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		<title>By: I'mFedUp</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21056/but-barack-did-not-bow-to-pirates/#comment-1181795</link>
		<dc:creator>I'mFedUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course I feel safe, thanks to our military and the Captain who had the courage to jump ship.  Because of the Fraud?  Not so much.  YAWN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course I feel safe, thanks to our military and the Captain who had the courage to jump ship.  Because of the Fraud?  Not so much.  YAWN.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21056/but-barack-did-not-bow-to-pirates/#comment-1181789</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take your yawn to mean that you again feel safe from the baddies that were causing you to flee from local waterways... boredom = safety, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take your yawn to mean that you again feel safe from the baddies that were causing you to flee from local waterways&#8230; boredom = safety, right?</p>
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		<title>By: I'mFedUp</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21056/but-barack-did-not-bow-to-pirates/#comment-1181779</link>
		<dc:creator>I'mFedUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yawn...Bot...Nice try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn&#8230;Bot&#8230;Nice try.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

That&#039;s some serious psychosis you&#039;re cultivating there.

Get some help.

I think Larry&#039;s point makes perfect sense - Obama&#039;s job here isn&#039;t &#039;chief negotiator&#039; and find it quite the correct course that the President &lt;i&gt;didn&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; see the need to grab a microphone at every juncture over the last 4 days.  In fact, if he held a daily press conference and given a big a speech on the situation -- I think many people would have quite rightly had PLENTY to criticize.

Containing the situation until assets were in place and a rescue plan ready to go necessarily means keeping the public and press out of the situation to the greatest extent possible... so while Gingrich, Beck, and the rest of the doomsayers were taking their free shots about a feckless response --- the &quot;feck&quot; was coming.

A bunch of tough-talking and speechifying would have served absolutely no purpose in this situation.

FBI negotiators kept the pirates contained, while the navy cordoned off the area - remember Friday, we had a situation with other pirates supposedly en route - and a SEAL team was dropped into the area to enact a rescue plan.

I&#039;m sorry you had to spend a few days worried about piracy because the administration didn&#039;t feel the need to assure you that your weekend fishing trip would be pirate free -- but I trust now that 3 pirates are dead, a 4th is being held, and Captain Phillips is free and unharmed --- you can again feel safe taking to the waterways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s some serious psychosis you&#8217;re cultivating there.</p>
<p>Get some help.</p>
<p>I think Larry&#8217;s point makes perfect sense &#8211; Obama&#8217;s job here isn&#8217;t &#8216;chief negotiator&#8217; and find it quite the correct course that the President <i>didn&#8217;t</i> see the need to grab a microphone at every juncture over the last 4 days.  In fact, if he held a daily press conference and given a big a speech on the situation &#8212; I think many people would have quite rightly had PLENTY to criticize.</p>
<p>Containing the situation until assets were in place and a rescue plan ready to go necessarily means keeping the public and press out of the situation to the greatest extent possible&#8230; so while Gingrich, Beck, and the rest of the doomsayers were taking their free shots about a feckless response &#8212; the &#8220;feck&#8221; was coming.</p>
<p>A bunch of tough-talking and speechifying would have served absolutely no purpose in this situation.</p>
<p>FBI negotiators kept the pirates contained, while the navy cordoned off the area &#8211; remember Friday, we had a situation with other pirates supposedly en route &#8211; and a SEAL team was dropped into the area to enact a rescue plan.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you had to spend a few days worried about piracy because the administration didn&#8217;t feel the need to assure you that your weekend fishing trip would be pirate free &#8212; but I trust now that 3 pirates are dead, a 4th is being held, and Captain Phillips is free and unharmed &#8212; you can again feel safe taking to the waterways?</p>
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		<title>By: I'mFedUp</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21056/but-barack-did-not-bow-to-pirates/#comment-1181746</link>
		<dc:creator>I'mFedUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, David, what else would the so called CIC have done?  NOT given the order?  LMAO.  At least the jizzbrain signed the order that SOMEONE ELSE put in front of him.  Yeah, he signs just about everything put in front of him.  The Navy and Phillips saved the day.  Obama signed a document.  And he never once, never addressed this country about the situation, or made ME (I pay his salary) feel that he knew WTF he was doing.  I don&#039;t think he did.  And I certainly don&#039;t relish the thought of him handling a major sized crisis.  Maybe when he screws that up the bots will get that he is not only way out of his league, but he really doesn&#039;t give two shits what happens to this country.  In fact, as we all know, he is purposely destroying us for this &quot;I&#039;m going to rule the world&quot; mental illness he has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, David, what else would the so called CIC have done?  NOT given the order?  LMAO.  At least the jizzbrain signed the order that SOMEONE ELSE put in front of him.  Yeah, he signs just about everything put in front of him.  The Navy and Phillips saved the day.  Obama signed a document.  And he never once, never addressed this country about the situation, or made ME (I pay his salary) feel that he knew WTF he was doing.  I don&#8217;t think he did.  And I certainly don&#8217;t relish the thought of him handling a major sized crisis.  Maybe when he screws that up the bots will get that he is not only way out of his league, but he really doesn&#8217;t give two shits what happens to this country.  In fact, as we all know, he is purposely destroying us for this &#8220;I&#8217;m going to rule the world&#8221; mental illness he has.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on....?

