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“So the CIA requests a legal review … – and, seven years later, Mr. Obama says only the legal advisers who are no longer in government should be investigated…Is this President going to put his predecessor in the dock too?”

The brutish answer is yes, George W. Bush is already in the dock, and with him Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld, George Tenet, Porter Goss, John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzales and their legal deputies. The Obama administration has opened the dungeon doors. The inmates have lawyers, sponsors and astonishing motives. The indictment, prosecution and condemnation of the Bush administration is the near term goal for the aggrieved. The long term goal is a searing self-righteousness. The Obama administration has willy-nilly moved into battle with the most partisan, best-armed, most ruthless part of the political apparatus that did not vote for Mr. Obama. The non-partisan voters will recoil and despair. It does seem overmuch to say that a civil war has started already. Perhaps what can be heard is the rattling up of the guns toward Charleston Harbor. Did the Obama administration have no other political course? The same question could have been asked of Jackson, Lincoln, TR, FDR, RMN before they picked fights they couldn’t finish. This will be remembered as an unforced error. Both sides will struggle relentlessly. Mr. Obama, having arisen as a healing element, has now let loose patricide. Take your seats, ladies and gentlemen, while you have leisure, we are about to see the old regime of dads fight to the death. Slowly, the ghost of William Butler Yeats takes another bow from a Sligo graveyard below Ben Bulben.

…Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;

Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,…

Doc99

Just heard from a Seal buddy of mine. He said, “Waterboard Leahy and Pelosi.”

TeakWoodKite

Doc99, did you happen to hear Pelosi recently, saying she never knew they actually did these things? She knew exactly what was being done and flat out lied. What shitheads.

I am at work so I can’t grap the video but I wish some one would post it.

tminu

I heard her stammer conflate and contradict herself in a nervous shaky voice. How could as head of the intelligence committee briefed on enhanced interrogation she now know. She was briefed and she was lying and knows her head is on the aclu/moveon chopping block.

Owllwoman

I e-mailed Carl Levin and told him that if they wanted to open this can of worms and make a mockery of 9-11 for partisan gain, then all those Congress and Senate people who knew and passed legislation to fund these programs should face the courts also. He e-mailed me right back an talked a partisan line. I replyed that my position still stood. They were and are as guilty as Bush and I wanted them behind bars along with Bush. You just can’t have it both ways. They either all go down or they are all given a pass. How quickly we forget the fear in this Country after 9-11.

ConfusedAmerican

Very logical. The driver of the get away car get the same sentence as the Killer with the gun….So what the people who approved the funds.

BARB

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/12/09/democrats/

Glenn Greenwald
Sunday Dec. 9, 2007 08:00 EST

Democratic complicity in Bush’s torture regimen

(updated below)

The Washington Post reports today that the Bush administration, beginning in 2002, repeatedly briefed leading Congressional Democrats on the Senate and House Intelligence Committees — including, at various times, Jay Rockefeller, Nancy Pelosi, and Jane Harman — regarding the CIA’s “enhanced interrogation methods,” including details about waterboarding and other torture measures. With one exception (Harman, who vaguely claims to have sent a letter to the CIA), these lawmakers not only failed to object to these policies, but affirmatively supported them.

Jay Rockefeller was one of the key Democrats briefed on the torture methods who never objected. But it’s far worse than that. In September, 2006, Rockefeller was one of 12 Senate Democrats to vote in favor of the Military Commissions Act, one of the principal purposes of which was to explicitly authorize the CIA’s “enhanced interrogation program” to proceed (even though it continues to be illegal under the Geneva Conventions). Thus, not only did Rockefeller remain silent when continuously briefed on illegal torture methods by the CIA, he then voted to legalize those methods by voting in favor of one of the most Draconian laws in modern American history. That law also retroactively immunized government officials from any liability for past lawbreaking.
HARP

58% Say Release of CIA Memos Endangers National Security

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics2/58_say_release_of_cia_memos_endangers_national_security
Peggy Sue

I seriously doubt the Dems will go forward with a serious inquiry. I think this was political posturing to satisfy the Far Left clammering for revenge, and Obama and his inner circle realize what a hornet’s nest they’ve just jostled. Are they prepared to put Nancy Pelosi in the dock?

