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Barry and the Pirates, Rewriting History?

If you are a regular reader of No Quarter you know that I am no fan of Barack Obama. As I have pointed out in recent articles I think his conduct at the Summit of the Americas was disgraceful. It is vital we hold him accountable for what he does, not what we imagine. Which brings me to revisit the questionable claims that have emerged in the wake of the rescue of Captain Smith from the clutches of Somali Pirates.

Barack Obama is being smeared and unfairly maligned by the following piece of propaganda, which is circulating the web and uses enough terminology to have the ring of authenticity. But it is a lie. I have heard directly from a couple of people who participated in the discussions and decision making process. These individuals are career professionals and are not political partisans.

Let’s look first at the smear. This so-called account of events ignores some significant matters. First, it says nothing about the decision of one of the pirates to surrender to U.S. officials. Second, it says nothing about the timing and decision to hook the lifeboat to a tow line and tow it behind the boat. This is particularly important because no assault to rescue the Captain was feasible until this happened. Third, the so-called “retired rear admiral” neglects to account for the time distance problem of alerting the SEAL team and deploying it to the scene. Finally, Barack did not brag about his role. The smear piece states:

7. BHO immediately claims credit for his “daring and decisive” behaviour. As usual with him, it’s BS.

But here is what he actually said at the start of his speech at the Department of Transportation on the day after the rescue:

Before I discuss the purpose of my visit to the Department of Transportation today, I want to take a moment to say how pleased I am about the rescue of Captain Phillips and his safe return to the USS Boxer this weekend. (Applause.) His safety has been our principal concern, and I know this came as a welcome relief to his family and his crew.

I had a chance to talk to his wife yesterday and, as she put it, she couldn’t imagine a better Easter than seeing his safe return. And I am very proud of the efforts of the U.S. military and many other departments and agencies that worked tirelessly to resolve this situation. I share our nation’s admiration for Captain Phillips’ courage and leadership and selfless concern for his crew.

And I want to be very clear that we are resolved to halt the rise of privacy [sic] in that region. And to achieve that goal we’re going to have to continue to work with our partners to prevent future attacks, we have to continue to be prepared to confront them when they arise, and we have to ensure that those who commit acts of piracy are held accountable for their crimes.

Here, in its entirety, is the smear piece:

NOW THE REST OF THE STORY

BHO = Barrack H Obama
DEVGRU=Development Group …the old Seal team 6 out of the Norfolk area…probably the best of the best
NSWC=Navy Special Warfare Command
ROE=Rules of Engagement
RIB=Ridged Inflatable&nb sp;Boat Obama
OSC=On Scene Commander
CPN=is probably the Captain of the Bainbridge
CDR=Commander
OpArea= Operations Area

Subject: AH, now it comes out

Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn’t authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.

2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn’t do anything unless the hostage’s life was in “imminent” danger

3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction

4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.

5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams

6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies

7. BHO immediately claims credit for his “daring and decisive” behaviour. As usual with him, it’s BS.

So per our last email thread, I’m downgrading Oohbaby’s performace to D-. Only reason it’s not an F is that the hostage survived.

Read the following accurate account:

Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the
Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his
lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States,
Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.

The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the onscene commander decided he’d had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.

Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.

There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.

Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.

Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.

What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.

What the author of this smear job does not know, or understand apparently, is that it took the Bainbridge almost 20 hours to steam to the location of the pirated ship. It was not until the Bainbridge was on scene (Thursday morning edt) that intelligence was available for Washington, DC decision makers. Once the decision was made to launch the SEAL team you are looking at a minimum of 24 hours from alert to deployment to actual flight to the scene. The earliest the SEALs could have mounted an operation was late Saturday morning Somali time.

So what do SEALs do when they show up on scene? They have to get into position and they have to do so in a way that the pirates do not detect their movement. Once in place they will collect information/intelligence. They need to verify that there are only four pirates on board. The SEALs are not going to “assume” anything and are going to verify they have the right information. The understand that if there is a fuck up they are on the chopping block. The reality is that the SEALs were not able to get fully into place until the cycle of darkness that commenced on Saturday, Somali time.

Once in place you have to have simultaneous visual identity of all of the targets. The pirates apparently were not just lounging around the portholes of the life boat.

Here is a comment from a person who was involved with the decision making surrounding this incident. Along with personnel from the National Security Council, the discussions included people from the Department of Defense, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the FBI, the Department of Justice and the Department of State.

