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I wish I still had the link to the Obama campaign explaining why they didn’t plan to make whistle stops in urban PA last week. Basically, it boils down to why visit the people you already have. It’s about respect and gratitude, but somehow I just don’t think that’s high on Obama’s list. So, while Barry Obama was making excuses for driving right by places like Pittsburgh, Hillary Clinton was discussing her urban agenda.

Hillary’s urban agenda serves as a plan to bring all American cities into the 21st century and reestablish a real partnership between cities and the federal government. To date, Senator Clinton is the only candidate to directly address the issue of urban violence with an aggressive crime fighting plan that will cut homicides in half.

Urban areas have suffered under the past eight years of George Bush and it is time to elect a President who has a plan for all Americans,” said Philadelphia City Councilwoman Blondell Reynolds Brown. “Hillary Clinton has produced a serious and thoughtful urban agenda with plans to invest in our
cities, create greater opportunities for our children, and rebuild our urban infrastructure. She is the best candidate to specifically address the issues that directly impact urban communities.”

Hillary Clinton has a plan to provide better education and greater future for our youth. She has proposed a Youth Opportunity Agenda to bring new hope and
possibilities to young people in our inner cities,” said Gary Horton, Member of the Erie School Board. “This is why I am supporting Hillary Clinton, she has a proven record of standing up and fighting for the underserved youth in America and she has a solid plan to continue the fight when she gets to the White House.”

The following PA African American Leaders Have Announced Their Support Of Hillary Clinton’s Urban Agenda and urge all PA voters to support her on Tuesday:

-Elton Armady, Student Leader, Penn State, Erie
-Autumn Cooper, Executive Director, Heinz-Menaker Senior Center, Harrisburg
-Caesar Deluverea, Community Activist, Harrisburg
-Aubrey Dillon, Retired Educator, Erie
-Kevin Easterling, Community Activist, Lehigh Valley
-Gwendolyn Galloway, Community Healthcare Provider, Erie
-Scot Galloway, Public Safety Worker, Erie
-Lawanda K. Goodwine, CEO&Owner, PACTSA Youth Development Corporation, Erie
-Amos Goodwine, Jr., CEO & Owner, Self Help Associates Consulting Group, Erie
-The Honorable Gary Horton, Erie School Board, Erie
-Howard Wayne Horton, Community Activist, Erie
-The Honorable Rubye Jenkins-Husband, Erie City Council, Erie
-Clare Jones, Former NAACP President, Greater Harrisburg, Harrisburg
-Melanie Jones, Community Activist, Harrisburg
-Jerry Mondesire, NAACP President, Philadelphia
-Mayor Michael Nutter, Philadelphia
-Tonya Payne, City Councilmember, Pittsburgh
-Blondell Reynolds-Brown, City Councilmember, Philadelphia
-Evelyn Richardson, Retiree, Allegheny County Democratic Club, Pittsburgh
-Former Mayor John Street, Philadelphia
-Marian Tasco, City Councilmember, Philadelphia
-Gwendolyn White, Community Activist and Women’s Advocate, Erie
-Louise Williams President, Lancaster City Council, Harrisburg
-Silvia Wilson, Pittsburgh Federation of Teachers, Pittsburgh

blobert

It is great to see Americans thinking freely, not feeling like they are bound to religion, race or whatever.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

They probably all have rocks thru their windows by now..

Hope their phones are off too…

JKFriz

I’ll tell you one thing: people in Philly love Mayor Nutter – I worked on his campaign, and we all got called the same things as Obama folks are getting called now: cultists, elitists, etc. The party hacks who have run this city from time immemorial all lined up against him, and he still won. With that in mind, I respect his choice to go with another candidate, as do most people here. He’s a good guy, and the right mayor for this time.

That having been said, I’ll be astonished if Obama wins Philly with a less-than-40-point margin.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Of COURSE he will win Philly. It’s not like we can’t guess whyyyyy.

And Hillary will win PA.