The failed state of Somalia is to blame for the pirates.  I think there are plenty of tendrils of blame that can go to a whole host of entities - the AU&#039;s lack of a response, the UN ineptitude, and the US (under both Dem and GOP administrations, including the current one) for having virtually nothing in terms of policy to deal with the situation in Somalia.

I take nothing away from Captain Phillips - especially his bravery in offering himself up as captive to get the pirates off his ship and ensure the relative safety of his crew - but it seems to me that having the special ops team in place and their amazing marksmanship in a difficult environment also played a big role... and like it or not - and as much as the decision was &lt;i&gt;certainly&lt;/i&gt; influenced heavily by the appropriate folks on the JCS and others - the buck ultimately has to stop with the CiC who gives the order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on&#8230;.?</p>
<p>The failed state of Somalia is to blame for the pirates.  I think there are plenty of tendrils of blame that can go to a whole host of entities &#8211; the AU&#8217;s lack of a response, the UN ineptitude, and the US (under both Dem and GOP administrations, including the current one) for having virtually nothing in terms of policy to deal with the situation in Somalia.</p>
<p>I take nothing away from Captain Phillips &#8211; especially his bravery in offering himself up as captive to get the pirates off his ship and ensure the relative safety of his crew &#8211; but it seems to me that having the special ops team in place and their amazing marksmanship in a difficult environment also played a big role&#8230; and like it or not &#8211; and as much as the decision was <i>certainly</i> influenced heavily by the appropriate folks on the JCS and others &#8211; the buck ultimately has to stop with the CiC who gives the order.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the anger is with how &lt;i&gt;you think&lt;/i&gt; Obama would have acted in a hypothetical op gone wrong?

That doesn&#039;t seem to track to me... every statement that&#039;s come from the administration has done precisely that -- heaping praise on the military for accomplishing the mission.

I&#039;m just pointing that from all reasonable points of view, everything seems to have worked properly.

The pirates were kept at bay by negotiators until the assets and opportunity arose to resolve the situation, the President authorized a military solution, and once the assets and opportunity were in place -- and the military performed the mission flawlessly.

Whether rightly or wrongly, the CiC has &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; gets too much blame or too much praise when an operation goes well.... FDR faced investigations (and more than a few voices of blame) over Pearl Harbor.  FDR also got an enormous amount of credit for directing US efforts in WWII.  Kennedy got a lot of credit for handling the Cuban missile crisis, the same as he got a lot of blame for the failed summit that many think gave Kruschev the idea he COULD plant missiles in Cuba.  Reagan got plenty of credit for the end of the cold war, and also got plenty of blame for Beirut and the Achille Lauro and the escape of Abu Abbas.  Clinton got plenty of blame for Somalia.  Bush got/gets plenty of blame for Iraq.