Somehow I doubt it, even though she’s denying that she ever heard of waterboarding before the fact. Though I hate the idea that the American government was involved in these activities, the time to address the issue was before Bush&Co left office. A repeat of the Nuremburg trials won’t serve the nation’s interests. And if the Republicans go down, the Dems will go down with them.

But hey, I’ve been wrong before. The more important thing is that we, as a country, reject these practices in the future. And think about why, at this moment, did Obama and his merry men decide to stir the controversy pot. I agree with Susan’s earlier statement: this crew of dedicated pols are masters of distraction. And what distracts better than stirring up the raw emotions of the public?

Hg

I think there is a two-fold purpose behind this. One, the distraction it creates (away from Obama’s real agenda), and Two, the upheavel it causes. It’s Obama’s Marxist Alinsky training at work.

SJ

I see ABC is reporting no move cover for the CIA, the WH is going to release the abuse photos.

So what is this going to prove and where is this administration going with this? Man the terrorists must be all dying with laughter and loving Obama and this new direction he is taking America in.

TeakWoodKite

FOIA request from the ACLU was upheld and 1600 decided not to do the “classified state secrets” gig.

Hg, I agree, also to embarres the previous admin. What unnessasary can of worms this fool BO has opened.

BO just loves kickin dead horses. Can you Abu Who?

Paula Revere

It will backfire on the Fraud. The day this country suffers the “big one” because the Fraud will take the hit for releasing all of our classified information. He’s a moron and our biggest threat. Please God, make it stop while we still have a country to defend.

cynic

I’ll be surprised if Pelosi had much early information about waterboarding and harsh interrogation tactics, for the simple reason that the Bush administration wouldn’t have wanted to give the then-minority democrats ammunition to use against them.

“The democrats knew too!” seems like the typical response of a guilty child, hoping to spread blame around to lessen his own share of any punishment. That said, if we’re going to air our dirty laundry it will all have to be hung out on the line. Otherwise we’d be doing politics instead of morally healing soul-searching.

Carol HAKA

Did ya see Nancy making a statement? A 3 year old could lie better? She stammered more than Obie!

CAROL HAKA

Paula Revere

I hope this takes the Wicked Witch of the West down big time. She needs to get the hell out of politics, unless it’s the politics of Cuba.

Carol HAKA

Maybe the next hijacked plane can fly up her ass!

Whoops! I forgot. She knew about it. She has just been using it as a weapon against Bush for 8 years.

Again, maybe the next hijacked ……….

CAROL HAKA

Paula Revere

I’m with you Carol…Hmmmm….that big ass jet WE pay for…Hmmmm…..This country will never get on its feet with Pelosi around. Never.
http://noquarter foxyladi14

may the bird of paradise fly up her nose..

Ulysses S. Moss

Paula,

Poor cynic doesn’t realize the freight train that is going to hit the revisionists.
I hope that you listened to Levin’s show yesterday on how he intends to prosecute Pelosi for perjury laying out the complete case on the air waves.
The democrats have threatened those that have kept us safe. The shadow government has the goods on all those that want to prosecute.
Levin and others also intend to destroy revisionists in civil suits after obama leaves if they are dumb aenough to carry forward with the national suicide.
If we get attacked again there will be investigations into who decided to dismantle the shield and there will be additional prosecutions.
Very dangerous times to be a revisionist!

Paula Revere

USMoss…this country is in grave danger. While people are watching an apologist POS America hater in the White House, the loony left is intent on doing nothing but prosecute people who kept us safe. In the meantime, they are demanding that all of our classified documents be released to Arab Intelligence (CNN). What a joke. Nancy Pelosi is a traitor, so are all of her Anti-America CONgress scumbags. Tell your friend Levin I will join any lawsuits against these treasonous bastards.
cynic

Torturing prisoners isn’t part of the protective services I want government to provide. I’m not so afraid of terrorists that I’ll authorize my government to become an instrument of terror.

I won’t trade the safety of my nation’s soul for a mere illusion of increased physical safety.