JKFriz

Because many of the unions who represent the “lunchbucket democrats” that have traditionally gone for Clinton will be holding Obama signs this time around? Because both the Inquirer and the Daily News endorsed him?

Why is it, pray tell?

simon, too

Concentrated media ownership, perhaps even through Hollinger, even Carlyle, and mob connected union leaders?

Hows about them apples?

Get real, mkay?

beebop

as do most people here

Then, we just imagined that he took so much shit that he had to close his email account down?

Or that Tom Daschle — who certainly KNOWS the mayor’s name — called him “Mayor Nutty?”

PUHLEEZ …..

JKFriz

Hey – I believe Tom Daschle’s from South Dakota rather than Philly, so you must have misunderstood my comment.

blobert

Tom Daschle is from South Park.
beebop

We were talking about piling on on Mayor Nutter … I didn’t realize that your entire life view was Philadelphia. So, you’ll like be totally happy and like your life will be complete when BOBO wins there? Great. ‘Cause Hillary is gonna bust his in the rest of the state.

JKFriz

I don’t think Hillary’s single-digit win in PA is going to quite count as an “ass-busting.” (Which is what I assume you meant by “gonna bust his in the rest of the state”.) But I’m glad the race is going on and both candidates are building strong ground games here for November.

beebop

Here is real change …

Paper of Former Bill Clinton-Basher Scaife Endorses Hillary

Since you have your head stuck in Philly, maybe you just didn’t catch this Pittsburgh endorsement. Great things happen when you walk fearlessly into the lions den.

BOBO won’t talk to anyone not in love with him. That doesn’t get you any support you don’t already have.

JKFriz

Now – if you’re going to take Richard Mellon Scaife’s “endorsement” at face value, I don’t even know what to tell you. If Ann Coulter suddenly came out for Hillary, would you buy into that? Or would you maybe thing that this MIGHT just be the wingnuts effing with us?

beebop

But if he had endorsed BOBO, you’d be dancing in the streets ….

Hamas endorses BOBO
Nation of Islam endorses BOBO
I’ll take Scaife any time. At least he loves America … and doesn’t spell it with a “K” …
JKFriz

He also spent millions during the 90s accusing Bill and Hillary of everything from sexual harassment to drug dealing to murder. But I’m sure he’s a totally different guy now.

Incidentally, rumor has it that his support maybe motivated by the fact that his ex-wife is supporting Obama. Good for her for leaving this creep.
beebop

There you go again … not relating to the topic at hand … LOL ….

I missed the endorsement of the NEW Black Panther party …
Janis

A divorced white man, if he’s voting vengefully, is more likely to vote against Clinton than for. Who was it said (revealingly so) she reminded him of “everybody’s” first wife standing outside of a probate court?

These guys don’t care for 60 year old business women in pantsuits. If they are going to vote in any way, shape, or form with their ex-wife in mind, they are going to vote against Clinton.

And don’t blame me — you were the one who propped him up for psychoanalysis first.
JKFriz

I think the fact that R.M.S. tried to call the Clintons drug dealers and murders is in fact relevant when considering his endorsement, in that Scaife is obviously a scumbag.

But feel free to go with whatever suits you.
beebop

Barack Obama — through his spokes people — alleged that Bill Clinton is a racist. So much for “friends.” Barack Obama has done everything in his power to tarnish Bill’s legacy. Barack Obama couldn’t clean the shit off the bottom of Bill’s shoes.
simon, too

Ex wife stuff?

Only from the little boys who think like McPeak.

Real business men, successful business men, look at talent, first, are far more mature than the kooks we’re seeing on a daily basis here at NQ.

Obama’s crew is a minority that sees itself as the center of the world, the same analogy can be made of terrorists groups, or even the women hating rappers we’ve been discussing -overblown children, victims of their own infantile narcissism. People keep trying to point to K%% as some sort of player, and really, he’s not. LOOK at all of DC, LOOK at all the money that makes the world run, think of the Russians, and the Chinese, and their input, and Kos, and the rest, are nothing. Yet within the Internet, he was made to think he was important, and from reading him, HE thinks he’s important, certain of his fanbois think he’s important. He’s not, he’s a tool.

