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THIS bigoted sermon was the inspiration for Obama’s “Audacity of Hope”?

By SusanUnPC on April 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM in Barack Obama, Civil Rights, GLBT, Hillary Clinton, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

THESE WORDS are what inspired Barack Obama? THESE WORDS are what “jumpstarted’ his “Christian journey”? THESE WORDS are what prompted Obama to name his book The Audacity of Hope? THESE homophobic words in the fourth sentence of Rev. Wright’s sermon?

“Have the audacity to hope for that child of yours,” Wright sang out in the sermon that Obama has said jumpstarted his own Christian journey.

“Have the audacity to hope for that husband of yours. Have the audacity to hope for that home of yours. Have the audacity to hope for the homosexual of yours. Have the audacity to hope for that church of yours. Whatever it is you’ve been praying for, keep on praying, and you may find, like my grandmother sings, There’s a bright side somewhere.”

I had never seen the full context of the phrase, “the audacity of hope,” until I happened to run across those paragraphs while reading an article at NPR. I was stunned. I was speechless. And with more sadness than sarcasm, I must say that I’m sure that all of our GLBT friends and relatives want us to have the “audacity to hope for the homosexual” of ours. Good lord.

I wonder why Barack Obama hangs around so many homophobic “spiritual advisers,” like Rev. James Meeks. Rev. Meeks — who shares with Sen. Obama the distinction of receiving substantial donations from indicted, taxpayer-bilking slumlord Tony Rezko — is named by the Southern Poverty Law Center as “one of the ’10 leading black religious voices in the anti-gay movement’.”

Sen. Obama’s affinity with homophobes may explain why he has refused to grant interviews to, or take questions from, Pennsylvania’s gay newspapers. Hillary Clinton, of course, gladly accepted the invitation from Philadelphia Gay News.

Then there is the story that Hillary told to Ellen Degeneres recently on the Ellen syndicated talk show — a touching story about the relationship between Hillary’s parents and a gay couple who were their neighbors:

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This is part two of the interview on Ellen, which focused on Hillary’s great efforts to fight breast cancer:

You can read all about Hillary’s ambitious plan in her press releases here:

Clinton Unveils Plan To Find Cure For Breast Cancer On The Ellen DeGeneres Show

Plan Includes $300 Million in Increased Funding For Research Annually And Increased Access To Treatment And Screening Services

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And here is part of the interview that Hillary granted to EPGN:

PGN: I assume that you and President Clinton have gay friends. Can you give me your impression of one of those couples that you socialize with, without giving any names? 

Hillary Clinton: Oh my gosh. There are so many of them. I know that Mark [Walsh, Clinton’s national director of LGBT outreach] is on the phone. Let me say this, we don’t get to socialize a lot. But when we do, it’s usually at a big event where we get to see people and spend time with them. This is something I want to do more of as soon as I finish this presidential campaign. It’s sort of hard to pick out people. We go to some events in Washington and New York. I’ve got friends, literally, around the country that I’m close to. It’s part of my life.
PGN: How would you respond to those friends if they asked you why they can’t get married? HC: What I say is that marriage is in the province of the state, which has actually turned out to be lucky for us, because we didn’t have to get beaten on the Federal Marriage Amendment because we could make, among other arguments, that it was such a stretch for the federal government and it was wrong to enshrine discrimination in the Constitution. And that states are really beginning seriously to deal with the whole range of options, including marriage, both under their own state constitutions and under the legislative approach.

I anticipate that there will be a very concerted amount of effort in the next couple of years that will move this important issue forward and different states will take different approaches as they did with marriage over many years and you will see an evolution over time.

PGN: What will you do to improve the immigration policy for same-sex couples? 

HC: I think that that’s one of the biggest problems that we’ve got to contend with. Even states that have civil unions, domestic partnerships or even marriage laws are running into roadblocks with the federal government when it comes to federal benefits and privileges. Of course, immigration is a federal responsibility and I am going to do everything I can to eliminate any disparities in any benefits or rights under our law at the federal level so that all people will have available to them every right as an American citizen that they should, and that would include immigration law.

PGN: What changes would you make toward governments that execute gay people, such as Iran, Egypt and Iraq and numerous other countries in the Middle East and Africa? Will you offer political asylum? 

HC: I would be very strongly outspoken about this and it would be part of American foreign policy. There are a number of gross human-rights abuses that countries engage in with whom we have relations and we have to be really vigilant and outspoken in our total repudiation of those kinds of actions and do everything we can, including using our leverage on matters such as aid, to change the behavior so we can try to prevent such atrocities from happening. … Read all.

In the meantime, Barack Obama dodges and weaves every question about his 20-year relationship with his homophobic pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright — as well as his long relationships with other homophobic “spiritual” advisers.

And he keeps his homophobic friends happy by avoiding interviews and contact with the gay media.

Beelzebud

Oh you mean the same reverend Wright that the Clintons had over to the white house after Bill’s sex scandal?

beebop

Fuck you. And I mean that in the only possible way you can interpret it. No finger on the sly, straight up. Loud and proud. Fuck you.

Kourian

I support the others here. Fuck you. I don’t even mean that in a nice way as I usually do. But you are dirt. Dirt. No more.

I just got through seeing the LA Times coverage of your fabulous leader with his wayward finger and his cocky grin and I have this message for you to give him.

Mr Obama you little piece of shit,

Up to now you had people seeing through you and laughing at you but now your twelve year old behaviour has gone too far. You need a bitch slap, you little worthless runt, and if I see you I will bitch slap you so hard you will cry and beg for a typical white person to comfort you and take away your pain.

You are a disgrace to the United States of America, Obama. You are a disgrace to good honest decent black people everywhere. You are a disgrace to the entire fucking human race.

I believe in poetic justice. I believe karma always has its say in the end. I cannot begin to conceive what poetic karma whack will hit you but I can promise you I will celebrate with the rest of humanity on that day.

Eat shit and die, Barack Hussein Obama. I have never used that expression outright because I think it is too extreme. It is going too far. But you are the vilest thing that has come along anywhere in any context in a long time and one way or another you will be stopped. And I will see that day. And when it comes – when we all hear of your disgrace and demise, no matter how long it takes, we shall raise our glasses and toast the good in humanity you fought so hard to oppress.

Eat shit and die. Take big mouthfuls. Start eating now.

OK boy – now you take that to your leader. He may give you a tip for your trouble. Sleep well.

Beelzebud

Thanks for the enlightened discussion. Hillary would be proud! Eat shit indeed!

simon, too

Eat shit indeed!

Oh, buzzy, have a drink.

On me.

Your troll is obvious, it’s funny, it’s so predictable.

But nothing can dissuade you, because, really, what else would you do? Come back with an original, creative, successful idea?

Of course not, if you could do that, you wouldn’t be trolling civilians, now, would you?

Someone sent me a postcard, Buzzy as a salt shaker, seasoning some lettuce.

Who would put salt on lettuce, I don’t know.

Poor little tool.

Beelzebud

It’s funny. You call me the troll, and yet the replies to my post were nothing but “Fuck you and eat shit”.

Speaking of tools and trolls. I think that is what this site is. A bunch of malcontents that got banned from one too many websites, so they decided to start their own and pretend to be Clinton supporters.