Every decision these days is politicized it seems. I was part of the discussion. Rules of Engagement were the same as it would be under any similar circumstance, nothing was delayed in making that decision.

We had to get the right folks in place. Navy Destroyers are not manned with the capability to take the shots which eventually were made. Our commanders did the right and timely thing. There was no discussion about not hurting the pirates to ensure political correctness. Our number one concern from the beginning was to get Phillips back safely. The safest way was to convince the Kat-chewing punks to give up, while at the same time preparing for a tactical solution.

The negotiations were designed to buy time, glean more information, and if possible, talk them into submission. The additional time was key to our success. We have done it many times in the past, this one just happened to make the front pages. We always prefer the negotiated solution, since our policy is to make no concessions in the course of the negotiations. One of them listened, the others pushed the situation too far and paid the price.

In short, those who support and defend the Constitution are fully aware of what is lawful and consistent with policy that has been in place through many administrations. Sound tactical solutions were not impeded by politics.

I repeat my fundamental position. Criticize Obama for legitimate lapses and miscues. Give him credit for doing the right thing in the right way. As far as the rescue of Captain Phillips is concerned Barack Obama did the right thing and allowed the process to work as it should. Smearing him for being indecisive in this matter is unfair and wrong.

  • jwrjr

    On this point I agree with LJ – BHO has enough valid faults that merit vocal criticism. But don’t make sh*t up. “Your” criticisms are only valid when you acknowledge the (rare) times when Obama does something right.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Thanks for the update and analysis, Larry. And you are right, we must give credit when such credit is due.

  • Tom Cat “wodiej” Jefferson Esq

    I stand my ground. While I don’t advocate dishonesty no matter who it is about, the only people I will credit is Capt. Phillips and the Navy Seals.

  • JS

    I think most don’t see this as something worthy of “credit”. If you do what you are supposed to do, it’s just…doing what you’re supposed to do. The only thing he could have done that deserved any notice in this case was the wrong thing.

    The MSM, crawling all over themselves to credit their newest “warrior”-in-chief, for simply not screwing things up, mirrors the mentality that rewards mediocrity in school , and ensures that nobody fails. I mean, the guy is such a train-wreck that not getting in the way is the new success…

  • http://NoQuarterUSA.net Larry Johnson

    No, that’s not correct. There are alot of things Obama could have done that would have hindered the rescue. He deserves credit for at least having the good sense to listen to advice from experienced hands.

  • Patience

    If it’s true that the POTUS didn’t prevent an earlier rescue of Capt. Phillips, then I agree with Larry’s POV.

    But I have to admit that I was cynically expecting to hear of Capt. Phillips’ rescue on Easter Sunday, so that the incident could provide optimal opportunity to make political hay. And since it was indeed mid-afternoon on Easter Sunday that we heard news of the rescue, I have to admit I’ve been a bit suspicious.

    It won’t be too long before we have several first-hand accounts of the rescue, which should take care of any lingering doubts.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    He deserves credit for at least having the good sense to listen to advice from experienced hands.

    I’m sad to say you are correct. Sad in that things have gotten so out of bad with American governance that we have to give credit for a competent decision. Competence should be the norm and the giving of credit shouldn’t even be necessary. But these are different times.

  • JS

    That’s pretty much what I said. I just think it’s kind of like giving someone credit for washing his hands after going to the bathroom. Was it the right thing to listen to advice given what was at stake and given the fact he knows zero about the topic? Sure. But what choice does one have in that position? If anyone wants to give him credit, give him credit for simply staying out of the way, not, as the MSM did, for some kind of heroism. Some of the stories after the SEALs did their thing were absolutely ridiculous…

    Credit? ok…

  • Manu

    Hehe…we all know who Barry really is, you can’t change the spots on this cat, Larry. Instead of providing leadership, he stayed on the sideliness until he saw which way the wind blew.

  • Peggy Sue

    Ferd said:

    “I’m sad to say you are correct. Sad in that things have gotten so out of bad with American governance that we have to give credit for a competent decision. Competence should be the norm and the giving of credit shouldn’t even be necessary. But these are different times.”

    These are different times indeed. But I simply don’t understand the resistence to giving the President credit for getting out of the way, letting the “experienced hands,” as Larry pointed out, do their job.

