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Nour Hadid is not a Victim. She’s a Murderer.

By LisaB on April 11, 2009 at 9:00 PM in Current Affairs

Today I saw a story that aggravates me no end. Another child murdered. No, this is not the one found in a suitcase or another child perishing in unimaginable sadness. I can’t read those stories anymore and all I can do when I inadvertently find one is hug my kids even more often than I already do. (They complain.)

But this story didn’t begin with a child’s murder, and sadly, won’t end with that either. It’s all about head scarves and sensitivity to religion and the ADULTS involved.

The southtownstar reported today another “insult to [Islam]” has been committed by police who are insensitive to the requirements of that religion.

The police booking photo of alleged child killer Nour Hadid released Tuesday is an “insult against our religion,” says Hadid’s husband, Alaeddin.
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Nour Hadid is accused of beating her 2-year-old niece Bhia Hadid to death over four days at her home on the 9000 block of West 140th Street. The child had 55 separate bruises and was beaten “from head to toe,” according to prosecutors, who say Hadid confessed.

The suspect and an unidentified woman wearing the hijab

But Alaeddin Hadid – who insists his wife is innocent – said Orland Park police are “really going to be in big trouble” for releasing the woman’s booking photo to the news media after she was charged with first-degree murder.

So what’s he mad about? That they took her picture without the scarf or that they released the picture?

What about the child?

Bhia Hadid’s funeral took place Thursday.

Ah. Well. I guess that’s that. Back to the important stuff.

Orland Park police Cmdr. Chuck Doll said the mug shot was taken “for identification purposes” before Hadid made her confession. Her headscarf was handed back to her after the photo was taken, Doll said.

“A matron was with her at all times while she was in our custody,” Doll said. A matron is a law enforcement official who works with women held in custody. “She was wearing a tank top, and she had the headscarf when she was interviewed.”

While some Muslim advocates were quick to say they did not condone what this woman appears to have done, they were still happy to weigh in on the headscarf question.

But Dr. Mohammed Sahloul, chairman of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Chicago, said that while police should follow the usual procedures with all defendants, “they should respect the modesty of the accused.
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Former chairman 9of the Council of Islamic Roganizations of Chicago) Kareem Irfan said, “It’s particularly humiliating because she appears to be in her underwear.

“I don’t condone what she’s alleged to have done.

“But if it was a nun accused of these crimes, would they treat her the same way?”

Of course, that little girl won’t get to make the choice to wear the headscarf or not. Time to go hug my kids again and hear them complain. . .

UM

Enough with giving these stupid bozos airtime. I think we should simply laugh at them and go on.

Sam

This story is about a child that was killed. It is not about Islam or the practice of Islam. The fact that the killer is Muslim has nothing to do with the case. The media can villify Islam by focusing on a scarf issue, but lets remember, a child was killed and the child’s rights must be preserved. Please remember that and keep the child’s family in your prayers as her biological mom and siblings are in great suffering with the loss of this child. There is no Muslim, American or otherwise that would condone this act. Please remember that, remember the child’s family, and please don’t use this horrible event to blame a religon that would not condone this in any way. Kind Regards. Sam.
mimi

i think you so stupid and full of it look at yourself at least we know who we are , do you know who you are ? she did wrong ,and should be punished , but how many american women killed their own children? if you are smart keep your mouthshut.

Lyn

So who forced her to wear the tank top? I never saw a Nun wearing her head thing (good catholic girl I am can’t remeber the name)and a tank top..

Of course no outrage she beat a toddler to DEATH and confessed, but don’t humiliate her..got it.

mary

This violent woman’s hubby is so outraged at the Media for letting out the full head shot of his wife out without the hijab?!!!!

Gimme a break!

What drove this woman to do what she did is similar probably to a case in Denmark a few years ago. The woman’s husbad was sexually abusing their daughter–yes, Incest does occur and alarmingly so in Islamist families–and he was beating her to a pulp nightly.
So the woman’s inner rage was unleashed on her young 4 year old daughter….
These women are OPPRESSED by husbands and a religion that treats them like non-humans….

And Ob ama went to Keny in ’07 and gave millions of dollars to support his murderous cousin Odinga’s run for the presidency there. Of course, Odinga supported SHARIA LAW–and so did the American taxpayers whose dollars Obama doled out to the Kenyan thugs. Who, during the primary, reported on this?: Only the CBC and BBC criticized the “young inexperienced arrogant senator from Illinois for going to a sovereign country and meddling with its politics”. Aftermath: 500,000 homeless, uprooted and hundreds of Kenyan women raped and Christian Churches burned by Obama’s dear couz Odinga in December ’07!
Bravo, Obama. Your Sharia law support for your Kenyan brothers (before hos) is commendable….No wonder Obama is hte joke of the Europeans…

Mary Miller

I agree with you. Obamas treatment of HRC-flipping her off..allowing the songs by ‘Decrepid’ or what ever his name is..and the ‘black caucus’ are all sick.
This is his ultimate end and we are in trouble. Can you imagine his grandmother dying and he visits her only to tell her not to talk to the press? How about he Kennedy and Deval conspiring with his ‘auntie’ to defraud welfare for 9 years? He is about to give amnesty to all illegal aliens in this country..what about these crazies who call themselves religious in the name of Allah they blow us up with out a second thought..
The drugged Haitians, the Russians who in California run slave sex rings with children and defraud welfare by living in Beverly Hills? Yes..we are paying dearly..
Yomn

