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Barry and the Pirates–Obama’s Excellent Adventure (Update)

(bumped up from early afternoon Monday)

My position is unchanged–Barack Obama merits full praise and credit for being the Commander-in-Chief responsible for Sunday’s rescue of Captain Phillips off the coast of Somalia. If the hostage crisis had lingered on for weeks unresolved Obama would have been justly criticized for weak and vacillating leadership. Or if Captain Phillips had died during the rescue attempt Obama would have been vilified for acting recklessly. So give the man his due and stop being childish and churlish. (If you check out the articles linked at Memeorandum you will not find much in the way of news. What an appalling amount of vacuous commentary.)

I want to touch on a variety of issues, including who issued orders for the attack and the responsibility of Maersk for this mess. Let’s start with the issue of whether or not Barack Obama issued the order to shoot.

Obama did not order the SEALs to fire. The SEALs were on board the USS Bainbridge in response to a Deployment Order issued under the authority of President Obama and signed out by Secretary of Defense Gates. In addition, the authority of the on-scene Commander–the U.S. military officer in charge of the operation–was spelled out in an Execution Order, which gave the Commander his Rules of Engagement and guidance for a variety of scenarios. President Obama did provide very specific direction to the U.S. military forces–i.e., the pirates were not to be allowed to reach land and Captain Phillips was not going to be removed from the lifeboat by the pirates. Pay close attention to the press conference yesterday on the question of authority versus order:

QUESTION: Admiral, Justin again from Fox. it’s been reported that the order to take action came from President Obama. Is that accurate, did the order come from the top, and would you say that action was needed because the ship was getting closer to shore? Was that also another reason that the timing was now for this rescue effort?

GORTHNEY: Our authority came, you’re correct, our authorities came directly from the president. And the number one authority for incidents if we were going to respond was if the captain’s life was in immediate danger. And that is the situation in which our sailors acted.

QUESTION: Admiral, a couple of questions. First of all, a quick follow-up on that one. But that was a standing authority from the president. He wasn’t on the phone with the skipper of the “Bainbridge” saying, oh, yes, go ahead and take the shot.

GORTHNEY: Correct. That’s correct. Yes.

QUESTION: Also, if you could help us understand a little better about how this all went down. Were the three pirates in the capsule on the lifeboat or outside? Where was Captain Phillips at the time this was going on? And where were the sharp shooters? In other words, did they make themselves visible and available for the sharp shooters to then take the shot?

GORTHNEY: You are correct that – you are correct that there were standing orders that if he was at risk and we determined that he was under imminent danger, to go ahead and take decisive action. The intent of the entire time was a deliberate, slow deliberate process to let the negotiation process work itself out to a nonviolent end. And unfortunately, that did not occur.

The specifics of where everybody was, I do not have at this particular time, but they would not have been able to take the shots if the captain was anywhere at risk from being hit by one of our snipers.

QUESTION: If I could just follow-up. Was this an actual assault by somebody like the Navy Seals on the lifeboat itself, or was this a target of opportunity? Understanding that they presented a standing threat to the captain’s life, was this a target of opportunity for those sharp shooters?

GORTHNEY: I want to make one thing perfectly clear, that the on-scene commander determined that the captain was in imminent danger. If he was not in imminent danger, they were not suppose to take this sort of action, they were suppose to let the negotiation process worked it out. The on-scene commander took it as the captain was imminent danger and then made that decision and he had the authority to make that decision and he had seconds to make that decision.

Obama allowed the crisis action response system to work. He did his job and, if things had gone wrong, he would have been blamed. So I repeat, he gets full credit for being in charge even though it was a SEAL unit that executed the operation.

Barack Obama ought to send Maersk a bill for the cost of the rescue operation. Maersk is a culprit and partly responsible for this incident. Why? I have been informed by a knowledgeable source that Maersk had ordered its ships to reduce speed at sea in order to save on fuel and ultimately money. The ships were ordered not to exceed 14 knots. So what? If a ship is traveling at a speed of at least 15 knots it is almost impossible for pirates in a small boat to board the vessel. When traveling at 15 knots or greater these ships put out a large bow wave, which prevents a small boat from getting alongside a ship. That leaves the stern as the only point of access, which usually is too high above the water line and easier to defend as the only point of access. A crew on deck can easily use a charged fire hose to wash off any pirates trying to board their ship at a speed of 15 knots or higher.

The policy of Maersk to order its fleet to reduce speeds, especially in high risk piracy areas off the coast of Somalia, is at best negligent. When you couple that fact with the decision of Maersk officials to rebuff requests by the U.S. Government in March of this year to adopt additional security measures then you have a fact pattern that points to culpability in my book. I don’t know if this violates any law or creates a tort liability but it sure violates the law of common sense.

Obama is discovering, as did Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, that terrorism makes you relevant and successes against pirates and terrorists works like a double dose of viagra on a man with a floppy package. In this case an erection that lasts for more than four hours is not a bad thing.

Now what? Two short term solutions. In tandem with NATO and the UN, the U.S. should push to implement a convoy system to escort ships through the most dangerous areas. This is a short term fix only. In addition, key harbors along the Somali coast should be blockaded and all ships exiting Somali waters stopped and searched. All weapons on board Somali ships should be seized. The world’s negligence over the last three years (and the Bush Administration shares the blame) allowed the Somali clans to run wild in hijacking vessels and earning millions in ransom. It is now time to draw a line in the sand (how about set up warning buoys off shore?) and put the Somali clans on notice that the K-Mart Blue Light special on the sea lanes is no longer available.

If Obama fails to pursue sound policies to shut down the pirates then he will shoulder the blame for future attacks. He can no longer pretend he did not know. Until then he has a right to celebrate this victory over pirates, no matter how rag-tag. Obama made the right decisions and let the professionals work their magic.

UPDATE–The knucklehead writing under the moniker, “OBJECTIVE ANALYSIS,” is anything but objective and flat out ignorant on issues of analysis. Let me highlight one of his more stupid “claims:”

From another military personnel who blogged what happen:

“Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.

What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four-day-and-counting standoff between a rag-tag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

On Friday, April 9, as the standoff reached the end of its third day, I called on President Obama to take action to free the American hostage from his Somali captors. I outlined three possible operational tactics that could be used to do so; number 1 was the following:

The so-called “military” blogger betrays his complete lack of understanding about how Special Operations forces are alerted and how they deploy. I know because I work with them. They do not have magic powers and we have not yet developed teleport capabilities like Star Trek that can instantly move people from one point to another. No boys and girls, you have to be given orders and then you have to load an airplane and then the plane has to fly from a point in the United States to the destination. The notion that this is a mere “four” hour event to be solved by on-scene personnel is fucking lunacy and I challenge any so-called military expert to show up here in true name and make such a claim. You assholes who hide behind false names are cowards and wannabees. You do not know what you are talking about.

Once the SEALs who carried out this mission were alerted to deploy, which was a decision that went from the Joint Chiefs of Staff to the White House as a recommendation, add on at least 24 hours. Some news reports claim the SEALS rubber-ducked in (i.e., dropped boats from a plane and parachuted to the boats). That is one possibility for at least part of the team. It also is possible that the SEAL snipers were off-loaded at a forward staging base and put on a helicopter, which subsequently transported them to the Bainbridge. Bottomline is that the SEALS did not get on scene in condition to operate until Saturday morning at the earliest.

And let’s remember that the SEALS, while they have all of the endearing charm of a rugby team, are not wild-eyed cowboys. They get on station, they take up observation/sniper positions (and remember they do this in a way that the pirates on the lifeboat cannot see them) and start collecting information. The get into place with emergency assault authority but do not start firing until they have clear targets and can take out all of the bad guys with minimal risk to the hostage. There was no delay in this operation and these anonymous blogging assholes who claim otherwise are exaggerating their experience and their credentials. That particularly applies to this bozo writing under the name, “Objective Analysis.”

  • tek

    My position is unchanged: I can’t stand Barack Obama.

    Larry: you’re a good man to give credit where it’s due. My worry with Obama is that he’ll get some things right and then people will forget all the corrupt things he did to get in the WH. So, I’m giving him NO QUARTER!