Strawberrybitch

I find it ironic that those you call ‘malcontents that got banned from other pro Obama sites’ don’t ban you from a pro Hillary site. In my past experience, it was republican websites that banned people they disaree with. But notice you’re still here to annoy the hell out of us.
simon, too

A bunch of malcontents that got banned from one too many websites, so they decided to start their own and pretend to be Clinton supporters.

Actually, I think that’s how they started the CIA.

And no one is pretending to support Clinton, with the exception of the half wit, private first class K&& wannabe trolls, and flotsam.

I support Clinton.
TeakWoodKite

that got banned from one too many websites

Working artist, you are right,see what I mean?
The firing squad comes after being banned. And who is the one using this synatx? An Obama supporter.
lifelong dem leaving party

why are you here then? or have you been banned from all other sites?
chris

I haven’t been banned anywhere jackass. And a lot of others here have never been banned anywhere. So what next jackhole?

You are a troll, the others are regulars here and took offense to your trolling

I agree with them, that the best you deserve is a good Fuck You.

stodghie

stfu! your buddy spreads hate and now it is back at you. that is just a small amount of the hate that will come back round to mr. obama in the ge. heck of a job barry. the repubs are gleeful thanks to people like you.

Beelzebud

Does the truth hurt?

deke

What truth I don’t know what you are talking about and I don’t think you do either.
Thanks for raising the level of discussion.

Beelzebud

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/photograph-of-bill-clinton-and-rev-wright-surfaces/

Like I said. Does the truth hurt?

TeakWoodKite

Does the truth hurt?

I don’t know; how much pain are you in?
mimi

I’m going to tell you the very same thing I told someone who had the audacity to email me that photo:

“It works both ways, pal!”

What does it say about a minister, who was called upon to serve in a pastoral/spiritual capacity to a sitting president in a time of need and then turn around and disparage his wife, the former First Lady of the United States in his own pulpit? What kind of minister does that?

Apparently the kind that Obama let’s baptize his children.

Patrick Henry

Mimi…If you are talking to BeezelBub..He Od’d and passed out about an hour ago…He is one of tha BAMA…BONGERS…

http://makethemaccountable.com Carolyn Kay

Bill Clinton didn’t sit in a pew for 20 years, listening to Rev. Wright’s hate-America speech without objecting.

As far as we know, Clinton only met Rev. Wright that one time, and it was at a gathering of many ministers. To consider it equivalent to Obama’s close relationship with the Rev. is ludicrous.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

Beelzebud

Oh and another followup. You thank me for raising the level of discussion. The first response to my post was, and I quote, “Fuck you”.

You wouldn’t know what raising the level was.

deke

It was your posting that brought on that response and I agree it was uncalled for but you still haven’t make a cognitive response here. So Bill had his picture taken with Wright. And?

Beelzebud

The point is that the Clinton’s never had a problem with Wright.

But I guess if Sean Hannity or Bill O’Rielly has a problem with him, then thats good enough for you.

deke

I suppose you know have insight into Bill Clinton’s head. I guess he was there because someone recommended he be there. The evidence is Clinton didn’t know who he was. Besides your whole argument is a false equivalency.
What you are saying is because in 1939 the prime minister of England had his picture taken with Adolf Hitler, therefore the Prime Minister of England was a Nazi.

Beelzebud

Did the prime minister of England send Hitler a thank you note that read like this:

Dear Pastor Wright:

Thank you so much for your kind message.
I am touched by your prayers and by the many expressions of encouragement and support I have received from friends across our country.

You have my best wishes.

Sincerely,
Bill Clinton

deke

The depth of your knowledge and understanding of framing an argument are breath taking.
Why don’t you talk about something you know about, like American Idol.
Strawberrybitch

Wow, hey! I got a form letter just like that from Lee Majors (The Six Million Dollar Man) when I was five. I had it framed and everything.
alexei

A form letter that was it
Catriley

LOl – yeah, and I bet there are 100 others notes just like that floating out there. You’ve obviously never worked in politics, have you? Those are standard notes that they write.. bread and butter notes.
ces

I got a letter from Obama.

I threw it out.

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

deke regard him as what he is. a pimple on your ass that will go away. Perhaps with some help.
Ellen

No he was there with 100 other distinguished and noteworthy clergy from all over the U.S. – he was considered to be mainstream and influential enough to be invited to the clergy breakfast where Clinton apologized for monica and asked forgiveness. So even though Clinton may not know Rev Wright personally, the White House evidently thought well enough of the man to invite him to the forgiveness breakfast

sjc-tx

Bill Clinton didn;t go to his church and jump amd jibber either…

Asshole. Go back to your cave.

JKFriz

Ah, the racial enlightenment of the No Quarter crowd. I do so appreciate your collective ability to police your own.

ritamary

This site was around long before most people ever heard anything about Barack Obama or Rev. Wright. I always found good information on this site and that is why I continue to come here. I have never been banned from any website. Why don’t you go back to where ever you were trolling before you found us?
Nathan

What truth? He invited some pastor to the WH (Wright was the one; where’s the link on Meekes?), while Obama considered him a spiritual advisor?
stodghie

yeah the truth hurts you, fxxx!

Mel

No asshole troll, the same Rev Wright Obama spent 20+ years worshiping!

Beelzebud

Yeah, and the one the Clinton’s invited to the White House to council Bill.

Kathy

Bill invited hundreds of ministers from all over the United States to minister to him. Wright happened to be invited to a breakfast with several and I mean several other pastors. I bet that is the only picture you will ever have of Bill and Wright together.

Beelzebud

So if Wright is an America hating racist, as you guys proclaim, then what is Bill Clinton doing with him in the White House shaking the man’s hand?

It’s because Bill Clinton is smart enough to know that Wright is neither.

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Shaking his hand is obviously equivalent to listening to his spew for 20 years and calling him your inspiration. Jesus Beezlebub you are really cruising for an invitation out of her aren’t you? What happened? Did Kos ask all you B Stringers to hit the road or something?

Eurogirl70

Sorry but the preacher who counseled Bill was actually Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr. By the way, not long after he was offering Bill Clinton spiritual counseling, it came to light that the dear old Rev. Jackson had a “baby mama”. She had worked for his coalition and he used $250,000 to pay her off for all intents and purposes. He has an illegitimate daughter who is now in her very early teens. This may also explain why the dear old Rev. Jackson’s wife, unlike Rev Jackson and his namesake son Jesse Jackson Jr., is a very strong Hillary Clinton supporter.

Eurogirl70

By the way, Beelzebud, I wonder if Michelle Obama feels that women like Coretta Scott King and Mrs. Jackson should be allowed to participate in the political process at all. If you will recall, dear old Michelle said that Hillary “couldn’t keep her own house in order, so how could she be expected to keep the White House in order.” Well, there have been numerous women, Eleanor Roosevelt, Jacqueline Kennedy, Ladybird Johnson, Coretta Scott King, and Mrs. Jackson who all had filandering husbands. They all accomplished great things, and were great assets and inspirations to this country.

If you would even look at the picture of Bill Clinton with Rev. Wright you would notice that he is not even looking at him. The dear old Rev. is staring up at Bill while BIll is looking off at an angle at something that has his attention.