    I haven’t heard anyone here giving great kudos to 0bama for a wondrous job. Only acknowledgement that he did the right thing and the right thing happened.

    The unrelenting Obama hate will not win the day. Criticize the man for his mistakes [and he's had a lot of them] and give credit where credit is due. 0bama is not a “hero” here; our military guys get that honor. And Captain Phillips gets a hat tip for being a standup guy.

    There’s a point at which the 0bama hate becomes a psychosis. This is one of those times.

    0bama was competent. Thank God!

  • hinterlands

    President Bush would have taken the pirates out immediately, “you are either for us or against us”. Everything he is or does is treasoness, Obama is a dangerous fraud, and you know it L.J. I never thought I would see the day that this blog became cheerleaders for THAT ONE.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Peggy Sue:

    My point was simply this: I work every day and perform my functions with competence and skill commensurate with my position in the company and my years of experience. I do not expect “credit” for performing my function in the manner to which I was hired to do it. It is just that simple. One of the reasons capitalism is going down the toilet is for this very reason and I include management in this as they are just as bad.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    And like it or not, That One is an employee of the Federal government and he should have had the requisite knowledge and experience for the job before he was “hired” to do it. Sorry, but that is part of his job and no credit should be given for doing that job.

  • oowawa

    I don’t mind giving O some credit for this. Give the man his due. In fact, I think I’ll go and figure out his “balance” right now.

    Oooops, looks like it’s still

    Party Unity My Ass

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    These are the times we live in, JS. Everyone wants a medal for doing their job, from CEOs to hourly workers and from politicians to bureaucrats. WHile I cannot stand That One, I can’t single him out in this instance because it is so prevalent in today’s world.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    You always lighten up the thread, oowawa.

    Good evening to you.

  • arran Madison

    Families like mine who have lost a loved one in war, or foreign hostilities, have only praise for the Navy Seals and the President for Captain Phillips’ safe return.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    I hear you. My stepson just got back from his second tour in Iraq. I am thankful he came back safe and sound. I give credit to him, his unit, and his commanders, which is as it should be.

  • oowawa

    Good evening, Mr. Berfle. There are so many grievances that cry out for venting, and having to grant any concessions to O at all makes us old curmudgeons grumble and get extra surly. But we’ll be fair! (cloud of gloom floating over my head)

  • Eastan

    Larry

    You have much more patience with folks on this subject than many would have. The exchange, however, does occasionally provide some entertaining insight into the pre-disposed thinking process of the extremes.

    There are iBots. BO could flip the bird to the King of Canada and they would say he demonstrated a brilliant acumen in cultural exchange matters, making him worthy of an honorary doctorate from the school of hard knocks.

    There are noNuts. BO could walk on water and they would headline their blogs with: “Yet another dangerous flaw revealed. Obama Can’t Swim!”

    I guess having a strong blockhead to our extreme left and another to our extreme right helps keep the rest of us from falling off the edge of the screen in this dialectical version of Pong.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    I’m with you on that, oowawa. It does rankle me a bit that people expect high praise, a parade, and champagne for merely doing their job they were hired to do. Had I thought that way, my 25 years in the analytical chemistry business would have been miserable.

    I’ve often wondered what people actually mean by “fair”.

  • to77

    have you talked to them ALL?

  • beebop

    I am in agreement with you on this. Dialing the number for the real decision maker is a no brainer imho.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I think Glen Beck said it best. If it was under Bush’s watch whether neg or positive Bush would have gotten credit as President or gotten bashed as President. Enough said.
    Obama just happened to be President at the time of this incident so he gets the credit as current President of the US.

    Personaly I do agree with the many on here that the real credit belongs to the military and the captain for their handling of the incident.

    I will admit that the many internet articles do make me wonder what really transpired behind some of the scenes. But as we all know; very seldom do we ever learn the Full truth of many events until many many years afterward, if ever.

  • oowawa

    Yes, Ferd. No room for error in chemistry. It seems that the “bar” has been set way low for Mr. O–and this ain’t the limbo at Club Calypso–it’s the high-jump at the world olympics . . .

    But I will be grateful every time he steps over the bar and does not fall on his face.

  • Peggy Sue

    I understand your frustration, Ferd. We all feel that. But as you said earlier: these are different times, even strange times.