Look guys,
The fact that an American has committed homicide does not necessarily mean that all Americans are murderers or that being an American entails murdering sb.
Similarly, the fact that a Muslim woman did such a thing does not mean that Islam entails this. There is only one case where Islam allowed beating for a child: when he reaches 10 years and refuses to pray BUT PLEASE NOTICE that this meant SPANKING not any violent form of beating, and spanking neither kills nor causes any harm. I’ve watched an American soap opera (Desperate Housewives) were a woman spanked a child, he was ok, and he WAS tamed.
And about being oppressed…we’re not.
I’m a Muslim and I live in Egypt and I wear Hijab.
In fact, we find our freedom in hijab. We no longer seek impressing guys and men like most unveiled women do. We only seek God’s satisfaction.
I do wear hijab, yet I go to college, to work, to malls and clubs, but modestly.
And you say Shariaa is bad because of what you say the Kenyan president did?
According to Sharia, no Churches should ever be burnt or destroyed by any means. According to Prophet Muhammad’s tradition, poor Jews and Christians should have their share of the Muslim Zakat (money that rich Muslims pay to help the poor).
Women during the REAL Islamic eras were honoured and respected.
A whole war broke out once because a Muslim woman was standing in public and a Jew made a trick to pull off all of her clothes.
(If this sounds bloody to you, think of what you would do to the person who does this to your wife/mother/sister/daughter).
And women, according to Islam, do have a powerful position in the society. It is said that Umar Ibn El Khattab (the 2nd ruler of Muslims after Prophet Muhammad’s death) appointed a female minister of finance.

Kindly, don’t blame Islam for what Muslims unjustly do.

Thank you.

bart

Sorry. I just don’t think this is funny. Four days is a long time for a 2 year old.

kgirl

Not just four days but the four of the last days of this two year olds life. This child died being beaten by an adult she trusted. Look I can be sensative to the truly mentally ill Andrea Yeats of the world, but when an adult wails away on an infant for not good damn reason, i’m not worried about her comfort. If she didn’t do it, i apologize but when you go to jail this is what happens to you they do this act of humiliation to everyone who goes to jail and she’s not special, this is what happens when you start making seperate rules from person to person. I could see if they made her eat pork, or didn’t allow her to pray, or would let her see a lawyer (and i would gladly let her have a female lawyer because of her beliefs, but if we are all equal under the law, we must all be treated equally.

Docelder

If we lived in a Muslim country we would damn well be expected to follow THEIR societies customs. But they live in ours and we need to have the same resolve for our country and our customs and our ways of doing things that they do in theirs. I am sick to death of apologizing for being American. Sick to death.

xax

Exactly how I feel. You can practice your religion in piece, but once you commit a crime your are a criminal and should be treated as such. No exceptions.
xax

Exactly how I feel. You can practice your religion in peace, but once you commit a crime your are a criminal and should be treated as such. No exceptions.
Baba Rum Raisin

This must be extremely frustrating for Western male transvestites living in the Muslim world…

Peggy Sue

So, was this poor victimized woman wearing a headscarf when she beat this child to death? Was the child properly attired when she died at the hands of her Auntie?

This is PC gone mad.

There are certain lines that cannot be crossed or tolerated. Accepting barbaric violence against the vulnerable [children, the elderly, the sick or disabled] is one of them. I don’t care how many multicultural toes are stepped on.

This is another example where moderate Muslims need to stand up and say: NO! They do themselves a great disservice by remaining silent or making excuses for atrocious acts.

And yes, a nun would be photographed and booked as a criminal if arrested for this crime, deservedly so.

Sickening!
candymarl

Beyond the pale. Sympathy for a head scarf. Little to none for a dead child. I’m done. Enough is enough.

kenoshamarge

But it was only a girl child candymarl and thus not of much importance in their culture.

nare

Ur comment discusts me I am an arab muslim and proud of it. I wouldn’t harm the hair on my daughters head. So please know your facts before writing something stupid. And for baby hadid I have her in my prays and my god give nour hadid what she deserves. No sympathy to her.

http://noquarterusa No-nonsense-Nancy

They need to be made to abide by our laws if they are going to live in our country. Period. We need to be able to see what a criminal looks like if they are committng crimes in our country.

Docelder

Yes exactly, and tell me that in Muslim countries citizens carry passports with photos of the women wearing a headscarf covering their entire face. Tell me that before feigning outrage over a criminal mugshot or any official government i.d. for that matter.

JozefAL

Do you have any examples of Muslim countries where the citizens carry passports?
If you don’t, then stop with the straw man arguments. If you do, then check the requirement before going off half-cocked.

Lyn

Do YOU have any proof that most (not a couple)countries allow women to wear head scarfs in passport photos, or as usually JUST being your nasty know it all, always acting superior self? i mean really WHAT is the point of using photos for ID purposes IF all you can see are a person’s eyes, Especially IF MOST people of that countries eyes are 1 color, why bother? When I googled headscarfs +muslim+passport MOST liknks came up with articles such as http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/008279.php Rules

Croatian authorities maintain that banning head covers in passport photographs is aimed at ensuring people can be swiftly and accurately identified.

Law states photographs included in identity documents should be a “true and faithful” likeness of the person.

“This has nothing to do with religious freedom,” said Justice Minister Vesna Skare-Ozbolt.

Yomn

But you do not need to see somebody’s hair and body to identify them, do you?
I guess the face should be more than enough.

sowsear

We don’t live in a Muslim country yet but when I hear about Sharia Courts in Great Britian and Australia, can we be far behind, especially with The Great Apologist POTUS.

olivia1998

But…..Obama is sympathetic to Islam and Sharia law get used to it. But…..he’s not Muslim
Hot Librarian

THere are NO Sharia courts in Australia. Muslims are only about 1% of the pop.

Also that head dress is NOT a hijab.
erin

I live in Australia and the last I knew we did not allow Sharia Law or Sharia Courts to exist here. In fact, back in 2006 Peter Costello, our then Treasurer, said: ‘not only will Australia never observe Sharia or Islamic law, but those who wish to live under it should have no place in Australia’. My sentiments exactly.

listing starboard

Australia is awesome!!

candymarl

If this joker knows who really did this to the child why is he not at the police station turning said person in? News flash idiot. She’s not a minor OR A VICTIM. Therefore there are no laws requiring her identity be kept secret. Aaarrgggh!
I’m a Linda too

Give them a big hug.