Having your picture with someone does not mean that you know them or that they know you. Until you can produce evidence that Bill Clinton, like Obama, was offering up tithing monies to the tune of $20,000 and was a member of the church, shut the fuck up!!

TeakWoodKite

27K to be precise.

But hey, what is 7k compared to a house for BO and a house for Wright, or Obama making toasts to Auchi at Rezko’s house.

You know there are photos of all kinds things. Even Bin Laden at the farm…

What do you think a photo of Obama making a toast to Auchi is worth on the open market?
mimi

“I wonder if Michelle Obama feels that women like Coretta Scott King and Mrs. Jackson should be allowed to participate in the political process at all. If you will recall, dear old Michelle said that Hillary “couldn’t keep her own house in order, so how could she be expected to keep the White House in order.”

You gotta love smug women who make statements like this. It’s hard to believe that any woman alive in the 21st century can be this silly and self-hating. And then Michelle NObama opens her mouth.

Let me get my stones ready…..

Mel

And you know this by having access to the personal invitation troll?

So guilt by mass association is the order of the day, then Obama must be tied to 911 since Obama and Ayers funded via the Woods Fund a terrorist months prior to 911!

Stupid can be as stupid as you troll!
stodghie

he wasn’t asked to counsel bill, little fellah. he was simply just another rev with a very large group. rev wrong is not that important or desireable to right thinking people. but you, heck go worship hatred. that’s fine. it is still hatred and low rent bullsxxx.

bambi’s brother

that’s obama’s defense, he may be homophobic but so’s Hilary? he may look down on blue collar workers, but so does Hillary? Are you now going to claim she got ‘solutions’ from a worse homophobe, and that it’s really means curing homosexuals? I’m trying to figure out here what you mean, her too, is hardly a defense.
http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Yes and he played his GODDAMN AMERIKKKKA tape for them and they cheered right? ANd then they started going to his church so they could listen to more of it for a couple of decades. And then they read the Hamas Manifesto with him. All righty then.

Back to lucid discussions, as I mentioned in another thread I do not know of one gay person who supports Barack Obama. They believe he belongs to a homophobic church and want no part of him.

TeakWoodKite

After my son heard it heard the “GODDAMN AMERIKKKKA , he wanted nothing to do with BO.

AF catfish

Was he one of Obama’s youth supporters till then? Very interesting.

TeakWoodKite

No, I can’t say had made up his mind on any candidate at that point.

Being that he is subjected to the hypocracy of those who would twist the words and spirt of Jesus’s teachings, he is sensitive to the biggotry pointed his way.

It just made up his mind.

deke

That sounds so republican. Why is it when you are always arguing for your candidate you have to bring in some scandal that the republicans and Richard Mellon Scaife created to support your candidate. I am sorry but you have to explain to me what point you are trying to make in support of your candidate.

Beelzebud

What sounds Republican is using Fox News to smear a Democrat’s preacher. The point I am making is that Bill Clinton never had a problem with Wright. The right-wing has a problem with him. Fox News has a problem with him.

Richard Mellon Scaife. you mean the guy Hillary had a meeting with a few weeks back?

deke

I suppose you know for a fact that the Clinton Campaign has told Fox News to smear Obama preacher. Fox News I guess has never smeared Clinton.
I you know whats in side Bill Clinton’s brain and have inside information that they approved of Rev Wright. And if Fox News reports that the Mets beat the Phils 4 to 2 that is a right wing conspiracy.
The facts are the facts irregardless of who reports them. I think you have worn out that argument even the Obama campaign abandoned that because they were looking silly.

As far as Richard Mellon Scaife please know what you are talking about before you speak. RMS is the owner of the Pittsburgh Tribune a notorious ant-Clinton bordering on slanderous newspaper. The paper’s editor requested an interview with Hillary and granted that request. Do you understand so far or are we going to fast for you. During the interview Scaife requested to sit in. No nefarious meetings just an interview which was published in the paper. They ripped her anyway.
TeakWoodKite

He got play on all the alpabet channels Beelzebud are you sent by Lucifer himself?
stodghie

the list of VERY BAD OBAMA BUDDIES continues to get longer and longer. it reflects on obama. the only group just as clueless are the dim leaders like pelosi, reid, kennedy, and dean. obama will get his axx handed to him in november and the dims will insure their numbers will not go up very much. heck of a job barry and obama cult members!

JoeySky

God Bless America!! NO NO NO!!! God Damn America. The US-KKK-A.

Obama has been sitting in that church by his choice for 20 years.

And this is the best defence you can come up with for Obama?

Throwing garbage in Bill Clinton?

C’mon, I’m disappointed. you can do better!
http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

Hello,

“Clever” one-liners are incapable or erasing the whole rancid Obama package of 20 years with Wright, naming his book after this homophobic sermon, Rezko, Auchi, Ayers, a corrupt campaign of intimidation and threats and god knows what else, etc.

It is disingenuous and an unfair comparison you make.

There are plenty of reasonable people here willing to debate you, but you will have to provide more than a one-liner drive-by posting.

Obama shows the poorest of judgment. Would you sit in that church for 20 years and pick that man as your mentor? Most people would not. They would find another church.

I don’t know about one visit to the Whitehouse, but I am certain the Clinton’s did not know of Wright’s past. If you have evidence they did know, please provide it. I would think if there was such evidence it would have come out long ago.

Any person or church that scapegoats certain groups in furtherance of the ego of the pastor and funding is not something mainstream America wants anything to do with. Obama is out of touch with mainstream America which would explain him dissing the people in Pennsylvania like he did.

G-N-G
Catriley

Beelzebud- I rarely respond directly to trolls. But I think the term “troll” has worn out its welcome. I think maggot defines it better. Universally detested and repulsive little creatures that grow up into universally detested and repulsive adult creatures.

Everyone already knows that Rev. Wright attended an event, along with many other clergy. If I were you, I wouldn’t begin to play that “guilt by association game”, not with that candidate of yours.

Hey.. as all of you guys have been proclaiming this week that “you don’t need us!” to win the GE, then why are you here?

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

Drive-by one-liner trolls or maggots or whatever term you wish to use are afraid of any real debate, apparently.
mimi

“Everyone already knows that Rev. Wright attended an event, along with many other clergy.”

The point being: why attend an event, shake hands with someone you despise and clearly had intentions of demeaning his wife from your pulpit?
What kind of a minister does such a unchristian-like thing?

Oh yeah, the free food and drink was too good to pass up.

workingclass artist

In the spirit of internet onfessions….I’m Mark Foley and I’ve been posting comments under the alias of BEELZEBUD….My therapist has been trying to help me deal with my HYPOCRISY and how this has impacted my life and driven me to the sidelines….I apologize…suffered a relapse please ignore all future comments as I’m getting new meds to help conrol compulsive trolling….BTW CAN I MEET ANY POLITICALLY CONCERNED MINORS ON THIS SITE ? oooopps…..bad boy again…..

beebop

He won’t take a picture with Mayor Newsome in California either, despite the fact that some of the same people donate to their campaigns.

It amazes me that Nancy Pelosi can just ignore this.

Janis

Not when she’s up for re-election she won’t be able to.

beebop

It’s a shame she is so obvious playing fast and loose with her constituents. What a tool. But people will notice.

