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Obama Asked About William Ayers in Tonight’s Debate [Video Update]

Special thanks to C.S. for the fast video production.

Tonight, in the Pennsylvania debate less than one week before the Keystone State’s primary, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked Barack Obama about his long relationship with terrorist William Ayers — who has admitted setting a bomb in the Pentagon and whose Weather Underground girlfriend was killed while making bombs. (Finally, Barack Obama is beginning to be asked about these worrisome relationships of long standing.)

To this day, William Ayers expresses no regret. Ayers told a New York Times reporter, in an interview published on September 11, 2001, that ”I don’t regret setting bombs.” He said, ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”

Obama’s long associations include Ayers’ sponsorship, contributions and fund-raising work for several of Obama’s campaigns, as well as their joint membership on the board of the Woods Foundation. The two men have also appeared together on panels.

Both Barack Obama and William Ayers — sitting together on the Woods Fund board — “voted to donate $75,000 of the largesse they controlled to the Arab American Action Network.”

The AAAN was “co-founded by Rashid Khalidi, a longtime supporter of Palestinian ‘resistance’ attacks against Israel,” and widely considered himself to be a dangerous radical, according to an opinion piece on April 11, 2008 at CBS News.

(You can learn much more about Rashid Khalidi and his connections to Barack Obama by reading Larry Johnson’s articles here at No Quarter.)

The most pressing problem for the Democratic party is to consider the effect of Barack Obama’s longtime relationship with William Ayers in a general election contest. Larry Johnson spoke to the Times UK about what the GOP and its 527s will do with such proven information:

Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at the CIA said: “They’re going to kill him with this. The guy is an unrepentant terrorist, so please, Barack Obama, explain why you aligned yourself with him. It is a fundamental question of judgment. By the time he [Obama] was hanging around with Ayers, his position was well known. He [Ayers] was not a freedom fighter; he belonged to a violent terrorist group.”

The other day, Jake Tapper, a reporter for ABC News, and Ben Smith of The Politico posted new stories on Obama’s longtime relationship with the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers and his wife Bernardine Dohrn, former members of the violent Weather Underground. Ayers and Obama have been associated on boards since 1995 and Ayers has helped raised funds for Obama’s many political campaigns, even hosting a fundraiser at his home.

Larry Johnson and I have written extensively here about William Ayers. Two of our recent stories are “Obama Tries to Hide Ayers Tie” (by Larry) and in “Hannity: Like a Dog With a Bone” (by me). It’s important to note that Ben Smith, to his credit, has tracked the story, more than the rest of the MSM, at Politico.com.

In the aptly-named “Stormy Weather,” Jake Tapper writes about Senator Obama’s relationship with the Weather Underground terrorist:

Perhaps you think this [the Ayers/Obama relationship] is all a silly political smear.

But should Obama get the nomination, what will moderate and swing voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Missouri think of it all? Will they think Obama is able to transcend partisan divisions if he’s been supported by Ayres?

The proverbial Republican attack machine is chugging along on this — see THIS CLIP from last night’s "Hannity & Colmes" on Fox News, featuring Karl Rove making much hay out of this connection …”

Here is the clip to which Tapper refers, and he is correct to point to its information as providing just the kind of attacks that the Republicans and 527 groups will exploit against Barack Obama:

Ah, there’s the rub. As I wrote earlier today, “It’s About the Electability, Stupid.”

So why would a politician like Obama, who’s had presidential aspirations for a long time, risk his future by associating with William Ayers?

Here’s one possible reason, probably unlikely, but worth noting — it’s hip: Believe it or not, but it may be considered cool — in some of the urbane, elite, moneyed salons of large cities like Chicago — to entertain and mingle with radicals like William Ayers. There’s a certain chic in consorting with radicals who have such frightening violent pasts, who made bombs, who robbed, who secreted away huge caches of weapons that they trained themselves to use for the “revolution” to come, and who consorted with other violent radicals like the Black Panthers. There’s a thrill in being around a rich intellectual professor who has actually bombed the Pentagon!

Ah, but it’s fatal to a national political career: Barack Obama has mostly only run political campaigns in the safe environs of Chicago. Once they learn about his radical associates, the bedrock folks in smaller cities and towns will be horrified. They will be appalled that Barack Obama would consort repeatedly, and take campaign contributions from, this terrorist. Especially a terrorist who — in an interview published on September 11, 2001 (oh, the irony in that date) — told the New York Times that ”I don’t regret setting bombs.” He said, ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”

The New York Times story — published unbelievably on the newspaper’s front page on that fateful, historic and horrific day — was titled, “No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen.”