    • inconsiderable wretch

      I wholly concur. Even if things sometimes accidentally turn out OK for the usurper we should be suspicious of the perfidious smile and the schemes it is intended to conceal.

      • tminu

        FOX just commented the 16 year old captured pirate might be brought to the USA for trial “for political hay” (meaning Barry’s going to want as much credit/publicity for this as possible even though he did nothing but get in the way and obstruct (great analysis of how Obama earns an “F” for the pirate incident–the captain jumped overboard thinking the Navy would take out the pirates but they could not due to standing orders, the pirates even shot directly at the USN vessels and they could not respond, thanks to Barry):
        http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2009/04/all-of-above.html
        even though the US has a standing treaty with Kenya (and his genocidal cousin Odinga for whom he campaigned is co-president).

        • tminu

          meaning Kenya has a standing treaty to TRY (with life appointed judges and juries) PIRATES from the area

        • http://Godhelpusall lee M

          Lame Cherry apparently is not aware of all the facts in this case. The fourth pirate who was taken into custody was not on the life boat when the action went down. He was on the Bainbridge negotiating for the ransom money and making his safe departure when the Seals did their thing. So he couldn’t have endangered the Captain. The Commander of the Bainbridge decided that Captain Phillips life was in danger (with an AK47 pointed at his back) and he gave the order to fire. There were three pirates in the life boat, three shots fired, three dead pieces of scum.

          Sorry to deflate your grading thesis, but your hatred of Obama seems to have tilted your thinking, Lame Cherry.

          I detest Obama also, but I’m with Larry on this one. If he hadn’t given a standing order the Seals could not have acted.

          I think you should upgrade your rating from an F to an A+, at least for the Navy. Even Captain Phillips says they are the heroes. The bottom line is, the Captain is alive and well and we can still say God Bless America and our Navy as well.

          • termo

            “If he hadn’t given a standing order the Seals could not have acted.”

            Not exactly a tough call. A group of precision shooting Navy SEALS stood onthe back of boat at night and shot to kill three teenage untrained pirates. Dangerous situation, but does not exactly rise to the level of endangering our troops to rescue the Captain.

            The standing order was a clear no-brainer.

        • mary

          TMINU

          Yes. Obama’s GENOCIDAL COUSIN ODINGA is now co-Prez of Kenya. AFter Obama went to Kenya just before the primaries and donated hundreds thousands of dollars of Taxpayers’ money to promote Odinga’s Sharia Law Campaign. He lost in Dec. ’07 and his murderous thugs burned Churches and raped hudnreds of women and girls. All this with American Taxpayers’ money.

          Odinga’s loss of hte election led to the Genocide in Kenya. Half milion people are now homeless in their own land.

          Odinga is the Kenyan version of REZKO. He is a billionaire Slum Landlord in Kenya who’s slowly changing the ethno-religious makeup of that poor country. Sharia Law–with Obummer’s money!
          Shame on Barack!

          Hillary 2012

          The reason he was successful with the piracy incident is exactly what Larry Johnson states: He allowed the process without interfering. That’s what dummies do. And their ventriloquist is ultimately more praiseworthy…

          I learned about the SEALS. I had no idea that they have to follow such pre-ordainred hierarchy of orders from above.
          Let’s be thankful then that Obambi’s do-nothingness and following proper Procedural Guidelines and letting the Seals do their job saved lives….You can;t dispute FACTS; and the pseudo-military-bloggers should take a hike…in Somalia….
          :et

    • getfitnow

      I’m with you tek. I don’t trust him. I still believe he’s a front man for everything that goes on. My hat tip goes to the brave captain, the SEALS and their commandore. I’m so glad it went well.

      • Credit

        Give Credit where Credit is due. I do not think that Obama deserves the Credit that many seem to be shoving his way. The Credit belongs with the military and the captain for how they handled the situation.

        During this whole mess we got more information from the media. The media were the ones asking that Americans take time to pray for the incident.

        Obama stood silently by saying nothing, not even asking for America’s good thoughts for the captain. Obama did this intentionally to avoid any finger pointing if anything went wrong as has happened under other presidents. Yes we would have pointed fingers at Obama if things have gone negatively, but that is because Obama seemed to be staying totally out of it.

        Right now it looks like the pirates are/were teens so there still might be some negative reprecussions. Is Obama going to take the blame for that I dont think so. If anything negative comes of this I will bet Obama will be the first one pointing fingers at others yelling “It wasnt my fault”.
        This is just my opion.

    • Julia

      And you are exactly right!

      OT but very interesting. Read this wonderful post

      “Progs, don’t you dare attempt your usual weasel-worded rationalizations. What we underwent in 2008 were not “excesses” — they were political atrocities, and we demand that you use that exact word.These atrocities were not committed by “some” Obama supporters. Refusal to denounce the evil committed by your compatriots equals participation in that evil. Thus, even if you personally did not try to race-bait the PUMAs into submission, you share guilt with those who did. (That is, if you did not attempt to restrain the perps — and don’t try, at this late date, to pretend that you did so unless you can cough up documentation)”

      http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2009/04/turning-of-worm-and-eating-of-crow.html

    • HC

      My position is unchanged: You are a blubbering douche.

    • Ellen D

      Obama seems to be keeping any claim for credit low-key which is to his credit.
      BTW – I saw him speak this morning with a video rerun and both times I’d swear that the first time the word “piracy” came up on his teleprompter he said “privacy”. Is that just me or did anyone else hear this?

      • http://Godhelpusall lee M

        You’re right Ellen, he said privacy. It was commented on later by someone in the media.

  • ScottVA

    NoBama GOT LUCKY! Let’s face it! He had capable people (for a change) IE- the US Military taking care of the situation! However, I think Larry is over doing the “credit” thing a tad bit… NoBama is nothing more then a dangerous form of Jimmy Carter!

    • tminu

      “This was a shabby handling of this situation and there is nothing to be cheered about here. A nation does not do this to her Citizens nor her Snipers.
      God pulled this one out of incompetence for Capt. Phillips as the human factor Obama made a near-catastrophe out of this by all the missteps.

      There will be more of this coming as terrorists have studied every aspect of this situation in knowing they have days to prepare and the next time they will have a small charge explosive device wired to the hostages to thwart the snipers while Obama prepares to fly in pizza and search for a religion to attend services for photo ops.” (and name a dog)

      And he’s still just an illegal usurper.
      Jus soli
      Jus sanguinus
      he can never be a natural born US citizen

      • I’mFedUp

        Like anyone I know says…Obama didn’t save the Captain, the Captain saved Obama. We got lucky this time that there were competent people doing their jobs in a White House vacuum. Next time we might not get so lucky.

        • tminu

          I think his foot dragging had all indications he might have wanted to use the Captain’s murder to parlay this into a Somalia invasion…which I hear talk of anyway, the initial “justification rumblings”…

  • kathleen

    pirates just sounds too romantic. Why not call them terrorist? Glad the Captain is safe

    Hey Larry/all know this it ot. But are you aware that Professor Norman Finkelstein is taking some hits again?
    Clark University President John Basset Cancels Finkelstein

    April 12, 2009
    http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/clark-university-president-john-basset-cancels-finkelstein/

    a few folks are covering this. Amy goodman did a blip the other day
    http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2009/04/the-conference-also-celebrates-the-centennial-of-sigmund-freuds-visit-to-clark-university-the-sole-american-university-where.html

    You used to be able to access Professor Finkelstein’s site by googling it. No longer. The I lobby strikes again. Would make a great post with your kind of punch

    • NoTrollZone

      kathleen, thank you for the link on Finkelstein and Clark University.

      • kathleen

        will put some money on that Rachel Maddow, Olbermann, Matthews will not touch this story. Just like they would not touch the Charles Freeman withdrawal…not a peep.

        sure they will spend 5-10 minutes on the Obama’s new dog

    • http://deleted Buzz Latte

      OH NO! The pirates ARE NOT terrorists, they’re perpetrators of a “man-made disaster”. Naughty, naughty for suggesting they are terrorists. Obama and comrades don’t like the “T” word!

      The whole incident was merely an inconvenience for the holy That One. See Reuters link, above.