Janis

Yeah. Queers have LONG MEMORIES, and they don’t forget who the turncoats are. They can’t afford to.

Catriley

Even more egregious is that Obama refused that photo after ASKING Newsome to hold that fundraiser for him! (Of course, it begs the question as to WHY Obama was holding a Senate fundraiser in California, for a position representing Illinois)

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

He loves money. That’s why he laid down with Rezko, Auchi, et al.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

Two types of ways of being:

Service to self/ego/profit = Obama.

Service to others/empathy/community = Hillary.

Whom do people want, someone selfish or someone selfless?

Ciao,

Garlic-Nosed Guitarist
JKFriz

He loves money. That’s why he laid down with Rezko, Auchi, et al.

I presume the relative poverty of the Clintons will show them to be different in this regard, eh?

troy m

One among many, Beelzebud, on among many.
alibe

I didn’t quite think Rev wright was slurring homsexuals in that statement. I thought Wright had a big aids thing going on in his church. Not to excuse Obama from his stands….especially the tour with that reformed gay preacher, Donnie McClurkin, he went around with.

Janis

I doubt he cares about AIDS and gay people. AIDS and the black community … well, yes in his way. Not enough to do anything other than spread lies about it.

Donald from Hawaii

Please don’t go there. I’ve worked as a volunteer HIV counselor for nonprofit support networks a number of years. It is a fact that the AIDS epidemic hit the Chicago black community particularly hard. Rev. Wright undoubtedly presided over the funerals of many victims, and counseled their survivors.

Suffice to say that the good pastor offered up in anger some questionable and outlandish statements. Let’s not compound the ill will by retorting in a mean-spirited and equally foolish manner that otherwise good and decent people inevitably come to regret. Remember, until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes …

I think it would be a far better use of our time to ask Sen. Obama what if anything did he proposed specifically, in his capacity as chair of the Illinois state senate’s health committee in 2003-04, to direct sorely-needed resources toward dealing with this HIV / AIDS crisis in his own community. Of course, that question could well prove to be rhetorical.

Janis

Point taken, and I am duly admonished. But I just can’t see how spreading those foul lies would have done any good for anyone. What other lies has he spread? Has he counseled safe sex? Safe sex for gay men and lesbians as well, in his community? Told people the ways they can and can’t get HIV? One lie falsely spread can undo the good of twenty truths when it comes to a virus like this — all it takes of one mistake.

I just don’t know if he really understands or feels remorse at this, or if he wants to do constructive things to help. PLENTY of priests have duly and ponderously stood over the bodies of people in their flock who died, intoned all the words, and felt nothing.

I just can’t make assumptions about him. I would need to know absolutely and without any ambiguity where he stood and stands on this before I’m going to cut him ANY slack.

workingclass artist

Agree….There has been a fair amount of Hate the Sin…Love the Sinner BS….Prejudice is Prejudice….

flyarm

….it seems to me no Democrats should be supporting Obama since he has promoted anti- gay People and toured with them in South Carolina..the likes of singers Mary Mary and the ex-gay Donnie McClurkin Oct 26, 2007, it couldn’t get much more anti gay than that or homophobic.

and do “Remember, until you’ve walked a mile in their shoes …”

All of my gay friends were appalled by Obama over that manipulation and political stunt..and it ” was a complete” political manipulation.

I can not imagine anyone who has gay friends or friends who have had HIV infected family members or friends, would support this vile man. He is counter to every value i have had for a lifetime in Democrats.

As a flight crew for 33 years of a major airline, many of my friends and co-workers died of AIDS, and were allowed to die because of political manipulations of a horrible disease.They were White, Asian,of all religions, and African American. Male and female.

I can not stomach another president of this nation, that would play such Political games with so many peoples lives for political gain..Obama disgraces the Democratic party values and those who have worked for this party for so long for equality and compassion.

All I see out of Obama and those who he has surrounded himself with are people of hate..intolerant people of hate.

One can try as they might to dress it up as something else , but I see it, as it is ..hate..

I believe I have seen enough of that to last me the rest of my lifetime, I will not stay in the democratic party a day longer if Obama is our nominee, through manipulation and hate and deceit. And unfortunately that is what is happening in the dem party to date.

From a 2004 Elected Democratic Delegate from the State of Florida.The State Obama won’t count our votes and the DNC is manipulating this election with!

fly

workingclass artist

In my humble opinion….You can’t care about AIDS in any community unless education and other prevention tools are offered. As long as the emphasis is on MORALITY we will continue to kill the young….
stodghie

JUST WHAT HAS OBAMA EVER DONE FOR THE AA COMMUNITY? come on obama supporters, we are waiting. the answer is not one dxxx thing! and he won’t in the wh. you are not that important to him. money and power are all he cares about. love america? naw, he is a rev wrong follower. he has been listening to anti american comments from his mom’s knee to that black poet mentor in hawaii. it didn’t start with rev wrong.

jangles

I had the same impression that he was basically saying have the audacity to hope for the welfare of a homosexual about whom you care and are concerned. That is rather open to interpretation—hope that they will be ok or, as I think it was interpreted here, hope that they may be “cured”. While the Rev. probably meant the latter, this passage is not damning like his KKKAmerica or god damn America etc. I do not like Obama; I think he is worse than G. W. Bush but I also like to try not to say or do some of the things both Bush and Obama do that cause me to dislike them intensely. So I do not want to read a lot of meaning in between lines.

workingclass artist

Jangles….I think perusing some of the excellent Gay Press out there could open your eyes a little….Loved the recent Blank Front page in the Philly press because THE LIL’ PRINCE would’t give them any interviews. It was CLASSIC…On one side OBAMESSIAH’S photo and then Blank. On the other side HRC’S photo and an extensive interiew. Refusing to deal with a sizable number of the traditional democratic base is a big mistake. BTW the Village Voice Wayne Barrett has been doing EXCELLENT COVERAGE. But then again I’ve always enjoyed reading the Voice.

sandyR

Oh God, here we go… A conversation about people’s lives and rights peppered with the input of the ignorant. Terrific.
Well, for those of you who have souls:

Rev. Meeks (Obama’s buddy): gives sermons where gay folks are routinely roasted in hell. He also likes to scare the shit out of little children (sexuality unknown) by telling them that they will go to hell.

Rev. Wright’s Trinity Emporium of Hate: choir master
was found brutally murdered. Trinity’s response was “well, he did lead an openly gay lifestyle…”

Donnie McClurkin: poster boy for “Jesus cured me of my homosexuality..” On the campaign trail for Obama even after huge uproar from gay community.

Larry Sinclair: we don’t even know what the hell is going on there.

Gay Newspapers: Obama won’t give interviews to them.
One paper even ran a big blank space to show where the interview would have gone, if Obama had deigned to give it.

Now all this anti-gay behavior and close affiliations, while Obama is blowing smoke to the gay communtiy about how he is there buddy, their pal, their champion.

sandyR

Oh, by the way.. sorry if that intro was a little harsh. I was just assuming that from the first comment that there would be plenty more. No one else has taken that tact. So, my bad.

