He was chosen by 25 year olds who shouted down everyone else in very un-Democratic caucuses

Umm I live in North Dakota which is in your words very Un-Democratic and I must say that most of the people who voted were older than I was and I am 25 and obama won with 65%.

Also a college prof who studies elections said that if these “Un-Democratic” caucuses were run as regular voting races then Obama would have come out with a larger vote.

I dont know whats so bad about Caucuses I mean besides waiting in line for 4 min and taking anouther 5 min to figure out the area where I voted it didnt take me for than 13 min to get my vote in and be back in the parking lot.

I’m sorry but the whole argument that clintion is making that caucuses is Un-Democratic is stuipid.

Its funny that Clinton say we shouldnt disenfranchise FL and Mich and let them vote. Yet Clintion will disenfranchise Caucuse states because she didnt win them.

I’m just voicing my shock and horror at the disturbing in-party slash/burn tactics I see at play here. So many here claim to be “true” Democrats, yet their unflinching loyalty to a single candidate tells a different story. For true Democrats, party loyalty should supercede all else.

If the goal truly is to put a Democrat in the White House, this is the wrong way to do it. It’s one thing to sell your candidate on his/her best qualitites, and another to try and tear down the other with any and every tool at hand. Personally I find it difficult to stomach that people who consider themselves “The True Democrats” are willing to excuse racist remarks made by a Republican. That is truly beyond the pale.

One last point — do you realize that if you don’t vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is, you will become one of those “people like you” who voted for Nader in 2000? Whether you agreed with their vote is irrelevant, those people were lodging their complaints as well.

I have voted as a Democrat in every election since I became eligible in 1988. I will not cast a vote for the “lesser of two evils”. I saw people like you, Arianna Huffington, Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich, Sam Sedar, etc. disparage Al Gore in 2000 and vote Nadar. Now these self-same appointed members of the pundit-ocracy are telling me to come together for the good of the party and the country.

This is my time to lodge a complaint!

Or wait, is your argument that the people who voted for Obama aren’t really Democrats? That the true “core constituency” of the party are by definition Hillary supporters? Are you really trying to make that argument? If so, then I’m afraid I’m not the one who is living in a bubble.

My question still stands, but now I will pose it directly to you: IF Obama is chosen as the nominee for the Democratic Party, what will you do? Will you shed your anger and rage and hatred and vote for him? Or do you think McCain’s values are a better match for the core constituency of the Democratic Party?

your online name is priceless, for you are indeed living in a bubble!

As for your argument that we should get behind Senator Obama because “he has been selected by members or your own party”, I have some swamp land in the Florida Everglades you might wish to purchase for a low, low price.

Obama was not chosen by the core constituency of this party. He was chosen by “Democrat’s for a Day” that will vote Republican in the GE. He was chosen by 25 year olds who shouted down everyone else in very un-Democratic caucuses. He has carried states that this party will not carry in a GE matchup with Senator McCain. We will not carry Idaho, Nebraska, Virginia, South Carolina, Kansas, Louisiana, or Georgia. We can carry Tennessee, Arkansas, Florida, W. Virginia, and Kentucky provided that Senator Clinton is our party nominee. Otherwise, the blow of defeat will be grander than it was on the night McGovern got his ass handed to him by Nixon!

Are you prepared for that? You hate him so much, how on earth will you ever be able to pull it off?

I mean you all post like your hearts belong to the democratic party but then if HIllary doesnt win you dont mind setting the party on fire just because she doesnt get the nod.

Honestly if you believe that Clintions polocies are way better than McCains then during the elctions you should vote Obama if he gets the nod because honsetly on polocy they are both pretty much have the same stances on issues.

Obama/Clintion are on a totally different page than McCain. So if Clintion looses then why vote for someone who has totally different views than your own.

I mean you guys should be pumping up the team and not a player.

Where were you people last summer when these rules were being written? Was anybody bitching about this then? Why did this suddenly emerge as a huge problem a couple months ago, when anybody with a brain could have forseen this being problematic a year ago?

Could it possibly be that one year ago, Hillary had been all but crowned the victor, with no worthy opponents in sight?

You all are working overtime to destroy Obama at the expense of the party you claim to belong to — blaming FL and MI on him; saying he’s unelectable; trying to “re-claim” the party from the alleged elitist intruders who want to take it from you; defending heinously racist remarks… all this just from the last few days!

Do you want the Dems to win in November or not? And do you really believe in the things you say, or is that just a smokescreen?

Are we Democrates or are we Republican’s. When the situation changes, the rules that apply to the situation must adapt and change as well. If not, then we are like the Republican’s, who will not deviate once they set down a path; no matter how costly or bone-headed the action may be!

My God, I never thought I would hear supposed “progressives” parrot the right-wing talking point, “…but the rules”, in all my days!!

Woe Is He
by John B. Judis

Barack Obama’s going to be the bitter one at the end of this.

April 15, 2008

Some liberal commentators have downplayed the effect of Barack Obama’s fundraising speech at a San Francisco fundraiser last week. But that’s wishful thinking. Along with the revelations about Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright, his remarks in San Francisco will haunt him not only in the upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Kentucky, and West Virginia, but also in the general election against John McCain, assuming he gets the Democratic nomination.

To win in November, a Democratic presidential candidate has to carry most of the industrial heartland states that stretch from Pennsylvania to Missouri. That becomes even more imperative if a Democrat can’t carry Florida–and because of his relative weakness in South Florida, Obama is unlikely to do so against McCain. Ruy Teixeira and I have calculated that in the heartland states, a Democratic presidential candidate has to win from 45 to 48 percent of the white working class vote. In some states, like West Virginia and Kentucky, the percentage is well over a majority.

Some Democrats insist that Obama need not worry about these states because he will be able to make up for a defeat in Ohio or even Pennsylvania with a victory in Virginia or Colorado. But in Virginia, McCain will be able to draw upon coastal suburbanites closely tied to the military. These voters backed Democrats like Chuck Robb and Jim Webb, who are both veterans, but they may not go for Obama. And in the Southwest, McCain will be able to challenge Obama among Hispanics. So to win in November, Obama will have to win almost all of these heartland states. Which is a problem, because even before he uttered his infamous words about these voters “clinging” to guns, religion, abortion, and fears about free trade, Obama looked vulnerable in the region. A look at the white working class’s relationship with earlier Democratic candidates underscores the various reasons why.

John B. Judis is a senior editor at The New Republic and a Visiting Scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

http://www.tnr.com/environmentenergy/story.html?id=bf08a566-7c44-446a-aa34-7889b0f24b5a

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