have occured over the last 8 years.

            When I hear Clinton supporters talk about how it needs to get worse before things get better

            News to me. I have not any statement to this effect. Sorry to disabuse you of the notion that Obama will be able to acomplish anything you seek. He simply does not have the intent or ability to do so.

            Does morality figure in your support?

          • Fran

            Yikes: I understand what you are trying to say, but you–like so many other Dems–are missing the point. It is not “Hillary or no one.” It is that the Obama campaign and the party leadership have turned their back on the most basic Democratic principle: one man/one vote. (And don’t even get me started on Obama hypocrisy–which is another reason I would never vote for this man.) We are choosing not to support THIS nominee–or the party–if they deliberately disenfranchise voters to select their preferred nominee. To say that “it will be settled AFTER the primaries” is code for–choose Obama because he will have the most pledged delegates and possibly the popular vote WITHOUT FL & MI, and THEN we will include FL & MI. Why would we support a party that is committing a form of fraud? For me, this IS an active political statement–that is what conscientious objection is all about. I am not going to support the party, just because it is “the party.” I don’t even recognize or respect many of these people–Kennedy, Kerry, Leahy, Dodd, Richardson. Their self-interest and grudges are vain and immature. I think we need to send them a strong message in the only way they seem to understand–money and votes.

        • Mechan

          Add me to this list….they can “try” to win without me. Should Obama be the nominee, we won’t have to worry, he’ll loose in the general..the GOP is waiting in the wings, just salvating about all the ammunition they have in the ready…
          So sad…another lost opportunity because the media and a “few chosen” want to decide another election.

    • Fleaflicker

      I haven’t done anything drastic yet. I intend to play this thing out and see what happens. But I am absolutely certain that I will NEVER be considered a loyal Democrat again after this fiasco. If someone wants my vote they are going to have to earn it and I will remain open to all takers.

  • Shainzona

    AND MAKE SURE…you send your message back to the DNC et al in their own postage paid envelope!

    There are lots of ways to make them pay!!!

    • Janis

      Duct-tape it to a brick first.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        Sweet Jesus, but I like this girl!

  • Salo

    this sounds uncomfortably like a call for an independent run.

    say it isn’t so.

    • TJ

      I don’t think it is. Just that we’re not gonna let them use our money to perpetuate their bs. If the party wants our money, then they’re gonna have to represent the whole party and not just one candidate.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      That would work for me. Anything to keep this Time Bomb known as Obama from being elected.

  • blobert

    Agreed. DNC tilted everything toward Obama from the beginning. There is no excuse for the MI and FL business.

    The democratic party has morphed into an arm of the Obama campaign.

    If he is pushed on us, it will leave the working class wondering whether we should vote Nader or just not vote.

    It also leaves us realizing that we need a progressive national newspaper now that the NYT has turned into the Snuff out Clinton Times.

    • Centrocitta

      …..Agreed. DNC tilted everything toward Obama from the beginning. There is no excuse for the MI and FL business…..

      Oh well. They must have had their reasons. Gee, I wonder what it could be.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        Make something up. Everybody else does.

  • Pandora

    If Obama is the nominee I will save my money and take my chances in 4 years. I believe Hillary will have a great shot in 4 years no matter who is the president.

    • Mel

      Smart move, as spending money on a candidate who has pissed off 10% of the population is like going to the horsetrack and betting on the horse with the broken leg, it is simply stupid to do!

      • JoeySky

        Obama has pissed off almost 100% of life long democratic base. Good luck with that.

        • yikes

          I’m a life long, fifth generation Democrat. My great-great grandmother was an alderwoman for the party before women had a right to vote. I’m for Obama, my mother is for Obama, and I’m certain if the previous generations of women in my family were alive today they’d be for Obama too. There are plenty of life long Democrats supporting Obama.

          • simon

            How can you support a man as corrupt as Obama, are you even paying attention to the Rezko trial?

            Do you think the job of the President is so easy, even an unqualified stooge like Obama, who has never done anything of significance his whole life, can operate?

            Problem is, when a candidate as psychologically weak and as corrupt as Obama is elected, others grab control of the reins, and not always who you think.

            Obama’s psychological character is revolting, given the choices he’s made, and this bodes very badly for a future president.

            You just don’t accept money from men like Nadhmi Auchi, or allow Tony Rezko to finance your campaign, and buy you a backyard.

            It’s my impression Obama has been corrupt his entire adult life.

            • yikes

              Call me cynical but I think most politicians are corrupt. Do you really want me to bring up Bill and Hillary’s scandals and choices?

              Look, I could go into the details of why I am not supporting Clinton, but I recognize that this is a pro-Clinton site. I see no need to bash your candidate unnecessarily. I feel just as strongly about her as you all do about Obama, but if she wins I will vote for her and be happy about it because this country can’t take another four years of Bush policies.

              • mr

                go vote for obama i wont.

            • Northwest rain

              The Psychopathology of Obama will keep Grad students occupied for years.

              He is not an original person — he is what his mentors make of him. He is incapable of vertical logic — or common sense.

              His advisers are going to have one hell of a bloody fight — if he against all odds does win. He’ll let them fight each other — and perhaps even assassinate each other.

              Right now we really don’t have enough information to do an in depth analysis of his personality. We have hints from his novels sort of based on his life.

              I get the feeling that he really has no idea what a President really does. At least Bush has some vague idea about what a President does and he is really really looking OLD. The Presidency ages men.

              But I believe that the core democratic voter will come through for Hillary.

              Once Hillary is elected we need to remember our anger at how Obama almost stole the nomination by gaming the caucuses etc. and change the system so that this NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN! No MORE caucus — Primary voting by Ballot only. Mail in ballots — or voting over several days — whatever system works best for each state.

              • Cee Hussein

                The Psychopathology of Obama will keep Grad students occupied for years.

                I’m sure they are reading this site now and taking notes. The numbers did spike, right?

                Once Hillary is elected

                Heh. They’re taking notes on those in denial too.

          • pm317

            You are entitled to your opinion and your choice. But so far everything I have seen and read about Obama makes me shudder at giving him my vote. Also, as a highly intelligent (if I can be immodest here) and individualistic person, I resent the fact that the media and the DNC are shoving him down our throats without giving us the full information about the candidate — makes me believe there is more than one hidden agenda here not to mention his own incompetence in convincing me the voter. Trust is something you need above and beyond to vote for a person for the highest office in the land with great implications to the rest of the world — we have already wasted 8 years of what could have been (do you know the value of a dollar now?). Obama has not earned my trust.