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Well you certainly pretty much wrapped up the question, that’s for sure.
hillarysmygirl

I didn’t see anything harsh about it, it’s the truth! And the truth sure hurts the Obamazoids, that’s why they come here and lash out at us (that and the $1.50 an hour from the Obama campaign). Some people’s souls are easily bought…

The more I see Obambi, the less I like him. If he were truly Chauncy Gardner, I’d like him a lot more, because at least he would be a true innocent. But he’s not. His performance at his speech post-debate was stunning…I can’t believe his followers think he’s funny or cute or hip or whatever it is they like about him. I don’t need a hip guy/friend President who deep in his heart holds so much anger and hate, I need someone who will come in an get the job done. People seem to forget that the job of President is about being our public servant. And no one is more willing to be of service to us than Hillary. All I can see Obama wanting to serve is his own ego.

beebop

According to the CDC:

In the United States, the HIV/AIDS epidemic is a health crisis for African Americans. At all stages of HIV/AIDS—from infection with HIV to death with AIDS—blacks (including African Americans) are disproportionately affected compared with members of other races and ethnicities

Paul

If Blacks screw around with no protection, they cannot blame the government. May be also they do not have the immunity to avoid AIDS.

South Africa has one of the largest AIDS epidemic, you will blame USA for that also.

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Let me tell you, if I were young and available today I would make guys where three condoms and duct tape before I let them near me.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

I’m laughing. Boy, back in the day, when we were young …

Patrick Henry

Uppity…Best chuckle I had today..U Rock..!!

ginaswo

ROTFLMAO!!!!
hillarysmygirl

LOL!!

Janis

It’s not a good thing to be too hardassed about it. Poor and underinformed communities can want to avoid it all they like, but misinformation can undo it all. ONE piece of false information can undo the good of twenty accurate pieces. It’s not just a matter of “screwing around.”

workingclass artist

Look….Until the churches ( main stream that is ) get over making HOMOSEXUALITY a moral disease this shit ain’t goin to get better…My twin brother is Gay and I’m in the Arts, ( A profession that lost a great many to the illness ) and I lost a lot of friends to this disease…The AA community gives a lot of sway to the churches…These preachers have a RESPONSIBILITY. Blaming the US is a diversion to avoid taking proper responsibility with education. Historically the majority of Churches have fallen down on this one. OBAMESSIAH is afraid to meet the Gay Press….I would love to see how uncomfortable he is in a meeting with Barney Frank…For a man like OBAMESSIAH it’s easier to be pals with the gay gals….gay men ? ….Hmmm………TYPICAL HOMOPHOBE PERSON…..

Janis

There’s also the fact that in some poorer areas in the city, people have a higher incidence of dying from gunshot wounds there than in Iraq. It’s really easy to take a “what the fuck” attitude in an environment like that. In that case, ending poverty (which Hillary has considered important enough to make a cabinet position to deal with) is a huge part of ending the AIDS epidemic in the poorer (urban and rural both) communities.

Talktruth

Lanny Davis is on Hannity now talking about Wright.
Talktruth

He’s gone. Apparently he wrote an article for the Wall Street Journal saying he didn’t understand why BO stayed in that church for 20 years.

Lanny Davis, for those who don’t know, is a Clinton advisor.

beebop

what is the publication date for the WSJ article?
beebop

wait … do you hear it? one …. two …. three …. this is Hillary being negative, right? I mean, you see it? I mean, left alone, it’s not a bad thing, right? It’s only bad because she points it out? I’m still trying to wrap my head around that logic …

OxyCon

Hey everybody!
Did you know that “white folks’ greed runs a world in need”?
Barack knows!
Barack knows because Rev Wright said so in the first “sermon” Obama ever heard. The “sermon” that lead him to cry and join Wright’s “church”.
Of course, I’m sure that Obama would have quit the “Church” if he heard something controversial. /snark

Janis

That man is insane. If he EVER studied the politics of power transition in some African countries, he’d know better than to say that. All-black governments are as rapacious and vicious to starving people as anyone else; they don’t see themselves as a homogeneous bloc even though ignorant Americans of all colors do.

Africa is a cornucopia, the most magnificent breadbasket of the globe, the cradle of humanity, peopled with some of the most talented, brilliant, gifted people that have ever lived, and filled with the most gorgeous places, the most breathtaking languages in the world, the richest and most robust nations in the world. And it is in DIRE need of its OWN leadership. It’s a goddamned tragedy, an outrage. And it knows no color.

workingclass artist

Ehmmm………Wright is just spoutin the same ol’ Black Separatist stuff….
That is an underlying theme of Black Liberation Theology… I’m not judgin’…I’m just sayin…..

Janis

I understand that it comes from somewhere, and I do think that the anger is justified … but it’s no better for the community than it would have been had American women decided to base their entire lives on the SCUM Manifesto.

The anger is justified, and I don’t doubt there are valuable things to be taken from BLT, but it’s not a complete way of approaching the world, and without leavening from reality, it’s not useful at all. Like the SCUM Manifesto.

Talktruth

The publication date was 4/9/08. Here’s the link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120770107738700007.html?mod=Letters

And I guess he’s not an advisor, “just” a supporter and contributor.
http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

Great, another reason to dislike Obama and his spiritual advisers. As if we needed any more reasons.

I think Obama should try and explain his position to the GLBT women and men serving our country overseas in harm’s way. I’m sure they would love to hear how that homophobic sermon that inspired his book holds the key to Kool-aid Nirvana for anyone except GLBT people, garlic-nosed people, Jewish people, typical white people, etc. Doesn’t leave too many people!

Oh yeah, he doesn’t have a position on anything even remotely controversial. And GLBT equality — that’s such a tough one for him as standing up for equality for all peoples is only something wise empathic leaders do, like our friend Hillary.

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

The gay community seems to know what he is and they don’t like it. They generally make a point to know these things about candidates. Their own security depends on it.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

Are we really this bass-ackwards [sic] still scapegoating GLBT people for ego/profit?

Puke!

Yeah I know, fundies and extremists need to have “enemies.”

But as I wrote quite long ago, “When one person or group suffers, we all suffer.”

Hillary gets that, she is a fellow empath.
workingclass artist

That is true….In the Firing Line ( historically speaking ) I think Gays usually are assigned Row 5 or maybe 6…..
hillarysmygirl

Uppity, I live in a predominantly gay community and have unfortunately witnessed gay bashing. I’m so inspired by the lesbian and gay community for being so brave and courageous to live openly out. The other day, I saw a handsome gay man in a convertible with the top down and a Hillary sticker on his bumper. I was so proud and happy. As a woman, I don’t have the courage to wear my Hillary gear or put a sticker on my bumper in public, for fear of what the Obamazoids might do to me. But that doesn’t stop me from voting for her, campaigning for her or donating to her campaign. I will feel more secure with her as my President, and I agree with you that the gay community doesn’t make their decisions lightly either.

http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

You know, with that username of yours, some of us may get a mental picture of you with a bulbous nose.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

Like that Monty Python sketch with the guy named “Luxury Yacht” that was spelled “Throat-warbler mangrove”?

(The guy was wearing a huge fake nose and I think it was bulbous.)

I’m actually a Martian but my antennae are clipped.

Patrick Henry

My Favorite Martian…!!

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

At least us Martians are smart enough to leave a church led by a racist homophone.