      Needless to say, Obama apparently focused long enough to parrot whatever orders his advisors told him to. For that Obama deserves credit. The rest, meh.

      • cynic

        They’re not terrorists to the extent that they’re motivated by money rather than by ideology. This is an imporant distinction when you’re trying to work through any situation they’re involved in: With pirates, it’s really all about the money; they want to live to spend it.

        The dynamics and strategies are entirely different when your adversaries embrace the idea that they’ll achieve martyrdom by way of death.

  • margaret

    Thanks Larry for your sound objectivity.

    • Geo

      Yes THANK YOU Larry Johnson. You have integrity to give an honest evaluation of this situation. Of course the Navy gets the lion’s share of the credit, but as you point out President Obama showed sound judgment with the heat turned up. I don’t always agree with you Larry, but I have gained more respect for you today.

      • Ferd Berfle

        LMAO. That neophyte showed no judgment; he just did what he was told.

        • Geo

          Larry Johnson disagrees with you, strongly. as do I sir.

          • Ferd Berfle

            I don’t care what you think, Metro. Your opinion and a buck will get you a cup of coffee.

            • Geo

              your attitude will get you an early onset coma.

              self-induced.

              • Ferd Berfle

                Oh, Metro, I’m sure Larry is just all a-flutter that YOU agree with him. You certainly have a high opinion of yourself–just like the other mouth-breathing, slack-jawed obamabots who come here to stink up the place with over-ripe hogwash, histrionics, and hyperbole.

                Funny you should say coma as you’re apparently in one right now. Small wonder your blather is so trite.

  • Peggy Sue

    Thank you for the additional information, Larry, particularly on the Maersk’s culpability in this incident.

    I’m very glad the situation was resolved and Captain Phillips was safely rescued. As for Obama? He did the right thing and the right thing happened. Our Navy guys did an outstanding job in a dicey situation. It remains to be seen if the President will step up to the plate and take leadership in the larger question of piracy.

    But I’m glad this time things worked out to everyone’s advantage.

    • david

      The problem with the ‘larger situation’, though — what do we do?

      Drain the swamp? Somalia is – and has been for a while now – in anarchy. The central government has zero control over it. We learned the hard way that a small force won’t work. Do we have the stomach for a very large (and expensive and likely rather violent and bloody) nation-building exercise? I’m not asking that in any sort of snarky way — I’m honestly asking the question… Can and should we intervene in Somalia? My guess is no.

      My understanding is that it will take 200+ vessels to adequately cover the endangered sea lanes. That’s an ENORMOUS naval force – the USN as a whole (far and away the most powerful and largest navy in the world) has about 300 active duty warships. We certainly cannot strategically – nor economically – afford to deploy more than 2/3 of our navy to the coast of Somalia.

      To me, it sounds like the best any administration could do here would be some of sort order (and I’m by no means an expert on maritime law… can an administration hand down such an order?) would be to demand that American merchant vessels move at high(er) speeds through the area in question and/or have security forces aboard.

      I don’t see a grand strategic solution here…

      • Peggy Sue

        I don’t know what the solution is, David. But it’s pretty obvious the pirate problem is not going away on its own. Security forces, maybe. International efforts and cooperation, definitely. Invasion? I certainly wouldn’t want to see that.

        So, I guess we wait and see what recommedations come out of the WH and the SOS/SOD.

        But for now at least, we had a good outcome.

        • david

          Oh sure – I bet neither of us have the solution ;-)

          My response was more rhetorical, I guess… sorta hoping Larry might offer his thoughts on the broader matter.

          It sounds to me like he’s saying the answer at this time probably lies with the shipping companies, at least – the best available stopgap.

          I don’t know that anyone, conservative, moderate, liberal, independent has a good solution to the myriad of problems plaguing not just Somalia, but much of the African continent.

          Personally, I’ve been reading a lot of radical thinkers on both sides of the ideological divide – because it does seem pretty clear that conventional thinking isn’t working.

  • DAB

    I was initially under the impression that Obama was directly involved in the action based on the uninformed ramblings of cable reporters.

    It took seasoned reporter, Jim Miklaszewski to clarify the point with his question at the Press Conference that the action was based on a more generalized standing order.

    Overall it appeared to me that many in the MSM were all too anxious to hype the situation in order to bestow greater hero status on the President than was warranted. What else is new?

    • cynic

      I’ve yet to hear anyone “bestowing hero status” on Obama for the outcome of this situation, nor have I noticed anyone in the administration attempting to take undue credit. All I’ve heard is more or less general agreement that the situation was handled in an appropriate fashion.

      • david

        I think the problem here is that many in the vocal opposition — the Glenn Becks, the Newt Gingriches, the Rush Limbaughs, etc — were jumping all over themselves starting last Thursday and continuing right up to the Sunday morning talkers to try to make hay of the situation.

        I actually agree that Obama and the administration are getting too much credit here — I mean, we should EXPECT our government to operate correctly and appropriately.

        BUT – folks like the Becks and the Gingriches were gleefully trying to set up a situation where they could exact maximum PR advantage should Captain Phillips perish, the pirates get away, or something go horribly wrong.

        It’s blown up in their faces.

        The administration seems to have very carefully tried to stay out of the headlines and spotlight on this — which, if you’re deploying a SEAL team with the OK to shoot the pirates as soon as necessary and possible — sounds about right.

        The media may get – and even deserve – some blame for giving the Obama administration too much credit… but if you’re upset about, the main villains you ought to be directing your ire at are the Becks and Gingriches that spent 4 days spouting nonsense.

        The MSM bought their frame hook, line, and sinker — when the frame went to hell, it’s the media’s fault for following it to its logical conclusion.

        • david

          ..errr… not the media’s fault for following it to its logical conclusion.

  • IndieDogg

    I get the desire to seem (or be) “fair and balanced” and talk up Obama with respect to the pirate affair.

    And I appreciate the fact that, had it gone poorly, the P would have taken heat for it.

    But, while you’re explaining the process so well, Larry, and that is both interesting and appreciated, it should be noted that what Barack Obama actually DID with respect to this rescue effort, was to utter two syllables…. O.K.

    He said O.K. when presented with a scenario and recommendation from those in command of the operation. For that he is to be credited. I can’t imagine him having said NOT O.K. under the circumstances but, okay, give him credit for giving commanders a thumbs up.

    Let’s not fall all over ourselves to make it more than it was to show how fair we are. I thought we were fair already.

    The POTUS didn’t don a cape and sweep down to rescue anybody. He did his job and stayed out of the way, let the people in the field handle it, and said O.K. when he needed to.

    Good ups for that. And that’s it.

  • rickya

    Credit is NOT due Obama. Are we to credit the President everytime he knows nothing about a topic or task, just because he stepped aside and let the professionals work??? What very low standards. The fact is, the navy would have gone in sooner had it not been for the timidity of the Obama administration.

    So NO, Larry! Obama doesn’t deserve any credit for this.

    • tminu

      I agree

      this languished for DAYS and Obama’s silence was only broken with indications of his irritation with the matter

      in the meantime a US/Italian tug with 16 crew was captured, added into the now 200 or so crew being held hostage by pirates, they were quoted as saying “we are not afraid of the Americans”

      now pirates know they will have days to negotiate, string hostages with snag charges,
      no…this is NO VICTORY for Obama that is such an insult to those who actually thought and acted, just wait until the emails to families from Navy crew start flying with the truth

    • James

      rickya,

      You’re just as bad as the mindless, race baiting Obots because you unconditionally bash Obama regardless of the outcome.

      There’s a group of people who believe Obama can do no wrong and then there’s another group that you’re part of that Obama can only do wrong.

      Both groups are idiotic.

      Honestly, grow up. Obama will do some things right, some things wrong. When he does the wrong thing, he should be criticized. When he does the right thing, like this situation, he should be given credit. It’s that easy.

      • rickya

        The outcome doesn’t matter when it comes to giving credit!!! If a team wins with one of the members dragging his feet, will you congratulate that team member? Of course not!!!

        The outcome doesn’t matter to the credit being given out! Were the navy seals amazing? Absolutely!!! Were the navy seals heroes? Absolutely!!! Does Obama deserve any credit for the outcome??? NO

        Giving credit where credit is not due is IDIOTIC!!!