Paula Revere

Well, aren’t you special? What a joke. I live in LA and that terrorist gave up the plot against us. Too bad for you. By the way, does the White House send YOU the Intelligence Briefing every morning? Do you really think you know everything that goes on? And, do you really think you are entitled to know everything, since once you know it, it goes on CNN all over the world. I don’t want to die for loony left ignorance, sorry. Whatever it takes to save my country, I’m all for. Once those terrorists decide that they will destroy America at all costs, even their own suicide bombing, I say let’s let them have their trip to Allah on US. I’ll help.

cynic

I’m only special to the extent that someone might consider moral conscience an unusual attribute. In my humble little circles–rather backward circles, perhaps–that’s generally considered to be the norm.

Apparently you aren’t bothered by the fact that the “enhanced interrogations” began months after the LA plot had already been uncovered and referenced in the records. Evidently 183 waterboarding sessions produced nothing–except, of course, for a diminished sense of honor, primarily affecting those who have some sense of what honor actually is.

Paula Revere

Cyanide…Well then I guess the SEALS shouldn’t have shot the Somali Pirates, right? I mean, that’s cruel. They died, right? Where do you draw the line? Okay, so in combat the military can bomb, shoot, etc. people because that’s an act of war. But we can’t use whatever method it takes against a terrorist to retrieve information? That’s kind of, well, deranged thinking. Keep your BS moral high ground and your revisionist history of the LA thing. You have NO honor. You hate America and cherish terrorists. WTF kind of “honor” is that?

ConfusedAmerican

Dont forget the pirate we captured… Now we are supposed to let him go because he is supposively only 16.
For some reason there seems to be a discrepency in captured pirates age…Just like all the South American and Cuban little league ringers…so now we are supposed to let him go…

With what the administration is doing with our security America is heading for BIG TROUBLE.
Paula Revere

To all the loony leftie America haters…read this.

Why Does Obama Smile At Dictators?

http://sugarnspice.typepad.com/sugar_n_spicea_meeting_pl/2009/04/why-does-obama-smile-at-dictators.html

This is what your lives are going to look like…Cuba. Then will you crap on America all day long?

cynic

…I want my government to provide…

Tell me truly: You don’t feel some moral peril in what the Bush administration has done? You don’t feel that the nation has somehow been tainted?

Paula Revere

If you are asking me to piss on my country, hell no. YOU do it. I’m alive, well and breathing. My country kept me safe. Your little moral high ground isn’t going to matter when you’re pushing up lilies, which you probably will be soon. Like I said, I don’t want to die for your phony moral high ground. Those people live and breath to destroy this country. SHAME ON YOU for giving a damn about what happens to them. Why don’t you loony lefties give a DAMN about US? Your fellow Americans who are living in frigging fear of another attack? Whine, whine, whine, but we can’t be mean to the terrorists….ROFLMAO Whatever. It’s true. Liberals hate America. Period. I will NOT shit on America, particularly not now. And your azz gets to sit around, free to blog all day, walk the streets safely, etc. because someone protected you. Well, I’m sure you’ll be happy to know that you aren’t going to be protected from these terrorists who want you dead. How does that moral indignation feel now? I’m not dying for you, period.

cynic

We’ll all be dying soon. That’s one given fact of the human condition. Afterward, either nothing you’ve done or failed to do matters, or the character of your actions means everything. I have my own opinion about that, and try as best I can to act accordingly and consistently. Somewhere along the line I decided that deliberately inflicting pain is something best avoided.

Paula Revere

Oh please Cyanide. That’s really romantic, but bullshit.
cynic

It’s the simple truth. I don’t see a trace of romanticism there. Only the alternatives as revealed by logic, along with a fundamental choice to be made.

One can argue that choosing not to choose represents a third option, but upon closer examination that turns out to be an illusion.

See? We’ve got to take a side. The sides are just a bit different than the world would have us think. The labels tend to confuse us. The labels can’t be trusted.
Ulysses S. Moss

Only ONE option…Saving American lives

Get it!