Adolescent boys, no matter the origin, only see themselves, and their insecurities. Everyone has been kinda looking at the world through their eyes, because so much of their garbage has dominated the culture, through music, art, politics, movies, books, et al.

But it’s not the truth, it’s just the aspect of human psychology that has propelled American culture since the 1960′s.

And now that they’re no longer producing, they’ll be shown the door, evolutionary wise.

Passe.

JKFriz

Ah, my old Mayor John Street – TIME Magazine’s “Worst Mayor in America” for 2005. Might not want to trumpet that too loudly.

And I guess you missed it when 35,000 of us – by far the largest crowd of the campaign – packed Independence Mall in downtown Philly with Barack on Friday night.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

How many buses came from out of town?

workingclass artist

BINGO THAT…Uppity….Well I’m watchin MCLAUGHLISHOUT NOW on PBS…This will be fun…He is leading the discussion with Will the Real BO stand up….

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

At caucuses too! Busloads of college kids who sponge off their parents–parents who were too busy at work earning money to pay for their education to make it to caucus.

JKFriz

Well – Philly’s a pretty big city (1.5 mil), and Obama’s likely to win it pretty handily, so you do the math.

workingclass artist

I dunno… I lived in Philly….lot of Italians in that city…Catholics, Jews, Polish….Popular mayor suports HRC and The prince won’t pay the walkin $$

JKFriz

Hillary’s actually not paying street money either. Just sayin’. And the building trades here – the folks with the blue-collar membership to which you refer – have endorsed Obama. I’m sure you’re going to impugn the motives of these hard-working folks for some reason or other, though.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Hell no we don’t impugn anybody. That’s your job.

Hillary will win PA. Yes or no???????

JKFriz

Already responded to this – answer’s yes, but by a single-digit margin.

beebop

The unions “endorsed” Obama in Nevada and the rank and file still voted for Hillary unless they were getting strong armed in the casinos … that argument is very facile.

She won in Ohio and are you telling me there are no unions here?

If he has so much union support, why not revote Michigan?

workingclass artist

I think HRC will surprise the li’l prince in Philly….
JKFriz

So – WHY do you think these unions are endorsing Obama rather than Hillary? I’ll be interested to hear this…

beebop

You might want to understand the difference between “endorsements” and “votes.” Please see who won the presidential race in 2004 fuckface.

JKFriz

Your endearing tourettic outbursts notwithstanding, I’ll ask again: why would union leadership endorse Obama?

And yes, I do understand the difference between endorsements and votes – happened here in Philly with Nutter, who had zero union support.

beebop

Bingo. Then you have successfully answered your own question. Congratulations. Please quit torturing people here with your inability to pursue logic. It is very unbecoming.

“Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.”
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan
JKFriz

I mean, you could answer my question, or not. Doesn’t matter a great deal to me.

workingclass artist

ehmmm….. Friz….WHARTON SCHOOL OF BUSINESS AT U OF PENN will be a littlemore than baffled by the prince’s capital gains tax increase answer…..No ?

MessyMarcy

Time Magazine also named Mike Huckabee third best governor a while back. Time Magazine is full of sh*t.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I do think Huck would make a great standup comedian though.

Strawberrybitch

Did you actually say Obama is bigger than the Pope?Uh, do you know how many Catholics you just insulted? And Philly is full of “garlic noses” as Obama called them. Keep it up, how many more of us can you alienate?

workingclass artist

This catholic is insulted…BTW thought the Pope meeting with the victims was sincere and a good start…Overall I’d say it was a positive trip for the Bishop of Rome…I’m just sayin’….

JKFriz

I’m curious where I said that Obama was bigger than the Pope. Please clue me in, here.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Yeah there are only 70 million catholics and 6 million garlic noses in America. Barry doesn’t need them. He’s gonna win by magik.
JKFriz

Please do some research before you hit “post”. Obama has never referred to Italian-Americans as “garlic noses,” as Councilman Jim Kenney – who represents most of South Philly and has endorsed Obama – knows well.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

His “mentor” did. That’s good enough for me. You know, the guy Obama spend twenty years being “advised” by? And I’m Italian and can tell you I don’t know one single Italian who wasn’t offended. I also live in a heavily Catholic city and I can also tell you they think Obama’s church is nuts and so is he.