More seriously, it could well be that Barack Obama has an affinity with the politics of William Ayers, Rashid Khalidi, and other left radicals. There is much about this man that we do not know. (See Larry Johnson’s story on April 15, “Can We Fill the Holes in Barack’s Story?“) However, we do know that he has a pattern of relationships with far-left radicals for decades, and that is cause for concern.

Here is more background from Jake Tapper that I include because it is important to note that the mainstream media, such as ABC News, are reporting this information and — as we saw in the ABC News debate tonight — asking questions about these disturbing relationships:

As celebrated members of the Chicago liberal world, Ayres and Obama have some connections.

They served on a board together when Obama was a state senator. Ayres donated $200 to Obama’s campaign in 2001. They sat on a panel together in 2002 called "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis." Obama went to Ayres and Dohrn’s home in 1995 to be introduced to some of the more influential liberals in the area by the state senator he was preparing to succeed, Alice Palmer.

(Palmer, who changed her mind about not running for reelection for her state senate seat after being defeated in a US House race, was later unable to get on the ballot because Obama challenged her petitions to do so, in some hardball Chicago-style politics, a whole other interesting story.)

Ayers only escaped a long prison sentence — despite his admissions to bombing the Pentagon and other crimes — because his extremely wealthy father was able to buy him the best legal team which found improprieties in FBI investigations.

Next is a video from Fox News’s Hannity America on Sunday night; his guests included Lannie Davis, a Clinton surrogate who condemned the acts of William Ayers. Lannie Davis noted that, during those same years, he was a peaceful protestor against the Vietnam War, as were nearly all who opposed that war. Only a few went to the violent extremes that William Ayers chose.

Here is a highly informative section of the April 11th op-ed piece published at CBS News and the National Review Online, “The Bad Company of Barack Obama“:

[First, there's a lengthy list of the crimes in which William Ayers participated -- all acts of terrorism.]

Barack Obama made a joint appearance with Bill Ayers in 1997 at a University of Chicago panel on the outrage of treating juvenile criminals as if they were, well, criminals. Obama apologists say, “So what? People appear with other people all the time.” Nice try. This panel was orchestrated by none other than Michelle Obama, then an Associate Dean of Student Services. Ayers didn’t happen to be there — he was invited by the Obamas to educate students on the question before the house: “Should a Child Ever Be Called a ‘Super Predator?’”

And here’s how the University’s press release chose to describe this would-be super predator:

William Ayers, author of A Kind and Just Parent: The Children of Juvenile Court (Beacon Press, 1997), says “We should call a child a child. A 13-year-old who picks up a gun isn’t suddenly an adult. We have to ask other questions: How did he get the gun? Where did it come from?”

Ayers, who spent a year observing the Cook County Temporary Juvenile Detention Center in Chicago, is one of four panelists who will speak on juvenile justice[.]

The other panelists included “Illinois State Sen. Barack Obama … who is working to block proposed legislation that would throw more juvenile offenders into the adult system.” The goal was to promote change, to actuate the vision of “Chicago reformer” Jane Addams, who’d sought “the establishment of a separate court system for children which would act like a ‘kind and just parent’ for children in crisis.” Never mind the crises they’d caused the victims of their wanton murders and mayhem — the fault for those, surely, was our downright mean society.

The Ayers and Obama [relationship], meantime, kept up. There was yet another panel in 2002, Obama and Ayers waxing on “Intellectuals in Times of Crisis.” Dohrn, too, was asked to weigh in, on a panel addressing the question, “Why Do Ideas Matter?” I’m sure it was, er, wild.

RASHID KHALIDI

In the interim, Ayers and Obama had teamed up for three years on the board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago charitable organization. Together, they voted to donate $75,000 of the largesse they controlled to the Arab American Action Network. The AAAN was co-founded by Rashid Khalidi, a longtime supporter of Palestinian “resistance” attacks against Israel, which he openly regards as a racist, apartheid state. Despite considerable evidence to the contrary, Khalidi peremptorily denies having been a PLO operative or having directed its official press agency for six years (from 1976 to 1982). There can be no gainsaying, though, that he was an influential apologist for Yasser Arafat, the terror master who spawned two Intifadas and ordered the murder of American diplomats.

In the mean, besotted United States, of course, being a terrorist, a terror apologist, or simply raging at the machine qualifies one for a cushy academic soapbox. Thus did Khalidi eventually land on his feet at the University of Chicago, where he ran in the same circles as Associate Dean Michelle Obama, Law Professor Barack Obama, University of Illinois-Chicago Education Professor Bill Ayers, and Northwestern Law Professor Bernadine Dohrn (who prepared for a career in instructing future officers of the court with a stint in federal prison for flouting a judge’s order that she testify in a grand jury investigation into the Weathermen’s infamous Brinks robbery-murders).