Have a nice afternoon!
Paula Revere

Cyanide…Hang your head in SHAME. All of your loser rhetoric would do nothing but get more Americans murdered by scumbags. Really, you should go live with them, hear their constant desire to blow us off the planet, etc. The fact that you lend them any kind of sympathy and/or credibility is pathetic. You can sit there on your high horse (what you THINK is some big moral high horse) but the truth it you aren’t better than us. You are a loser who selfishly spouts how superior your values and backwards morals are, as opposed to those of us who would ourselves die for our country. Why don’t you go live elsewhere? Clearly you have no respect for the US. Bon voyage.
Ulysses S. Moss

Cynic,

My view is that those that kill innocents are inflicting the real pain

3000 dead on 911

50000 forced to suffer a slow agonizing death by polluted lungs and other injuries.

and you care more about one guy getting waterboarded.

Yes… LA hasn’t experienced the same PAIN that NY and elsewhere suffered precisely because hero’s knew how to stop real pain.

In the skyscrapers of LA or on the sidewalks in the city dying in an inferno or from planes exploding and dying a horrible slow motion death from lung damage.

That’s what we call real pain and suffering.
Paula Revere

You can’t reason with this thinking USMoss. America hate is America hate.

Ulysses S. Moss

There is no taint when you do whatever it takes to protect your country against those that want to create mass death on the population

The only taint is when you apologize to those very enemies, dictators, thugs and terrorists while at the very same time prosecuting those that have kept us safe from those same enemies

Paula Revere

I pray they are all gone in 2010 and 2012. This is a disgrace. Period. Liberal America Hate has tainted this COUNTRY with its negativity. I can’t WAIT to get someone who loves AMERICA in the White House and get rid of this elitist “America Suck” scum we are stuck with. Whatever it takes, lawsuits, revolution, storming the Bastille, etc. I want them gone.

Paula Revere

By the way, Cyanide, do you think Hamas feels that THEIR country is “tainted?” ROFLMAO. Kumbaya, honey. Kumbaya.

Ulysses S. Moss

I won’t trade the safety of my nation’s soul for a mere illusion of increased physical safety.

Guess what Cynic

Your view is immoral as you would allow Americans to die so that you can cling to a false morality that protecting those that have committed mass murder need special rights regardless of their intimate knowledge of an attack.

Your goose is cooked on this issue!!

LA was saved by hero’s willing to do whatever it takes to protect American lives

You do realize that the shoe is on the other foot and that now it is you and all the revisionists that are
The new Villains…
Get used to the word it’s going to stick!
ConfusedAmerican

But its ok for Obama to go after the GOP (which is mostly who is not in office) instead of all the ones involved?
Strange logic.

Paula Revere

Yeah, well the GOP hate is going to cause a big backlash too. These partisan nuts are going to suffer big time when they see people tired of it, looking for a third party with no baggage.

Ulysses S. Moss

The republicans hold all the strings. The huge library that Bush is building will serve as a shadow governement with hundreds of well paid lowers and scholars that will destroy any attempt at criminalizing the war on terror.

The democrats have no clue as to the real power of the republicans.

They have hit the hornets nest with a bat and now they about to experience the whirlwind of their mistake.

Even if they don’t prosecute the republicans have been mobilized to bring down the revisionists.

I would hate to be an immoral revisionist that soon will be looked down upon with disgust by the American people

Ulysses S. Moss

Well paid Lawyers….
Paula Revere

You are right…the loony left and their “immoral revisionists” have stirred the pot. And they have done it at possibly the weakest moment in our history, thanks to the Dems bringing us our enemy in the White House, the Fraud. I don’t know how the lefties thought they could just bully their way into all of this stuff, destroy America, leave us vulnerable to attacks, apologize for and humiliate us, and people would just TAKE IT. I’m actually glad they are pulling all this crap. IF we survive, those nuts won’t be in power for decades to come, if ever.
Ulysses S. Moss

As Levin says…Bring it on you scum!
Paula Revere

Yeah, really, USMoss. I say BRING IT. When you have to listen to the stuff around here about coddling terrorists, something has to change.
JustMe~~

cynic can buy a one way ticket to cuddle up to the terrorists! Feel free to go Cynic

The rest of us will join to keep the USA & it’s people safe.
Ulysses S. Moss

Revisionists have no facts..