    • tillthen

      Once again he was “present”. Nothing more.

  • http://www.ThePresidentialCandidates.us Sarah Palin 2012

    The important thing is what Sarah Palin would have done. I bet she would have bombed that whole stupid country by now. Barry is a weak liberal socialist and I can’t wait until we finally have power again. They’ve been in for only 3 months and it feels like 3 years already! With Palin in charge in 2013 it’ll be like the good old days (bush/cheney) when people actually respected America.

    • kathleen

      every time Sarah speaks we all feel smarter. Hello gents Sarah is not going to do you no matter how hard you wish

    • Benjamin

      “The important thing is what Sarah Palin would have done. I bet she would have bombed that whole stupid country by now.”

      Bomb the whole stupid country? Please. Also, this site gives “No Quarter” to Obama, but you won’t find many people who are nostalgic about the “good ole days” of Bush/Cheney either.

      • http://www.ThePresidentialCandidates.us Sarah Palin 2012

        Are you a liberal socialist? It seems obvious to me that we need Sarah Palin in charge so that we can again be the great country our forefathers created!

        I’m awfully suspicious of anyone who doesn’t wish Bush & Cheney were back in power now that we have this clown Barry in the White House! He’s not even an American. He was born in the country of Africa! Or did you believe the MSM lie about him being from Hawaii?!

        • Benjamin

          I’m a proud Independent who believes this country made a huge mistake by electing the disaster which was George W. Bush – and made an even bigger mistake by electing the impending disaster that is Barack Obama. We have a CRISIS of leadership in this country, at all levels.

        • Peggy Sue

          As I tried to tell you earlier, SP, this site is not a Bush&Co cheerleading squad. Nor is it an Obama lovefest.

          And frankly, I’m suspicious of anyone who has a selective memory about the last long 8 years. Where were you? Locked in a closet.

        • catherine

          This is just an 0bot troll who probably read about Rep. Bachus charges that their are 17 socialists in congress and it has come here to be a nuisance.

          Admin, troll turd pick up in aisle 6.

    • Benjamin

      “The important thing is what Sarah Palin would have done. I bet she would have bombed that whole stupid country by now.”

      Bomb the whole stupid country? Please. Also, this site gives “No Quarter” to Obama, but you won’t find many people here who are nostalgic about the “good ole days” of Bush/Cheney either.

    • tminu

      a troll, nothing more

    • Peggy Sue

      Sarah P said:

      “I bet she would have bombed that whole stupid country by now.”

      Are you on medication?! And if you are indeed a Sarah Palin supporter, this isn’t the kind of help she needs.

      Ludicrous.

      • Julia

        He/she is a troll

        • Pieter B

          SP 2012 is not a troll, it’s a parodist. What — are you all humorectomy survivors?

  • Objective Analysis

    Great thing about America is that we can agree to disagree.

    I disagree with Larry’s assessment for the main reason that we are capable of not letting it be a 4 day stance to use LUCK to get the captain out of the way.

    Captain jumped overboard TWICE. Hello! It should not take Navy Seals 4 days to go to the area and knock these pirates the f*** out.

    • Firlight2012

      It’s my understanding that some newspeople got it wrong initially and the captian did not jump out of the lifeboat a second time thereby giving the Navy Seals an opportunity to act. After the first jump, the captain was tied up in the lifeboat. So, it seems the Navy Seals initiated the shooting when the Bainbridge commander gave the OK and they had sight of the three pirates in the lifeboat.

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/12/navy-seals-kill-pirates-rescue-american-hostage/

  • rickya

    Pirates hostage captain
    Obama: I don’t know how to handle this situation. I’m too busy with the economy.

    One day later…
    General Jones: I think that we need to act. We need your authorization to act on this.

    Obama: Let’s just wait. Maybe this will just go away.
    Axelrod: I agree, Mr. President.

    3 days later…

    General Jones: We need to act on this!!!

    Axelrod: Mr. President, I agree with the General. This will negatively impact your ratings.

    Obama: General Jones, I don’t know how to go about this.

    General Jones: Don’t worry, just step aside and let us do our work. Give us the authorization to act.

    Obama: Okay, if I have to.

    After rescue:

    MSM: Obama deserves all the credit!
    MSM: Obama showed great leadership!

    Are we supposed to give Obama credit for this?

    • cynic

      No, but that’s a fictional account of events.

      I could write a glowing account of what transpired in the Oval Office, but that would also be a fiction.

      • rickya

        How glowing can it get? How can stepping aside and letting the others work be praise worthy?

        • cynic

          That’s pretty why there haven’t actually been glowing accounts.

          Obama did–and didn’t do–to an extent that I consider entirely appropriate to the situation. That’s a simple observation, not glowing praise.

          Nor has anyone in his administration actually suggested he should be wearing laurel leaves–least of all himself.

          • cynic

            That’s pretty much why there haven’t been…

    • Objective Analysis

      No, no credit whatsoever. He did not do a damn thing at all that signified LEADERSHIP.

      He needs to worry about the bow to King Abdullah and whether one of his relatives was one of the pirates killed or held in custody.

    • James

      Wow.

      Because you know exactly what happened!

      You’re being clownish and moronic.

  • Patrick Henry

    Good Read Larry…and you are right…There were many Times that Past Presidents were talked out of taking action by thier State department and other Advisors…such as Ordering CIA to stand down when they could have taken out Bin laden whe3n they had Clear Visuals on Him..and the Orders regan gave our marines in Beruit so they could not defend Themself appropiately…also the Advice to regan not to retaliate against Known Targets in Lebanon afterwards..

    How a president reacts to Advice Makes alot of Difference..Obama gave the Appropiate Standing Orders..and let the military do its job..

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      we have to give the devil his due..
      i agree with Larry on this
      bottom line.alls well that ends well.

  • Objective Analysis

    To fellow bloggers, look Larry Johnson is a feature by the mainstream media on his praise for Obama…

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97HP1180&show_article=1

    The Order probably came from HILLARY CLINTON, madame secretary, instead of BHO b/c SHE WAS THE FIRST ONE WHO DEMONSTRATED LEADERSHIP to state the Piracy was a problem and consulted to find the best course of action.

    Thank God for a madame sec’y b/c it appears that BHO is only worried about swings, naming dogs and disputing whether he bowed to King Abdullah of Saudia Arabia.

  • Credit

    I was just reading “too stupid for network news”, just maybe we all should take a step back and look at all the hipe that the media is feeding us. If its positive then its all Obama’s doing. If its negative then theres no way America’s President would ever do anything like that. Now everyone wants us to swallow this garbage about Obama being the Easter Pirate Hero.
    The real Heros are the military and the captain and the way they handled the whole situation.

  • Objective Analysis

    To Larry Johnson,

    From another military personnel who blogged what happen:

    “Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.

    What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four-day-and-counting standoff between a rag-tag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

    On Friday, April 9, as the standoff reached the end of its third day, I called on President Obama to take action to free the American hostage from his Somali captors. I outlined three possible operational tactics that could be used to do so; number 1 was the following:

    (1) 2 helos, 2 snipers each: pop the [pirates] in their heads, then drop a rescue swimmer to escort the hostage up to one of the choppers. This works best if the hostage is aware of what is happening and can help without getting in the way — say, by hopping overboard as the gunships near, to divert attention and get out of the line of fire.

    (This was written before the USS Bainbridge tethered the life raft to its stern, an action which eliminated the need for helicopters.)

    However, instead of taking direct, decisive action against the rag-tag group of gunmen, the Obama administration dilly-dallied, dawdled, and eschewed any decisiveness whatsoever, even in the face of enemy fire, in hopes that the situation would somehow resolve itself without violence. Thus, the administration sent a clear message to all who would threaten U.S. interests abroad that the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue has no idea how to respond to such situations — and no real willingness to use military force to resolve them.

    Any who think they weren’t watching every minute of this are guilty — at best — of greatly underestimating our enemies.

    Like the crew of the Alabama, which took swift and decisive action to take back their own ship rather than wait for help from Washington that they knew could not be counted on, Captain Phillips took matters into his own hands for the second time in three days, leaping into the water to create a diversion and allowing the NSWC team to eliminate his captors. The result, of course, was the best that could possibly be expected: three pirates dead, the captain unharmed, and a fourth Somali man who had surrendered late Saturday night in custody.”