For Khalidi, though, greener pastures called: the opportunity to become a professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University. There, he now directs Edward Said’s legacy: Columbia’s notoriously Israel-bashing Middle East Institute. …

As soon as the video is available, we will add this portion of the debate to this story. Our video whiz C.S. is already making a clip, I was able to confirm with him by telephone.

  • Patrick Henry

    MSNBC Is saying hillary won, Obama was off his game and the Ayers Issue is big..and rattled obama..

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Woah. I am amazed. Which MSNBC host said that?

      • Patrick Henry

        It was just at the beginning of Obermann just now..starting at 7.00PM…

      • mercey

        The MSNBC host who said such…..

        FINAL DEBATE THOUGHTS
        April 16, 2008
        Mark Murray
        http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/04/16/905215.aspx

        …”In the first 40 minutes of the debate, most of the questioning was on Obama’s negatives (except for a lone Bosnia-sniper question to Clinton) and that’s what helped create what was a near disastrous performance by Obama in those first 40 minutes. He was weak in a lot of his answers on his personal negatives. “…”Overall, with the spotlight on him very bright, Obama didn’t step up. He got rattled early on and never picked his game back up. “…

        I watched the analysis on CNN, and boy did they have a different take. CNN has really become so biased that I can hardly watch anyone on there, other than Lou Dobbs and sometime Glenn Beck because Glenn Beck makes me laugh, he can be so acerbic, and the one thing Glenn does do well is his nailing the governmental economic crisis (gov debt, social security) although I do not agree with most of his ideas or thought processes, and conclusions in relation to the majority of his material.

        As to the poll disparity, and that is what it is…. a large disparity..

        PA: Is Clinton-Obama more like Rendell-Fisher? More like Specter-Hoeffel? Or more like Bush-Kerry?
        SurveyUSA Breaking News
        SurveyUSA, (15 Apr 2008)
        http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/04/14/pa-is-clinton-obama-more-like-rendell-fisher-more-like-specter-hoeffel-or-more-like-bush-kerry/

        “There is disagreement among pollsters in Pennsylvania. “…

        SurveyUSA Election Poll #13711
        SurveyUSA, (15 Apr 2008)
        http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=8664c40b-fd41-4ff0-9a55-655afea1a9bf

        “One Week to PA Democratic Primary, Clinton Still Atop Obama By Double Digits: In a Democratic Primary in Pennsylvania today, 04/15/08, one week to the vote, Hillary Clinton remains comfortably atop Barack Obama, 54% to 40%, according to SurveyUSA’s 4th tracking poll conducted exclusively for WCAU-TV Philadelphia, KDKA-TV Pittsburgh, WHP-TV Harrisburg, and WNEP-TV Scranton. “…

        If one goes to RealPolitics one can find all the polls, supposedly, anyhow……

        Of course, any poll can be skewed by the pollster only polling in certain demographic areas. All those statistics are compiled in public record databases such as whether a county or district is high or low income, democrat or republican, racial indices…..and so forth…

    • Rochell

      I’m a juvenile justice student at San Jose State University, a college in Northern California. I’ve watched the movie about The Weather Underground and I’m currently reading Ayer’s book. My opinion about this whole situation is that Ayer’s is coming out to seem like a “bad guy” when in fact the negative comments that are being made about him are completely exaggerated.

      First and foremost, the only people that have died due to the bombings committed by the Weather Underground were those within their own protest group, which occurred while they were making bombs in their own townhouse. Second, no other person has died because of any of the bombings they have committed. Third, the Weather Underground consistently made sure that there were no body present at the buildings while they set the bombs off.

      The reasons for their actions were simple, they wanted to get their voice out and they wanted to be heard. What did peaceful protesting do in the 1960′s-1970′s? NOTHING! That’s because no one listened until anything serious happened. This is what they feel was the right thing to do to have their voice heard.

      So why are these people being looked at as a group of terrorists who bombed and killed so many people?! This is a lie and people should look into the subject more before they come to conclusions or make false comments.

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        I was on a large college campus when Ayers and his crackpots bombed their way thru America. Reading a book is not the same as being there. This was NOT a romantic time and The Weather Underground literally destroyed the peace movement. I agree that their reasons for doing what they did were simple. They were drugged up nutcases who got kicks out of blowing things up. Bernardine Dohrn thought that the Manson family sticking forks into dead people was very “Far Out’. You do NOT kill in order to prove a point that kiling is not a good thing. These people wreaked absolute havoc upon America and to even suggest that Ayers was a “good guy” is beyond comprehension for any of us who Remember.

        • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

          I was wondering if Bill mentioned in his book that he thought it was a good idea to kill your parents…?

      • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

        First and foremost, the only people that have died due to the bombings committed by the Weather Underground were those within their own protest group,

        This is absolutely not true. A police officer was killed in one of their precinct bombings. Three officers were killed in the Brinks robbery and one man was paralyzed. The only ones who deserved to be killed where the savages in the Underground who were preparing bombs crammed with nails, which they planned to set off at a military officers event. They blew themselves up and got their own savage butts riddle with their own bomb nails. People cheered that day.

        • Rochell

          If it was the case that innocent people were killed because of their bombings, when why are they not in jail right now? Even after the Weather Underground turned themselves in, they were not convicted for any felonies and were not jailed for the “crimes” that they’ve committed.

          Compare this to the other bombings, like the Oklahoma City bombing with Timothy McVeigh who was sentenced to the death penalty. If the Weather Underground were so “bad” as the media have portrayed them to be, then why did they not convicted as criminals when they turned themselves in?

        • Rochell

          Just a correction. David Gilbert did go to jail for a bank robbery where people were killed, but, THIS WAS AFTER THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND. This occurred with another revolutionary group and was not affiliated with the weather underground.

  • coral

    It’s obvious that Stephanopolis is still sucking off the Clinton teet.

    • anna shane

      That’s an ugly way to say that you think BamBam didn’t get fair questions. Why not say that and then explain why those questions weren’t fair? Unless you can’t, in which case … It’s so hard to believe that your candidate may not be the best of the two and that we might have an easier win and a more regulated government with his opponent? I don’t care about his paster or that convicted home terrorists give fund raisers for him that he attends. I care that he says he knows more about foreign policy than Hillary and doesn’t need advisors when he doesn’t even know small town Americans. I’m concerned that he wants to meet with our enemies without knowing what might insult them. He’s too high on himself and he thinks he knows a lot more than he knows. That’s the kind of arrogance that makes me want a competent president, not one running on the ability to inspire and unite. He’s not inspiring me, and his uniting skills have yet to be shown.

    • http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

      Great. All we need is about a hundred more like him to catch up to all the people on CNN and MSNBC who are blowing OBama daily.

  • http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com TexasDarlin

    Susan, thanks for such a comprehensive piece on Obama’s WU friend. It’s pretty clear, if you get into Obama’s background, that he has a lifelong pattern of building relationships with radicals. These are his roots, dating back to his father. So that would be my theory.

    How do people think BO’s answer on the Ayres question was received?

    • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

      Not enough information about the relationships — or Ayers’ terrorist past — was described. We need to fill those holes.

      One thing I noticed was that Obama described Ayers as a professor of English — good grief. He is a professor of education. Which is more frightening — knowing that Bill Ayers is training some of our nation’s teachers! (Imagine what a GOP 527 will do with that? “Barack Obama’s longtime terrorist pal is allowed to train teachers at a liberal university in Chicago, where Obama lives.”)

      • mercey

        Four Stumps in the Water for Obama
        Yahoo! News, (31 Mar 2008)
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20080331/cm_rcp/four_stumps_in_the_water_for_o

        …”Obama’s final stump also lies in Kenwood, where he was friendly with the 1960s radicals, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Ayers and Dohrn, now married, were members of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol. Ayers and Dohrn spent a decade on the run before turning themselves in and spending time in jail. Both are now professors and prominent figures in Chicago’s leftist-progressive politics. “…

        Obama’s past, right at him
        The Washington Times, (01 Apr 2008)
        http://washingtontimes.com/article/20080401/NATION01/603988821/0/NATION

        …”Writing on RealClear Politics.com, he identifies one “stump” from the radical-left past that Mr. Obama has diligently hidden. He served on the board of the Woods Fund, a small radical foundation, with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn late of the Weather Underground, the radical cell that killed cops and tried to plant a bomb in the U.S. Capitol. They’re married to each other now and after a decade on the run turned themselves in and served prison time. They’re unrepentant. In an interview with the New York Times, Prof. Ayers boasted that he had no regrets about setting bombs to kill innocents: “I feel we didn’t do enough.” When the senator and the unrepentant bomber served together on the Woods Fund board, the Fund awarded $6,000 to Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church “in recognition of Barack Obama’s contributions of Woods Fund as a director.” Later the Obama-Ayers board awarded a generous grant to the Arab-American Action Network. “….