They neither get the terror briefings each day or understand the sheer panic that took place after 911.

Revisionists are going to fall harder than any wimps we have seen recently

The vault of facts will be available for all to see.

In fact destroying the revisionists are part of a bigger strategy to take back the white house on national security issues.
Paula Revere

Too bad that the nukes aren’t front loaded heat seekers that could “seek” out the revisionists. ROFLMAO. Well, they asked for it. They can all die as MARTYRS.
Ulysses S. Moss

They will only die as Martyrs in theri own small minds.

To the rest of us they will die for allowing this country to be attacked.

Those on the right are taking names of those that don’t give a damn about getting attacked.

The revisionists don’t realize that they have destroyed obama with their immoral behavior.
Ulysses S. Moss

To the rest of us they will die for allowing this country to be attacked.

die as traitors!
Paula Revere

Yes, they should all die as the traitors they are LOL.

JustMe…LMAO…Cyanide SHOULD go live with the folks from Hamas. Maybe then he would “get it.”

http://noquarter foxyladi14

he must not realize that this can be done to him in 4 years..

Peggy Sue

Cynic said:

“That said, if we’re going to air our dirty laundry it will all have to be hung out on the line.”

Exactly, cynic. This is getting scary–you and I are agreeing more and more.

And for the very reason you stated above, I simply don’t think Obama and his crew will pursue this. The Dems do not have clean hands. The calls for impeachment were out there when the Dems took over Congress 2 years ago. Pelosi immediately took it off the table. All this stuff [and more] would have come out then. The moral outrage was there but she and the Dems turned their political backs.

I don’t trust either party, except in believing they will do everything to save their own behinds. And I also think there is only so much bloodletting a country can endure before bleeding to death. But the issue of torture/enhanced interrogation is one I strongly reject on a personal level. A lot of soul-searching is needed on both sides of the aisle. I hope to God the country rejects these practices in the future.
Owllwoman

They were notified. I was spending a bit of time on the Kos and people there were ranting about the Dems. as much as the Repubs. Thank God I have since awakened and left that website. Looking back there is a lot of brainwashing that goes on there. But I was also seeing it on CNN.

Patriot

Reject these practices in the future! Did no one understand they had drs. and others to make sure these terrorists were alright. Maybe we can request the terrorists not to behead any more Americans. Think they might listen now; since, the only thing they will be getting if caught is tea and cookies; certainly nothing even remotely harsh for what they have done to our people.

Peggy Sue

Sorry, I don’t consider waterboarding “tea and cookies.” Did you read Larry’s articles? He was waterboarded during training. He considers it torture. And btw, revenge and justice are two different things. Unless, of course, you want the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth variety.

Then we can all run around blind and toothless.
http://noquarter foxyladi14

remember Daniel Perle.and the contractors hanging from the bridge.

Peggy Sue

Yes, I remember them, Foxy ladi. And you’re suggesting what exactly? We should return the favor? Start beheadings or public hangings in retribution? Would that satisfy the bloodlust?

Or perhaps pretend that we’re better than what we hate when we bend our own principles?

We live by the law. Or we don’t. There is no middle ground. Period.

b mathews

since 0bama and the msm havent called the release of the torture memo a “distraction” then it must BE a distraction.

tek

Abraham Lincoln never started anything. He stood his ground and refused to compromise on the Constitution and on the platform on which he was elected. He was a true leader and statesman, above partisan bickering and venality.

Southerners seized federal property and, after Lincoln pursued exhaustive negotiations, they finally fired on federal property and started the Unpleasantness Between the States, as they call it. Lincoln certainly did finish what the South started, and now southerners doesn’t like the consequences of the war that the likes of William Butler Yeats, Edmund Ruffin, and Mr. Rhett propagandized them into thinking would be the most glorious thing ever to occur in the history of mankind.

If you can’t write honestly and objectively about a political issue, hang it up.