Amazing. Misplaced outrage to say the least. God speed, Bhia.

…just trying to cloud the issue-I guess.

Shame on them.
viking

This is sickening but unsurprising. Complaints about the head scarf are simply grotesque juxtaposed with the cavalier acknowledgment of the child’s death. Tell me again why I’m supposed to have respect for this primitive and barbaric ideology, actually nevermind.
http://me414.wordpress.com/ Mary Ellen

I agree with one of the comments above. When our female soldiers are in Saudi Arabia, they cannot wear their military uniforms in public,but must be covered with the scarf. They expect us to respect their culture, and yet have no respect for ours.

After beating a child to death, she doesn’t deserve respect, she deserves the death penalty…the sooner the better.

Hot Librarian

She has not been convicted yet. Mary Ellen -surely you can wait for the trial & verdict before you put her to death.

Lyn

She said she was guilty but will appear before a judge, which now that you mention it is alot more benefit of the doubt than the toddler got before she was put to death.
http://me414.wordpress.com/ Mary Ellen

She had already confessed her crime–the only reason she is pleading not guilty is because she now has a lawyer who will try to turn this into a trial about her religion and culture. Now the taxpayers will get bilked for even more money as the trial drags on and on. If she hadn’t confessed that would be one thing, but we know she’s guilty because she said so herself. Where’s your sympathy for the child, Hot Librarian? Oh yeah….she’s dead.
Carol HAKA

Trial and Verdict is our culture.

I say we respect her culture – she said she was guilty so it’s time to bury her waist deep and stone her to death. The scarf is optional.

What say you?

CAROL HAKA

Carol HAKA

Where was her husband for 4 days?

CAROL HAKA

leslie

looking for her head scarf?

C.S.

None of these scarf wearing Muslim women came to the U. S. for religious freedom; nor did they come to embrace our culture so why are they here and why do they expect to continue their old way of life while pledging allegiance to their new one? If an American beats a child to death they are not protected from the law by their religion and they are not allowed to hide their faces. My Constitution guarantees me the right to be free of all others religions – Period. Muslims will just have to get used to being treated the same as everybody else, even if Soertoro/Obama does genuflect to a Muslim king.

Docelder

My Constitution guarantees me the right to be free of all others religions

Exactly right, and I would expect even the ACLU to concur with that. No crosses, No Easter displays… fine. No special concessions for being Muslim, Athiest, Branch Davidian or whatever. Just treat everybody the exact same. Give everybody the exact same rights. Give nothing to the richest of us you don’t also give to the poorest of us and vice-versa. What tees me off is when we can’t get that simple of a concept.

Mar

I agree and I believe that the beauty of the Constitution is that it also protects the rights of the minorities as well.

I do not respect Islam because of its treatment of women and female children. Nor did the Islamic countries in the world experience the Renaissance and Reformation the way the Western societies did so that religion became an individual practice and not one sanctioned by the government.

I am so sorry that this child died. She should not have been left with this couple. Child should be loved and cherished and valued as the amazing little ones that they are.

Disgusted

This happened not too far from my house. The child also had numerous bite marks on her body.

From the Southtown Star

“Nour had only one request Friday and that was that she be brought an Arabic-language Quran, which the Cook County sheriff’s officers have given her,” Brodsky said. “Both she and her husband are modest and devout Muslims.”

Hadid, 26, is accused of killing her 2-year-old niece, Bhia, by beating and biting her to death over a four-day period ending Sunday.

Diana

If it were a male child she wouldn’t have made it to being arrested. She would have been killed in her own home. That’s the sad reality.

NomNomNom

If I were her lawyer, I would say that she confessed because she believed if she confessed she would be allowed to put on her out of door clothes and hijab.
I do not see how a hijab is possible for a mug shot but there was no reason to insist on the tank top except to humiliate her. This little bit of nastiness could well come back to bite during a trial: it was stupid.
I’ll wait for the court to decide if she was the one who killed her little niece. If she is found guilty– and she may well be– I hope she is punished appropriately.

Docelder

little bit of nastiness

Horse hockey. Ever watch “COPS”? When they serve the arrest warrant you go in to jail and fro the mugshot exactly as you are.

NomNomNom

Wait and see if the lawyer doesn’t use the excuse I gave for her.
People confess all the time to crimes they have and haven’t done because they believe they will get to go home, or go to sleep, or just stop having to answer questions.
COPS may be of real cases but they are cases presented for tv viewing. Cops certainly have the discretion to allow people to dress. She was arrested in her home, perhaps woken from sleep. It’s common practice to arrest at night so that people are at home and less prepared to fight or flee.
I have no idea whether this woman is guilty of the crime of which she is accused or not: but since she may be, I don’t see any reason to give people doubts as to her state of mind during the confession or cause people to feel sympathy for her. And both of those the cops have done by photographing her in her underwear. It was stupid.
I was looking for an article that would tell when she was arrested and I found this: you might find it interesting.
http://www.southtownstar.com/news/1515930,040809murdered-tot-folo.article

Docelder

I am sure the whole confession was video and tape recorded as was probably her time in a holding cell. Seriously, whatever middle ages custom these guys want to follow in their home countries is their business. Whatever old testament style punishment they have for women and children in their home country it is out of our control. But in this country, under our laws that child had the protection of our constitution whether the parents like it or not. Likewise, that woman is subject to our legal system and everything that goes with it. She has no special rights to be treated any differently than anybody else on account of her religion.

NomNomNom

well I hate all religion and that one in particular; I’d really rather the US didn’t allow muslims to emigrate here at all; but if a man was present while she was in her underwear confessing it really does throw the whole thing into doubt no matter whether there was a matron present or her hijab was returned or not, because her religious beliefs certainly inform her state of mind. Whether or not she has a legal right to better treatment there isn’t a good reason for the gratuitous humiliation. I still think it was a mistake.

Lyn

WHY are you insisting a tank top is underwear?