        Radicals never say sorry
        Los Angeles Times, (26 Feb 2008)
        http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-goldberg26feb26,1,4960353.column

        Obama worked with terrorist
        WorldNetDaily, (24 Feb 2008)
        http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57231

        ..”Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund’s website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2001. Obama served on the Wood’s Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971.Ayers, who still serves on the Woods Fund board, contributed $200 to Obama’s senatorial campaign fund and has served on panels with Obama at numerous public speaking engagements. Ayers admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s. He is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.”…”…”The charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance. Ayers is married to another notorious Weathermen terrorist, Bernadine Dohrn, who has also served on panels with Obama. Dohrn was once on the FBI’s Top 10 Most Wanted List and was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the “most dangerous woman in America.” Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 murder and robbery that left 4 people dead. “…

        No, He Can’t Because Yes, They Will
        Atlantic Free Press, (21 Feb 2008)
        http://atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/3440/32/

        …”William Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist, though he is normally described as a distinguished education professor. One does not necessarily rule out the other, but he himself acknowledges planting bombs in U.S. Federal buildings. There is now undeniable proof of a longstanding relationship between Barack Obama and William Ayers.”…”No, we are talking about William Ayers hosting a fundraiser for Barack Obama and actively working with him to secure Barack’s first electoral victory in Illinois. But wait, there is more. Barack and Ayers also served on the board of the Woods Fund. And they worked together to give money to some other folks, including a group with ties to the PLO. “…”William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, will be Barack Obama’s Willie Horton. “…

  • Patrick Henry

    I agree..but its a beginning…and those questions shoulf be asked now by the Media as a Follow Up..There is still time..people must know the full Background Story…This guy is going for the “FOOTBALL” and the CODES..He MUST be Vetted..

  • Fleaflicker

    VERY powerful diary. WOW!

  • alikat

    Nothing like defending your association with Ayers by stating you also have a friendship with that conservative fool, Tom Coburn. Tell me how that makes any logical sense.

    • MarkL

      Obama is comparing Coburn to a terrorist. Aren’t there rules about decorum for Senators which apply even when they are in public? What Obama said is pretty extreme.

    • workingclass artist

      Well it’s the same logical connection between TYPICAL WHITE GRANNY and the Good Rev. GOD DAMN AMERICA Wright….

  • http://Supergram.blogspot.com Melissa

    My vote is Hillary won hands down!
    We may have wished for more substantive discussion of the issues, but for folks who get all their election info from the MSM this may have been the opening for which we have been waiting. I knwo the regular people I talk to around town did not know about Ayers, Rezko, Farrakhan until I educated them. Hopefully, this debate will open that door for a lot more people!

  • Paul
  • John

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/DemocraticDebate/story?id=4666956&page=1

    check out the caption under the first debate picture: “Breaking News: Dems play nice, Clinton Concedes”

    Un-fucking Believable. Talk about twisting the language to get the result you want.

    • JoeySky

      It happened before. Austin debate, CNN panel were all over the closing statement that Hillary conceded.

      Who is going to being the same crap from them again?

    • Mel

      where does it say that, checked it out and doesn’t say that?

      • John

        It’s been fixed now

  • Catriley

    Well.. I’m quite certain that the internet searches for Ayers and the Weather Underground are going to mushroom in the next 24-48 hours. The Obama people will again try to google bomb it so that only the most distilled version of Ayers appears (but it will take them a while to do that. it took them about a week to clean up the searches for Rev. Wright)

    I’m still in shock that they asked him somthing so substansive! I’m used to the usual debate questions he gets… “if you were a flower, what kind would you be?”

  • John

    If you dont click the whole link, you dont get the rest of the headline: “…Obama could beat McCain.” I believe this was totally intentional.

  • ChrisXP

    The sticky part with the whole Weather Underground, is that Bill Clinton pardoned 2 of them. That makes any protest of Ayers a tad hypocritical from Hillary.

    Obama likes boxing Hillary into a catty corner with her own past. Partisans will excuse it, but non-partisans will pause and think, “hmmmm, this is becoming a pattern. Is Hillary’s positions solid or really fluid? Will she change her position like the wind a year later?”

    Mixed about this, because of the pardons. Terrorists are terrorists no matter what side of the political spectrum. If we’re going to give pardons to home grown terrorists, what next? Al Qaeda?

    Now you know why the Republicans stick to a script, even if it hurts them. Some things don’t get crossed, because straying will no longer represent their voting block (must learn from history, or it’ll blow up literally in your face later).

    • simon, too

      There is a difference between pardoning someone, and socializing with him, taking money from him, and sending it to Palestine.

      It’s not the same at all.

      Obama associates with a RING of terrorists, and no one wants to examine this closely, with the exception of the republicans, and then only to exploit it.

      But cmon, he’s a federal politician, and he’s associating with enemies of the Untied States, at the very least with men who murder innocents.

      This is not hip, or urbane, or cool.

      For Obama, I think it is profitable.

      • ChrisXP

        There is a difference between pardoning someone, and socializing with him, taking money from him, and sending it to Palestine.