If you’re suggesting that Dick Cheney and Alberto Gonzales are greater statesmen than Theordore Roosevelt and FDR, you must be sniffing something.
chris from Chicago

We are only 3 months into this administration and the latest Rasmussen polls say that:

“53% Say Next President Likely To Be A Republican

For the first time since Barack Obama was elected president last November, more than half of U.S. voters (53%) say it is at least somewhat likely that the next occupant of the White House will be a Republican. Thirty-one percent (31%) say it is Very Likely. ”

And barring some [unfore]seen incident..such as his [in ]eligibility..we have a full 45 months to go with hti turkey…
this country will be torn asunder…

Peggy Sue

And yet the polls the Dems are spouting says that Barack Obama enjoys a “73%” favorability rate.

I think it’s time we disregard the polls. They’ve become propaganda tools for whatever side the pollsters happen to be standing on. They’re sliding into the abyss with the laughable press.

Time to trust our own eyes and ears.

chris from Chicago

I agree with you..However when the dems spew out those numbers they conveniently omit the key qualifier…70% of “polled democrats”
The polls have always been skewed in favor of Obama and that is the reason that this latest poll which seems to favour the republicans [ but i will qualify these as not-for-Obama] has me pleasantly piqued…
This guy will deconstruct this country if he is allowed!

Elizabeth

It was certainly considered torture when Japanese Officers waterboarded Americans during World War II. Many of those perpetrators were convicted to life in prison or hard labor.

What is good for others is good for us and what is wrong for us is wrong for others. If this is acceptable for us to do to our enemy, it must be good for them to do to us. Supporters of these techniques need to admit to themselves it is therefore also okay for American citizens and soldiers to be tortured if arrested or captured by another country.

We lead by example or not at all.

ConfusedAmerican

Then to top it off we gave Japan the money to build their country back up. If I remember right we have given many of our enemies the money to build back up their country. Where are they now that we could use some of that money.

jangles

They are in debt; they are holding US $ for stuff we bought from them and paid for in our shrinking $$. You might say they are underwater.

politicalidentitycrisis

It would be hilarious if Barky ended up having himself investigated. What if they decide anyone who approved of certain bills was breaking the law and since he just voted as he was told, it’s possible he voted to approve an illegal act? That would be great to see Barky bring his own doom.

http://noquarter foxyladi14

R.O.F.L.M.A.O.barky doing himself in..

ConfusedAmerican

This sounds so Very Fishy for several reasons.
Its the ones in office that can suport or do these types of actions again. Technically its the ones in office that need to be removed so that it won’t happen again.

Most of the people out of office that supported this are in their 60s and 70s. That means these guys will probably not be in positions that will enable them to support or do these types of crimes again.

More than likey the reason behind this type of action is so that the elite Dems will not be harmed. Look at it guys. Those still in office who supported this type of interagation are alot of the elite Dems I think I heard that some Very Elite Dems suported this, especially right after 9/11.(I have a feeling that is all is revealed Peloski’s and Biden’s name will pop up). I will make a bet that over 50% (probably more than 75%)of the people still in office who supported this were Dems.

Obama was able to hide a whole lot of personal crap under the carpet during his campaign and he still is. So I would not put it pass his administration to make sure the Dem crap of those involved in this mess to be hidden, especially the Elite Dems involved.
mountainaires

Don’t forget Condoleeza Rice who personally approved waterboarding, and should be held to account.
Carol HAKA

On RedEye: “they keep showing that clip of ‘em having water splashed in their face. If that’s torture, then, my shampoo girl should be under investigation.”

The part that was redacted: dirty bomb was to be flown into “The Library Tower” in downtown LA in the “second wave” . My son lives minutes from downtown LA.

I have been laid off – if the torturers have any openings, I’m their girl!

Note to “targets of the overseas contingency operation” – next time make sure you are headed for Nancy’s neighborhood in San Fran – then I will cry
me a river!

News Alert – WH and Capitol Building are being evacuated for airspace violation – really?????

No you asswipes sit there and wait to see if you live!

CAROL HAKA
Jackson Pearson

Let’s define the word “torture.” Look at the list below of documented methods of punishment and persuasion. Beside each method write one of these words:
Discomfort,
Fear,
Pain,
Agony: Use only one of these words.

A short definition of torture:
To bring great physical or mental pain upon another.