So far as military actions go, the buck stops with the President, for better or worse.  It just seems silly to use this as an opportunity to attack Obama over some hypothetical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the anger is with how <i>you think</i> Obama would have acted in a hypothetical op gone wrong?</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t seem to track to me&#8230; every statement that&#8217;s come from the administration has done precisely that &#8212; heaping praise on the military for accomplishing the mission.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just pointing that from all reasonable points of view, everything seems to have worked properly.</p>
<p>The pirates were kept at bay by negotiators until the assets and opportunity arose to resolve the situation, the President authorized a military solution, and once the assets and opportunity were in place &#8212; and the military performed the mission flawlessly.</p>
<p>Whether rightly or wrongly, the CiC has <i>always</i> gets too much blame or too much praise when an operation goes well&#8230;. FDR faced investigations (and more than a few voices of blame) over Pearl Harbor.  FDR also got an enormous amount of credit for directing US efforts in WWII.  Kennedy got a lot of credit for handling the Cuban missile crisis, the same as he got a lot of blame for the failed summit that many think gave Kruschev the idea he COULD plant missiles in Cuba.  Reagan got plenty of credit for the end of the cold war, and also got plenty of blame for Beirut and the Achille Lauro and the escape of Abu Abbas.  Clinton got plenty of blame for Somalia.  Bush got/gets plenty of blame for Iraq.</p>
<p>So far as military actions go, the buck stops with the President, for better or worse.  It just seems silly to use this as an opportunity to attack Obama over some hypothetical.</p>
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		<title>By: I'mFedUp</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'mFedUp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anything had gone wrong, Obama would have blamed Bush.  So would just about everyone here.  In fact, there was a thread about Bush and Cheney being to blame for pirates in the first place.  It&#039;s getting ridiculous.  As someone said...Obama didn&#039;t save the Captain, the Captain saved Obama. Period.  That is the truth of the story.  The military saved us, and so did that amazing, courageous man, Phillips, who knew no one was going to rescue him.  And they weren&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything had gone wrong, Obama would have blamed Bush.  So would just about everyone here.  In fact, there was a thread about Bush and Cheney being to blame for pirates in the first place.  It&#8217;s getting ridiculous.  As someone said&#8230;Obama didn&#8217;t save the Captain, the Captain saved Obama. Period.  That is the truth of the story.  The military saved us, and so did that amazing, courageous man, Phillips, who knew no one was going to rescue him.  And they weren&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Credit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Credit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people saying that the credit belongs to the &lt;strong&gt;captain and the military men&lt;/strong&gt; who put their lives in danger to do the rescue.
Most have expressed the feeling that if things had gone wrong Obama most surely would have made sure that he was not to blame.  Obama would have made sure that everyone else would be pointing their fingers elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people saying that the credit belongs to the <strong>captain and the military men</strong> who put their lives in danger to do the rescue.<br />
Most have expressed the feeling that if things had gone wrong Obama most surely would have made sure that he was not to blame.  Obama would have made sure that everyone else would be pointing their fingers elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inflammatory?

Maybe.

But I sure am reading plenty of comments here that ring more with disappointment than happiness.  I still see plenty of posts that echo last week&#039;s well... wurlitzer echo chamber (He didn&#039;t act soon enough... He waited... He had to have his arm twisted).

I defer to Larry&#039;s expertise, but everything sure seems to have worked right here.

The hijacking happened Wednesday.  The first naval response arrived Thursday.  Per ABC news, the special ops team was secretly dropped in over the weekend.  

Seems to me, the smart thing to do WAS to &#039;negotiate&#039; until you had the assets in place to attempt a military solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inflammatory?</p>
<p>Maybe.</p>
<p>But I sure am reading plenty of comments here that ring more with disappointment than happiness.  I still see plenty of posts that echo last week&#8217;s well&#8230; wurlitzer echo chamber (He didn&#8217;t act soon enough&#8230; He waited&#8230; He had to have his arm twisted).</p>
<p>I defer to Larry&#8217;s expertise, but everything sure seems to have worked right here.</p>
<p>The hijacking happened Wednesday.  The first naval response arrived Thursday.  Per ABC news, the special ops team was secretly dropped in over the weekend.  </p>
<p>Seems to me, the smart thing to do WAS to &#8216;negotiate&#8217; until you had the assets in place to attempt a military solution.</p>
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		<title>By: D.K. Jamal</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.K. Jamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Reading the comments here, I cannot help but think some of you (not all by any means) are disappointed that Captain Phillips isn’t dead and the pirates escaped…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Inflammatory, for one, and nonsense, for two.

The comments here indicate that all agree the captain is a genuine American hero who deserves much credit (except according to Larry), regardless of how they feel about Obama.