Janis

I’m sitting here desperate for a pun based on the term “racist homophone,” but alas nothing.

If I smoked, I’d talk about lighting up a fag, but I don’t.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

At least us Martians are smart enough to leave a church led by a racist homophobe.

TeakWoodKite

Live long and prosper.

How many strings does a Martian guiter have?

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

Well since there is no atmosphere to speak of on Mars, and vibrating strings need air to be heard, we don’t use strings.

Special Martian guitars, you wouldn’t understand.

gayactivist

Obama is a homophobe, as are McClurkin, Kirbyjon and Reverend Wright. Be sure to tell everyone in the LGBT community, for Obama is not our friend.

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I am wondering, has the gay community confronted him on these issue in public? Put him on the spot?

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

Good idea!

This blog post needs to be widely disseminated to GLBT groups and blogs.

I did some activism for GLBT youth in the mid-1990′s after I found out the maltreatment of GLBT people, especially youth was contributing to their low self-esteem. This low self-esteem made them more likely to engage in unsafe sex (contributing to HIV and other STD spreading), suicide, homelessness and prostitution for survival since their own families would many times ostracize them and throw them out, being harassed at school, violence and abuse, etc.

I had co-produced a video program for pre-teens on HIV/AIDS and during my research found out about the plight of GLBT youth. I wanted to produce a video for this group on self-esteem and suicide prevention, but never could raise the money. But I did try and help here and there in other ways.

So I am very sensitive to this issue and applaud folks on this blog for their concern!

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

I forgot to add “substance abuse” as stemming from low-self esteem…

workingclass artist

I live in a predominaltely Gay neighborhood….Message is out believe me. The only gays supporting hm are young ones who like the young girls have no idea or respect for the feminist or gay political history…( sigh )

gayactivist

John Aravosis sold out the gay community with his endorsement of Obama. He has betrayed us for a few Obama dollars. He is a joke.

Fredster

You are so incredibly right. He was royally pissed off at first about the McClurking thing and then all of a sudden, presto-chango he’s on the other side. Aravosis is an embarrassment to the gay community. I stopped going to his site long ago and then deleted it out of my “blogs” folder so I wouldn’t accidentally hit it and give him a hit on the site.

no more obama

Obama refusing to have his picture taken with SF mayor Newsome was enough for me. At least with the Republicans if you’re gay you know what you’re getting. Obama scares me more than any Republican.
Dawnelle

Oddly enough the ONLY 2 people that I know that I would consider my friends (still) are voting or have voted for BO and they are both Gay men. Even though one did originally want Edwards.

The only other friend that is a Lesbian is strongly behind Hillary! (yay) and hangs out over at Guerrilla Woman.

I (by choice and comfort) have no Republican friends at present. I’m afraid I’d offend them right about now. LOL But I also offend BO’s lemmings as I am one of those “typical white women”

ARGH! that still sticks in my paw!
that and his shoulder brush off (that was blindly aloof)

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I have republicans in my family who support Hillary. There were alsi a few Democratic holdouts for Obama until the Garlic Nose tape. That pretty much sewed it up. Now they wouldn’t vote for him if he were the last one standing. There is just no end to the bigotry of that church.

Dawnelle

I have no clue Uppity.

It’s worth asking. Do the LOG Cabin Republicans still exist?

I didn’t mention that I was also a straight “typical white woman”

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I never understood log cabin republicans. I mean talk about voting against your own best interests. However in this case, like with us typical white women, if Obama is the candidate, McCain will probably get the votes just to get rid of Obama. McCain isn’t going to work for us but at least he won’t try to damage us. To me,there is something sinister about Obama and women, particularly white women. I am not going down in flames just because he can’t resolve his relationship with his grandmother. Screw him.

Dawnelle

maybe not his Granny but his MOM who apparently was already pregnant with him when she married his father?

Legitimacy issues? I think he has PLENTY!
laurie

Uppity, how do you reconcile McCain’s unwavering anti-choice philosophy? He would personally smash Roe v. Wade if he could, and certainly will do all he can toward populating an anti-choice Supreme Court. Just curious about your thoughts on this. I have a 2 year old daughter and the thought of our government taking away women’s control over their own bodies makes me shudder even more than thinking about President Obama.
workingclass artist

From what I’ve been able to understand…..Many Log Cabins are trying to change their own party from within….Most of the ones I know are fiscal conservsatives and see this as a way to influence the GOP, which although they ( GOP ) would love to cannot seem to get rid of the log cabins or get them to shut up….

august

Gay person here. My partner and gay friends are all for Hillary. Of course there are snobs like Aravosis, Sullivan, and certain members of the wealthy, gay white male elite that are for Obama (with regret, I include Rachael Maddow in this group too). But the rest of us know a homophobe when we see one. Hillary is hugely popular with gays and lesbians. Who among us wouldn’t identify with someone whose image is constantly distorted by lies, whose personal life is the subject of constant scrutiny, who is considered to be a dangerous enemy of tradition? She knows where it’s at. She GETS us and we GET her.

I had not read that quote before. It is very damming, combined with the McClurkin atrocity that he never apologized for.

How many people can this guy offend? If you want to enrage a gay person, make sure you tell them you are praying for them to be cured. LOL. God, Obama is an idiot.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

How many people can this guy offend? If you want to enrage a gay person, make sure you tell them you are praying for them to be cured. LOL. God, Obama is an idiot.

Great points, I especially like your last paragraph.

Obama comes from a tradition via his mentoring of “divide and conquer” for ego and profit. Sadly this includes many groups of people.

I doubt in his heart Obama is much different than his mentors. And that scares the living crap out of me. I’ve had some mentors that after a while revealed a side I just couldn’t agree with and I left them. Obama does not have good judgment, plain and simple, to stay with these bad mentors and spiritual advisers for all these years.

Northwest rain

Mentors — this is the KEY to understanding who Obama is.

Some individuals learn from their mentors and go on and become something much greater than their mentors. Obama can be only as good as his mentor — he isn’t able to transcend his mentors teaching or examples.

Obama picked specific mentors — and this also tells us a lot about what sort of leader Obama will be. Right now I really don’t see much leadership at all from Obama.

It would seem that Obama is very loyal to his mentors.

Beelzebud

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5909

LOL

Fox News stepped into a can of worms with this guy. You should all watch the video since you’ve taken the Fox News trail to smearing Democrats.

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Nobody clicks on your links, Mephistophiles Wannabee.

Beelzebud

That doesn’t surprise me. It wasn’t a link to Fox News.

TeakWoodKite

and Brad got pounded for asking the folks in New Hampshire to count all the votes. Guess who complained and did not want them counted?
Yub! Yub! said the Ewok. grrr Yub! Yub!

One of those non-lobby lobbyist, named Jim Demers.

august

P.S. You show me a lesbian over the age of 35 that isn’t voting for Hillary, and I’ll eat my sombrero.

My guess is most of us are volunteering/donating to her as well.

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

I’m just thinking, how sick is it when the DEMOCRATIC party is pimping a candidate who rejects universal health care, women and the gay/lesbian community. What the hell is this, the New Republican Party?
http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

You know, that’s the other thing. Younger women, heterosexual or lesbian tend to be bamboozled by this jerk. For one thing, they have no stake in the “fight” with which to remember. They think their ‘rights’ are solid regardless of whose in charge. They aren’t. Shitty attitudes roll right down hill from the white house into your workplace and your life.