JKFriz

So, we agree that Obama didn’t say this. Score one for the world of fact-checking, since you folks obviously aren’t going to do it here.

beebop

It is so f’ing funny to hear a troll talk about fact checking …

after the lamented “45 minutes,” we get “Charlie, as I have said before I did not sign the questionnaire ….” that’s just the latest that is not too difficult to dispute.

JKFriz

Hey, when a commenter just completely falsifies a statement, one would hope someone here would speak up. Guess not.

beebop

funny … questionnaire obviously DOES have his handwriting on it and he also was interviews about the questionnaire ..

don’t you think a better answer MIGHT have been …. hey, Charlie, yeah, that reflected my opinion at the time, based on available information …. blah blah blah, but you know, since I began to look more closely at the issues …. blah blah blah.

LYING is so PROVABLE. Gaining insight and exercising judgment is hard to argue with. Lying is just what he prefers to do. It is first nature to him.

That’s all we’re saying here. When confronted with facts he doesn’t like, his first fall back opinion …. (I wasn’t there, I didn’t hear it, oh, yeah, well maybe, yeah, I did) … is to LIE.

workingclass artist

Bingo that Uppity….Catholics know all about that LIBERATION THEOLOGY shit…..Wright just spews a Black seperatist version of it.

Arabella Trefoil

It was Reverend Wright who referred to Italians in terms of “garlic noses.” One of his sermons has a line about “…looking down their garlic noses.”

I would give you the chapter and verse, but I have not my concordance about me at this moment.

beebop

con·cor·dance an alphabetical index of the principal words in a book or the works of an author with their immediate contexts

honey — you can google, right?

gimmeabreak

I’m quite sure Obama called no one “garlic noses”.

Diane

A great amount of those in attendance were bused in from Ohio by the Obama campaign and were paid a measley $50.00 each. They were not all Philadelphians or Pennsylvanians for that matter.

beebop

They sure as hell didn’t come from Cleveland unless they were showing the Cavs game on those buses back! But for a guy who can give Dave Matthews tickets out to compete with President Clinton, I suppose this is entirely within the realm of his smarmy personality.

what’s he going to promise Republicans in the fall?
gimmeabreak

Can I have a link to the evidence of this, please?

salo

The more I think about how the November election will go, Ayers is going to cripple Obama.

It’s a highly unusual association to have straight off the bat. He wasn’t merely a footsoldier in the SDS splinter group. He masterminded the whole damned Underground.

I assume anyone over 55 will have a visceral reaction to this connection–either making Onbama more glamourous or more threatening. Younger voters won’t have that reation of course but they could easily be trained to do so. He’s lucky that no domestic antiwar terror group exists today–because that would now seal Obama’s doom.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I imagine Hamas’ endorsement would be more crippling. I think Obama has also forgotten that besides us, Republicans will be voting in November. Oh yeah, that’s right, I forgot. They are all going to vote for him.

Janis

Hamas he could get away with in a reasonable sense — he could say they’re outside the country, he can’t control who they say they like, sign it up to ulterior motives, etc. And he would strictly be correct. But this? He most definitely had control over whether he went to that guy’s house.

However, emotionally, Hamas is likely to matter as much if not more to the average voter.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Well they said they understand that their friend Barry can’t acknowledge them right now. That’s “Politics”.

beebop

Does Barack “distance” himself from Jimmy Carter?

Talktruth

I hadn’t heard the following, and I wonder if it’s true:

It was at Ayers’ house that Obama’s state Senate candidacy was launched in 1995…”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/the_rules_change_for_obama.html

If so, that would be a(nother) nuclear bomb for Obomba.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Yes, ironically, Alice introduced them to each other. Then Barry stuck it in her nose and took her office. Such a nice fellow. I’m sure she’s working hard for him now. Not.

http://www.dawnellesplace.com Dawnelle

I learn so much coming here!!
verrrrrrrry Interestink!