To suggest otherwise is shameful and indicates that you have an axe to grind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Reading the comments here, I cannot help but think some of you (not all by any means) are disappointed that Captain Phillips isn’t dead and the pirates escaped…</p></blockquote>
<p>Inflammatory, for one, and nonsense, for two.</p>
<p>The comments here indicate that all agree the captain is a genuine American hero who deserves much credit (except according to Larry), regardless of how they feel about Obama.</p>
<p>To suggest otherwise is shameful and indicates that you have an axe to grind.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The President and military of Somalia?

There is no such thing.

Somalia is a near complete anarchistic state - there is no functional state apparatus and hasn&#039;t for nearly two decades.  I&#039;m not bashing Bill Clinton here, but Somalia has only worsened since the failed intervention in 1994.  

There are two choices here -- either an extensive and enormous military deployment to embark on a nation building escapade, or, an expensive and extensive naval deployment (I&#039;ve heard 200+ ships to properly control the sea lanes at risk... we have 16 in area).

I don&#039;t think we have the capabilities or the will to nation build in Somalia at this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The President and military of Somalia?</p>
<p>There is no such thing.</p>
<p>Somalia is a near complete anarchistic state &#8211; there is no functional state apparatus and hasn&#8217;t for nearly two decades.  I&#8217;m not bashing Bill Clinton here, but Somalia has only worsened since the failed intervention in 1994.  </p>
<p>There are two choices here &#8212; either an extensive and enormous military deployment to embark on a nation building escapade, or, an expensive and extensive naval deployment (I&#8217;ve heard 200+ ships to properly control the sea lanes at risk&#8230; we have 16 in area).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we have the capabilities or the will to nation build in Somalia at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading the comments here, I cannot help but think some of you (not all by any means) are disappointed that Captain Phillips isn&#039;t dead and the pirates escaped... 

Does Obama deserve a medal?  No.

But - the captain is free, 3 of the 4 pirates are dead - the 4th is in custody.  Trying to find some sliver of a way to attack Obama on this is pretty stupid.

Our nation functions best with a vibrant and REASONED opposition... BooZoo is absolutely right - when the opposition becomes so automated that everything the opponent does is wrong, you become pretty irrelevant in the national discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading the comments here, I cannot help but think some of you (not all by any means) are disappointed that Captain Phillips isn&#8217;t dead and the pirates escaped&#8230; </p>
<p>Does Obama deserve a medal?  No.</p>
<p>But &#8211; the captain is free, 3 of the 4 pirates are dead &#8211; the 4th is in custody.  Trying to find some sliver of a way to attack Obama on this is pretty stupid.</p>
<p>Our nation functions best with a vibrant and REASONED opposition&#8230; BooZoo is absolutely right &#8211; when the opposition becomes so automated that everything the opponent does is wrong, you become pretty irrelevant in the national discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Boo Zoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boo Zoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;I believe we need to keep our criticism focused on what Barack does or does not do. If we criticize him for everything he does regardless of outcome we end up looking foolish and have no credibility. 

I agree with you, Larry. If you listen to Hannity and Rush, no sooner does Obama get out of bed each morning than he begins to f*ck up. Dude can&#039;t even brush his teeth right. The cartoonish portrayal of him hurts conservatism. Give credit where credit is due.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;I believe we need to keep our criticism focused on what Barack does or does not do. If we criticize him for everything he does regardless of outcome we end up looking foolish and have no credibility. </p>
<p>I agree with you, Larry. If you listen to Hannity and Rush, no sooner does Obama get out of bed each morning than he begins to f*ck up. Dude can&#8217;t even brush his teeth right. The cartoonish portrayal of him hurts conservatism. Give credit where credit is due.</p>
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		<title>By: rickya</title>
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		<dc:creator>rickya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I would have agreed with you, Larry had it not been for the fact that Obama did not want to act early on because of the fear of failure.  It took the Navy seals strong arming him for Obama to act(Navy seal appearing on CNN saying in many words that it was the lack of political will on the part of the administration that is keeping the military from acting).  This is cowardice in the highest degree.

So no, Larry.  I DON&#039;T agree that Obama deserves any credit.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I would have agreed with you, Larry had it not been for the fact that Obama did not want to act early on because of the fear of failure.  It took the Navy seals strong arming him for Obama to act(Navy seal appearing on CNN saying in many words that it was the lack of political will on the part of the administration that is keeping the military from acting).  This is cowardice in the highest degree.</p>
<p>So no, Larry.  I DON&#8217;T agree that Obama deserves any credit.</strong></p>
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