    Source: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-story-of-a-successful-rescue-and-obamas-attempt-to-claim-credit/2/

  • Tom O’Malley

    Obama handled this brilliantly and the childish comments reveal the true character of Obama haters. Grow up, children.

    • Objective Analysis

      Obamot, please. Get the facts right. It took hime FOUR DAYS to do something and gave 3 orders to do something that should take only 4 hours to complete?

      Go wash your mouth with soap. Please!

      COMMENT FROM LARRY JOHNSON: “Objective Analysis,” you are flat out stupid and have your head so far up your own ass that you can see no light. What is your experience with U.S. special operations forces? I have only worked with them since 1989. I only have 20 years experience in this field. And yes, I hold clearances that give me access to that community. Who are you, true name now, and what is your experience that entitles you to these kinds of stupid-ass, ignorant comments? You are out of touch with reality.

      • cynic

        Four days passed in the hope that the incident would end with Captain Phillips safe and four pirates in US custody. That would have been the best outcome. As 4 days passed, US forces slowly achieved greater control of the situation, to the point where they gained position to respond to a perceived immediate threat to Captain Phillips with speed and precision. A determination to end something like this immediately rather than taking time to assure the outcome would have been totally irresponsible.

        • david

          Absolutely agree.

          I love ’24′, too — but too many people seem to believe the teevee shows they watch and movies they go see are some sort of blueprint for policy.

          It’s funny… at a family gathering Friday night, an uncle that used to be on the CPD SWAT team before retirement, dressed down a cousin of mine who saying precisely that (and believe me… this guy is no liberal). I’m sure this situation was unique from a more ‘mundane’ police hostage situation – but he said the last thing to do in such a situation is try to take quick action simply for the sake of quick action. His exact quote to my cousin was “hotheads like you are the type that get people killed”.

        • inconsiderable wretch

          If the rescue could have been effected one, two, or three days earlier, as some suggest, could we assume that the procrastination was intended to distract attention from other issues or, perhaps, provide the basis for more political puff?

      • ScottVA

        LOL Mr. O’Malley explain to me how Obama handled this brilliantly? Did he single handedly swoop in as Super Barack and rescue the ship captain? HE WAS DAMN lucky the military had capable hands to take care of this situation! That’s about the only thing in this case that was brilliant! And by the way, take your head out of “The Great Ones” ***!

      • BARB

        Larry!

        Why all the profanity? Is it really necessary?

        • UKforDems

          Absolutely it was. This is no time for stupid hatred.

          • http://www.marklevinshow.com Seattle Moss

            Hey UK,
            Nice to see you back in the hunt again!

    • tminu

      Brilliantly? The captain was pert near a guaranteed corpse by virtue of Obama’s missteps. His spokesperson said he was “annoyed and distracted” by the incident at day 3 and when asked about it he told a reporter, “guys we’re talking about housing here”…
      The fact that he authorized action twice makes it amply evident that there was no standing authority in the theater to take proper action and Obama only interfered with limiting the scope of that action, then upgrading the authority to the Navy. They could not fire when Philips jumped overboard the first time, they could not fire even when the Navy ship was fired upon. For daysssssss this went on. The only brilliance was from the Navy Seals and Navy leaders.

      • cynic

        No one said that Obama was annoyed and distracted. Context:

        Democratic strategist Doug Schoen, who worked in the Clinton White House, called the crisis “a real test of national resolve” that the Obama White House and opposition Republicans need to work together to deal with.

        “It’s an annoyance and a distraction,” he said. “On the other hand, if we don’t take this seriously and we don’t stamp it out we will face what other countries are facing, which are repeated acts of piracy.”

        Schoen is not an offical spokeperson for the Obama White House.

        • tminu

          Obama did say when asked about the pirates, “guys we’re talking about housing here”

          sort of like “can I eat my waffles”

  • I’m a Linda too

    LJ, I like your going forward, but I need to ask, WHERE is it, your claim that there was a presidential order by Obama that as you wrote “President Obama did provide very specific direction to the U.S. military forces–i.e., the pirates were not to be allowed to reach land and Captain Phillips was not going to be removed from the lifeboat by the pirates.”?

    I did not hear or see that order, anywhere. The only order I saw was to act if the Captains life was in imenent danger. And to the contrary, they said they were “The intent of the entire time was a deliberate, slow deliberate process to let the negotiation process work itself out to a nonviolent end. ”

    GORTHNEY: I want to make one thing perfectly clear, that the on-scene commander determined that the captain was in imminent danger. If he was not in imminent danger, they were not suppose to take this sort of action, they were suppose to let the negotiation process worked it out. The on-scene commander took it as the captain was imminent danger and then made that decision and he had the authority to make that decision and he had seconds to make that decision.

    Where did you see this other order that the Navy not allow the captain removed from the Life boat or not allow the Pirates to reach their land?

  • UKforDems

    To those disagreeing with Larry for the “crime” of wanting to give the President some credit for a job that thankfully ended up well done. Had it gone wrong, the likes of AlexisM IamFedup would have been dancing round its burning cross saying that it was ashamed to be American. As that is exactly what it was saying on Friday. So let us all hope it does what it says and buggers off, gets an Italian passport and leaves the Country.

    Those on the far right wanted this to fail. Thankfully for the Captain and his family it did not.

    As for stopping the celebrations soon; that is exactly what is neeed. There is already NAVY representation from every major Country and the Pirates sail right through them. There have been 100s of piracy incidents in the last few years because they have been paid. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end.

    • I’m a Linda too

      you wrote” the likes of AlexisM IamFedup would have been dancing round its burning cross saying that it was ashamed to be American.”

      Besides being SICK and now being slanderous…and showing up you will pick any ol name and apparently are yourself getting stressed out, you are also trying to blame others for what you yourself no doubt did.

      Julie…uhm…what are all your names? showing that you have a short fuse and are being seen for your own projecting, you are truly an obot

      • I’m a Linda too

        sorry if an almost dup appears…

    • I’m a Linda too

      you UK DEMs (HA) wrote” the likes of AlexisM IamFedup would have been dancing round its burning cross saying that it was ashamed to be American.”

      Besides being SICK and now being slanderous…and showing up you will pick any ol name and apparently are yourself getting stressed out, you are also trying to blame others for what you yourself no doubt did.

      Julie…uhm…what are all your names? showing that you have a short fuse and are being seen for your own projecting, you are truly an obot.

      • UKforDems

        Really – slanderous? Have you seen its comments? The bigot that is “Iamfedup” was declaring itself to be ashamed to be American, off to get an Italian passport.

        The comments it was making were a disgrace and anyone that is defending it is in the same cesspit.

        • UKforDems

          Larry Johnson has shown more class than many of the bigotbots that post on here. His “surrender monkey post” was a disgrace, buut it revealed many cards. He moved on and he showed political maturity. I will not say that often.

          No President should make a big issue out of a kidnapping – otherwise it WILL go wrong. Have the Republicans forgotten the beheaded British and American citizens killed in Iraq? I have not and will NEVER do so.

          As for AlexisM IamFedUp – you can not slander an anonymous poster. If it wants to come out of the closet – let it go for it. Go on. I challenge it to do so. Stop hiding bigotbot.

          I repeat the comments it made in the last few days were stomach churning. You could tell the bigotbot wanted failure. It was shameful.

          This could have gone horribly wrong in many ways, especially given the cargo of the ship. It did not and it is only right to accept that the right force was deployed – leading to a good outcome. Those decisions are not easy especially when it may put at risk the lives of other Foreign nationals.

          • I’mFedUp

            Wow the Fraud must really be scared…they’re sending in the big gun trolls. I thought this particular Bot had finally been banned? Posting under another IP addie UKForDims?

            You are a slanderous, lying little sicko. Show me where I said I “wanted the Captain to die?” Liar. This is why everyone hates you and you have no credibility here. You make crap up.