NomNomNom

I’ve seen her top characterized as both a tank top and underwear in different articles. I characterize as underwear any garment that is not worn as outerwear: this woman is known to not wear similar clothing in public, therefore, underwear.

socalannie

For petes sake, she’s not photographed in her bra & undies. Women wear tank tops like that all over the world. Becuz she chooses to wear it under her muslim coverings does make it indecent by American standards or imply that it is “underwear”.

socalannie

oops…I meant to say, “doesn’t make it indecent”, not “does”.

imustprotest

OMG!! I don’t care if she was stark naked!! That baby is dead with bruises all over her body! Somebody brutally abused her and killed her! So if miss tank top is a likely subject, confession or not…..BOOK HER!
Ellen D

Torture and murder of a child trumps modesty.
imustprotest

Absolutely does!
I’mFedUp

Typical liberal nonsense. Immediately RUN to protect criminals, ignoring the fact that living, breathing women and children are the victims of these heinous crimes. That is so WTF it’s ridiculous.

Lyn

It was HER tank top, IF she is SO modest and devout why does she even own a tank top? I’m sure people would like to fix their make up and brush their hair before their mug shots, especially famous people whose mug shots are blasted all over TV for people to laugh at. Why should SHE be treated differently? What should they have done, given her a prisoner shirt to cover her tank top? THEN her husband would be whining they discriminated against her and made her look guilty by forcing her to wear prison clothes.

I have an idea, WHY don’t we have beauty salon’s and clothing stores set up at all police stations, so noone has to have a “humiliating” mug shot.

I HOPE the lawyer takes your suggestion and whines about her mug shot during the trial and I HOPE the jurors are as angry as I am that all her husband cares about is this photo and not his little defensells neice who was beat and bit. Hey better idea, Why don’t they punish her (or whoevver killed the child) by letting a wild animal maul and bite her to death? She can dress how ever she choses during the punishment.

NomNomNom

You seem a bit irrational. She might own the tank top but wear it only to sleep in, or wear it only in front of her husband but not in front of strangers. Do you sleep fully dressed? Would you not allow a partner to see you less clothed than you would a stranger? One can see plainly in the mug shot that she is mortified at being undressed. I do not see the purpose in this, when it could so easily have been avoided. More, since her face is distorted with crying it makes the picture less useful for id.

The purpose of a mug shot is to id the defendant to potential witnesses viewing the photo, hence not allowing some persons to alter their appearance before the photo is taken. That is not relevant here: she was not arrested in the act of committing a crime, and presumably came to the authorities’ attention when they began looking for suspects in the home after the little girl was reported dead to the authorities. Since the murder apparently occurred within the home, presumably any witness already knows what she looks like.
(If my assumptions are wrong and a stranger reported seeing a woman in a white tank top beating a little girl to death in the back yard and five minutes later the police arrived and arrested her, I’d be happy to change my mind).
I am pro death penalty for some crimes, including some murders. But I have a real problem with assuming that because a newspaper reports that a person has been charged with a crime that makes a trial unnecessary.

“Hey better idea, Why don’t they punish her (or whoevver killed the child)…”
You yourself admit that it is not certain that she killed the child by this statement. Why then do you insist on her unnecessary humiliation?

http://bintalshamsa.blogspot.com/ bint alshamsa

NomNomNom, you have one of the few intelligent comments on this thread. Forcing this woman to take a picture in her underwear was completely unnecessary and pointless in this case.

Lyn

In a videotaped confession made after police found Bhia’s “cold, lifeless body” at the Hadid family home Sunday night, Nour Hadid confessed to beating the child “with her hands and a spoon” and to “biting and pinching” her repeatedly since Thursday, Lawler said.

Nour Hadid told police she was angry because her husband, Alaeddin Hadid, had accused her of stealing some money hidden under a mattress and that she also was angry he’d “called her names,” Lawler said.

“She took it out on the victim,” Lawler said, adding that Bhia had injuries on her face, buttocks, back, chest, hands, abdomen and feet.

OH Yeah she’s innocent ..right
….Alaeddin Hadid also protested his wife’s innocence.

“This is a misunderstanding,” he told reporters.
He claimed Bhia had fallen down a staircase at the family home.
“I always told my wife to close the door or one of the children would fall down and she’d end up in jail,” he said”

SO anyone else have a problem with your body being coverred with BITE MARKS when you fall? “55 separate bruises covering her tiny body”

AND what kind of Uncle lets his neice who he has custody of be BEAT and bit for days and doesn’t stop it and take the child to the hospital? HE should be arrested too

Docelder

Well, for another thing… they can take bite impressions from her and match it to the bite marks on the victim. I am not buying the modesty defense one bit. The truth is going to come out.

FrenchNail

I sincerely hope the As#$%e husband will be also booked in time as an accomplice.

Mulsims or not, those people are monsterous if indeed guilty. If so they belong in jail for life without parole or better on death row if the State has one.

And I have enough, ENOUGH of being told I should accept middle-age behaviour just because it is conveyed under the cover of religion.

It is enough such a large portion of our planet still accept those barbaric ways in their mist, but not in America, No way, No how. Hear that Harold Koh?

FrenchNail

I just read the article linked by NomNomNom, where it is casually referenced that the husband has several wifes.

Since when is polygamy legal in America? How comes that this man is not in jail for it already?

I am disgusted by the whole thing. Law enforcement dropped the ball on the previous child abuse case probably to be PC and now another child is dead of torture.

hmk_me

I guess it is ok for devout muslims to beat children to death. They also beat a 71 year old woman because a man brought her food. Has anyone noticed it is women and children they abuse? I have tried to have respect for all different religions but I have come to believe that islam is not a religion but a sickness.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE, MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALIST AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
TeakwoodKite

Religion or the State.

Book ‘em Danno.
I’mFedUp

Well, don’t expect the Muslim in Chief to do anything about it. This is pitiful. Damned right do it in your own country and call it “religion.” Get the F out of here if you’re going to pull that crap. I can’t wait to see what the typical day in America is like in a year. Honor killings on ever corner, beating, rapes, whatever and people hiding behind (Obama’s) religion. Really great for us.
hmk_me

If the man had several wives and she is the child’s aunt, is he the father?
I did not see anything about his relationship to the child.