Northwest rain

Today I was talking to my 80 year old friend about Obama. Her gentleman friend is 98 and HE cannot understand why ALL women aren’t supporting Hillary. Women have only had the vote for a few years he says — don’t they remember? HE can remember when women didn’t have the vote and the struggle women went through to get the vote.

These wonderful folks understand about the need for Universal Health Care and they know that Hillary is smart enough to know that America needs a healthy economy. THEY remember the depression.

I choose my mentors carefully.
workingclass artist

Agree…..Ths is why teaching HISTORY AS WELL AS THE ARTS is so important in school…..

Eurogirl70

Exactly,

And you know when I called the DNC offices on Friday evening, I spoke with a nice young man named Clayton and specifically informed him that if I, as a 37 year old lesbian, with a masters degree in International Relations, and who lives inside the Beltway is under no circumstances going to vote for Obama, even though I have voted and been registered as a Democrat since 1988, they have a very serious problem on their hands. I went on to say that if the party leadership thinks that I am going to set aside my anger and disappointment this time, as I have done in the past, and hold hands and sing Kumbaya they are sorely mistaken.

I explained to Clayton that if I want to be successful at something, I get my advice from successful people; from winners. I do not seek out advice from losers. I told him that Donna Brazile has about as much of a chance of leading a Democratic candidate to victory as I have of waking up tomorrow and morphing into a leading heart surgeon. I went into a very long, respectful diatribe about the abysmal state of this party and that I have every intention of registering as an independent. I informed him that I did not leave my party, but rather my party left me.

ginaswo

I too spoke to Clayton Friday, and specifically asked how the DNC thinks women as a block will do some sort of pavlovian SCOTUS vote for Obama (if he steals the nom by blocking FL and MI), when he keeps talking about how pro choice people do not understand the wrenching moral questions faced by pro lifers. He laughed and agreed..

Janis

I just told him that if we can sit tight through eight years of a man who appointed a veterinarian as an advisor for women’s health issues, we can sit tight through four years of John McCranky if, by doing so, we can give the Democratic Party a thrashing it’ll never forget. I got an audible gulp out of that one.

lifelong dem leaving party

perfection!!!!

i hope it gets passed along to dean and his hacks.
TeakWoodKite

Sounds like Clayton had a bad day. LOL

wry

what is scotus?

Patrick Henry

Supreme
Court
Of
The
United
States

SCOTUS..
http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

I believe it is the Supreme Court of the United States = SCOTUS.

gayactivist

Notice that most Obama supporters are white men who are members of fraternities. they are all homophobes, and none of them are true demcorats who are real and authentic. They are disgusting.

Dawnelle

So, is the NEW FAUX news channel and Juan Williams gonna break my heart in a few months like Keith Olbermann did a few months AGO?????

I’m not sure my heart can take it twice in as many months.

I swear I have this REAL NEED to admire SOMEONE in the media again!!!

laurie

Bill MOyers is my last holdout for decent journalism. If he starts fawning over Obama, I give up.

Dawnelle

So, is the NEW FAUX news channel and Juan Williams gonna break my heart in a few months like Keith Olbermann did a few months AGO?????

I’m not sure my heart can take it twice in as many months.

I swear I have this REAL NEED to admire SOMEONE in the media again!!! And then of course there is the alien body snatchers take over of Randi Rhodes and Stephanie Miller! WTF~!

Catriley

I’ve been kinda liking Jake Tapper lately. Hard to discern a bias from him — which is a good sign. He hasn’t always been easy on Hillary, but he’s been equally tough (if not tougher) on Obama. I’m close to respecting him — we’ll see.

As for the rest of the bunch. Trying to think of someone that’s been worthy of respect. I’ll get back to you on that…
workingclass artist

Juan Williams tries to be fair…

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

Yes I love when one of the dares to tell me I am not a real democrat if I would vore for McCain over Obama…when here they are pushing an anti woman, anti gay, anti universal health care jerk in my face.

Beelzebud

If you would vote for McCain you aren’t a Democrat.

deke

Your party identification is determined at the time of registration. Who you vote for once the curtain is drawn is nobodies business.

workingclass artist

Currently You are correct….In the future I wonder….

lifelong dem leaving party

those who think they have a right to say who is and is not a democrat are not democrats.
Janis

If you would vote for a guy who flips off his opponent in such a snide, childish way, you aren’t a member of ANY political party I recognize, pal.
mel

if you vote for Obama, you are a terrorist
TeakWoodKite

And god said let there be republicans and democrats.

The defender of freedom, Beelzebud says if I vote for McCain I am not an Dem? The same Regan democrats that Obama was leg humpin in Nevada for a day??

I am a registerd Independent for over 10 years now and I vote for who I damn well please. That is unless I live in Florida or Michigan, or any other place the votes were not counted or strong armed by your Führer.

What are you some little Obama brown shirt? I still think you are entitled to your vote and point of view, how ever un-informed it is. And it is big time.

Patrick Henry

Is That UNIFORMED..like wearing a brown shirt and red Arm band….or Un~Informed..like being Ignorant..??????

TeakWoodKite

Both, now that you mention it Patrick Henry.

Patrick Henry

Roger that Kite..!!

Hey FYI..I did some checking..There is a BEELZEBUD posting as a regular.over at
Democratic Underground.com…has an Obama Picture up by his name..His regular poster name was HELDERHEID..

I also checked the Urban dictionary…It says that BEELZEBUD..is a “Potent WEED..Known to cause RETARDATION when used in excess..”

Guess we know what happened to that Dude..now..He’s RETARDED..

workingclass artist

LOL….Patrick Henry you are a true patriot…..

workingclass artist

Beezelbud…all I can say is shove that UNITYPATCH up yo’ ass…..

Catriley

You bring up a good point. During the run-up to the Iraq war, I was out protesting in our college town. We were harrassed, flipped off, and screamed at, by the young white college guys in town. They were major Bush supporters. And did not fit in with the pretty liberal town.

Now.. that same school, that same demographic (mostly young white guys from conservative families), are now Obamacrats who are basically doing the same thing. This time, they are abusing us on behalf of Obama. The frats that had George Bush signs in their windows, now have Obama. It’s a fad.

They’re followers. They go where the anger is, like moths to a flame. How many societies in history have lived through this shit at the hands of angry young men who are manipulated so easily through anger?

Janis

Nail, hammer, BANG. This is IT EXACTLY. This is why I would sooner die than vote Obama. It’s the same fucking crew of hateful assholes, they just have a different logo.

wry

what did juan williams do?

sjc-tx

“”They’re followers. They go where the anger is, like moths to a flame. How many societies in history have lived through this shit at the hands of angry young men who are manipulated so easily through anger?”"

Sounds like the middle east to me…

Patrick Henry

The Pigeons have come home to Roost..

I am afraid we have taken too much for granted here in the United states, we have been too trusting of Our Politicians, and , as my european friends have Said..You Americans are to” Naive”"

TeakWoodKite

While buying a round for members of the Black Watch in Scotland a while back, one them asked me “how could you sods elect GW twice? you buggers are Naive.”