            Let me make it clear AGAIN what I said…I SAID I prayed on Easter for the Captain and his family. I SAID what a hero the Captain is for his courage, strength and bravery. I SAID we are grateful for our fine, proud, excellent military. Those shots the SEALS took were remarkable. I don’t, however, think Obama had anything extraordinary to do with it – AND I think he should have done more. My friends and family all feel the same as I do. He’s incompetent and this was no big heroic show. Just a stroke of luck no one died. This is America sicko troll. We are ALLOWED to state our opinions. Get a life.

            It’s great to see how many trolls came out over the pirate incident. As we have seen, Obama’s poll numbers are lower than ever. So, guess what? Out come the trolls. Whoopie.

            • UKforDems

              Sweet FA to do with poll numbers you amusing little bigotbot you. By the way that poll you highlight has the overall approval rating as at around 55-59%. Not bad for a poll that consitently underestimated how well Barack Obama would do in November.

              As for disgusting comments, I guess when you were agreeing that President Obama would do nothing “because he was one of them”, then later saying how this made you ashamed to be American and off to get an Italian passport – you really meant that you loved America and hoped that whatever action the President takes it goes well.

              In which case, maybe you are not a stupid bigotbot after all.

  • http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com Halli Casser-Jayne

    O please. The incident happened on President Obama’s watch. He responded as any president would. It was the Navy Seals who deserve full credit, and the president ought to say as much. He will come out looking for more presidential if he does. Anything less, and I say to President Obama, SPS…self-praise stinks!

    Halli Casser-Jayne
    http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com

  • Carol HAKA

    When I do the job I am paid for, I don’t get credit, I just don’t get fired.

    When I do more than my job, I get credit.

    NO to BO!

    He was doing what is expected of him, nothing extraordinary!

    CAROL HAKA :evil:

  • obamaphobe

    I would love for BO to talk about the great Military he “inherited” from President Bush. BO obviously had nothing to do with it.

  • ExDemInVA

    What I want to know is if Obama was silent on this incident when asked by the Press and then on Saturday during his radio address to the nation said that NO force will be used and that the situation was being handled the 21st Century way through negotiations – when did Obama give the order(s) to shoot?

    So, did he stay back and let the professionals handle it or did he give the orders to shoot? Also, why did he say in his radio message on Saturday that NO force would be used?

    • david

      I don’t remember any such statement in the radio address… Here’s the transcript — to which passage are you referring?

      • ExDemInVA

        Fox local radio news on the hour on Saturday afternoon gave the quote of what Obama said in his radio address.

  • http://Godhelpusall lee M

    Now I would like to see a little aggression from Obama towards the shipper Maersk. Their orders to slow the speed of the ship in order to save fuel and to this end money, almost cost the Captain his life. They should be made to pay for the entire cost of the operation. If it were not for their greed and negligence the ship could have outrun the pirates and this whole episode would not have happened. The company (Maersk) knew they were being hasseled by pirates, why didn’t they tell them to disregard the slow speed order and outrun the pirates? This negligence should cost them so that they mend their ways.

    This is a case where our Navy is the heroe, along with the Captain who offered himself as hostage so that his crew would be safe.

    Now is not the time to point fingers and assess blame. Give the credit to the United States Navy and let’s move on.

    I don’t like Obama. I don’t think he belongs in the White House, but until someone comes along with a way to evict him legally, we are stuck. He bears close watching, and this could be a test of whether he is capable of standing up to his friends and relatives in Africa.

    In the meantime, have Turbo Tax Timmy and his capable minions at Treasury send a whopping bill to Maersk.

  • Ginger

    AP News “

    The wife of sea Capt. Richard Phillips says her husband praised the military for rescuing him and called them the “real heroes” of his ordeal.
  • James

    LOL Larry takes “Objective Analysis” to school. See Update.

  • TeakWoodKite

    Mr. Johnson, thanks for the very informative perspective.

    My only desire is that BO has retained/learned something from this that will be helpful when the next crisis occurs, and it will.

    I neither give him credit nor praise for doing HIS JOB.

    If the mission had turned into an “Ugly Betty”, I would not have blamed him for it either.

    I give the credit to those directly involved. Training is everything, to have three shots on a rolling sea, find their mark, is where the crux of this issue will be.

    If BO does anything, it will be ensure the people we task to do these jobs, have all the training and resources that are humanly possible, at the ready.

    You make mention of warning buoys. It seems like the reach of these thugs needs to be collapsed, so they are unable to be sustained past 50 miles off the coast. At least that would allow for more focused use of our resources.

    One thing that does surprise me is the amount of incidents that have occurred in the Strait of Hormuz.

    One would think Iran would be willing to interdict this and could be an area of co-operation. They are spending a fair piece of change on fast boats so I wondering where they are at with this.

  • http://deleted Buzz Latte

    Teak, you said it best.

    Obama deserves no extra praise for showing up to do his job. Other than, it may be noted, he actually DID show up to do his job, This is not an example of an extraordinary political maneuver or diplomatic coup.

    No extra credit deserved.

    The only heroes here are the Navy and Captain Phillips.

    • KintheNorthwest

      Actually this is the stupiest agrument I’ve seen for a while.
      All during the incident Obama would not and did not say or do anything openly. Like someone said earlier it was mostly the media that seemed to care about the outcome of this event.
      Hey it was the military helped resuced a ship captain from some pirates.

      The incident is over and now Obama wants to take credit just because he is the President…Give me a break…
      Seems like it was less than a week ago Obama was apologizing for being an American and calling American aggrogant, along with bowing to the Saudi King.
      Now which is it Obama??? Are you the proud President of a great nation that saved one of their citizens or are you the ashamed President?

      • TeakwoodKite

        KintheNorthwest, what part is stupid?

        You recall the last time BO opened his mouth? Told everyone “now is a good time to buy’?

        He was castigated for it and rightly so… (thats hard to do when you are already speak falsetto).

        This time he shut his mouth and did the job.

        It does not matter what I think of him, which is best described as the business end of Joe the Plumbers plunger.
        Tell you what is stupid. I heard a caller on the radio saying he was disappointed he voted for BO, because orders where executed that the marauders be taken out. He was of the opinion that we should negotiate with these subhumans.

        I am of the opinion that he should not take any political advantage from the outcome, lest it was beginners luck on his part.
        Mr. Johnson points out the inter-agency shortfalls and this needs to be dealt with Ricky-ticky. The irony is that lines of jurisdiction still plagues this nation after 911.

        Keep in mind, BO FAILED miserably a national security exercise while in the senate.

  • wodiej

    My position hasn’t changed either. All Obama did was give authority to use force that the Navy could have used without his directive order. He gets no praise from me.

    I don’t give a shit what he does, he’s got a LONG list of character flaws and criminal behavior. And I don’t believe he is even legally eligible to be President.

    All praise goes to the brave Captain and the Navy-THAT’S IT.

    • I’mFedUp

      I’m with you WodieJ…I have read and heard what I myself believe to be the real version and I think it’s got nothing to do with Obama. No praise from me. Any time an American has to jump overboard to save himself is not a great day for our POTUS. Never.

    • I’mFedUp

      I’m with you WojieJ…No praise at all.

  • Magic Dog

    As soon as I heard that the pirates had been killed and the captain freed unharmed, I asked myself, “How will the wingnuts try to spin this one against Obama?” There have been some valiant attempts. After all, wingers, you’ve been rooting from failure from Day One.

    Don’t bother to deny it, ’cause everyone knows it. If the mission had gone badly, you’d have been the first to be shouting, “See? We told you Obama was an incompetent wimp.” If the pirates had been killed and the captain had been killed, you’d have said, “See? We told you Obama was incompetent, and this goes to show that the poor wimp had to prove his manhood at all costs.”

    And on and on and on. Keep it up, Republicans. There’s a reason your party identification is the lowest it’s been in more than two decades, and that a thumping majority of the public disapproves of how the Republicans are handling themselves. You people can’t even take yes for an answer.

    I am eagerly looking forward to the 2010 elections. It’s gonna be three strikes and yer out, for quite a while. Bring it on babies. No one deserves a trip to the wilderness more than you do.

    • RunawayRon

      Wingers? Most of the people here are democrats Obot. And Obama deserves zero accolades for this BS. Zero. 2010 will have you lunatics packing for the door. And 2012 will see Obama leaving the White House in shame.