WOMEN WITH INTELLIGENCE AND EXPERIENCE,MEN WHO SUPPORT THEM AND COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS

PUMAS,BUBBAS,EQUALISTS AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE

Lyn

the child is the murderred husband’s brother child. The brother and HIS wife got divorced and sweet modest devoutly religous Auntie and Uncle got custody of the kid. (I don’t know why neither parent took her they Could NOT be any worse parents than the abuser/murdered.

I COULD be wrong, but when I read “His first wife, Samer, was disfigured and three of the couple’s children burned in 2003 when she told police she “accidentally” poured gasoline on a fire at their home in Hickory Hills.” I thought they were divorced not that he had more than 1 wife.

Speaking of muslims divorce, I was glad to see the Michigan court decided Declaring “I divorce thee” three times is common among some Muslims in India, was not a legal way to end a marriage in the United States of America.

I guess that is the NEXT thing Muslims will be screaming about.

Ashy1

This guy sounds like he is having some really “bad luck” in the wife department. I hope he is being investigated along with the alleged murderer.

I, too, am sick of all the P.C. gymnastics having to do with Muslim “sensitivities”. Sharia law is not compatible with our laws here, and that should be made abundantly clear to those that wish to make the U.S. their home. I hope Americans will stand up to this sort of thing creeping in and any efforts allowed by our Muslim-in-Chief. Women have fought long and hard to gain the freedoms we have, and even though there are plenty of bimbos on our landscape who could serve as poster children for harsher controls on women (Octo-mom comes to mind), still I don’t want our society, with all of its shortcomings, to devolve into some sort of medieval mindset.

Lisa Smith

May Nour Hadid ROT IN HELL!!!!!!!

R.I.P. BAHIA HADID!
Cathy in Ks.

This story sickens and disgusts me. “Devout muslims?” I’m trying really hard to be tolerant about the Muslim religion. Maybe only the sick and cruel fanatics are the ones making the news. I have to agree with the other comments – when they live in our country, they abide by our laws. The woman tortured and murdered a helpless, innocent child over several days. Were there no other adults around while this was happening? Where was the mother and the father of this child? Did no one notice what this demented woman was doing?
I’mFedUp

All I can say…my church doesn’t tell me it’s okay to murder, beat and rape people. Until these sick pigs get their religion straightened out they don’t belong in our country. Why do we have to tolerate this nonsense in our country?

Angie

I’m reading all your comments, and I feel like I’m reading the same thing over and over again. Islam does not preach killing and beating your children and spouse. And if you want to disagree with me, I challenge you to pick up a koran and find the exact verse that says to do so, and quote it, and reference it (You Tube videos don’t count). Don’t use the tv and internet as your teacher, seek other sources. In reality, Islam holds women and children in high regards.

Someone had mentioned that an article “casually” said he had several wives. No, I know for a fact he divorced the first wife because of the accident and her slow recovery period that caused her to be permanatly disfigured. (Some might say this is info about his character to begin with).

Cathy in KS says, “Maybe only the sick and cruel fanatics are the ones making the news.” HELLO!!!!! Don’t you know, there is bad and good to every group of people? When was the last time you heard anything good about a Muslim on your tv set? Do you remember when Obama was running for president and there were speculations that he may be Muslim? The country was in a uproar. So the hell what, who cares what his religion is, or even if he has religion. My point it, YES, only the negative news in the Muslim society is plastered all over your television set. I’m sure if you all came out of your little sheltered coacoons, and actually networked with some normal Muslims, you’d be pretty shocked how some people twist Islam. It’s quite sickening.

Also, just to inform you guys, in Islam a woman is to dress modest in public. Key words, “in public.” So that means, in her own home she may wear whatever she pleases, including a tank top, so yes Lyn, a devout Muslim CAN own a tank top. It might come as a shock to you too, but a devout Muslim can also own undergarments and lingerie too. So if she was sleeping or lounging around her home in a tank top/underwear and she got a knock on the door, she’s more than likely to grab something, anything to cover herself up with. Most likely, her hijab and her long dress, (jilbab). And yes, she should be treated like everyone else when being processed, and when she had to take it off, that’s probably what she was wearing right before she was arrested.

Last but not, the religion, the scarf, her humiliation, or whatever, let’s not focus on the minor details. That’s what her husband wants so that the world can be distracted from what really happened. An innocent life was taken against her will, a defenseless child. We should be focusing on that. If we continue to focus on other details, Bhai’s death will be in vain. The more we continue to focus on surrounding facts and loose site of the reality of the case, we’ll be doing an injustice to Bhai and other children around the world that this world has lost.

I’mFedUp

Like I said Angie…we don’t have a lot of honor killings, beheadings, murders, etc. in MY church all in the name of religion. You must be a bot. And there IS something in the Koran about men beating their wives if they get out of line. It’s been posted here 100 times. If I cared about your Bot nonsense I would go dig it up and repost it. The bottom line is that it’s one group of people who pull this crap and they are Islamic. Period. Get your PC head out of your azz.

Angie

I won’t waste too much time and energy on a 12 year old’s comment, cause apprently you’re the one with your head in your ass. Like I said, I challenge you to find the verse and post it. But it’s not that you don’t care to do it, it’s because it’s “been posted here 100 times,” Sounds like laziness to me. Or maybe even the fact that you fear what you will find in this challenge. Whatever, you’re a looser and I’m sure you’ll get real far in life with your mentality and the blind folds you have on your eyes. Meanwhile, you keep educated yourself with sources from the internet and tv smart one.

Just pray for the poor girl that the child’s murder is bought to justice ass hole.