    My criticism on the 0bama-hate is that it doesn’t take us very far, not nearly far enough. And if we do not concede the moments where the man was at the very least “competent,” it dilutes the true moments when he’s really screwed up. And we, the opposition, simply look like carping cranks.

    All I’m suggesting is this: that we keep our powder dry. Then we can take a clean shot and have more impact at the real missteps. I thought this Hugo Chavez hug-a-thon was a perfect example. What was 0bama thinking??

    Not much, I suspect. Wave bye-bye to the idea of brilliance. Say “hello” to can’t we all get along foreign policy.

    I trust this administration will provide many fine targets in the future. Frankly, I think 0bama is on a genuine roll with one mistake after the other. We should take full advantage of that–accentuate the biggies. Let the fortunate successes slide by with a genuine sigh of relief.

  • Tricia Spiegel

    Thanks for this, Larry. It explains a lot!

  • HARP

    When we had some success in Vietnam, we sure as hell didn`t give credit to the sitting President.

  • oowawa

    I’m just guessing at the intent of your puzzling query.
    BFB is talking to everyone reading this blog, and telling us that he gives credit to the people mentioned. I understood what he was saying okay . . .

    It’s like giving credit to Mr. O for this pirate incident. It doesn’t imply you actually talked to him.

    Why am I writing this? I know I must have a life around here somewhere . . .

  • oowawa

    Oh, I get it. I got confused as to who was responding to whom. Apologies.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    I trust this administration will provide many fine targets in the future. Frankly, I think 0bama is on a genuine roll with one mistake after the other. We should take full advantage of that–accentuate the biggies. Let the fortunate successes slide by with a genuine sigh of relief.

    I agree. He’s a big enough gaffe-meister to provide us with a lot of fodder over the coming months. I’m just waiting for his miniature melt-down.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    But I will be grateful every time he steps over the bar and does not fall on his face.

    LMAO. It has come to that, hasn’t it? That cloud of gloom has just come into view for me, as well.

  • Objective Analysis

    Agree,

    Larry you have a right to your opinion. All I wanted to do was give an opposite opinion that is questioning the delay in execution of the plan. This could have been done in 4 hours especially after the Captain went over board the first time.

    Luckily no one was hurt. We thank God for that. But something is suspect. With BO’s bend over ass backwards trips in Latin America and Europe, I don’t buy that with piracy, he is a capable leader.

    The other line of criticism makes more sense to me.

    But, we have a right to agree to disagree. No offense.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Why am I writing this? I know I must have a life around here somewhere . . .

    That reminds me of Blazing Saddles and a Harvey Korman soliloquy when he turned to the camera and asked the audience, “Why am I talking to you?”.

    LMAO

  • oowawa

    Quite true, HARP. And as the war dragged on and success was increasingly elusive, and especially after My Lai, “credit” was in real short supply.

    In a more recent example, how much “credit” did Bill Clinton get for the successes in the Balkans? Or, for that matter, how much credit did Wes Clarke get? Consider the number of US casualties in that conflict–very low, right? Seems like there should have been some “credit” to pass around for that one . . .

  • Objective Analysis

    Well, Collin Powell said the same thing when he went to the UN claiming that there was No Weapons of Mass Destruction and he said to the CIA, “Don’t lie to me.”

    Hmmmm! We know the truth don’t we Larry.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    In a more recent example, how much “credit” did Bill Clinton get for the successes in the Balkans? Or, for that matter, how much credit did Wes Clarke get? Consider the number of US casualties in that conflict–very low, right? Seems like there should have been some “credit” to pass around for that one.

    There sure should have been. But wait, I remember…Trench-Mouth Lott said it was all a diversion designed to deflect criticism from the Monica Lewinsky teapot-tempest in the making. Yeah, that’s the ticket.

  • Texas Gal

    Isn’t that the sad truth.

  • oowawa

    Yes indeed, Ferd. And now I’m starting to grind my teeth. I can’t think about those days for very long . . .

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    I guess having a strong blockhead to our extreme left and another to our extreme right helps keep the rest of us from falling off the edge of the screen in this dialectical version of Pong

    So which are you, the thesis, antithesis, or synthesis? And which term belongs with what ideology?

  • JS

    Agree. My point of view was not brought on by “hate”, but rather by the MSM gushing over him doing nothing more than saying “duh..I have no idea. You decide”

    Be very careful giving this quisling credit; measure it carefully, and be specific…

  • oowawa

    HaHa, Ferd–I remember that! And the scene around the campfire . . . an analogy of blogging life?