        Unfortunately, not much, because by pardoning Bill gave a signal to the Weather Underground their terrorist plots wasn’t so godawful (because a pardon takes away the penalties of the crime). It’s literally like giving one to OBL, despite 9/11.

        Believe me, this will be played to the hilt in the GE by the Republicans. Like how can a person be able to defend the Constitution, when s/he pardons and allies with known terrorists that want to use our Constitution as toilet paper?

        Obama basically committed suicide for either candidate. For him with associating with Ayers; for Hillary because Bill pardoned 2 known terrorists.

        God, with friends like that who even needs the GOP??

        • Catriley

          Bill didn’t pardon Ayers.

          • ChrisXP

            Bill didn’t pardon Ayers.

            But he pardoned two convicted terrorists.

            No winners on this matter, Barry shot Hillary and about to eat his six shooter (if he isn’t now, he will once the Republicans feed him to the sharks; bears; mountain lions; and every other predator that loves to play with their prey and then eat it).

            I swear Dems topple their own EVERY SINGLE TIME. UGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

    • deke

      That’s a stupid comparison they are false equals. It is not hypocritical that he pardon them. He knew Ayers has been to his house and I assume from that sought his advise.

      • ChrisXP

        That’s a stupid comparison they are false equals. It is not hypocritical that he pardon them. He knew Ayers has been to his house and I assume from that sought his advise.

        Singing to the choir isn’t going change the GOP mindset. Screaming it from the mountain top won’t either.

        What a freaking mindfield. Both Dem candidates have such messed up associations, meanwhile the media’s golden boy just has to sit back and watch more tripe leak out the pores every week — and it’s not even June, yet.

        Why Bill? Don’t you remember history and how pardons comes back to haunt former presidents? Remember Ford?

        • rwc

          You nailed it.

          The right wing blogs are already all over Clinton’s pardons.

          Hillary is going to pay a high price for her husband’s screw-ups if she is the nominee.

          • ChrisXP

            Hillary is going to pay a high price for her husband’s screw-ups if she is the nominee.

            Obama needs to be gagged before sinking anymore Democrats.

            He can kiss his presidency ambitions goodbye, too. Once the military rank-and-file learns he’s buddy-buddy with a guy who planted a bomb at the Pentagon to KILL service people, even more so.

            • TeakWoodKite

              And when they have to “execute”? UG

            • GettingReal

              For those of you associating Ayers with killing people, please do your homework. The goal was to damage property without loss of human life, as was done at the Pentagon. They (Ayers and Dohrn) also made those same comments in a nationally televised interview. Yes, they were a radical group taking a strong position in opposing the Vietnam war, but keep the facts right so we can discuss facts and not fiction.

              • lifelong dem leaving party

                funny thing about bombs is they kill people. and if ayers/dohrn claim they only intended to damage property, we are to suppose that they were too ignorant to realize that people are in buildings? even at night, people are in buildings, whether it be cleaning crews, night watchmen, whatever. besides, some of their bombs were set at and/or planned for places where they knew people would be.

                the sad thing about all this is that obamaites are so desperate to continue the myth for their guy that they will even defend unrepentant terrorists.

                btw, when someone is killed in the process of a felony, the co-conspirators are all guilty of murder, even if the person killed is one of the co-conspirators. it’s called felony murder. so ayers/dohrn and their pals committed murder when their pals blew themselves up as they prepared for one of their bombings. they just got away with it on a technicality. defending the actions of his murderer friends hardly seems helpful to your guy’s phony claim of being a new kind of politician.

  • Paul
    • SensibleWoman

      I did and I also emailed ABC to thank them for a truly professional atmosphere at the debate.

      I didn’t say this part outright in the email, but I am so thankful they did NOT allow BO supporters to behave like they were at a ballgame.

  • Liz

    Bill Clinton pardoned Susan Rosenberg and Linda Evans. Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn never received a pardon because they never were convicted of any felonies. They have lived life so outside of the mainstream that one is now a respected professor of education (who has been asked to speak at such radical hotbeds, as the University of South Carolina), and one is a professor at a top 25 law school.

    • simon, too

      And what does that have to do with murdering people, and not apologizing for it?

      Ayers murdered INNOCENT Americans, and he qualified it.

      You’re OK with it?

      That’s delusional.

    • ChrisXP

      Bill Clinton pardoned Susan Rosenberg and Linda Evans. Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn never received a pardon because they never were convicted of any felonies. They have lived life so outside of the mainstream that one is now a respected professor of education

      Hope every Dem sees the writing on the wall.

      This is like giving red meat to a wolf, and banking it won’t bite off the arm the next time you feed it. Republicans just l-o-v-e such dirt, because they can say, “See, those liberals really do want to destroy our country. Heck, they even reward terrorists!”.