Mel

Guess who worked at the same law firm in 1988 that Michelle did and where Obama interned for a summer before Harvard and met Michelle?

Bernadette Dohrn, wife of Bill Ayers!

beebop

I just don’t like this much coincidence …. neither will Unca Karl.

Mel

want another one, in 1985 when Obama was in NYC working in harlem as a community organizer, guess who else was in town at Columbia U?

Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadette Dohrn, who was working at the same law firm there at their NYC offices!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I almost didn’t get a higher level security clearance just because I was in the same DORM with SDS people.

Northwest rain

I’m surprised Obama isn’t on the no-fly list.

Could Obama pass a high level security check? He couldn’t throw his temper tantrum and refuse to answer.

Mrs. Obama would also undergo a background check.

There would be a lot of red flags and he would probably be interviewed several times. And the way Obama lies and shifts his story — he wouldn’t pass a security check. This would be for military or civilian security checks — he would not pass.

And this is the guy the DNC (Howie and Donna) are trying to force on the Democrats — why????

Arabella Trefoil

Theoretically, Ayers shouldn’t matter. Aglachelg reasons this point in “Radical Chic,”

http://anglachelg.blogspot.com/

But Ayers has emotional resonance with many people my age (56.) The fact that Ayers was a bomb builder and a member of the Weather Underground is hard to forget. My youthful idealism was destroyed by those sad days. The lessons of history.

workingclass artist

Bingo that ….The ave. age voter in PA is 60 yrs. old.

buckskin711

jkfritz…..who are you trying to bullshit ? obama draws a crowd of 35,000 and the pope only draws a crowd of 25,000…..what next, god comes to town but everybody goes to the obama rally ? get out of the obama toilet, its about to be flushed with all his turds.get out of here and back to the bo camp toilet.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Well the Pope is just a man. Obama is the Messiah.

He will never be president. What part of that don’t you get?

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Oooooo, MUST post your post on some Catholic websites. I mean they weren’t going to vote for a guy who has an insane church anyhow, but what the heck. There are only 70 million of them. THANKS for the Post!

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I could just KISS YOU!
Arabella Trefoil

Hillary is has strong support among Catholics, and it’s about to become even stronger. Is there group that Obama’s supports won’t write off?

workingclass artist

They are CRUCIFYIN THE BABY OBAM on Mclauglishout on PBS right now.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Oh it’s not NICE to mess with the Lord!

workingclass artist

Mclaughlin just told Eleanor Clift to et over her obsession with OBAMESSIAH and quit demonizing Hillary…Ol’ Pat Buchansnort aint on today…He would have had a field day with the debate…

llilytoo

LORD! The hits keep on a coming….where am I? I agree with Mclaughlin OVER Eleanor Clift ? WTF?! You mean the pod people got Eleanor too! We are at a place where the Right wing is more reality based?? Help!

beebop

Yeah … she has it BAD.

I used to correspond with her regularly in a different job. I sent her a quick email after Gerri Ferraro got the knife and never heard back from her. People like Eleanor have lost all of my respect.
workingclass artist

Pat Buchasnort has actually been stickin up for Hillary consistantly through the primaries…I used to think it was the usual strategic cynicism but lately….I think it has more to do with a generational thing…Seems like Ol’ style pols don’t like the New politics…I think some of them might have been hoping Rove was a freak o nature and would pass and are now alarmed they see this shit adopted by the left and the flames fanned by the MSM…..I could be wrong but then again….

JKFriz

Just going on official Independece NHS security estimates, champ.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/18/crowd_breaks_obama_record_in_p.html

But of course, since the media’s totally in the tank for Obama, those were totally fabricated. Only about 17 people there, really.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Why don’t you see if you have any money left in that checking account your parents carry for you and let’s bet on who wins PA.