            • yikes

              As a highly intelligent and individualistic person I don’t believe in giving ANY candidate my full trust. As a whole politicians are slimy creatures. Our responsibility as citizens does not end in the ballot box, it is our job to keep them on their toes by continuously informing them of what we want them to be doing once they have taken office.

              I don’t choose a candidate based on what the media is telling me, I choose based on their records and what they themselves say. I had no favorite in this election, I had a ranked list of preferences. I wanted Edwards to win Iowa, when he lost I was for Obama. It’s as simple as that.

              The more I learn about him, the more I like Obama. I think his wife is fantastic and I like the fact that he knows how to frame his statements to get more people on his side. He is the embodiment of the things George Lakoff talked about the Democrats needing to do to win elections.

              • TeakWoodKite

                what they themselves say

                It is what they do that matters.

                • yikes

                  Yes, that’s why I said that records matter.

                  I don’t like Obama’s vote for the Patriot Act and for Cheney’s energy bill.

                  I don’t like Edwards’ votes for the Patriot Act, the war, or NCLB.

                  I don’t like Hillary’s votes for the war, the Patriot Act, NCLB, or her changing support of NAFTA. Since she also seems to take credit for Bill’s presidency I don’t like the fact that we lost the House and Senate two years into his tenure, and I can’t stand the fact that they created the sellout DLC.

                  When I stack these ACTIONS against each other Obama wins in my book.

                  • Samantha

                    yikes-

                    You might as well vote for McCain.

                  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

                    Speaking of energy, how do you feel about Obama’s promise to pass a bill so that his consituents won’t be victims of an Exelon radiation leak…again. You see, he promised a bill to make it mandatory for Exelon to warn residents IMMEDIATELY if it ever happened again. Then he watered the bill to make is “volutary” for Exelon to warn residents the next time they accidentally mutate their genes.

                    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

                      Did I mention that Exelon is a big contributor to the Obama campaign?

                    • mel

                      Exeloc, General Dynamics, Gereral Electric, a host of war profiters support Obama!

                      One thing we can take from the Obama campaign is what MICHELLE Obama said in not being able to vote for Clinton if Barack loses, well we take the same view Michelle and can’t vote for Obama if Clinton loses!

              • fooj

                Well, if you think his wife is fantastic you aren’t paying attention. Wasn’t Michelle the person who said “I don’t know if I could vote for Hillary.”? How’s THAT for unity? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

    • John

      I’m with you. I’ve told Obamabots before that I will NOT be blackmailed into voting for their fraud with arguments about the Supreme Court or the War in Iraq or the Economy. If they thought that Hillary supporters would just flock to Obama because of those things, and that they therefore could treat us like shit in the meantime, they are in for a very rude awakening.

      I don’t think that a President Obama would be a big improvement over a President McCain- in fact, I think four years of a President Obama could wreck the Democratic Party and would certainly give the GOP huge majorities in Congress in 2010 and 2012.

      For me, the choice is pretty easy- I’ll take a single term of President McCain if it means that the stranglehold the Obamabots have on my party is broken for good. I understand now how millions of Republicans must have felt in 1964, when they watched their party get taken over by the lunatic fringe. I won’t make a similar comparison using Democrats in 1972, because McGovern was just slimed- he was never the unreasonable nutcase CREEP made him out to be.

      If Obama is given the nomination, the way to save the Democratic party is to let McCain win, I’m afraid.

      • mimi

        “For me, the choice is pretty easy- I’ll take a single term of President McCain if it means that the stranglehold the Obamabots have on my party is broken for good. I understand now how millions of Republicans must have felt in 1964, when they watched their party get taken over by the lunatic fringe.”

        My thoughts exactly. I’ve already battened down the hatches.

        • BernieO

          My biggest concern about McCain is that he could possibly appoint 2 or 3 Supreme Court judges. That effect would last for years.

          • mimi

            “My biggest concern about McCain is that he could possibly appoint 2 or 3 Supreme Court judges. That effect would last for years.”

            To quote Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive:

            “I don’t care!”

            • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

              ROFL mimi.

            • John

              Ditto. I mean really, abortion rights are NOT going to be overturned by the Supreme Court. Gay rights are NOT going to be defended by this court, a court with Obama appointees, or a court with McCain appointees. Wiretap authority? Won’t even GET to the court.

              So sorry, the SCOTUS argument has been beaten to death and it’s just not going to work anymore.

              • Janis

                Even if abortion rights are screwed with you know what? This woman is not going to be held over a barrel on choice anymore. I’m tired of it. They treat us like garbage because they’re fucking BLACKMAILING us. Screw them. No more.

            • http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/06/what-to-do-when-the-democrats-ask-you-for-money/#comment-181814 waldenpond

              The Democrats already allowed Alito and Roberts. Obama is one of those that broke the filibuster of Alito and wanted to vote for Roberts until he was told not to. Obama also voted for the nomination of Griffith who is no friend of equality for women in education. He has homophobes campaigning with him, McClurkin, and has pro-life Casey. I don’t care what Obama says, his actions show me he has no regard for equal rights.

      • ginaswo

        my thoughts exactly
        hubby and I lifelong Dems, will never give Obama out votes, the DNC has the fix in since Brazile helped lead the charge to strip all the dels instead of the 50% the RULES called for in Aug of 07, they appear to think the Dem base is stupid, will go Indy the day they push HRC out and they will never see a dime from us again, We will back Hill all the way to the floor of the convention and if we have to wait until 2012, We made it thru 8 yrs of Dubyha we can survive 4 yrs of McCranky if the DNC and leadership think they can steal the office of POTUS they can think again, we are not the GOP voters to go along with disenfranchisement when it suits our ‘ends’

      • pm317

        I agree with you. We should vote these bastards out and clean it up in the next four years. I want a party that is run honorably and with fairness and justice. When they come back to those principles, I will give them my support.

        Actually Sullivan declared that McCain and Obama are not that far apart..

        From TM:
        Andrew Sullivan stepped in it on Tim Russert’s MSNBC show this weekend that showcased a trifecta of Clinton haters: Russert, Sullivan and Christopher Hitchens; though Hitchens is at least amusing and incredibly bright, with Sullivan, whether you like him or not (though his Clinton derangement is embarrassing), being very earnest if nothing else. Anyway, Sullivan was talking about Iraq, John McCain and Barack Obama, when he let this little beauty slip without any sense of irony or the damage it could cause his favorite candidate:

        “I actually think they’re not as far apart as some people say.” – Andrew Sullivan

        Out of the mouths of Obama babblers.

        • mimi

          “I actually think they’re not as far apart as some people say.” – Andrew Sullivan

          Out of the mouths of Obama babblers. “

          Geez, you can’t make this shit up!