I’mFedUp

“Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” (Quran, 4:34)

Moron Bot…Here it is…Wanna argue about it now? Any religion that says to “beat your wife” is going to cause some problems as far as male/female relations. I don’t give a damn how not PC it is to say it…these people are barbarians and they justify the violence towards women through culture and religion.

Disgusted

****Crickets*******

arran

That verse in the Qu’ran is 4:34.

A Muslim extremist murdered Theo van Gogh, film director of “Submission”, an anti-Islam film, in which this, and similar, verses of the Qu’ran were painted on the bodies of abused Muslim women.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the film’s writer, said, “it is written in the Koran a woman may be slapped if she is disobedient. This is one of the evils I wish to point out in the film.”

Sharia Law in the UK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE0jRtvr45w

Hot Librarian

Whoa -children get beat up & killed in every society. It is wrong in every society.

It isnt about religion.

I’mFedUp

So, I guess the guy in New York who beheaded his wife…that had nothing to do with his culture? ROFLMAO. Come on.

Angie

Another smart one, Religion and Culture are two sepearte things moron. Learn to seperate the two.

Ashy1

Whether it is religion or culture, all I can say is I really don’t want this get-pi$$ed-and-chop-your-wife’s-head-off-thing to catch on in the U.S. This is not a snarky comment. Read the newspapers, that is pretty rare here.

As for Islam holding women and children in high esteem–I have two words for that: “lip service.” If that is true, then the impression one gets is that many Islamic men haven’t read the Koran. Where is the outrage over the death of the child? No, instead, it’s all about the “underwear” or tank top and what the police did. She was taken into custody in the same manner any other twisted, child-torturing, murderous female suspect would be taken. Are you still going to champion her Muslim rights if the child is found to have bite marks that match her teeth? If so, then what you value MOST will be made clear.

NomNomNom

“Are you still going to champion her Muslim rights if the child is found to have bite marks that match her teeth? If so, then what you value MOST will be made clear.”
I don’t champion “muslim rights”: I champion common courtesy and common sense. There was no reason to photograph her in this way.
The purpose of an id is for the police or authorities to be able to match one’s appearance to it; and for a mugshot, so that witnesses may be able to id suspects through it. Yet it seems pretty clear that the woman became a suspect because she lived in the house where the murder occurred, not because of the witness statements of strangers.
If she had been arrested in the commission of any crime, I can see photographing her in the clothes she was wearing at the time, whatever they might be; that’s not the case here.
If she was arrested shortly after the commission of any crime due to witness statements, then again I could see photographing her in whatever she was wearing. But again, that’s not the case here.
More, with her face distorted by crying, the id is less good for performing a comparison: not allowing her to dress has produced an inferior id to one they might have taken.
Because allowing her to dress decently didn’t cost the police anything, one wonders why they would behave this way. You may be as angry as you like, although the woman has not yet been convicted, but police are supposed to be professionals.
He state of undress may cast doubt on her confession: another potential undesirable outcome. If a North Carolina hillbilly can think of this you may be sure a smart lawyer will.
Also bite marks are not always reliable evidence. They’d better have more evidence that that.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/weekinreview/28santos.html?_r=1
As for what I value most in this case: it is coming to an accurate and rational conclusion by weighing of facts not kneejerk emotional reactions based on msm news reports, thx.
As of yet, I haven’t heard who else lives in the home and might have had access to the child, why the police decided Nour was their suspect, whether the husband has been dismissed as a suspect, whether or not there are other suspects, the rationale of the husband and the child’s father for believing Nour is innocent or that of the child’s mother for believing Nour is guilty, whether any of these people have past criminal charges for abusing children, and most importantly how a woman can beat a child to death over a 4 day period and no one knows or intervenes if they do know. That’s a lot of unanswered questions to form a conclusion with.

bart

He state of undress may cast doubt on her confession: another potential undesirable outcome. If a North Carolina hillbilly can think of this you may be sure a smart lawyer will.

For someone calling out other people for supposed insensitivity, you certainly are a model of tolerance and light. Or maybe YOUR prejudices are more OK than any other?

NomNomNom

lol, I am a North Carolina hillbilly.

NomNomNom

Besides: you are mistaking my point: iIm not talking about “sensitivity” I’m talking about sense. All the photo did was cast doubt on the confession. That’s dumb.
I’m making the statement that photographing her this way was dumb, not intolerant. I could give a rats a$$ about tolerance for religion, since I’d abolish all of it if I could.

Carol HAKA

Fuck it……whatever you want to call it!

And, by the way, religion has influenced culture forever.

Stop with your pious attitude!

CAROL HAKA

I don’t give a rat’s ass what her culture or religion is. It is impedeing on my culture and religion.
I’mFedUp

No Angie, you are the ignorant one. Do you read moron?

Hot Librarian

There are dreadful crimes everywhere. Beheadings -yes also chopping up people & either eating them ,or stuffing the bits somewhere.

I do not know the religion of all the perpetuators.

In recent history few atrocities between people can be worse than the Yuogosav wars . Christians killing christians , Catholics vs Orthodox & who can forget Sebrenica? Christians lining up 4,000 Muslim men & boys & leading them off to their deaths under the eyes of the christian dutch. ;A UN shame.
cynic

Show me any statistics suggesting that there’s a higher rate of domestic violence among the American Muslim community than the general population.

What we have here is a mentally disturbed woman who has killed her 2-year-old child, and in all probability an equally disturbed father who will very likely turn out to be guilty of criminal neglect, at the very least. “Muslim” is incidental. If the tag “Christian” were attached to every perpetrator in every news story where the discriptive would be equally applicable, people would be howling that it was a liberal plot to discredit the Christian religion.

Isn’t the person currently in police custody for the murder of 8-year-old Sandra Cantu a Sunday school teacher?

bart

Yep. And your point is? The woman who killed her husband a while back was a preacher’s wife (he was the preacher) and we have any number of Catholic priest molestation problems. I can’t remember anyone saying their religion should entitle them to special treatment by police.

And you saying this woman is disturbed doesn’t make it so. If that were the case, then someone NOT disturbed should have looked after the child.