      • Julia

        And why wait til 2012?

      • tminu

        I’m just more jaded from Bush, and Obama is just Bush II…
        he didn’t sound like, didn’t act like he wanted Philips alive and nearly got his wish several times

        if Philips had been murdered, it would have added more jetfuel to the Somalia invasion rumblings I’m hearing on the news and internet

        Somalia aint no prize, it’s just an inroad of Military into Africa, which IS the prize, and Iraq and Afghanistan are great ways to protect the prize, and that’s what the backstory is to all of this contrivance

    • elise

      Magic Dog, I am now going to tell you what I think of you and your opinion. This is all about ego for you. It’s about “cool”. You (pl) have ignored everything Obama has done which has been contrary to what the Democratic Party has stood for since the 1960s. You (pl) have rationalized everything from his refusal to accept public financing to his vote to grant immunity to telecoms collaborating with Bush spying on Americans and his administration’s recent argument in court he has the right to control the Internet. You (pl) have no respect for women or mature perspectives or experience. Your world is shallow and superficial and your decisions are based on appearance. Iraq doesn’t matter to you. You will not understand your rights until you lose them and the rest of us along with you. There are Republicans posting on this site, Democrats and Independents yet you find it necessary to put the same label on anyone who dares to question your view of the world. Since your username doesn’t show up often here, I would even venture to say you would not be here commenting right now if you thought this incident with the pirates presented an unfavorable view of Obama. I was a Democrat until May 31,2008 and I know there were those in my party who wished for failure in Iraq and any other enterprise Bush undertook. I waited eight long years for him and Cheney to leave Washington so some sanity would return to our government only to find fools like you have given us another four years. The great leaders of the modern world have not been judged on their “cool”. Martin Luther King Jr, Mahatmas Gandhi, Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu were and are members of non-white races and their words were not read from a teleprompter written by someone else and full of empty rhetoric. They were beaten, imprisoned and tried by fire because they had the courage to be faithful to their principles. Obama has shown in three short months how easy political compromise is for someone without an inner certainty or deep convictions. I have not and will not criticize his behavior in recent days with respect to the hostage of Capt. Phillips and I rejoice in his safety neither will this alone convince me Obama is a good person or successful president. This occasion did not test him or his ability to govern, but it raises the question of whether or not the incident happened at all because he is perceived to be weak. If this is the case, there will be greater tests coming from stronger foes and we will have four long years for you (pl) to come back to this site to insult the intelligence of those who come here everyday to express their anger and frustration. Or, if he doesn’t live up to your expectations, we will be free to express ourselves without having to worry about an arrogant and insulting pig commenting here.

      • Portia Elizabeth

        Brava, Elise!

    • andrew191

      Magic Dog,
      It is simultaneously entertaining and depressing to read a post like yours. Clowns, jesters, and fools have always had entertaining qualities, and on that level, you’re a certainly a hit. The depressing side is the realization that simply by the mere length of time that you’ve been alive you apparently have the right to vote. I’m sure you effectively cancel out the vote of an intelligent person, and that’s a shame.

      Nevertheless, it is still quite a spectacle to observe people like you trying to invest and immerse themselves into the shallow pond that is 0bama. While you may be hoping for some sort of full body Baptism, all you’ll end up with is a dampening of your britches that will give you the appearence of having pee’d in your pants. You’ld Better start working on an excuse for that likely outcome.

  • Patrick Henry

    Larry did not say Obama was a “HERO”…and Larry and Obama are giving the Military the same Credit you all are..

    outright hatred of President Obama has no place here..The Greatest Failure to Act by a President in my Opinion was when President G.W. Bush and Condi Rice and Government attorneys Failed to Act against the 9/11 hijackers when the FBI Agents were literally begging the administration for Authorization to Investigate the terrorists when they were still in Flight Schools..

    THAT authorization WOULD have Prevented the hijackings and 9/11 from Happening..Bush was afraid of “Profiling” Arabs and Muslims..

    Larry was among the First Intel Professionals to Stand up against the Bush administrations Invasion of Iraq..But He was RIGHT..

    Now…when Larry is Right to Pubically Give credit to Obama for actually following Proper proceedure over this Pirate Hijacking Incident..(no matter How much it May Pain him to do so.).so that the military could do its JOB..alllIsee is Irrational and hateful Comments..

    Larry is the Professional here…He has the Background and Experience to know what he is Talking BOUT ..and he has the GUTS . to over-ride his personal Feelings and make an Objective Analysis of the Pirate Situation..

    The terrorists were not Stopped Pre 9/11 because BUSH Failed to Act..or Issue Orders ..

    The Pirate sisuation DID get Resolved because President Obama gave the RIGHT Standing orders so the military could IMMEDIATELY ACT..up to and Including using Deadly FORCE..

    I don’t trust Obama either..I was a Hillary delegate..but in This case..President obama did the Right thing..as President..SITUATION RESOLVED..under STANDING Orders from President Obama..

    • elise

      Patrick, I also believe it’s a little silly not to give credit to Obama for the successful rescue of Capt. Phillips even though I didn’t vote for him and have a very low opinion of him. But I don’t believe his actions in this case prove he is capable of responding or making decisions on larger issues. From Larry’s description, there was a plan in place to deal with this emergency and I think the fact these pirates believed they could attack a ship flying the flag of the US has something to do with a perceived weakness and if these relatively unsophisticated people see this, it’s a sure thing the leaders of other large countries see the same thing. I’ll give praise where it’s due and hope there isn’t a situation which actually requires a decisive action which doesn’t have a blueprint in place.

  • Magic Dog

    p.s.: I especially love the comments about how Obama deserves no credit at all. Wingnuts, did you expect him to put on a wetsuit and a pair of flippers and rescue the captain himself?

    Obama performed well. He shut up about it in public, and behind the scenes he was closely involved. He gave succinct orders that the pirates not be permitted to reach land, and that the captain not be killed. And then he let the military do its job.

    And still, the crazies complain. Keep up it, Republicans, because America is laughing at you every time you open your mouths.

    • http://deleted Buzz Latte

      Actually Magic Dog -

      America is laughing at you and your obot leader.

      Http://www.rasmussenreports.com

      Presidential Tracking Poll (since obots love polls), posted six hours ago.

      President Obama has a plus 2% differential approval rating – his WORST since taking office. And this is including the “miracle” he just pulled off by actually doing his job.

      Reality=obots as water=wicked witch of the west!

      • http://deleted Buzz Latte

        Ah let’s link that of the obots just to be nice…

        http://www.rasmussenreports.com

        • I’mFedUp

          Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
          Monday, April 13, 2009

          The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 34% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-two percent (32%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of +2. That matches his lowest total to date (see trends).

  • KintheNorthwest

    I have to give credit, they do know how to entertain…and put on a good show. But I think we all knew that…Michelle and Obama do like the limelight

  • Baba Rum Raisin

    OK, let’s stop Rochambo’ing with Obama and kick Maersk in the nads for awhile.

    Reducing to 14 KTS in that area is probably negligent in fact, if not at law.

    And, quite frankly, Maersk is making a whole GANG of GringoBucks on the Food Aid cargoes.

    A certain portion (percentage of tonnage) of US-sourced food aid cargoes is reserved for US-flag vessels. And the terms of these charters can be VERY generous. The commercial term is CARGO PREFERENCE.

    As an example: in 19XX I sailed on a US-flag ship carrying a food aid cargo to a West African country. The cargo was approximately 20,500 tons.

    Prevailing world price to haul that cargo in a non-US ship at the time the charter was agreed to was US$21.00/ton.

    Uncle Sam paid in excess of US$140/ton for that ride.

    That’s a a “spiff” of US$2,439,500 more than World Price for the cargo to ride under the Stars and Stripes.

    (And that was one way. We picked up about 20,000 tons of Arabica bean coffee in another Garden Spot
    on the back-haul. Ships, like planes, trucks and trains, don’t make any money running empty one way!)