    • llilytoo

      I agree. After the Obomba loss, Hillary will be the Democratic party . Dean and his crowd are done. So why become an independent when the crooked party leadership is going over a cliff? Hillary becoming an independent would be a life line to these DNC losers. She needs to stay in the race AND the Party

  • http://www.myspace.com/rokski Paul F. Villarreal AKA “Universal”

    I will not donate one cent for the rest of this election cycle if Obama is nominated.

    I can’t FREAKING believe that our party’s ‘leaders’ are actually seriously considering going against the will of Democratic voters in their choice of a nominee. Hillary is well ahead in that metric, and will finish in that same position.

    DNC — you better pull it together.

    I want to let people here know that I have updated my “Democrats should not vote for Obama if he is nominated” article with a list of references at the end of the piece. More references will be added, additionally, as time allows throughout the day:

    http://www.villarrealsports.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=343

    It’s a useful list which also includes links to some of the more memorable “YouTube Obama ‘campaign ads’” videos (4 and counting).

    Hope everyone’s having a great day. Sunny and nice here in northeast PA.

    :)

    • simon

      Well, maybe I can ask you, Universal.

      I would like to donate to Boxer, but I am so disgusted with Obama, and the DNC, I’m holding back.

      Do you think she’s of the DNC mind, or is she more hip to the Obama trick, for lack of a better word.

      Don’t know if you know, but I’m looking for a way to vet the candidates more closely, and the first step is their support, or lack of, for Obama.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        Why not ask Barbara Boxer what her opinion is?

        • simon

          Often times, it’s best to rely on the observations of the people who are familiar with the candidate (IMO, anyway) I like to hear what the community consensus is, outside looking in.

      • dwmorris

        Boxer has committed to Clinton. See:

        http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

        It’s important to support Boxer and all super delegates that keep the faith. If you want to punish the DNC and Obama super delegates with a boycott, more power to you … but it’s counterproductive to blindly boycott people in the Clinton camp.

        BTW Super delegates are a more important pressure point than the DNC because they are going to make the decision. Spread the word!

  • sbendforhill

    The democratic party will implode over this mess. If they don’t seat and COUNT the votes of Florida and Michigan, there will be a mass exodus from the democratic party. I will not stay in the democratic party and will register as an independent as soon as our Indiana primary is over. They get no money from me. When I give, it will be to Hillary. I really like the idea of saving for the 2012 primary. Hillary can run again after Obama bombs out this year.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      Good thinking. He will lose. We will be stuck with the Old Man for four years. The war will continue, but it would continue under Obama anyhow, since his ties to the middle east are easily noticeable to anybody but the brain dead. Only difference is the guns will be pointed in the other direction.

  • Mel

    To protest the actions of the DNP, here is a simple solution that will cost them, when you get your request from them with the prepaid envelope in it for money, fill out the forms, place a card in it saying: the amount enclosed is representative of the amonut respect the DNP leaders are showing Hillary, Florida and Michigan and request a tax recept!

    • Mel

      opps, forgot, place a single cent into the envelope!

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        Yeah. A penny! I like it!

    • JoeySky

      Excellent idea.!

  • KitKat

    Great article. I have a DNC request that I received yesterday and will do as you suggest.

    And Obama’s comment about Hillary keeping her word….like he kept his word not to campaign in Florida? HE broke HIS PLEDGE….

    Moreover, regardless of what the candidates agreed to, it is up to the DNP to decide whether its the party of 48 or 50 states. Hillary is the candidate for all 50 states and she is fighting for their voices to be heard. GO HILLARY!

  • http://OUTRAGEDBUTNOTSURPRISED bama_barrron

    for those of you considering dropping out of the democratic party … i would ask that you take time to talk to the local democratic candidates in your areas … state congressional candidates, mayors, county commissioners, et al. if your area is anything like mind, there is an embarrassment of great candidates who truly do reflect the values of our wonderful party. personally, i will help out hillary’s campaign as i can but most my efforts are now focused on several state races and three county commissioner candidates.

    on another note, i was working at the local county democratic office this week … i volunteer four hours every week … when some obama staffers arrived. they assumed the whole office was supporting “the great one” and were rather taken aback when they were informed the office was neutral … we register people and link to them every democratic candidate in the county. the head obamaborg actually dropped my hand and stepped back when he was informed i was a hillary supporter … it was like i had farted in church LMAO. of course it gave me a great opportunity to assure him that the party was larger then any one candidate. this candy ass certainly didnt like what he was hearing! the real bad news … the obama office moved next door … there goes the neighborhood as they say. oops, does this make me a racist? LMAO

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      I am a known Democrat in my city. I have served in elected office. My friend is now my congressman, a man I served with locally and worked with. A man who gave me his headquarters to operated from. Barack Obama is nothing standing next to this man. Absolutely nothing. He is also a strong Hillary supporter. He is a good and caring person and I will always donate to his re-elections and work for him, but I will STILL leave this party if Democracy is removed from the equation. I don’t need a party to tell me who is worthy and who isn’t. I only need an IQ. I have been a proud and active Democrat, active in many ways. Leaving the party would eliminate my chances of ever running for office again successfully. And I don’t care. I feel that strongly that this primary is being manipulated by fear and force and that a woman who has done nothing but good for people is being degraded right before my eyes. The Democratic party no longer represents me. They have morphed into something sinister.

      The right to vote is a very fundamental right in America and I never thought I would see the Democratic party thwart it. I am thoroughly ashamed and I will not remain in this party if Florida and Michigan do not get a chance to vote. Time is running out and I know that Barack Obama blocked these revotes. That in itself is a statement about what he is willing to do to “win” but it is an even larger statement when my party condones it and helps thwart this fundamental right so that their Chosen One can be the candidate. Shameful. Absolutely shameful. I would despise myself for pretending I could ever condone such a thing by remaining in this party.

      Just shameful. I would expect this from the Republican party, but I never dreamed I would see it in the Democratic party. The Democratic party can kiss my ass.

      • jes

        “We have met the enemy and he is us”.

        The Republican radical right-wing stole the last two presidential elections and the Democratic radical left-wing is in the process of stealing this one.

        • simon

          The Republican radical right-wing stole the last two presidential elections and the Democratic radical left-wing is in the process of stealing this one.

          And both are getting what they deserve.

        • Janis

          No, the Democratic radical RIGHT WING is stealing it. That’s why this country can’t get off the ground — a bird can’t fly with two right wings, can it?

          There’s no true left wing in this place. Any group of people that throws garbage like cunt, slut, whore, dyke, and bitch around over the first viable female candidate for president is not left-wing or progressive.

          • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

            I take your point well, Janis.

