Comments on: How Deep is Your Love? http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/ Sun, 27 May 2012 09:11:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Serf Nation http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1183698 Serf Nation Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:57:44 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1183698 Heard on Fox a couple days ago that the reason he got this breed was because Ted Kennedy has them and he wanted Obama to get one like his. They also said that Kennedy arranged to get the dog which is from a breeder that Kennedy uses. So once again, it was "payback" for a political favor. He couln't say no to Ted Kennedy after all the Kennedy's did to get him elected... The elites, you know, can't use anything but the best - a pound would be 2nd class to them. Same as the girls needing to go to the best private school, while there's not a second thought given to the kids who have to stop going there because the Dems are discontinuing the DC school vouchers. Everything Obama and the Dems have been doing is related to a political favor. Very disappointing, but not unexpected knowing his track record and ethical standards His actions were a huge lost benefit for humane societies across the country. You know there will be a run on this type of dog and people will get them from breeders because that's what the Obama's did. He could have promoted shelter use by getting this type of dog from a shelter and kept the premise of his "charming" campaign promise (get a mutt like him)while and still pleased Kennedy by getting the breed he has. Heard on Fox a couple days ago that the reason he got this breed was because Ted Kennedy has them and he wanted Obama to get one like his. They also said that Kennedy arranged to get the dog which is from a breeder that Kennedy uses.

So once again, it was “payback” for a political favor. He couln’t say no to Ted Kennedy after all the Kennedy’s did to get him elected…

The elites, you know, can’t use anything but the best – a pound would be 2nd class to them. Same as the girls needing to go to the best private school, while there’s not a second thought given to the kids who have to stop going there because the Dems are discontinuing the DC school vouchers. Everything Obama and the Dems have been doing is related to a political favor.

Very disappointing, but not unexpected knowing his track record and ethical standards

His actions were a huge lost benefit for humane societies across the country. You know there will be a run on this type of dog and people will get them from breeders because that’s what the Obama’s did. He could have promoted shelter use by getting this type of dog from a shelter and kept the premise of his “charming” campaign promise (get a mutt like him)while and still pleased Kennedy by getting the breed he has.

]]> By: LesleeE http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182919 LesleeE Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:47:55 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182919 Thanks for the reminder, great site. Thanks for the reminder, great site.

]]> By: the gal from cal http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182877 the gal from cal Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:19:37 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182877 Why was my post getting eaten? Ok 3rd attempt: To help homeless animals go to this site and click on the click to give button. You can refresh and click as many times as you care to each click is .6 of a bowl of food for a homeless animal. http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=3&link=ctg_ars_home_from_ars_thankyou_sitenav Please do this everyday and for the price of a Starbucks coffee ($5) you could also help a homeless animal at Best friends Animal Sanctuary or any of your local pet shelters please give I am am giving $5 today will any one match my challenge? Why was my post getting eaten? Ok 3rd attempt:
To help homeless animals go to this site and click on the click to give button. You can refresh and click as many times as you care to each click is .6 of a bowl of food for a homeless animal.

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=3&link=ctg_ars_home_from_ars_thankyou_sitenav

Please do this everyday and for the price of a Starbucks coffee ($5) you could also help a homeless animal at Best friends Animal Sanctuary or any of your local pet shelters please give I am am giving $5 today will any one match my challenge?

]]> By: Linda Anselmi http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182785 Linda Anselmi Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:04:14 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182785 OT - I think many groups might be suspicious that such a vague requirement might indicate someone looking for a "test" dog or "fight" victim. Sadly not all people looking for dogs are interested in giving them a good home. OT -

I think many groups might be suspicious that such a vague requirement might indicate someone looking for a “test” dog or “fight” victim. Sadly not all people looking for dogs are interested in giving them a good home.

]]> By: Linda Anselmi http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182776 Linda Anselmi Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:57:04 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182776 Mountainaires - Many blessings upon you and your dog loving heart. I'll bet those dog walks are never dull. Mountainaires –

Many blessings upon you and your dog loving heart. I’ll bet those dog walks are never dull.