Or maybe you’ll say the whole family is disturbed, at which time you’ll have to fend off the whole “muslim = disturbed” meme.

Ferd Berfle

The woman who killed her husband a while back was a preacher’s wife (he was the preacher)

And that fact was brought up often in news reports (I live near where it happened), which contradicts what cynic, aka credulous, said. Attempting to use logic and factual information with a mouth-breathing, droop-jawed obamabot like credulous is a waste of time.
cynic

I don’t believe any mother could do something like this to a child and not be severely disturbed.

Muslims have commented on the circumstances of the photograph only because they were directly questioned about it, after the husband tried to create a distracting issue. In replying, they were careful to separate their responses from their feelings about the crime itself.

The circling media vultures should forget about the damn head covering. It’s a distracting angle that they themselves have magnified, because they know the element will help sell their stories. The husband’s complaint has no relevance whatsoever to the terrible fact that his wife has murdered their child.

Angie

That is one of the points I was trying to make earlier, but as you can see, some people have their PC heads shoved way to far up their a$$es that they don’t even realize this. They only believe what the media tells them, and they call it an education. Pretty sad.
WMCB

Yes, it happens in every society, but the religious leaders in every society don’t approve and encourage and condone it, now do they?
I’mFedUp

Hey Hot Librarian…can you please quote me any religious documents, the Bible, whatever, in which it states a man must beat his wife like the Koran does? Hmmmm….

http://bintalshamsa.blogspot.com/ bint alshamsa

I can do even better. There are verses in the Bible that command the killing of women and children. There are other verses where a woman was offered to men to rape, in order to prevent men from being attacked. Afterwards, the woman was chopped up into pieces and her body parts were passed around. Now, if you think that beating women is a bad thing, surely you can see why these Bible verses are absolutely horrendous.

“Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women…” (Ezekiel 9:6)

“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” (Psalms 137: 9)

“Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him. And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly. Behold, there is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you; but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him; so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them, and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning, and when the day began to spring, they let her go….and her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way, and behold the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold….and when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.” (Judges 19:22,29)

I should note that there are thousands of Christian religious leaders who adamantly proclaim that everything in the Bible is true and accurate and that following it is the only way to please God.

NomNomNom

aack, I knew there was a reason I quit going to church when I was 4, thx for reminding me.
btw, you win.

viking

Islam cloaks itself as a ‘religion’ as a means to provide it legitimacy. It is, in fact, a barbaric ideology established to control every aspect of the society in which it is practiced through primitive coercion.

Angie

Oh god, you guys must be a group of 5th graders from the south. It’s not Islam that cloaks itself, It’s people smart ass.

arran

Enough with the name calling, Angie. I believe you’ve made your point several times over. Move on.

arran

As a southerner, I don’t appreciate your reference to us in this discussion.

bart

Hey genius,

If you’re preaching tolerance and not being prejudiced, lay off us southerners.

And being a 5th grader from Atlanta or Chapel Hill somehow makes you more of a child than one from Minneapolis?
I’mFedUp

Typical Bot who is sent here to defend her boss’s religion and culture. Duh. Angie, you moron, guess what? You just made a big fat ass of yourself? PC? You wanna come here and defend chopping women into little bits because you’re so PC but you belittle people from the American South? Get a life LOSER.
viking

Yeeess Angie, the people who utilize Islam do so under the guise of being holy, religious leaders and followers.

Hot Librarian

Vikings did some creative beheadings.

Anyhow PEACE MAN>

bart

Seriously? You’re going back to the 800 AD (or so) to justify what some see as justifiable practice NOW?

If the vikings beheaded people, I’m thinking it’s not an acceptable practice NOW in either Sweden or Norway.

Unless your point is the viking society of the 800s is roughly equivalent to some societies today?

I’mFedUp

These PC nuts will go all the way back to someone getting killed in Ancient Greece to justify why, in 2009, the Islamic nuts still perform “honor killings” on women. Very sad that a lot of times it’s WOMEN defending this crap. WTF is that about?

viking

Is that just for me? Seems like it. Tell you what, I’ll take the historic Vikings over the Islamists ANYTIME! You don’t see the nordics clamoring for blood over the Hagar the Horrible comic strip, do you?

There is some excellent scholarship available on the history of the Viking culture and its contributions to Western civilization (jury trials, legislatures, navigation) which dispels much of the distortions of purported barbarism. They were a force to be reckoned with, no doubt, but they never sought domination over others nor dishonorably claimed to be a ‘religion’. Beheadings, even in battle, were not their signature.

Cathy in Ks.

I went to bed last night so I missed the rest of the discussion. To Angie, I appreciate your concern and it is true, I know very few people of the Muslim faith. I have one brother-in-law who grew up in the Muslim faith in Iran. He has lived in this country for almost 40 years and has became an American citizen many years ago. He still has family back in Iran and at one time hoped to return to Iran but the Ayatollah Khoumeni dashed his hopes. He has horror stories to tell about what religious people in Iran have done to innocent women and children. Today he is agnostic. I like and respect my brother-in-law very much. He is very socially active, a good and kind person and deeply spiritual.

Perhaps the real problem is that some people who seem to lack “souls” masquerade themselves under the guise of “devoutly religious” people. I don’t know. I agree that there are “bad apples” in every group of people. What I found so repugnant about this story was that this woman admitted to brutally torturing and killing a very young child and her husband was only concerned about her being photographed in a manner that he considered a violation of their religious edicts. The fact that she had just admitted to a heinous crime against a defenseless child seemed to be only a footnote for him.
I’mFedUp

To clueless people here like Angie, Cyanide, etc. here’s another one for you…

There Must Be Violence Towards Women

http://yementimes.com/article.shtml?i=1117&p=community&a=6

I can only hope that you get slapped around by some man in the name of Islam some day. Maybe then you’ll STFU and start protecting America and Americans from this filthy belief system.

viking

I’mFedUp-

Thanks for link. The author’s plea to see how the beating of females is a beneficent favor to them and all of Islamic society says it all.