  • Gloria

    I gave to Hillary, but sent back the “survey” from the DNC with scathing comments re: MI and FL, as well as Wright and Obama’s inexperience. I mentioned that I was one of those “older, undervalued women voters” for good measure.

    In the meantime I took a forced “vacation” from politics because we had 3 long days of tile cleaning…

    More here on tile, dogs, and NO POLITICS:

    How to Ignore Politics Without Leaving Home
    http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/nopolitic/

    Enjoy!

  • jes

    It appears that even some of the blacks are disenchanted with Obama. Per the following article, “Barack Obama never lied to Black people, since he never offered African Americans anything.”

    “Obama suspected he could get virtually every Black vote for free, and he was right.”

    “Most of Black ‘leadership’ was now busy concocting the greatest revision of history ever attempted by people of color.”

    “Having asked for nothing but Obama’s autograph, they will get nothing from him for the next four years. No doubt, this will be a period of deep humiliation – as it should be. We’ll call it “The Years of Living Vicariously.”"

    http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=576&Itemid=1

  • Tim

    Slightly off topic but anyway, if Obama is at the top of the ballot just leave that line blank and vote for all the down ballot Democrats. If we have a President McCain with big Democratic majorities in congress he won’t be able to do much. On the other hand, if we have a President Obama with big Democratic majorities in congress he may really be dangerous.

    • norrismorris

      Obama with Dem majority will be entirely dangerous and will ruin the Party. We will then see 20 years at least of GOP rule.

      Obama is Afrocentric and he owes Wright and supporters BIG TIME. Racism will be tossed every second Obama is criticized or scrutinized.

      I will vote McCain for Pres, and vote the Democratic ticket if Obama continues to bamboozle.

      Obama’s last lie was said in stump speech Thurs that JFK made it possible for him to get here in ’59, and Kennedy money from Govt made it all possible.

      Kennedy wasn’t president in “59, and no money was given to Obama by JFK. A total lie. He also lies about his father in his book. I will deal with that one later on.

      Meanwhile,Tim your suggestion are sensible. Thanks.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Take the time to color the penny the color Red.

        Great idea.

  • pm317

    I think if Dean has any democratic principles left in him, he would have a serious conversation with Obama about what is the right thing to do now with respect to FL and MI — he would have done it by now, if he had any sense of morality and justice. He would have told Obama that he would not be a strong candidate for the PARTY if he followed his current stance. This is not about Hillary; it is everything about what the Party and what it stands for. We can all dream about the ideals, I guess.

    That said, I will not give a red cent to the party. I have received couple of emails — for the first one, I sent a scathing reply and asked to unsubscribe. But they still sent a second one. It is not just the money, it is about the volunteers — how many of us will volunteer for the party (they may say Obama has his minions now, but they will leave once Obama loses)?

    • norrismorris

      Thanks pm for a great post, and yes I too and many of my friends have sent email rather than money from DNC trolling for bucks.

      Their shameful behavior cannot be rewarded. As long as the Democratic Party acts like a wholly owned subsidiary of Barak Obama, I will not give a cent. We are talking real money here.

      I have and will continue to contribute and support candidates of my choice on a direct basis only. I have written directly to Donna Brazile, and the many email requests from DNC.

      The gangster tactics employed by party leaders,Dean, and supers, are appallingly unprofessional and transparent.

      The “FIX” is in. Dean and company are brazen and destructive to both candidates.

      I am about to become and Indie.

    • norrismorris

      Dean has proven to be inept, rigid, and politically
      corrupt.

      His inability to lead is obvious. He has conspired with Brazile [now ex-Super], and Supers to “FIX” the nomination for Obama without allowing the natural course of events to determine a rational and ethical outcome.

      The mysogynism and trash talk from the Media and Obama mouthpieces and surrogates reveals a thug like atmosphere inspired by Axelrod and tolerated by Obama.

      Dean and Pelosi & Co., have encouraged this atmosphere, and the stench is awful.

      • pm317

        why do you say DB is ex-super? I thought she was a SD.

  • TeakWoodKite

    He was rude eh? I will bet his hand shake was a wimpy as well. You know the kind that makes you think “Was that a hand shake or a milk shake?”

    the obama office moved next door So you won’t have to spend money on gas for the Intel, cool.

    I will be voting down ticket based on merit and if they supported Senator Clinton or not.

    Uppity; I like the idea of getting a big pile Oborg droppings and leaving them at the feet of “Dean’s World”. I will need a “level 5 internet suit”…

  • Centrocitta

    Glad I dropped back in here. I’m sure gettng a lot of insight. Maybe HE really was telling me the truth all along.

  • Centrocitta

    It really is better to get something you can perceive as truth instead of total silence.

  • Ann

    Here are a couple of BO supporter attacks from last night:

    Hillary Clinton is truly evil. A mad person – a mental basket case.

    Hillary IS a monster! And everybody knows that her supporters are just as stupid and evil as her. Be gone with all of them!

    ann gonzalez, where the hell exactly do you come from? I would really love to know that way I`ll be SURE to never find myselfanywhere near you. I hope your in P.RICO or somewhere on some little island far from the major 52 states,whever you are ,please crawl back under that rock you came from, and when November arrives go with McCain, I think you are a closet REP.

    This was on an ABC news story (or what they pretend is news) site. I wish my login wasn’t my name. I get hit up with this kind of racism whenever my last name is used. If this is the way BO is courting the latino vote, I think he’s got some work to do.

    • yikes

      As a Latina for Obama I am very sorry that you received this kind of treatment from Obama supporters. I don’t like how some of them behave.

      • fooj

        Unfortunately, Obama has been having his surrogates do his “dirty work” for him from the very start. He has been given a “free ride” and as a result his followers have been given the same.

        I was an Edwards supporter. Obama pulled the same crap on him. It’s a pattern. Many of us are BEYOND disgusted at his “antics” and his perpetual projections of “VICTIMIZATION”. Poor Obama. Everybody picks on him. Give me a break. His lack of honor and integrity will lead to his ultimate demise. Count on it.

        “I don’t like how some of them behave.” Accuracy dictates that “some” be replaced with “most”. Personally, I could NEVER be associated with a campaign that promotes and tolerates this type of behavior. Considering the FACT that Obama openly supported Randi’s Obama fundraiser on HIS OFFICIAL website, don’t you think the buck should stop with him? If Hillary’s official website contained racial slurs do you really think that she would get away with simply stating “Oh, anyone can post on my website. I can’t be held accountable for it.” Give me a break.

        Obama’s credibility is shot to hell. He has no one to blame but himself for that. He has been dishonest, deceptive and divisive. Period. Is this the only way boywonder thinks he can win? Apparently so. These attributes are not what make a strong and positive leader.