    And, hmmmmm . . . that sheriff who rides into town reminds me of somebody too . . .

  • http://deleted Betsy Buzz Ross Latte

    Okay, so Obama gets ONE check in the “He did it right” column. It’s a very small check in the sense that he (Obama) was just doing his job.

    It’s one small check up against the myriad of checks in the “He blew it” column.

    It’s safe to say that Obama isn’t blazing any trails in annals of presidential decisions.

  • Pieter B

    The writer of “The Rest of the Story” lost me at “raggies.” Larry’s pointing out that it took the Bainbridge 20 hours to get to the scene rather than the four the writer claims is the icing on that turd cake.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    an analogy of blogging life?

    For sure. “More beans, boss”?…

    Slim Pickens, waving his ten-gallon hat around) “I think you all have had about enough.”

  • oowawa

    Whoa–that’s funny, Ferd! But we just can’t help ourselves–No Quarter keeps dishing out bowls of Obama! How can we not comment!

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    But we just can’t help ourselves–No Quarter keeps dishing out bowls of Obama! How can we not comment!

    LMAO

    Exactly… and then farting off-gassing in the bot’s general direction.

  • Paula Revere

    I think we should give the Fraud credit for every day that his disgusting, global trashing of America doesn’t result in dead Americans. None today. He gets credit.

  • Tom Cat “wodiej” Jefferson Esq

    So because we don’t want to give Obama credit for doing nothing, that’s hate??

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    JS:

    I don’t your point of view was brought on by hate and I’m sorry if I said anything which implied that. You and I see pretty much eye-to-eye on this one. These are just really freakish times.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Drat.

    That should read, “I don’t think your point of view….

  • Paula Revere

    No Tom Cat. Consider some of the sources of the “hate” claims. I agree with you about the credit. I don’t have to let him have a hall pass after what he did to this country, and continues to do. That’s ridiculous. For what? For doing what MY taxpaying dollars pay him to do? Whatever. I have to blow smoke up the azz of some dirtbag that does what he does all over the globe to America and Americans? I have to coo at the guy who played footsies with Chavez? Get outta here.

    I will continue to hate him, which is justified, and I will continue to press for his exposure as the Fraud, and I will pray this country survives him.

    And I too will only credit the Captain and the SEALS. Here’s the deal…If and when the Captain actually thanks the Fraud, maybe I will. ROFLMAO.

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    I think the same can be said for ‘troll’ hate or disdain for people with differing opinions. Dialing back the emotion for minor disagreements will give us more credibility on the critical arguments.

  • Retired

    I’m glad that Capt Phillips is safe at home. As for what happened or didn’t happen between the time that Capt Phillips offered himself as a hostage and the time that three pirates were dispatched to the next dimension, well, I think that I will reserve judgement until I hear the details from someone that was actually on the scene. That is unlikely to happen any time soon, though, because, as Larry mentioned, the men and women on the scene are professionals and professionals don’t talk, at least not to outsiders.
    I take this position because I have been out on the pointy end of the spear and have seen enough of the reports of both the press and those sitting back in CONUS on the SATCOM to realize that neither perspective is likely to be the same as that of one who is actually out there charged with accomplishing the mission. In my experience, patience is a virtue in such situations until (a) the other side realizes the hopelessness of its predicament and gives up, or (b) all of the shots are lined up and it becomes apparent that not only is (a) never going to happen, but some innocent life is going to be lost if the on-scene commander fails to take action.
    Some day, probably after they are also retired, we will here from the people on the scene. I look forward to that day.

  • Paula Revere

    Ben…He had the mini meltdown…It was called 60 minutes.

  • Paula Revere

    I don’t think anyone here actually “hates” the trolls. They’re kind of fun and it’s funny to watch some of the Bot Slayers play with them. I’m pretty sure none of us take the Bots so seriously that we lose sleep over it, or pull our hair out in rage.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Cripes–you’re spot on. I forgot about that one. Then it’s the big one next. He can’t tolerate being questioned.

  • Paula Revere

    I really thought on 60 Minutes he was cracking up under the pressure. Really comforting to know that he’s that same guy on the America Sucks World Tour welcoming invasion by our enemies. The big one, indeed.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    When the trolls come here to call US names on a website we did not encourage them to come to in the first place, then the sort of derision that is heaped upon them should come as no surprise to anyone.

    Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Let me quickly add that the reference to peeing is not directed at you SNK but the bots.

    Ferd

  • Paula Revere

    Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

    Good Lord, Ben, where DO you get this stuff? LMAO at you every day.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    I believe it is a quote from someone relatively known. But I heard a version from one of my friends at an old job who told me about a time when he was standing fire guard in the military with a fellow soldier. It was raining but what he was feeling on his leg was warm. And yep, you guessed it. His soldier friend lacked proper aim.

  • Paula Revere

    Well, thanks for sharing LOL. It’s another one from the Ben Franklin repertoire that I will be purloining. With due credit, of course :mrgreen:

  • arran Madison

    No, to77, I haven’t talked to any of these families, but I know they would have been grateful if a president had made the right decision at the right time and their loved ones had had a safe return and not met this fate:

    http://www.ncthunder.bravepages.com/mia/borden.html

  • Ulysses S. Moss

    Can anybody answer this question definitively..

    When obama was living in Hawaii is it true that he never went to see Pearl Harbor…

    If this is indeed true then it further reinforces his contempt for the military and all that is American

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    When obama was living in Hawaii is it true that he never went to see Pearl Harbor…

    I can’t answer definitively but his lack of interest in and knowledge about important historical events would lead me to surmise he hadn’t.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Well, thanks for sharing LOL. It’s another one from the Ben Franklin repertoire that I will be purloining. With due credit, of course

    No problem, Paula. Purloin away-I do all this for the fun and camaraderie here.

  • arran Madison

    No, to77, I haven’t talked to any of these families. I’m assuming that they are happy that this man was safely returned to his family by the president, who made the right decision at the right time, as Larry has stated. In our case, the president didn’t make the right decision, which haunted him, but left us with this memory and marker:

    http://www.ncthunder.bravepages.com/mia/borden.html

  • Katmoon-Adams

    Agree SNJ

  • Paula Revere

    You should do it professionally Ben. Between you and oowawa…Who needs cable?

    Still LMAO at when oowawa said about going to an Obama concentration camp…”I’ll be the geezer with the bunny slippers and a toothbrush.” You’re like Martin and Lewis together LOL.

  • TeakwoodKite

    Mr. Johnson, while BO “did the job”, what is it about him “having the good sense to listen to advice from experienced hands.” is SO inconsistent?

    It’s very disturbing, especially if one is a fair minded person. Do one thing right and then wash it down with utter stupidity….does not promote much confidence in his leadership abilities… Does it?

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    EEWWW!! (lol)

    Anyway, while venting and commiserating is great, this site is also for learning. If we automatically categorize or disrespect another commenter, we may be missing something important and/or discouraging others from participating. I’ve seen other blogs do this and it ain’t pretty. They become very one dimensional.

  • JS

    The “hate” thing was not to you. Peggy Sue was talking about Obama hate, as though the only reason some won’t credit him is because of irrational hate. This is no psychosis for me. I don’t credit him. Why is that hate?

    Again, not directed at you Benj…

  • BARB

    Crooks and Liars

    Sunday April 12, 2009 06:30 am
    What The International Media Aren’t Telling You About Somalia Pirates

    By Susie Madrak

    Johann Hari from The Independent:

    In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country’s food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

    Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

    Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: “Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it.” Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to “dispose” of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: “Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention.”

    At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia’s seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: “If nothing is done, there soon won’t be much fish left in our coastal waters.”

    This is the context in which the “pirates” have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a “tax” on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia – and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent “strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence”.

    No, this doesn’t make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters – especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But in a telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali: “We don’t consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas.” William Scott would understand.

    Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We won’t act on those crimes – the only sane solution to this problem – but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 per cent of the world’s oil supply, we swiftly send in the gunboats.

    You can read the United Nations report here.

    I wonder which principled member of our corporate media will point out that, in the big picture, the Somali pirates are acting in self-defense?

  • rickya

    Experienced People to Obama: Stay out of this, don’t make the situation worse by giving your inexperienced counsel.

    Obama: Okay

    Experienced People to Obama: Sir, the situation is now under control.

    Obama: Okay

    LJ: Let’s congratulate Obama for staying out of it.

    PLEEEEEAAASEEE!!!!

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