]]> By: Linda Anselmi http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182768 Linda Anselmi Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:50:29 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182768 Portia - Thanks for sharing. Yes. Bird and parrot rescue groups do great work also. I would love to have a bird some day. For now i take my joy from watching my outdoor visitors. Portia – Thanks for sharing. Yes. Bird and parrot rescue groups do great work also. I would love to have a bird some day. For now i take my joy from watching my outdoor visitors.

]]> By: the gal from cal http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182760 the gal from cal Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:43:10 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182760 Sobering article thank you for posting it Linda. I challenge everyone here to go to this site and click on the button everyday (I do it 6 times a day since each click is only .6 of a bowl of food for a homeless animal).It's free to do and you will help many. You can click as many times as you'd care to refresh the page: http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=3&link=ctg_ars_home_from_ars_thankyou_sitenav Another thing you can do is donate just $5 (about the cost of a cup of Starbucks coffee LOL) to any number of good organizations listed below: www.aldf.org www.aimeesanimals.com www.americanhumane.com www.aspca.org www.bestfriends.org www.ddal.org www.guidedogsofamerica.org/ www.hsus.org/ www.idausa.org/ www.ifaw.org www.thefundforanimals.org/home/ www.navs.org www.pcrm.org www.peta-online.org I am donating $5 to Best Friends will any of you folks match me? Sobering article thank you for posting it Linda. I challenge everyone here to go to this site and click on the button everyday (I do it 6 times a day since each click is only .6 of a bowl of food for a homeless animal).It’s free to do and you will help many. You can click as many times as you’d care to refresh the page:

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=3&link=ctg_ars_home_from_ars_thankyou_sitenav

Another thing you can do is donate just $5 (about the cost of a cup of Starbucks coffee LOL) to any number of good organizations listed below:

http://www.aldf.org
http://www.aimeesanimals.com
http://www.americanhumane.com
http://www.aspca.org
http://www.bestfriends.org
http://www.ddal.org
http://www.guidedogsofamerica.org/
http://www.hsus.org/
http://www.idausa.org/
http://www.ifaw.org
http://www.thefundforanimals.org/home/
http://www.navs.org
http://www.pcrm.org
http://www.peta-online.org

I am donating $5 to Best Friends will any of you folks match me?

]]> By: Portia Elizabeth http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182750 Portia Elizabeth Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:30:23 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182750 May I just add that birds have rescue groups, too? I have a dear friend in Houston who is part of a wonderful parrot-rescue org. She has 12 at her house right now, 3 foster birds, the rest her own although most of them are rescues. Her newesy baby is a macaw who was used as an alarm for a dog-fighting group. Deja would scream when any strangers got close to the hideout. She had little socialization and no one had ever taught her to talk. My friend fostered her and felll in love. Deja is still a bit shy, but doesn't scream much anymore and gives kisses. If you're considering getting a parrot and you understand patience is needed to earn their trust, please think about a rescued bird. Many have sad stories in their past, but still want to give affection and companionship. My African grey, Lola, is a constant source of joy. And she keeps my two dogs and five cats in line with her bossiness. May I just add that birds have rescue groups, too? I have a dear friend in Houston who is part of a wonderful parrot-rescue org. She has 12 at her house right now, 3 foster birds, the rest her own although most of them are rescues.
Her newesy baby is a macaw who was used as an alarm for a dog-fighting group. Deja would scream when any strangers got close to the hideout. She had little socialization and no one had ever taught her to talk. My friend fostered her and felll in love. Deja is still a bit shy, but doesn’t scream much anymore and gives kisses.
If you’re considering getting a parrot and you understand patience is needed to earn their trust, please think about a rescued bird. Many have sad stories in their past, but still want to give affection and companionship.
My African grey, Lola, is a constant source of joy. And she keeps my two dogs and five cats in line with her bossiness.

]]> By: the gal from cal http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182746 the gal from cal Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:24:31 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182746 Yay! Go Seattle Moss! Glad you put the scumbag on notice! Yay! Go Seattle Moss! Glad you put the scumbag on notice!