        How about a little truth? TRUTH IS OUR MOST POWERFUL WEAPON.

        • yikes

          You can’t handle the truth! ;-)

          Sorry, I just had to say that.

          The truth is that it is difficult to see reality when in “love” with a candidate. I think that Hillary and Obama supporters have both been over the top in this election. For every issue y’all are angry about, there is something that we Obama supporters are angry about.

          I have not liked Hillary’s campaigning style, in fact I was so angry that I was ready to leave the party and vote independent if she “stole” the nomination with super D’s.

          I then left my realm of Obama supporters, saw that others were just as angry in the other direction, and realized that we all need to cut it out. Karl Rove is loving this, and I REFUSE to do anything that makes him happy.

          SO, I volunteer myself as the punching bag. Call me an Obamabot, tell me I’m delusional, say whatever you want about me because I’m not for Hillary. I apologize for all of the attacks you have received from other Obama supporters who have been rude. Just PLEASE, let’s get over this madness in the general election!

          • John

            Yikes, I find it very amusing, and telling, that you’ve posted five or six times on this thread to tell us that you support Obama- and have yet to give us a SINGLE REASON WHY.

            And I’m certain that the “reasons” your fellow Obama supporters are “angry” at Hillary are completely fabricated- like “she played the race card in SC” or “Bill called Obama a fairy tale,” for example. I’m right, aren’t I?

            • yikes

              Opinions are subjective, that’s why they’re great. What I have learned from previous discussions with Hillary supporters is that two reasonable Democrats can look at the exact same set of circumstances and see them in very different ways. I’m not bringing up why I was angry at Hillary because I’ve been around that topic tons of times and I know that we will never agree. I’m not afraid of the debate if you really want it, but it seems like a giant waste of time. Perhaps it’s a waste of time to argue for party unity, but I will continue to do it anyway because I think it is important for us to find a way past this impasse.

              Why do I support Obama –

              I had no favorite in this race. As I have mentioned above I want the grassroots to have a bigger influence on Democratic politics and have been frustrated with party insiders fighting that prospect. That made me lean towards Edwards and Obama.

              I went to hear Obama speak in person a year ago and was not impressed. I didn’t swoon or convert in his presence. Although I am not happy with his voting record, I liked Edwards’ populist appeal during the campaign. I wanted him to win Iowa. When he lost I was for Obama.

              The three have similar platforms, my number one issue is electoral reform. I like Obama’s inclusion of the grassroots in his campaigning and fund raising. I think that we will have a better chance of influencing him if he becomes president.

              I was sold by his wife. I wasn’t particularly impressed by his calls for hope, they seemed a bit shallow to me. I liked what his wife had to say about growing up working class and about what he would do as president. It became clear to me that he is doing exactly what I have hoped a Democrat would do, he is re-framing the issues by refusing to play the game in the same old way. In his book “Don’t Think of an Elephant,” George Lakoff talked about how Republicans have won by controlling the way in which issues were framed. He argued that if Democrats were to win they would need to learn to talk about them in a different way in order to get more people on our side. That is what Obama is doing. I can understand why he would scare some Democrats because he doesn’t repeat the same old lines, but it’s really a good thing for our party.

              I have no allusions about him being some kind of perfect progressive candidate. I would truly love for someone like Russ Feingold or Barbara Boxer to be in the White House, but I’m realistic enough to realize that this will never happen. I like the fact that he has a lot of small donors giving him money, because it will give him more freedom to break the stranglehold corporations have on our government. If he doesn’t do this of his own accord, I will be perfectly willing to fight him just as hard as I’ve fought Bush and Cheney. I do think that he’s a lot more likely to listen.

              • simon

                I think you’ve missed the point, yikes, having bought into the advertising meme Obama’s manager has foisted on unsuspecting Americans. Your thoughts reveal you are essentially uninformed, living instead with a fantasy Obama, the fairy tale Bill Clinton spoke of, as opposed to the real Obama, a cynical corrupt small time hood, who most likely picks his nose, maybe even eats his boogers( is that anti brand? Oh, sorry.).

                Governments can’t function with those who prefer to be deluded.

                No candidate is perfect, all have dirt.

                No one here is enamored of Clinton, expecting her to save the world, redefining the future.

                I, at least, see her as the least corrupt, and the most competent.

                Obama, OTOH, IS a monster, both ignorant, and criminal, unelectable, with baggage unimaginable.

                You refuse to acknowledge there may be truth to that statement.

                Why?

                And if you can’t acknowledge the truth about yourself, and your views, why you make the choices you do, well, all denial is weakness, in the end, you’re just another fly in the spider’s web.

                And that’s no way to live.

                • yikes

                  If we agree that both are politicians in every sense of the word why are we fighting?

                  I look at both of their records and come to one conclusion. You look at the same data and come to another. Can’t we skip the hate and realize that it’s OK to disagree?

                  My point is this – support your candidate all you want. Vote for the Democrat in November, and then let’s BOTH fight like hell to keep whoever it is honest.

                  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

                    I think I have already answered this at length. I will not vote for a politician with connects to foreign and domestic terrorists, and who is clearly in sync with a pastor who would be in prison in any other country. It makes me fear for my country, pure and simple.

                    I cannot vote for Obama.

                  • lifelong dem leaving party

                    yikes, it is indeed ok to disagree. i disagree that we should vote for “the democrat” in november. if we simply vote for whoever the dnc and the russert/matthews clods proclaim we should, we might as well not bother having elections. i will vote for the best candidate in november, not the letter d or r next to his or her name. that means that i will vote for hillary if her name is there, else i will vote for mccain. i will never vote for obama. the d next to his name is meaningless to me, as his nomination will be the most undemocratic i have ever seen.

                    • kenoshaMarge

                      Nor will I. To support a Democratic candidate that is rammed down our throats by a party that has disenfranchised voters from two states while allowing 3 other states that moved their primaries forward to do so without punishment is rewarding liars and vote thieves. I didn’t approve of or support such actions from the Republicans, why on earth would I do so just because the culprits are Democrats? That would be hypocrisy of the highest magnitude.

                      I may not be the brightest bulb in the chandelier but I ain’t all that stupid either. Reward bad behavior? I think not.

              • pm317

                You are giving Obama way over too much credit. I think it is all in your imagination — what you think he is (or will do in the future) and what he has accomplished in the Illinois senate and here in US senate do not match. Freedom to break the stranglehold of corporations? are you serious? small donors? really? Do your homework.