JKFriz

Sure. I’ll take Hillary by a 9-pt margin. Here in Philly, I’ll take Obama by 40. Everyone knows this is how it’ll play out here, and that’s fine. ; both candidates are building fantastic ground teams for the race in November.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Oh so now you want to be on Hillary? I see.

JKFriz

Wanna take me up on the spread for Philadelphia?

JKFriz

And I don’t think I’ll dignify your childish trust-fund insinuation, thanks. Stay classy!

beebop

Truth can be prickly, as Senator Obama knows … so you and he have something in common
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Trust fund? Hey I just figured a pissant checking account.

http://www.dawnellesplace.com Dawnelle

they never mention that half of Obama’s crowd is under voting age. lmao! The very same goes for his online TROLLS!

Arabella Trefoil

That’s great news, Dawnelle. Obama is building the pre-voting age Democratic base. I call that looking ahead. Not like Hillary, who is going for the old voters, like people over 50 years old. The old voters will be dead soon, so why waste time on them?

(Kidding, jest kidding.)
workingclass artist

Yeah….There were some underage Obatots that showed up at caucuses in Texas and were part of the surge that scewed up the caucuses…

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Buckskin please tell us more about how Obama draws better crowds than the pope please.

I have some live blogs here.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Jfritz, you with us? Where’d you go man? I need you, you raving asshole.

Strawberrybitch

Uppity, Obama supporters…the gifts that keep on giving.

http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

It truly is the truth. I probably have a hundred messages I copied off sites and I use them well. WITH links.

Nag

The longer this nomination battle goes on, the more specific policy we get from our policy wonk, Hillary. And the less we get from Barry Obama, the ‘I’m the mirror of your soul, but I don’t have any actual ideas’ candidate.

Actually, I haven’t heard one iota of Obama’s plan to help his largest constituency, the AA community. Gee, I bet that’s because he doesn’t have one.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I can’t believe the great stuff I get to post places just by copying and pasting obmazoid stuff.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Got some more catholic sites to visit. be back later.
jyotinc

we’re not “damn Americans.” Hillary will be the presidential candidate in November election. She will be our president.
WE R F**KED IF OBAMA WINS

STOP ARGUEING

AND GET TO WORK

MAKE CALLS

I AM GONNA REGISTER TODAY WITH OBAMA CAMP ,,AND MAKE CALLS ON BEHALF OF HIM

AND I AM GONNA INTENTIONALLY MESS UP THINGS SO MEDIA CAN REPORT HOW OBAMA CALLERS ARE HARRASSING OLD FOLKS,,,

THATS WHAT OBAMA SUPPORTERS DO ABOUT HILLARY ,,,

SO WHY NOT MAKE THEM LOOK BAD
Percy

Light a candle for Hillary

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=hrc

Rise Hillary Rise
Die 4 Hillary

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/

GO TO THIS LINK ,,,

THIS IS GOOD SOURCE OF HILL INFO AND NEWS
beebop

You have your answer. Nutter got elected without union support. Please. Enough. You don’t answers. You just like seeing your name in a blog.

Are you even old enough to vote?

JKFriz

That wasn’t my question; it was:

why would union leadership endorse Obama?

Not too hard to see that your response is not an answer to this question. Or, if your supposition is that “organized labor doesn’t matter,” let’s tell that to all the lunchbucket dems you assume are in your camp.

simon, too

Is organized labor still corrupt, mafia ties and all that?

I know, per the article about David Pfouffle, mob ties are common in politics, and certainly in unions.

So, given Obama’s campaign manager is mafia connected, there might be a connection.

Do you think everyone is as stupid as are “Obama’s kids,” giving Jerry’s a run for their money, apparently…
beebop

Once again, you don’t want to talk facts.

The same union “leadership” endorsed Obama and here are the RESULTS in Ohio. I can hardly imagine how much different they might have been if you added the San Francisco “treat” of “bitter” gun owners and Sunday church goers … but I’ll take these results and so would you … now, piss-off!

Union voters made up 34 percent of Ohio’s voters in last night’s Democratic primary, according to exit polls, and 31 percent of the vote in Rhode Island’s Democratic primary.