]]> By: James Guglielmino http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182667 James Guglielmino Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:34:08 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182667 Elizabeth, I would like to offer some comments on your post. I think you are jumping to a conclusion that is unwarranted regarding the breeder of Biden's dog. Having experienced what I have, it is unlikely that I would buy a dog from ANY breeder but I have training and experiences that Joe Biden and most others don't have. That training and experience leads me to understand that there really are some people out there who I would call "good breeders." Now, we could discuss if *any* breeder of dogs can be "good," but that is a different discussion and very much subject to one's prejudices, not objective reasoning. It is, perhaps a little like declawing cats. The issue of puppy mills is an UGLY one. If you think that just because you and I and so many others hate seeing animals abused (how shall we define that? How many people attending this blog believe that water boarding ISN'T torture?) that you can shut down those mills. The dog breeding industry knows how to spell lobbyist, I promise you. Shutting down bad dog breeders is a huge, ongoing battle. Then, there is the issue of the rescue groups. They are ALL well intentioned. Most of them end up doing considerable harm. Do you think, for example, that if a woman adopts a cat, takes it home and finds that it is totally untrained to litter and brings it back to the rescue group, that she should be humiliated, demonized? I happen to know a woman who found herself in exactly that situation. I also happen to know intimately, the immense effort, emotional and financial, that she put into providing a loving and caring home for the cat that was euthanized before she visited the rescue group to get a new cat. Power corrupts. In New Jersey, PETA caused complaints to be made against a veterinarian after he hired a "spy" staff person, who video taped him and testified against him. If I recall correctly, he was eventually found not guilty of the charges. Was he the kind of veterinarian I want myself to be? I don't know. Did he deserve to be demonized? Perhaps not. PETA is probably the most radical of the rescue groups and in my view, goes too far in some cases. Let me describe an impossible scene to you: You are in a small room with a sociopath who is holding a gun to your head. On the floor is a Basset hound, puppy, around 6 months old and a child, about 3. You are handed a gun with one bullet and told that you are required to kill one of the creatures on the floor. There are no "neither of the above" answers. Which are you going to kill? Waht am I trying to point out? Human beings are not all the same. Some like dogs, some dislike them. Some like little dogs. Some like big, mean looking dogs. Some like cats. Some are allergic to cats. We humans exist on a spectrum. Someone at the very, very tip of one end of that spectrum......would kill the child to save the puppy. On the other hand, some of these dogs that rescue groups are determined to save, shouldn't be saved. All life is valuable but we cannot or should not judge dogs the way we do humans. What if a dog bites? Clients are FOREVER telling me that they believe there dog was abused as a puppy. What about genetics? What about the dog that inherited bad genes? If a dog threatens a child in the home, that dog should, without question, be removed from the home. No if's and's or but's. PERIOD. In such a case, the owner should consider euthanasia but the dog must be removed from the home. Can you imagine a situation where the previously loved family dog severely injures or even kills the baby? To sum up....because I could really write much more and I already see your eyes getting droopy, this issue, like so many, is very, very complex. There is no "fits all" answer. Jim Guglielmino, DVM Mission, Kansas Elizabeth, I would like to offer some comments on your post. I think you are jumping to a conclusion that is unwarranted regarding the breeder of Biden’s dog. Having experienced what I have, it is unlikely that I would buy a dog from ANY breeder but I have training and experiences that Joe Biden and most others don’t have. That training and experience leads me to understand that there really are some people out there who I would call “good breeders.” Now, we could discuss if *any* breeder of dogs can be “good,” but that is a different discussion and very much subject to one’s prejudices, not objective reasoning. It is, perhaps a little like declawing cats. The issue of puppy mills is an UGLY one. If you think that just because you and I and so many others hate seeing animals abused (how shall we define that? How many people attending this blog believe that water boarding ISN’T torture?) that you can shut down those mills. The dog breeding industry knows how to spell lobbyist, I promise you.
Shutting down bad dog breeders is a huge, ongoing battle.
Then, there is the issue of the rescue groups. They are ALL well intentioned. Most of them end up doing considerable harm. Do you think, for example, that if a woman adopts a cat, takes it home and finds that it is totally untrained to litter and brings it back to the rescue group, that she should be humiliated, demonized? I happen to know a woman who found herself in exactly that situation. I also happen to know intimately, the immense effort, emotional and financial, that she put into providing a loving and caring home for the cat that was euthanized before she visited the rescue group to get a new cat. Power corrupts. In New Jersey, PETA caused complaints to be made against a veterinarian after he hired a “spy” staff person, who video taped him and testified against him. If I recall correctly, he was eventually found not guilty of the charges. Was he the kind of veterinarian I want myself to be? I don’t know. Did he deserve to be demonized? Perhaps not. PETA is probably the most radical of the rescue groups and in my view, goes too far in some cases.