              • John

                So…yikes….you are supporting Obama because:

                1. You like that he’s brought young people into his campaign.

                2. You like his wife.

                3. You like the way he campaigns.

                4. You like that he gets a lot of small campaign contributions.

                This is how you pick a President? REALLY?

              • fooj

                He doesn’t repeat the same old lines? Well, I guess you have a point there. He just repeats everyone else’s.

                If you were “sold” on Obama by his wife and you are looking for “what I have hoped a Democrat would do”…does that include stating that you weren’t certain you would VOTE for the opposing dem candidate in the GE? That’s EXACTLY what she did. It’s out there. All you have to do is look. Perhaps you should read the New Yorker article written after an interview with Michelle. It’s quite revealing. FYI.

                Have you heard of “bundlers”? So much for the “small donor” theory. BTW- how does he get 40 million out of 440k “small” donations. You do the math.

                As far as the “stranglehold” corporations have on our government (we’re in agreement on this issue) how does voting AGAINST a cap on 30% interest rates make Obama anti-corp? That man is as corporate as they come. Do the research. Like I said earlier…it’s all out there.

            • mimi

              Notice that this is where yikes will probably get off the comments thread.

              Obama supporters have no basis for supporting him or rather their only basis for supporting him is pure unadulterated Hillary-hatred.

              And they wonder why I won’t support him in the GE.

              There’s NOTHING THERE!

              • yikes

                Well you’re right about one thing. It’s high time I get off of this freaking computer and do something productive with my Sunday.

                I wish all Hillary fans a pleasant afternoon.

                Your Obamabot punching bag,
                Yikes

                :-)

              • Patrick Henry

                Yes..There is nothing there..an unproven empty suit..Riding the Wave of media hyped popularity..and Window Dressing..Packaged and Sold as the Latest Popsicle..

                he was just asked How he would really respond to a 3AM Emergency call..

                He said he doesn’t do hypotheticals..So all we KNOW IS HE PLANS ON GIVING AWAY Billions of dollars..and every thing else Hillary..John Edwards,, Richardson, Hollywood or anyone else wants to do..

                And..the media, ?? Well, they have made fun of the Fact that Hillary was a little wrong about a Helath care Crisis involving a woman and her baby who died,

                I have NOT heard ONE negative thing about OBAMA today…or about McCain..

                Since McCain is old and needs alot of rest..He is just gonna put his phone on an Automated Recording after he go’s to bed..and watchs Dr. Strangelove…

                The Automatic McCain Message will Be..
                .”If this is a National security emergency
                “JUST BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN”

                Brief me after Breakfast…

                Why is a guy From Arizon so Pale..??

              • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

                Dang Mimi, you forgot to add that wonderful trailer:

                WIN WITHOUT ME!

                Min if I use that for a blog title one of these days?

          • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

            I don’t love Hillary. I admire her. I’ve been front and center in politics long enough, and have lived long enough to know the difference. I don’t admire Barack Obama. He is a vain and shallow empty suit who has copied another successful campaign, uses his race to avoid badly needed scrutiny, hangs out with known domestic and foreign terrorists, including the PLO (one of whom has raised a good deal of money for him). His twenty year “spirtual advisor” is morally bankrupt in his hatred and depiction of our country and everyone it who is not as hateful as he is. If he were in another country, God knows he would be in prison. And I have to listen to Barack Obama tell me it’s my fault. Barack Obama refuses to take responsiblity for who he is, because he needs to keep up the image he has created for himself, along with Axelrod. He is nothing but a Chicago thug. His list of lies are already legendary but that the MSM doesn’t cover them. From his life growing up, to his stance on the war. Considering his affliations, Barack Obama simply wants to point those guns in the other direction, not stop the war. He is a fraud and a sexist pig for good measure. The last time I saw rallies like his were on films of a Youth Movement. He may have entranced you but he hasn’t entranced me. Furthermore, he can’t even put two words together if they aren’t mem’rized. He has no knowledge of any details, finds them boring. His obvious lack of curiosity for details that are important to a President is frightening.

            I have lived long enough not to be his fool and I will never vote for him even if Dracula were his opponent.

            To confirm mimi

            WIN WITHOUT ME.

            • John

              Awesome, I am with you. Except, I started this season as an Edwards supporter willing to accept and support any of the top three candidates for President. Three months ago, I switched to Hillary as the clearly superior choice of the last two candidates standing, but was willing to support Obama, with growing misgivings.

              Today I have come to adore Hillary and despise Obama- right now, if he’s the nominee, I simply will not vote for President. By November, I may feel compelled to vote for McCain outright.

              • Linda

                Those are exactly my sentiments. I, too, had been willing to support gladly either John Edwards or Hillary and, willingly, would have supported Obama. Sen. Obama has changed my mind about him. Now I would NOT vote for him for any office whatsoever.

                Huh, and I thought I was just old and cranky. Thanks for making me feel normal, again. ;-)

              • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

                I would have NO problem with John Edwards as my President.

          • fooj

            Actually, the TRUTH is…I’m in LOVE with our US Constitution and the RULE OF LAW. No candidate is above either one.

            Guess you missed the part of my post that CLEARLY stated that I was an Edwards supporter.

            “if she “stole” the nomination with super D’s.”
            Interesting perspective. What in the hell do you call disenfranchising over 2 million voters? Don’t give me any of this “rules” bullshit, either. TWO other states IGNORED the rules and moved up the dates of their primaries (Nevada and SC) with absolutely NO consequences. Explain that rationale. You can’t.

            Look, we are a democracy. Everyone’s vote counts. Obama said that he would comply with the DNC but when Dean gave the go-ahead in Michigan- Obama pussed out. He didn’t keep his word (that surprises WHO?) and he purposefully crapped on the will of the people. This is the guy you want representing the Democratic Party? 1.7 million Dems showed up to vote in Florida. Haven’t you ever wondered what Obama would say if HE was the one who received close to a half million votes? Nevermind. We ALL know the answer to that question, don’t we?

            • Linda

              Thank you for saying so clearly what I have tried to say on several different occasions. I don’t believe a Democrat can be elected without winning Florida and disallowing them a voice based on unevenly applied “rules” will not make Democrats a favorite in that great state.

            • TeakWoodKite

              fooj, Thanks for saying that.

      • TeakWoodKite

        Sorry you are apologizing, but this would be better suited coming from Obama.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      Female self-loathing is a terrible thing. It turns us against one another. That is who she is. Besides, knowing the way the Obamas operated, she’s probably a college boy and not a latino one at that.