More than 3 million voters came out in Ohio, of whom more than 2 million voted in the Democratic primary. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) won Ohio 54–44 over Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.). Union voters supported Clinton by a 55–43 margin over Obama.

http://blog.aflcio.org/2008/03/05/union-voters-made-up-one-third-of-ohio-rhode-island-voters/

JKFriz

Still not an answer, champ. My hope is that you’ll explain to me why so many democrats with blue-collar bases have endorsed Obama? They can’t all just be consciously committing political suicide.

beebop

Pull your head out of your ass and read.

The rank and file no longer GIVE A SHIT what leadership says. They don’t vote against their interests regardless of what the union says. Votes are what matter. You get that, right? I’ll take endorsements over a 12% voting martin any day. Set that up on the bar. If she can do that in PENNSYLVANIA — YAHOOOOOOO!!!!

JKFriz

So, your position is “unions don’t matter.” Thanks.

beebop

Union LEADERSHIP is irrelevant … just like the Democratic party leadership.
simon, too

Union leadership has endorsed Obama, not the blue collar rank and file.

Why aren’t you acknowledging this, because it’s true?

Old tactic, here, slick, and it doesn’t work to your advantage.

Ignoring the truth doesn’t minimize anything, just ask Cheney.

Again, as this is all real, how is this working AGAINST obama?

You don’t know, do you?

You know, I was just reading about someone connected to Bush, and the war, and from his comments, he doesn’t see the war as real, for any number of reasons, and this affects his decision making, ie, if I keep making catastrophic mistakes, as I have been, America will fall as a superpower.

Dead on, seven years of this, it’s happening, no lie, truth, no Santa or car mechanic is gonna pull this out without truth, and brilliant people, no PR types need apply.

Now, how has that affected our strategy, such as it is, in Iraq, in our dealings with Iran, say, the Iranians seeing the war as real, the bush bots seeing it as some distant game of HALO? This is simply the PR troll internalized, now the elite think in the same way they spin.

Truth unpleasant? Well, Washington op, you can spin to myself, just pretend it’s media management, and you’re dictating to Fox. Your scope is not unintelligible, you simply need more information to make a decision, meanwhile, the economy is broken, and the Russians and Chinese have forged an alliance, and the army is falling apart. Period.

So how do they fight in Iraq, then, at the level of some stupid, insipid PR team, one that gets confused by the simple recitation of facts from an ordinary NQ poster?

How many people have died because of shitty PR company type thinking, Astroturfed intellects, which infiltrates everything from Obama’s moron trolls, to apparently, Bush’s moron trolls, affecting Iraq, and elsewhere?

Oh, those American elite, what next?!

Do you see what I’m saying, or is it too complex?

Sorry, Susan, OT I know.

I won’t do it again…

simon, too

Well, Washington op, you can spin to myself

spin to YOURself,

Janis

Are you a union member or do you have any union members in your family?

simon, too

If you’re speaking to me, Janis, both my parents were blue collar union, as are many members of my family.

Without a doubt, our lives, MY LIFE, was made better by the unions, my sisters and I were able to attend college because of the standard of living the unions provided, as well as receiving top notch medical and dental care. An apprentice ship was also ours, if we wanted.

Of course, we weren’t penalized by the corruption so many face now, and my parents were given opportunity via the union, not supressed by it.

I have a family member who embraces the union, but despises the corrupt leadership, so I learned to watch, and differentiate.

Mel

This is simply another stupid astroturfing Obama camp statement that is without foundation or merit, because the elite of the unions support Obama, big deal when the actual members support Clinton as proven time and again from Nevada to Ohio!

So go back to camp Obama and get a question or statements that has some substance and not some elite formation of rhetoric!
TeakWoodKite

consciously committing political suicide.

It’s been done before, what is so exceptional about it?

That is if you believe in the “hope and change” BS as BO “twists the knife” in your reality.

My hope is that you’ll explain to me why Are you lacking critical tinking skills and unable to posit one?

you support an immoral terrorist sympathizer for POTUS? Gocd luck with that.