Ashy1

Yes, I wonder where is the companion piece entitled, “There Must Be Violence Towards Men.”

ILBlue

For all you PC do gooders I have a question for you?

Do you want Sharia Law in the U.S.?

DO you believe that any religion or custom within any culture makes it ok to beat, rape , force them to have sex with in the marriage against their will?

Do you believe that 8 year old little girls should be forced into marriage ?

I for one don’t care what religion, or background someone is none of the above is acceptable .

Riots in France by youth , but MSM didn’t tell us it was Muslim youth.

I have tried and tried to not blame all muslims since 9-11 but the more I see of this Sharia law being forced on European countries one by one and I see more and more in the U.S. I can not agree or accept it.

They need to follow our laws or their is a large , large area of the world that accepts this behavior.

If for one moment you don’t think that this will flow over into how women in general will be treated in the U.S. if we allow it you are yust not thinking logically.

Has this been occurring and we did not hear it as much in the past in the U.S.? Probably and now it is because people don’t think like or abide this behavior in this country .

And then again the Muslim population is growing enormously in this country and as tax payers we are having to accommodate their customs more and more.

Many schools have had to change what they say and do , taxi drivers expect only certain things allowed in their taxi’s ( get another job ) they work in a store or restaurant and won’t perform parts of the job when other do or get fired.

Where does it end? Tell me , do we have to give up our customs and beliefs in our country when we would NEVER get the same in theirs??

Too many foreigners in general demand we accept their customs here but by George they frequently don’t have to pay the price for breaking the rules the rest of us have to follow.

I’mFedUp

ILBlue…and now we have a self-admitted Muslim President. Welcome to your new world. Sharia Law will be here within six months, max. And all of the stuff you listed above? It’s fine in America. No problem. It’s usually the PC women here who defend these crimes against their own. I don’t get it, but like I said…welcome to your new world. It was planned this way.

viking

Fuck this mentality over all. WE ARE AMERICANS!!
There is no forgetting. Only failure to recruit in such a hostile environment.

Hot Librarian

How does the 28 year old female Sunday School teacher killing an 8 year old in California going down with y’all.
Cindy

First of all, let me make one thing clear. This woman IS NOT a representative of Islam. Many people here get a little too happy at any chance to start making fun and punishing Muslims (Freedom of religion?)I’m a Muslim American, and very proud of my nationality and religion. I never broke the law, made fun of anyone, never been a racist, and I have always treated everyone with respect, no matter what they chose to wear,or what religion, if any they follow. Is this because I’m an American? After seeing how some “Americans” treat Muslims,Im not sure if being American has anything to do with being a respected citizen, but all I know is my Islam teaches me not to kill, lie,steal,cheat or disrespect anyone period. This woman broke the law like so many mothers do, makes no difference what she wears, she just like the others will be punished now, and in the life after. And just to make it clear, I wear hijab, not because I got beat, or being forced, I chose to wear it because its what our religion says, just like Mary chose to be modest. The woman is an alledged killer,it doesnt make a difference Muslim, Catholic,Atheiest. It’s amazing, how many mothers kill their own children each year, and no one tells what religion they are, now the one woman who kills a child, its because shes a Muslim? WAKE UP PEOPLE! And lets pray for the blessing of this inocent little girls soul, even though she not named Kaily, Haden, or Jessica, and stop these racsist comments Just pray that Allah will bless her soul and help her suffering parents.
arabs

this is wrong to undress her when she is covered rights the girl is dead but she can be cheked not beging rude and not respecting others religons this is wrong would u like to see ur wife undessd or naked crying if or not she did something wrong RESPECT THE WHAT SHE WEREING AMERICA IS A DISSAPPOINTMENT SHAME SHAME AMERCIA WE ARE ALL ONE SHAME
timmyt

Are you kidding me!!! Look, this is America. Period. Respect the laws here as if you would do anywhere else….Our laws, Photo identification from the front and the side. If you don’t like it, MOVE. And how dare you say Shame Shame America. And damn everybody who shows any pitty on a child killer. (Who Confessed.)
Thank You!!!
Amel

I think she deserves worse than 25 yrs and depotation i have no symphty and i am arab muslim. what she did is against my religion Islam and she should face the dealth peneltay for murdering her 2 yr old niece

timmyt

Thank you Amel. I could not agree more.

concerned

I am muslim and I wear the hijab but the way I see it she is going to hell anyway so whats the point of wearing now and another thing I happen to have met this woman once and I have to say her husbands mad about a photo of her without the hijab he should have been mad at his cuzins wedding when she was wearing a skin tight dress and danceing like a belly dancer
Another thing Bhias Parents and Uncle also need to be arrested her parents for criminal neglance and her her uncle for conspiracie I know a little about the family situation and feel they all need to be locked up
http://none ally

i think this is horrible i am dicusting i am crying right now who would do that do a little girl i have a sister that is 2 and if anyone hurt her i would kill them.
Lina

To all of you guye, just to let you know, in Islam, If someone kills an innocent child, adult, old,..etc…he should be killed.

If she killed her,then, to hell with Nour
sunya

ithink you say ladies who wear on their head are all murders no they are not all murders i have five kids of my own and three of my sisters that we live together and we all ask how her husband did not see the child when he came home from work i think he should be put in with her because he is a murder just like she is.
Amin

You stupid mejnoun (psycho), what modesty, she is a murderer!!! Are you crazy! I am sorry habibi, but you clearly do not understand your religion!
adam abdel

Well the 2 year old was my 1st cousin and she live by me since she was born but her father took the kids and put them my his sister inaw and she kille her by hitting her with shoes hangers and spoons till won ay she wok up her face was white and she died at 12:00 pm and i was at her funeral and s= yes the aunty did kill her the 2 year oold mom abir is my aunt she was living by us at te time to also her bigbrother who was 4 ahmad.