Use the word that you think comes closest to describing what YOU would feel, if YOU were the one being punished or persuaded.

Here’s a brief list of examples:
* Being beaten while your hung by your hands,
with your arms behind your back __________;

* A 1000 small razor cuts all over your body __________;

* Being forced to watch your spouse or child being gang raped __________;

* Punched repeatedly in the face __________;

* Being burned with a blowtorch __________;

* Being in solitary confinement for years at a time __________;

* Hear the shrieks of children who hang by their wrists while being … ??? __________;

* Sleep deprivation __________;

* Punched in the ribs, until they’re cracked or broken __________;

* Having your eyes gouged out __________;

* Water boarding __________;

* Your tongue cut out __________;

* Hammer sharp spikes into the tips of your fingers/toes __________;

* Having small nails forced under your fingernails __________;

* Being placed in a room with insects __________;

* Sitting on the floor, for hours/days with your head between our legs __________;

* Having your limbs cut off with an electric saw __________;

* Having your hands dissolved in acid __________;

* Being slapped __________;

* Press your head/face down into a bucket filled with feces __________;

* Having your fingers bent back until broken __________;

* Forced to watch your friend, spouse, or children being beheaded __________;

* Having your teeth slowly knocked out __________;

* Listening to rock music 7/24 __________;

* Excoriated on your back/legs with a whip or chain __________.

The list can go on and on, but you get the point. Now, define the word “torture.” Do the methods of persuasion used at Guantanamo meet your definition of “torture?” In particular, is “water boarding” the moral equivalent of, let’s say, being forced to watch your spouse or children being gang raped, or beheaded?

Carol HAKA

If a dirty bomb is headed to downtown LA with my son’s life at stake, I’m your girl to handle any of the above activities!

Would not lose a second’s sleep over it!

CAROL HAKA

Carol HAKA

What is missing is the person being interrogated can give up the information any time they want to.

CAROL HAKA
Paula Revere

Carol…I live in LA too. And, guess what? I’ll join in any of the above activities too, to save America and Americans. WTF?

ConfusedAmerican

I lived in LA during 9/11. We were so scared because of all the rumors regarding the port, airport Disneyland and etc. Where I lived was less than 5 miles from the airport and it was not a kewl time.

Carol HAKA

My son was at USC.

It was terrifying.

CAROL HAKA
Paula Revere

Yes I remember being in LA during 9/11. I was terrified. There have always been plots against LA, but that was the time I was really scared. That’s why I don’t get the loony left sitting around cooing at terrorists. Our lives changed irreparably on 9/11. To coddle those people makes me puke. These nuts would probably give Amnesty to Hilter too.

http://noquarter foxyladi14

have a pizza party for him..

Carol HAKA

For all of you that’s “sensibilities are shocked”,

THIS IS WAR AND OBAMA HAS COMMITTED TREASON BY AIDING AND ABETTING THE ENEMY!!!!!!!!!

CAROL HAKA

Jackson Pearson

AMEN Carol. I view Obama’s treason the same as you.
Owllwoman

How close to a war crime is using a Drone to bomb people in a Democratic Country that you are not at war with? Especially when those people are innocent of any crime? Whats good for the goose is good for the gander!

Wisconsin girl

This administration is pathetic. Its sad how the unborn infants have no right to live which is considered torcher but the liberals have the nerve to say that terrorist have the right not to be prosecuted??? Did they forget our 911 and our people beheaded??? We have treaties with those that have a Governement and if I recall right, terrorist have no Governments. They only have one motive and that is to destroy AMERICA.

ConfusedAmerican

What about all those Americans burned to death in the Twin Towers, Pentagon and on the plane that crashed. I think being burned to death has to come under some form of torture. Most of the families have never had closure because there was not even a small body part to bury.
Sorry but I still cant get rid of the immage of our fellow Americans jumping to their death so that they wouldnt be burned to death.

Paula Revere

The fact that people are more concerned with protecting the rights of scumbag, murdering bastards, who are trained from BIRTH that Allah wants them to destroy America (the infidels), than protecting America makes me puke. How Un-American. We should have allowed the terrorist scum to bomb the buildings in Los Angeles, killing thousands more innocent Americans, so that we can take our phony BS moral high ground about torture. That thinking is so deranged I can’t even understand calling yourself American and spewing that nonsense.