      Love logic puzzles, but this one is a knot that seems to get tighter, like a noose over time, because partisans can’t see the forest through the trees (and this forest has bears; wolves and mountain lions with 6″ teeth looking for snacks, and not a single hunter for miles).

      Terrorism = defeat. Doesn’t matter if it’s the Weather Underground or a militia group that’s preparing for a Turner Diary show down. Be it a pardon of women who’s past time was wiring bombs; or sitting back and having beers with a Prof who once tried to kill the defenders of the Constitution — and cowardly hides behind it now all smug.

      This is the 60s junk I was warning folks about earlier. It’s not fun reliving that past, nor “kewl”. It has some god awful moments, that can ruin careers decades later. After 9/11 defending terrorists is no longer “hip”.

  • Paul

    Vote who won the debate

    http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2137

    Obama supporters are voting misusing the poll there. I think if you delete the cookie from Internet Explorer you can revote again. So vote atleast 20 times .

  • http://dianej.wordpress.com DianeJ

    I was delighted that he finally was asked about his relationship with Bill Ayers. Obama seems to be far far left and I do hope he keeps getting hit with questions from this point on. It is incredible that he has gotten this far.

  • beachnan

    Hillary did a fantastic job as usual. OT, but someone was saying on another blog that the ABC poll that came out today in favor of Obama being the best candidate to beat McCain in the GE, was due to them polling a large number of AA’s. Is there any validity to that? I find it hard to believe, considering the last few days, that many Dems would prefer Obama over Clinton. Have you guys heard anything?

  • jwrjr

    I hope the SDs were watching the debate.

  • annagain

    Senator Clinton clearly won this debate. Senator Obama seemed very uncomfortable and stumbling at times. He is not used to getting asked hardball questions and being held to a tight format.

    Kudos to ABC News for asking questions that either one would surely have to answer from the Republicans in the fall

  • Liz

    “Ayers murdered INNOCENT Americans, and he qualified it.”

    Which innocent Americans might these be? The only people killed in the bombings were the Weatherunderground members killed in the Greenwich Village explosion.

  • djmm

    So I understand that Linda Evans was convicted of making false statements to acquire weapons — and got 40 years. Maybe a bit excessive for that crime. A Democracy Now intro says she was also convicted of conspiracy in a bombing at the US Capital where fortunately no one was hurt. She was pardoned after serving 16 years.

    Similarly, Susan Rosenberg was sentenced to 58 years for weapons possession — 16 times the average sentence for that crime. She had been in prison since 1984, so again had served about 17 years.

    Both worked as HIV/AIDS educators in prisons.

    It might be the excessive sentences for what they were actually convicted of which led to their pardons. I have not been able to find whether they are remorseful or unrepentant like Prof. Ayers. But at least they served a reasonable amount of time for the crimes of which they were convicted.

    And it’s not like Senator Clinton has attended fund-raisers at their houses…

    djmm

    • llilytoo

      And it’s not like Senator Clinton has attended fund-raisers at their houses…

      THANK YOU! Also it seems Bill pardoned those two others after they served the usual time for those crimes and just spared them the pile on time.

  • mercey

    I think, or at least it appears to be evident, that both Ayers and Obama have differing opinions of themselves, contrary to how their actions are perceived by others.

    Terrorism, or committing acts of violence, on the part of Ayers, does not somehow become justified or excusable, forgivable yes, but not excusable pr justified because one views one’s self as an intellectual.

    Celebrating intellectuals? Humm…that would be a classic textbook example of being an elitist.

    Obviously, Obama’s peers, to him, are intellectuals, rather than the common every day person.

    His very actions by paneling himself as an intellectual belies his words that he is with common person.

    Intellectuals: Who Needs Them? Conference
    The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago, (Apr 2002)
    http://www.uic.edu/classes/las/las400/conferencealt.htm

    …”It will be both a celebration of ideas and a rigorous examination of the roles and responsibilities that intellectuals play in society. “…”IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations. William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator) “…

  • bob h

    The most pressing problem for the Democratic party is to consider the effect of Barack Obama’s longtime relationship with William Ayers in a general election contest.

    The most pressing problem after the relationship with Rev. Wright and the demonstrated elitist contempt for other Americans, you mean.

  • http://www.sohhoverit.com/ willyjsimmons

    and who consorted with other violent radicals like the Black Panthers.

    Not sure you wanna go there…

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  • http://oldatlanticlighthouse.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/northwestern-law-prof-bernardine-dohrn-weather-underground/ Old Atlantic

    Someone should make a FOIA request for the tapes and transcripts of the Weather Underground. Maybe some of its already public?