    Now, I’m not kicking too much. That trip paid me in excess of $512/day, including Vacation and Overtime for that little tour of the Third World for a job that would have paid an Indian or Pakistani about $1500/month. That trickled down to my mortgage holder, Jim Beam, Arco, Kroger, Allstate, several strippers and my dentist, who, I am sure, all disposed of their cut in an All-American fashion.

    But, food aid cargoes are a sweet little Sugar Titty for those bold enough to seek them out.

    A.P. Moeller (parent of Maersk) does not run a charity nor operate ships for a hobby.

    Nonetheless, there may be an element of calculated business risk in reducing speed to save fuel versus shelling out ransom/tribute to local ying-yangs.

    And, it IS possible for pirates to board at speeds exceeding 15KT, but to do so requires that the target vessel have restricted maneuverability. We call it “P.I. Rope Trick.”

    The ship on which I sailed that was boarded in P.I. waters was forbidden to carry small arms. However, the Captain (One of the GREAT characters of my experience) shipped two pallets of 8″x8″x8″ concrete blocks…you may call them “cinder blocks”… on deck.

    Wherever the pirates’ grapple came aboard and snagged the rail, we would run like hell to that point and start heaving concrete blocks on their pointy little heads.

    Even if you missed the miscreants, a 34LB concrete block falling 25-40 feet through the bottoms of their shitty little boats tended to shift the focus of their attention.

    Not so dramatic as, say, boiling oil or .50 cals, but equally effective.

    On two separate occasions the Bosun hooked the forward crane to the pirates’ line and plucked their boats clear out of the water, scattering pirates, their gear and their guns all over creation.

    Sharks gotta eat, too.

    We pulled into a US Navy dock in Singapore once with a 30 foot mahogany pirate boat hanging from the forward crane, just to yank the Navy’s chain.

    We DID get a NastyGram from the Office for that one, but we all had our pictures taken with the pirate boat on the cable, like rich New Yorkers in Florida posing on the dock with a sailfish on a hook.

    And I STILL have a nice Yahama outboard in my garage that USED to grace the transom of Filipino pirate skiff.

    Macabre fun, for sure, but, as that Captain (ex-UDT) used to say, “Don’t growl if ya can’t BITE!”

    • TeakwoodKite

      Picture please? :)

    • Portia Elizabeth

      What a story! Amazing! Thanks for sharing that episode. The closets I’ve ever come to piracy was when my ex used to copy DVDs.

  • AX10

    I agree with you on this one Larry.
    Obama is also taking a more balanced approach to our defense policy as it relates to terrorism and military action in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afganistan (also aside from his comments in Turkey).
    Domestic policy is another matter.
    I still do not approve of his overall economic policies, especially the bank bailouts.

  • EWard

    Larry

    If the Captain had died during the rescue, the on-sight military commander that gave the go-ahead to shoot would have been blamed and not Obama.

    I agree with the other NQ posters, last week Obama apologizes for America’s foreign policy and this week he’s getting false praise for “allowing” the military to do their job and protect an American citizen.

    It’s hard to give credit to a serial liar.

  • http://www.marklevinshow.com Seattle Moss

    I guess I better put my two cents in…

    The captain is true American hero

    The navy seals showed their skill and bravery

    The white house as is traditional planned for both outcomes as it had enormous political ramifications

    Obama can take the credit…Keeping quite probably delayed the pirates from killing the captain and hurting the administration.

    The United States needs to give notice that we intend to destroy the pirates capacity to operate and then after 24 hours bomb the heck out of their staging positions.
    We then have to change shipping laws where no ransom will be given to pirates or we will not except cargo.
    Then we need to bomb the pirate camps again as a cleanup measure.

    Obama needs to fix the Somali pirate problem once and for all and show the world we are still tough..

    If Obama does this then It might mute my criticism of his foreign policy.

  • TeakwoodKite

    ships exiting Somali waters stopped and searched

    What is being done to identify the smaller “motherships” that sail from the Somalian coast to Yemen, Masqat Oman ,Karachi, Mumbia route?

  • Lisabona

    We should give 0bama credit. A well deserve credit, because as everybody knows he has no any military experience whatsoever, but , he listen to our military professionals who knew what they have to do. Doing this, everything ended up well and everybody is happy, specially the captain and his family.

  • http://liberalrapture.com/ John (from Liberal Rapture)

    I admit to little patience on this – but I have to say: I am already sick of the “Obama did good” meme. Okay. We get it. He shut his mouth and let the grown ups do the job. This is hardly worth much more than a passing “good on ya”.

    Continuing to promote this point is dishonest and gives Obama a gravitas he still does not have. All it means is that he’s smart enough to know what is “above his pay grade”. A good trait.

    Base on his own goals his trip to Europe was a failure, his economic policies are destructive and foolish, the move RIGHT past Bush on the invasions of privacy is appalling…

    I, too. and glad it turned out well for the Americans. But it hardly is worth another moment.

    • I’mFedUp

      This is hardly worth much more than a passing “good on ya”.

      +1

    • Marco Duato

      Continuing to promote this point is dishonest and gives Obama a gravitas he still does not have.

      Are you calling Larry dishonest?

  • dfp21

    The liberals seem desperate to portray their Chicago machine politico as a mastermind. He may be a political genius, but a military field tactical operator? The liberals are embarrassing themselves. It’s not obvious that Obama involved himself in the situation at all. (Congratulations. You didn’t fuck up anything. Now keep your hands off my children’s money.) It is obvious that instantaneous decisions were made in the field on the spot. And the fictional Obama command decisions are nowhere to be found in the record.

  • rjj

    “That would be nuts,” said Larry Johnson,

    Quote is from a different thread. I really, really appreciate LJ’s concise no bullshit way of putting things. It is just what is needed.

  • rjj

    By the way, how many times did CorpsMedia repeat (or ask about) the hungry quote.

  • Sassy

    Apparently the reprieve was short-lived…I heard this morning that 3 more ships were boarded by pirates last night.
    We have enough trouble to deal with already, and now we are facing this escalation.
    Those who are running these ships need to listen up and gear up for their own protection.
    I’m proud of the actions which lead to success, but it certainly had to be costly, and we still have Iraq and Afghanistan to complete in some fashion.

  • susan h

    Someone astute pointed out that the Navy Seals who acted superbly were trained on George Bush’s watch. He was willing to spend the money needed for security purposes and this kind of ongoing training costs lots and lots of our taxpayer money. Now I see how well worth it this is (as a lifelong democrat I may have thought excessive military training was a waste of time and money – not any more). Obama however, wants to cut this kind of spending and lessen the force of our navy vessels around the world. Coupled with sending these ships out without arms and ways to protect themselves, this is a disaster in the making.

    If you feel you have to give Obama some credit, go ahead and so do. Obama says he will work to stop piracy in the area. He usually makes a statement of some kind just as he is planning to do just the opposite. We’ll see.

  • rickya

    James,

    The outcome doesn’t matter when it comes to giving credit!!! If a team wins with one of the members dragging his feet, will you congratulate that team member? Of course not!!!

    The outcome doesn’t matter to the credit being given out! Were the navy seals amazing? Absolutely!!! Were the navy seals heroes? Absolutely!!! Does Obama deserve any credit for the outcome??? NO

    Giving credit to Obama where no credit is due IS IDIOTIC!!!

  • MrX

    Larry, sorry, but this went on for days. You don’t let things like this go on for days. Were they singing Kumabaya? Five days negotiating with priates? WTF? From all reports, it wasn’t Obama that wanted to end it, it was the Navy who went in and finished it. You even quoted it.

    Sorry, but you fail Larry. What did you expect? that Obama would NOT authorize the operation? C’mon. You can’t congratulate someone for doing the minimum.

    While defending the rescue operation, a navy spokesman acknowledged that the incident might increase the threat from pirates, whose mounting attacks on shipping have been relatively bloodless to date.

  • http://florasteele.blogspot.com fsteele

    A quick bottom line, please? Did Obama give the military ALL the authorizations they asked for, immediately, each time?

    Or did he withhold some powers they wanted, or limit their options?

  • JustMe~~

    Larry you explain very well…..
    I salute the Seals on the great way they brought an American safely home…..TAHNK YOU!

    THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE A GREAT MILITARY~~

    I am sure it makes EVERYONE PROUD to be an AMERICAN!!

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