  • LandOLincoln

    Here’s my response to the DCCC’s latest whine for money:

    I’ve been a Democrat my entire life, but the actions of such so-called “Democrats” as Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Pat Leahy, Howard Dean, Donna Brazile and Barack Obama have made me ashamed of my party, ashamed of the ugly, race-baiting Obama campaign, ashamed of Dean’s and Obama’s willingnesss to disenfranchise voters in order to win elections, ashamed of Donna Brazile’s childish threats and tantrums, ashamed of the attempts to shut down the primary and bully Senator Clinton out of the race before Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina et al. have had a chance to be heard.
    IMO you lot are a disgrace to this once-great party, and you will get no money from me. I donate solely to Wes Clark, because I know he’ll make good use of it.
    Thank you.

    • norrismorris

      LandOLincoln,

      You’ve said it all for us. I am returning requests for $$ with emails telling them like it is.

      Where did the Dmocrats leave the station?

  • jojo

    I already did all the things suggested. Now let’s get Donna Brazile and Howard Dean both off the air.

  • Pandora

    I WILL NOT ACCEPT…

    Michigan and Florida is big deal for me as it is for many others. If Hillary loses nomination because Michigan and Florida is not counted then I don’t know I will be able to forgive the party definitely not this election cycle and don’t know how long in future.

    I am willing to accept cacuses even though I know they are not true representation of democracy. But because they are part of the current system.

    I am willing to accept bias in media and in blogsphere even though it is entirely against Hillary but it is their right to free speech.

    I am willing to accept bias in democratic elders such as Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, Pelosi etc. even though I think they should have stayed neutral.

    One thing I will not accept is not counting Florida and Michigan votes. Democratic party rightfully complained endlessly after 2000 for not counting all votes in Florida and this same party in 2008 doesn’t want to count votes of their own party members. This is beyond acceptable and party needs to find way either revote or count the existing votes. I will say this again if the party high jacks nomination in favor of Obama without fair count of votes from Florida and Michigan then I will not forgive democratic party. The same party that I worked for, donated money to, made phone calls for, put up yard signs for in last 3 election cycles.

  • dwmorris

    Don’t forget to include pro-Obama super delegates along with the DNC!!! They can’t be allowed to skate through this debacle under the radar without paying a cost.

  • whitecat

    Good commentary all. When I rec’d the survey from the DNC I initially went psycho and scribbled things all over it. Then I made myself become the mature Hillary supporter that I am. So, I wrote the answers to the survey out in long-hand. I changed questions. The advice I gave was for them to get ready for McCain to choose Condi Rice as his running mate and that he would pave the way for the first AA and woman to become president. Then I said I would vote for them if Hillary wasn’t the nominee for president. I asked what they were going to do about my defection, a 50 something, educated woman with a master’s degree. I sent them one dollar and it was a 2004 campaign dollar with John Kerry’s portrait in the middle of it. I liked that part.
    My friends, You are my village, my heart, and my family.

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Good commentary all. When I rec’d the survey from the DNC I initially went psycho and scribbled things all over it.
    Hahaha, now there’s a visual!

  • pm317

    As a lifelong democrat with very liberal principles (willing to pay more taxes if they wanted me to without a whimper!), this election comes down to one and only one thing for me: FL and MI. Will they or won’t they COUNT those votes? This has nothing to do with either candidate and where they stand in the number of vote count or who stands to benefit with what decision? Fairness and justice has no side to it.

  • jes

    I had a rather radical idea. If the DNC refuses to count and/or recognize the voters from MI and FL, this will in all probability throw the nomination to Obama as it would be extraorinarily difficult for Hillary to win without those states and they know it.

    In that event, since the DNC is essentially fixing the primary in Obama’s favor, I think that Hillary would be smart to re-register as an Independent and run as the Independent party nominee for President of the US. I believe that she would have a good chance of winning the Presidency in the General Election as the Democratic voter base that is disenchanted with Obama would in all probability vote for her.

    Any comments and/or thoughts?

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      I would vote for her as an independent. I will do whatever it takes to stop Obama, including voting for the Old Man.

      The reason Obama blocked revotes in those two states is because he knows he would get his butt kicked half way across the country now. Florida and Michigan have payed very close attention to who is blocking their way to a revote. Obama would never carry them in November. They are swing states to begin with, but with his arrogance towards them, the money will be on the Republicans.

      • TeakWoodKite

        I would vote for her as an independent. I will do whatever it takes to stop Obama, including voting for the Old Man.

        That about sums it up nicely.

  • http://360.yahoo.com/ommotherlifeforce fred heidrick

    i mistakenly gave all gore $110 one time and the DNC wanted $210,$310,$410. ON AND ON AND ON.. never enought

  • John

    Tonight, NBC is presenting a two-hour special entitled “King,” looking back at the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr.’s career.

    The commercial I just heard on Air America radio featured a certain Presidential candidate giving a speech in which he mentions King. One guess as to which candidate it was. Hint: It wasn’t the one who has been fighting for civil rights for more than thirty years.

    Of course, whenever the networks deal with MLKjr, its All About Race and Nothing Else. King’s REAL message- that discrimination comes in MANY forms and must be fought against at all times- is totally lost on these idiots. Probably because they WANT to keep discriminating against women, while at the same time pretending to “honor” the memory of Dr. King. Disgusting.

  • angca

    I don’t want Hillary to run as an Independent.

    The media and progressives would slam her and it would hurt her politically in the future – say it’s Obama and McCain’s wins – Hillary can run again in 2012 – if Obama blows it – it will ruin any chance for him to run again. He will be done.

    If Obama wins – then Hillary can return to senate – there’s real power in the senate and I’m guessing she will cut herself a nice deal for power (as she should).

    That said – let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

  • angca

    I’m angry too.

    I’m trying like hell to stay focus on the big picture. It isn’t easy.

    I don’t think I have disliked a democratic candidate as much as Obama. Not even Joe. It’s sad really – at least with Joe I could point to Iraq and his Bush ass kissing.

    Obama is an opportunist who only rose to his status on the back of the anti-Hillary backlash. He was the chosen one – not Dodd, not Biden, not Edwards – no they picked the empty suit, with no experience, no ideas of his own. If Obama is elected – we are going to have more federal commissions and studies in 4 years then in the past 18 years. The wheels of government will move slowly but heck we will have studies.

    Let’s not forgot all the favors he will own. People talk about Hillary being brought – how naive – do they really think that all those endorsements don’t come with a promise and a place at the table?

    See now I’m pissed again and I haven’t even gotten to the real issues.

  • http://commonsensequotient.blogspot.com Laura

    I’ve stopped going to most of the other blog sites (HuffPost, Kos being the worst, except when I’m researching stories for my OWN blog).