Let me describe an impossible scene to you: You are in a small room with a sociopath who is holding a gun to your head. On the floor is a Basset hound, puppy, around 6 months old and a child, about 3. You are handed a gun with one bullet and told that you are required to kill one of the creatures on the floor. There are no “neither of the above” answers. Which are you going to kill? Waht am I trying to point out? Human beings are not all the same. Some like dogs, some dislike them. Some like little dogs. Some like big, mean looking dogs. Some like cats. Some are allergic to cats. We humans exist on a spectrum. Someone at the very, very tip of one end of that spectrum……would kill the child to save the puppy.

On the other hand, some of these dogs that rescue groups are determined to save, shouldn’t be saved. All life is valuable but we cannot or should not judge dogs the way we do humans. What if a dog bites? Clients are FOREVER telling me that they believe there dog was abused as a puppy. What about genetics? What about the dog that inherited bad genes? If a dog threatens a child in the home, that dog should, without question, be removed from the home. No if’s and’s or but’s. PERIOD. In such a case, the owner should consider euthanasia but the dog must be removed from the home. Can you imagine a situation where the previously loved family dog severely injures or even kills the baby?

To sum up….because I could really write much more and I already see your eyes getting droopy, this issue, like so many, is very, very complex. There is no “fits all” answer.
Jim Guglielmino, DVM
Mission, Kansas

]]> By: LesleeE http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182660 LesleeE Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:25:49 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182660 "Major cat lover here". Me too, love dogs but cats are my passion. Sending good thoughts and love to you both. “Major cat lover here”. Me too, love dogs but cats are my passion.
Sending good thoughts and love to you both.

]]> By: mountainaires http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182602 mountainaires Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:32:47 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182602 I have 5 dogs, 4 of them are rescues that were dumped off in our neighborhood. We took them in, love them, spayed and neutered them, feed them, walk them, and protect them. It's painful for me to even read the beautiful, sad, but loving essay you wrote, because it wounds me to my very soul that a human being could be apathetic about the neglect and abuse of any animal. In my life, it's been a mission to protect them, love them and save them. I could no more pass by an animal that needed help, than I could pass by an infant dumped on the side of the road. It's a moral imperative; it's God's directive to me personally to help them whenever and wherever I can. I have the most wonderful friends and neighbors who feel the same way, and I love those people dearly--one of them has 7 dogs, all rescues. We pride ourselves on being the nuts of the neighborhood, out walking 5-7 dogs together, while onlookers chuckle at our wackiness. They are the wacky ones, if you ask me, because they don't have the gift of "mission" that we special ones have. :-) I believe there's a heaven especially for us, and it's filled with our four-legged angels, who'll greet us at the Rainbow Bridge... I have 5 dogs, 4 of them are rescues that were dumped off in our neighborhood. We took them in, love them, spayed and neutered them, feed them, walk them, and protect them. It’s painful for me to even read the beautiful, sad, but loving essay you wrote, because it wounds me to my very soul that a human being could be apathetic about the neglect and abuse of any animal. In my life, it’s been a mission to protect them, love them and save them. I could no more pass by an animal that needed help, than I could pass by an infant dumped on the side of the road. It’s a moral imperative; it’s God’s directive to me personally to help them whenever and wherever I can. I have the most wonderful friends and neighbors who feel the same way, and I love those people dearly–one of them has 7 dogs, all rescues. We pride ourselves on being the nuts of the neighborhood, out walking 5-7 dogs together, while onlookers chuckle at our wackiness. They are the wacky ones, if you ask me, because they don’t have the gift of “mission” that we special ones have. :-)