    Also, its interesting that Obama says that anything that happened 40 or more years ago doesn’t count anymore. In that case, we should end affirmative action immediately.

  • GettingReal

    Time for alarmists to read what Bill Ayers himself actually said. This from his blog, not that anything ever gets posted on noquarter that isn’t from the reactionary fringe.

    From Bill Ayers’ Blog, posted April 21:

    Clarifying the Facts— a letter to the New York Times, 9-15-2001
    April 21, 2008
    September 15, 2001

    To The Editors—

    In July of this year Dinitia Smith asked my publisher if she might
    interview me for the New York Times on my forthcoming book, Fugitive
    Days. From the start she questioned me sharply about bombings, and
    each time I referred her to my memoir where I discussed the culture of
    violence we all live with in America, my growing anger in the 1960’s
    about the structures of racism and the escalating war, and the
    complex, sometimes extreme and despairing choices I made in those
    terrible times.
    Smith’s angle is captured in the Times headline: “No regrets for a
    love of explosives” (September 11, 2001). She and I spoke a lot about
    regrets, about loss, about attempts to account for one’s life. I
    never said I had any love for explosives, and anyone who knows me
    found that headline sensationalistic nonsense. I said I had a
    thousand regrets, but no regrets for opposing the war with every ounce
    of my strength. I told her that in light of the indiscriminate murder
    of millions of Vietnamese, we showed remarkable restraint, and that
    while we tried to sound a piercing alarm in those years, in fact we
    didn’t do enough to stop the war.
    Smith writes of me: “Even today, he ‘finds a certain eloquence to
    bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance,’ he writes.” This
    fragment seems to support her “love affair with bombs” thesis, but it
    is the opposite of what I wrote:

    We’ll bomb them into the Stone Age, an unhinged American politician
    had intoned, echoing a gung-ho, shoot-from-the-hip general… each
    describing an American policy rarely spoken so plainly. Boom. Boom.
    Boom. Poor Viet Nam.
    Almost four times the destructive power Florida… How could we
    understand it? How could we take it in? Most important, what should
    we do about it? Bombs away.
    There is a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a
    safe distance. The rhythm of B-52s dropping bombs over Viet Nam, a
    deceptive calm at 40,000 feet as the doors ease open and millennial
    eggs are delivered on the green canopy below, the relentless thud of
    indiscriminate destruction and death without pause on the ground.
    Nothing subtle or syncopated. Not a happy rhythm.
    Three million Vietnamese lives were extinguished. Dig up Florida and
    throw it into the ocean. Annihilate Chicago or London or Bonn. Three
    million—each with a mother and a father, a distinct name, a mind and a
    body and a spirit, someone who knew him well or cared for her or
    counted on her for something or was annoyed or burdened or irritated
    by him; each knew something of joy or sadness or beauty or pain. Each
    was ripped out of this world, a little red dampness staining the
    earth, drying up, fading, and gone. Bodies torn apart, blown away,
    smudged out, lost forever.

    I wrote about Vietnamese lives as a personal American responsibility,
    then, and the hypocrisy of claiming an American innocence as we
    constructed and stoked an intricate and hideous chamber of death in
    Asia.
    Clearly I wrote and spoke about he export of violence and the
    government’s love affair with bombs. Just as clearly Dinitia Smith
    was interested in her journalistic angle and not the truth. This is
    not a question of being misunderstood or “taken out of context,” but
    of deliberate distortion.
    Some readers apparently responded to her piece, published on the same
    day as the vicious terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, by
    associating my book with them. This is absurd. My memoir is from
    start to finish a condemnation of terrorism, of the indiscriminate
    murder of human beings, whether driven by fanaticism or official
    policy. It begins literally in the shadow of Hiroshima and comes of
    age in the killing fields of Southeast Asia. My book criticizes the
    American obsession with a clean and distanced violence, and the
    culture of thoughtlessness and carelessness that results form it.
    We are now witnessing crimes against humanity in our own land on an
    unthinkable scale, and I fear that we might soon see innocent people
    in other parts of the world as well as in the U.S. dying and suffering
    in response.
    All that we witnessed September 11—the awful carnage and pain, the
    heroism of ordinary people—may drive us mad with grief and anger, or
    it may open us to hope in new ways. Perhaps precisely because we have
    suffered we can embrace the suffering of others and gather the
    necessary wisdom to resist the impulse to lash out randomly. The
    lessons of the anti-war movements of the 1960s and 70s may be more
    urgent now than ever.

  • http://Comcast Tyone

    Willaim Ayer is no a issue. If Hannity thought that Ayer was such a problem . Why is he not protesting the college that hire him. Hannity didn’t attack the white church after reporting on the Latter Day people a all white community of child molestor