I couldn’t disagree.
workingclass artist

Yeah…..The Europeans have been sayin we’ve been due for a while.

Janis

Painful as it is to say it, they are using Obama as a stick to beat the bitch, and if/when she’s down, they will drop him like a hot potato and go straight for McCain.

Dawnelle

lol ok what just happened?

I must be tired

gnite Hillary Voters

thanks for keeping it real (to steal a phrase)

peace out

http://http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com Uppity

We forgive you dawnelle.

babypuppy

Have admired your site for since the Wes Clark 04 days.

I just had to question beezlebud: If Wright is so proud of his photo op with President Clinton, why does he denigrate him and Hillary from the pulpit? Doing the nasty dance on a former President who was gracious and humble enough to invite pastors from all walks and religions is beyond pathetic.

I’m sure Bill did not know Wright was a hater and racist at the time the picture was taken. Wright probaly finangeled his way onto the invitation list of the 100 or so pastors from prominent churches throughout America. If he thought Bill was so nasty, then what the heck is he doing passing the picture around?

Of course the public would never have known until the egotist Wright himself decided to publish his incendiary remarks for sale.

It’s bigots and racists like Wright and Obama that are truly bad for America. They don’t love their country. They want to take and not give anything back. “Ask not what your country can do for you “… Obama… ask what you can do for your country.

http://myspace.com/loyaldissent Garlic-Nosed Guitarist

I doubt you will get a response. That poster’s style is one-liner drive-by from what I have observed.

You raise some valid points and apparently no real debate is forthcoming from the OP. Maybe she/he will prove me wrong. I think Obamabots are afraid if they hang around here too long they will end up supporting Hillary, so they don’t post too much. Seriously, there are some smart people here making some very convincing arguments.

Obama has zero chance in the general IMO and its his fault. Well, he and his supporters will have to blame someone when they fail. Probably will be the typical white people or the garlic-nosed or the Jews or the GLBT people…

TeakWoodKite

As I was making the garlic bread for my spegetti, it occured to me that BO says, as president, he would “talk” to Iran etc. …well how is it he won’t talk to the gay and lesbian community in this country? He won’t because it would be an insult to Allah? That isn’t it.

Barack Obama yesterday lashed out at political enemies who are spreading false rumors that he’s a closet Muslim as he proclaimed, “I pray to Jesus every night.” “I am a devout Christian,” he told voters in Ohio

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Ok so it is because he is a “devout Christian”?

Is BO’s church an intergration of Christian and Islamic ideology?

I am really curious and don’t have a clear appreciation of why Obama’s exposure to and association with both seem to vector at his church.
miriam

Would anyone care to venture a guess as to why Obama is so homophobic? Most rational Democrats are not. I think it’s particularly strange, since his church was apparently involved in ministering to AIDS victims. My own guess is that at some point he could easily have been taken for gay and for some reason it traumatized him. To women like myself he is not sexually attractive because he seems somewhat….ah, delicate. And sexless. I’m a feminist who very much likes men (was raised with three brothers and have two sons) yet I find Obama singularly unappealing.

Anyone?

lifelong dem leaving party

have often had the same thought. he certainly has no appeal that i can see.

he tries so very hard not to have pictures taken, etc. – actions of someone trying a little too hard to avoid being associated with those he finds unacceptable. could that be because of repressed feelings? don’t personally care, but difficult accepting oneself can lead to issues and this guy clearly has enough issues already, what with hating women, jews, italians, white people, americans, and … who have i left out?
Northwest rain

Obama isn’t sexy at all — why on earth Barbara Walters told him a lie — is strange.

Do men find Mrs. Obama sexy? She seems a unisex as Mr. Obama.

TeakWoodKite

No.

laurie

In my experience, most people men who surround themselves with anti-gay types are closeted themselves and deeply ashamed or it or in denial. My parents had a neighbor who, for my whole young life, quoted gay-changing Christian rhetoric, made sure to hunt and do all kinds of manly things, complained about “fruits” and “fags” being bad influences on society. So where is this going? At age 70 he got busted for attempting to solicit an underage boy online.

I know several men who came out in their late thirties and forties who told me that in their youth, they picked fights with gay men in bars and harassed them. THese men also spent a lot of time flirting with women and having a lot of hetero one-night stands to prove that they weren’t gay.

I know I can be paranoid, but I’ve always thought Obama was one of those guys on the downlow. Several gay friends have said the same thing. That’s why I’m so interested in the Larry Sinclair allegations. WHy isn’t the media reporting this at all unless it might actually be TRUE? Nobody on the left wants to touch this at this point.

I’ve also wondered why there are NO former girlfriends of Obama anywhere. IT’s like his past is completely devoid of them until MIchelle. That makes no sense because he has always been such a charmer and charmers usually have relationships so WHERE ARE THEY?
workingclass artist

Ehemmm…..Social Conditioning ( his age and immersion in his church ) and currently he’s afraid of alienating his base. He’s dodging the issue because of the GE….

secularhumanizinevoluter

Logcabinitqueen repugnantklaners makes about as much sense as Jews for Hitler. “Oye there is that little DEATH CAMP THINGY but he SURE makes the trains run on time!” Why in the flying spags name does anyone bother trying back and forth with a glassy eyed, double digit IQ obamazoid? Do you think you’re going to get any kind of an intel. answer? PUUUUUHLEAZE! If they had any brains or sense do you think they would be supporting that lying small time conman of a racist, misogynistic, homophobe? Ya’ll had it right(and dat ain’t Wright) FUCK YOU!
obama–oblunder

obama is a empty suit
i am very mad at the media for unfair covrage of hillary
obama–oblunder

all hillary supporters

amke sure to make calls tomorrow to PA
obama–oblunder

all hillary supporters

MAKE sure to make calls tomorrow to PA
obama–oblunder

moveon .org busted on research ( just like they do on others). THEY WERE AGAINST THE Afghan war!!!!

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/19/111736/838#3
obama–oblunder

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/quiz/?sc=8

EVERYONE

GO TO HILLARY WEBSITE WITH THE LINK ABOVE

AND TAKE A QUIZ ABOUT** WHO SAID THIS**
glennmcgahee

There is a study published by the University of Pennsylvania, published in The Journal of Community Psychology that talks about the resistance of the black churches to help with AIDS education that is sorely needed in the community since it is ravaging the inner cities, especially women because of their perception that its just a gay disease. This is what infuriated me when early in Obama’s campaign, he did a “Gospel Tour” throughout many black churches with anti-gay zealots in tow. Then he brags in the last debate about being the only Dem candidate to reach out to the churches. Tell me again just what he organized in Chicago?

workingclass artist

Ehemmmm……..SLUM SALONS FOR PHONY LIBERALS….me thinks….

white tiger

Right!
Women must not be permitted to: Vote; Operate motor vehicles; or to Speak on the Telephone.
Most of this worlds problems would quickly disappear if those three rules were followed.

Participation in homosexual sex acts should be a capital offense. Our children would be much safer and the Roman Catholic Church would be out of priests.

All voting should have to pass a test proving that they understand the issues and the candidates stands.

Failure to vote should be punished by a draconian fine.

The franchise should be extended precisely as it was in 1800.