I believe there’s a heaven especially for us, and it’s filled with our four-legged angels, who’ll greet us at the Rainbow Bridge…

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182557 Elizabeth Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:54:35 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182557 I 100% agree that we should always adopt and rescue instead of supporting breeders. Adopting a dog from a shelter would have encouraged others to do the same. The President and VP squandered an unbelievable opportunity to set a positive example by adopting a dog from a shelter. On the other hand, it’s a two edged sword. Even if this pup were produced in a mill, under horrendous conditions (ie where Biden's German Sheppard came from), it is still a sentient being and has the rights to a good home just as much as a pound mutt does. The WH is giving it a home. Yes, it’s unfortunate that some dogs are bred in less-than-ideal conditions, but IT’S NOT THE DOGS FAULT, and no puppy should be punished becasue some person was irresponsible. Bad dog-breeding facilities can be shut down through legislation and activism etc. Then those animals in the worst living situations will be sent to shelters and will need homes regardless. My three rescue babies are all cats, but this is one more dog that has a home. In these days and times, that’s a positive and compassionate action we can all be very thankful for. I 100% agree that we should always adopt and rescue instead of supporting breeders. Adopting a dog from a shelter would have encouraged others to do the same. The President and VP squandered an unbelievable opportunity to set a positive example by adopting a dog from a shelter.

On the other hand, it’s a two edged sword. Even if this pup were produced in a mill, under horrendous conditions (ie where Biden’s German Sheppard came from), it is still a sentient being and has the rights to a good home just as much as a pound mutt does. The WH is giving it a home. Yes, it’s unfortunate that some dogs are bred in less-than-ideal conditions, but IT’S NOT THE DOGS FAULT, and no puppy should be punished becasue some person was irresponsible.

Bad dog-breeding facilities can be shut down through legislation and activism etc. Then those animals in the worst living situations will be sent to shelters and will need homes regardless.

My three rescue babies are all cats, but this is one more dog that has a home. In these days and times, that’s a positive and compassionate action we can all be very thankful for.

]]> By: Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182339 Obama: Dubya II Electric Boogaloo Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:08:38 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182339 Major cat lover here. I found my cat Phil in my old backyard when I lived on 45th ave in SF. I found him in October 1992, held him in my hand and it was a head on one side and a tail on the other. Hes 16 1/2 today but unfortunalty dying from cancer. Stuborn has he his he still continues doing his kitty thing. He's got about 1-3 months left I think but I'll probably take in a couple from a shelter I've been looking at lately. I'm not a big dog person but I really love cats. They have their life, I have mine, and occasionally we eat together and hang out. I love that! Major cat lover here. I found my cat Phil in my old backyard when I lived on 45th ave in SF. I found him in October 1992, held him in my hand and it was a head on one side and a tail on the other. Hes 16 1/2 today but unfortunalty dying from cancer. Stuborn has he his he still continues doing his kitty thing. He’s got about 1-3 months left I think but I’ll probably take in a couple from a shelter I’ve been looking at lately.

I’m not a big dog person but I really love cats. They have their life, I have mine, and occasionally we eat together and hang out. I love that!

]]> By: meileen http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/21061/how-deep-is-your-love/#comment-1182321 meileen Tue, 14 Apr 2009 02:40:48 +0000 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/?p=21061#comment-1182321 Very sad situation. Too bad our leader can't set an example for the rest of the nation. I obtained my blue heeler as a 9 week old pup from a sanctuary in Northern California (The Milo Foundation). This dog is the smartest critter in the world, smarter than many adults, I'd say. Definitely smarter than m0st of our p0ls. Very sad situation. Too bad our leader can’t set an example for the rest of the nation.

I obtained my blue heeler as a 9 week old pup from a sanctuary in Northern California (The Milo Foundation). This dog is the smartest critter in the world, smarter than many adults, I’d say. Definitely smarter than m0st of our p0ls.

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