Carol HAKA

“deranged thinking” – good one!

Adding that to all of my rants!

OBAMA = TREASON

CAROL HAKA

Carol HAKA

Also, I keep forgetting: the in-laws on one of my work peers that lived in LA were on board one of the planes that went into the towers.

OBAMA = TREASON

CAROL HAKA
ConfusedAmerican

Come to think of it — We are still at war., Obama is not only realeasing POWs but memos that is giving away information about what we are doing.
Isnt there something Fishy about this.
ConfusedAmerican

You know I think the Obama Administration is trying to destroy the GOP, but in the process they are destroying America.
So far they have put America down the path to bankruptcy and now this.
They blamed the money problems totally on Bush. However the last two years the Dems controlled the Congress. Yet instead of trying to get our National Debt lower they have made higher than any other administration even considering inflation.

Now instead of trying to find a way to take care of the terriorists it seems like they are opening up more doors for them.

I have a feeling that the terriorists rolling on the floor laughing at America. Hey guys if we screw with America look at what they will do to us — Nothing.

ziggy

They’re trying to destroy the GOP by revealing what the republicans did! This has got to stop!

Peggy Sue

Sure, we can push this to the max. Let’s find out what the Republicans did. And then, we’ll find out how the Dems helped.

Sound like a healthy exercise? Maybe we can split the country right down the middle, while the world rages into chaos and the American economy gets flushed down the toilet.

Sounds like a real plan! The Democratic Party is bluffing, unless they’re willing to hand over Nancy Pelosi as the first sacrificial lamb. She’ll be followed by others, many others.

Once the witchhunt starts, it takes on a life of its own.

ConfusedAmerican

Problem is Obama and his crew will probably not let out the names of any big name Dems.
Hey Obama and his crew know how to keep things under wraps.

PainkillerJayne

Confused great comment on the other thread.
Peggy Sue

I don’t think this will go very far. I deplore what the Republicans did, but I deplore how the Dems are posturing on this issue now.

A pox on both their houses!

b mathews

0bama keeps saying we need to move foward…except when he keeps looking backwards when its convenient for him to do so as when he keeps blaming bush and the gop for everything.(not that i ever was a big fan of bush)but its getting a bit ridiculous.

pacificisland

Does anyone else here see the irony of the report (see above)about the Taliban on the move in Pakistan, beheading Pakistani soldiers, and dragging up this can of worms regarding actions taken with knowledge of BOTH the right and left in the aftermath of 9/11 to prevent another attack against the U.S.? Listen to the people, Barack & Co. and worry about what’s going on RIGHT NOW.
http://noquarter foxyladi14

we have had many potus.es that we didn’t agree with.

but i think we can agree that we never ever questioned a ones Patriotism
jangles

I think we have to have a presidential level of decision making about interrogation tactics but our national policy should condemn it. When I first heard about waterboarding, I was definitely in the camp that this is torture. After reading the memos about how we actually carried it out—how far we took it—I am not so sure any more. If you have a physician present and you want to get information not death, then I don’t think so. If you read about what went on in Saddam’s prisons and what goes on now in Iran and 3rd world dictatorships, we really don’t know the torturing business. About the only real torture that goes on in the US is against women and children trapped in abusive relationships and some of that is pretty bad. There are no doctors standing by to revive the victims.
politicalidentitycrisis

Well, let’s just investigate the Bush Administration and then to get even, the GOP can investigate many things Obama. Where to begin? That pesky birth certificate business of course, the Blagojevich mess, Tony Rezko and vertain Health and Human services board actions in Illnois. Sounds like fun. I think Barrakula won’t want any investigations. That is my guess. Or there will be an investigation and the findings will be: no wrong doing. Why? Paybacks are a bitch.

PainkillerJayne

Wow, a girl can dream………..I hope they all come true.
ConfusedAmerican

In your dreams. Obama and his crew have spent close to a million so Obama’s BC doesnt have to be shown… You think they going to let any of the Big Whig Dems fall… I dont think so.