    But I still go to Salon, mostly out of respect for Joan Walsh – who is being treated to her own hell for ANY pro-Hillary comments she makes in her op-eds. And I still post in the letters threads here. I don’t think the reader comments about HRC are any better at Salon, but most of their readers are loyal, if nothing else – so we aren’t treated to the “drive-by” HRC slams and slurs the way many other blogs are.

    I have pulled up (cut-n-pasted) NUMEROUS nasty posts from Salon letters threads that I have then sent on to O’s campaign, with a letter, asking if it is SOP for their supporters/followers/surrogates to engage in such gutter-sniping. Obviously, no reply.

    I really like this suggestion, a.lot! I have been trying to figure out how to engage in something similar – with email and snail mail contacts for the DCCC, DSCC, DNC, Dean, Pelosi, Reid, and other national Party leaders – so that we can have a powerful effect on their fundraising efforts.

    I intend to link to this post and include email/snail mail contact info in my next…and future posts.

  • Ann

    Hillary gets my money, not the DNC — not as long as they keep gaming the system in favor of an unqualified candidate and keeping FL and MI out of being counted per the popular vote.

    Hillary gets my vote, too, and everything else I can give her to secure this nomination.

    If the DNC and Senator Obama keep on this disastrous course, the party will be finished and I will let them go down with the ship.

    Gov. Dean, Spkr. Pelosi and anyone else who simply assumes we will kiss and make up and back this man is really sipping the koolaid. I cannot tell you how many people I know who feel the same way. Senator Obama is the one who has run a divisive campaign and treated Senator Clinton with the most flagrant disrespect — with a more than complicit Republican-owned male-dominated misogynistic media. There is no excuse for this and it will not be forgotten.

  • Fran

    There is also: writeinhillary.com. Check it out.

  • http://camoderate ca moderate

    Here is my contribution to the cause, which I send via email, posted to tell Gov Dean what you think, and mailed to them. It probably will not make a difference but at least it made me feel better.

    Dear Friend,

    I understand that the DNC is behind in fundraising this year, which is unfortunate. I believe I may know why. When you disenfranchise voters and allow a portion of the party to take control and denigrate other party members the endpoint is dissatisfaction, dissention, and the closing of pocket books.

    How can the DNC rectify this, it is simple: seat and give voting privileges to the delegates from Florida and Michigan before the convention and bring back respect and fairness to political discussion and media coverage. The Florida and Michigan voters and their delegates represent the best in the American tradition, non-apathetic participants that believe in our country and the importance of continually exercising our right to “one person – one vote”. These are true democrats, going to vote not when it is exciting or rewarding but as a point of principle and to support the party. Their votes should be rewarded and included in this election cycle.

    I have been a democrat all my life and cherish what the party represents; however, what has occurred during this election has made me doubt the party and its leadership. I think that it may be time for you and others (e.g., Donna Brazille) that have led us into this mess to step down and until then I like many others will keep my pocketbook closed to the DNC. Do not worry I will continue to donate in ever increasing amounts to worthy candidates.

    I would like to thank you for making me realize that I do not need to blindly follow party decisions and vote democratic in every election. I have seen the light that although the DNC has the ideals that I cherish, many representatives of the party do not serve these ideals. Therefore, I no longer will vote for them.

    In the last two elections, many Americans voted for an inexperienced candidate that the press had labeled as approachable, likeable, and “someone you could have a beer with”. They voted based on a feeling and the belief that George W. Bush was what he said he was – a moderate who believed in “compassionate conservatism”. After eight years of this anything but moderate administration, we all know how well this has worked out for the American people and our country. I now will only vote for candidates where there is a long record of experience regardless of party.

    Please do not send any more requests for party contributions until you have addressed some of my concerns.

    A Disillusioned Democrat,

  • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

    Way to go!

  • ScottVA

    CAMODERATES letter was well written… I sent a similar one, via email, to the DNC/Dean a week ago…

    I am supporting my individual candidate (Hillary Clinton and people on the local level) but I WILL NOT send any more money or do any more fundraising for the DNC. The DNC doesn’t seem to represent me (as a moderate Democrat) anymore. The left wing liberals have given us a mandate that we have no other choice but to accept what they tell us. This sort of approach never worked for me. I will not accept Mr. Obama in the fall and coalesce around him like I hear so many say would happen… indeed without any misgiving, I would vote for Mr. McCain if Mr. Obama is my hand picked Democratic choice! I truely think that Dean and the DNC heads think this could never happen… I think he needs to remember 1980. The DNC said it back then too!

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  • hillarysmygirl

    Hey Uppity,

    The DNC must have gotten my name and e-mail address from some Hillary Clinton list and had the BALLS to write to me asking if I’d write letters to my local newspaper editors to tell them what an idiot John McCain is. I clicked “unsubscribe” and this is what I wrote in the comments section:

    I am not stupid and I know that the DNC is allowing the Obama campaign to fix the primaries by not doing more to include Michigan and Florida in the final popular vote count and delegate count! I know you got my name from a Hillary Clinton list and you have the “audacity of hope” that I will help you in any way. You are not helping me or Hillary Clinton, why should I help you by writing letters about John McCain? I have donated a lot of money to the Clinton campaign, and will match that money to the DNC ONLY IF you stop trying to fix the Democratic nomination!

    If they had asked me for money, I would have donated more to Hillary, even though I sent her money yesterday because someone forwarded me a mean Clinton e-mail. I got mad, so I took action!

  • Andy

    Here is a couple of comments you can send to the DNC when they ask for money:

    Let me explain I was looking at an article about how much is Elton John’s
    show bring in for HRC. Amazingly seems it’s 2.5M 1 M more than predicted.
    So (yes my fault) I’m reading TPM article

    Hillary’s Big Fundraiser Tonight Starring Elton John Will Bring In $2.5 Million
    By Greg Sargent – April 9, 2008, 11:31AM

    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/hillarys_big_fundraiser_with_e.php

    And here you have a sample of comments :

    Comments:
    ———–
    Brilliant Satire Greg!

    OMG!! Hillary’s raising almost $2.5 million!!! Call the firetrucks she is hot, hot, hot!!!!

    Obama can raise that much by clearing his throat in public.

    Seriously, I don’t buy the notion that you guys are biased or in the bag for one camp or another, but don’t posts like this make you feel just a little bit ridiculous?
    Posted by Plowboys
    April 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Reply | Permalink

    —————-
    Obama farts $2.5 mil.

    Now that I think of it, I think I’ll send him another $50 during Elton’s show.
    Posted by LeroyS
    April 9, 2008 11:40 AM | Reply | Permalink

    So next time DNC asks for money tell them that Obama can get them the $$ just clearing his throat or if they prefer he can “fart” the millons for them

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