Die 4 Hillary

HillaryRC: http://www.time.com/time/specials/20…723932,00.html I gave her a 100!!! Press submit. Then scroll down on the resulting page and expand the list to see others ahead and after HRC.
BarackHO: http://www.time.com/time/specials/20…723519,00.html
JohnMc: http://www.time.com/time/specials/20…723563,00.html
Gary McGowan

From second paragraph up top:

Hillary’s urban agenda serves as a plan to bring all American cities into the 21st century and reestablish a real partnership between cities and the federal government.

As opposed to:

Michael Bloomberg has been “not-campaigning” for President over the past few months, on the platform that the United States is facing a crisis.[2] The nation’s infrastructure is crumbling, and the Federal government is doing little or nothing about it. A vast construction program must be launched soon to deal with this crisis, and Bloomberg has found a way to pay for it. Instead of asking the Federal government to initiate construction of infrastructure, Bloomberg advises that the cities themselves bypass the Federal government, and beg private corporations to build infrastructure with their own capital, to be financed by the population directly.

[2] Bloomberg appeared at a Jan. 19, 2008 press event in California, along with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rockefeller Foundation head Judith Rodin, and duped Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell, to promote his Presidential platform.

Bloomberg is not irrelevant, but we’ll come to that in due time.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/20/pa-african-american-community-leaders-support-hillary/#more-2233 Peter

If Clinton gets the nom, Bloomberg will enter. If Obama gets the nom, he can pick Bloomberg for VP as Bloomberg may have some creds on the economy and he can bankroll the GE run. I have no idea where Obama would pick up someone with foreign policy experience. Most of it will be a matter of who can best control the media message. IMO

beebop

Bloomberg is not going to enter. That is just nonsense.

Do you have a basis in reality or is this scar the Clinton supporters day?

“Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.”
Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan

simon, too

I was thinking it would affect McCain and Obama.

I’m seeing Bloomberg as a spoiler to them, rather than Clinton.

simon, too

Clinton has forged herself as the democratci candidate, period.

Democratic in that she represents what we, or some of us, as democrats desire in a leader, upholding our platform of fairness, for all.

Those who lean more Republican but can’t abide McCain, and well, Obama, nuff said, brother’s in the hood, would more likely vote for Blomberg, IMO.

beebop

There isn’t any project being built without SERIOUS tax concessions being made by the local cities, counties, etc. What are you smoking?

Tax abatements are funding everything. The cities are BROKE. They can’t possibly be serious.

Wealthy sports teams threaten to take their teams elsewhere without tax breaks ,,,
workingclass artist

Bloomberg will begin his 3rd party with a strong foundation most likely consisting of pissed 2/3 of the traditional democraic base….I’m just sayin’…

JKPutz

Obamabots will be very busy soon
Kevin

great proposals, nothing that sounds implausible or like utter nonsense – but please, could you explain to me how anything in your excerpts will:

“To date, Senator Clinton is the only candidate to directly address the issue of urban violence with an aggressive crime fighting plan that will cut homicides in half”

What, she’s Giuliani now? Conditions in urban cities were bad during the Clinton admins… What, Philly, Detroit, Baltimore – DC for that matter didn’t have high rates of violence then??? Why weren’t some of those plans implemented then when the nation and cities had money to pay for them?

Just curious.

Like I said – it sounds good, but it sounds like words. Which you’ve commented on extensively before.

And that’s not even touching on the absurdity that that Black voters in PA (as elsewhere) are a single monolithic bloc – that has only one set of “community leaders”. And who annointed this coalition… anyway?

Uppity Woman

Where’s Barry’s Plan.

Mel

he forgot it in Indonesia while there learning about foreign affairs!
beebop

It’s probably Hillary’s …. he just hasn’t figured out how to say he agrees with hers without being so blatent on the trail.
Kevin

Ummm… I don’t recall him or you saying he had a plan to “aggressive crime fighting plan that will cut homicides in half”

I asked a question (more than one), and in response I get another question?