Win A Raffle Ticket To The Bloody Riot Of The Century

This year’s Democratic Convention will make history. Can you picture it… the Democratic energy…

Oh.. energyis THAT what the kids are calling it these days? I think “days of rage” would be more apt, if Obama’s fans have anything to do with it. They’ve threatened it enough.

Yeah.. good luck with that, Howie.

I had the grand thrill of telling the NC Dems to not call me until MI/FL are seated. The person at the other end seemed a bit taken back.

The DNC will never get another dime from me ever again. And in NOV I am registering Independent. I have had enough of the incompetency, sexism and silence from this DNC.

no money for dnc – ever.

not watching the convention. certainly not interested in going.

if they want my attention, money, vote, they can nominate hillary. else oblowme is on his own.

Ehemmmm…….Howard is doing a truly remarkable job…..Don’t ya think ?
Howard are you being paid by the Republicans to take down the party or are you just really that stupid ?

Even if you get to the little note that finally says you are unsubscribed, the email keeps coming…..You also can’t stop the calls when you asked to be removed from the call list……

Even if you get to the little note that finally says you are unsubscribed, the email keeps coming…

Hahahahaha! I’m dying here! They have the only list known to man that NEVER loses a name. I bet DEAD PEOPLE are on that list.

Uppity Woman

Fact is Obama has had more regular folks give donations to his campaign than any campaign in our history. It’s a phenomenal grass roots campaign.
41% have given less than $200 to Obama’s campaign compared with 26% to Hillary’s campaign.
Obama’s campaign has completely changed the landscape of political financing and it’s great because it gets us away from the big fat cat donors that have been tradionally used.the only reason he outspends Hillary 2 to 1 is because people [not just rich people] keep giving him money.

OH grass roots my butt. Don’t make me have to post those links to all those registered lobbyists who bundled for him aGAIN. Don’t make me post that link to his top suprime lender contibutor bundlers AGAIN. Don’t make me post thos links to those nifty middle easterners who held fundraisers and bundled for him AGAIN. Mmmmkay?

I finally got the code number the last time I unsubscribed. Haven’t gotten any emails in the last couple of days. Knock on wood.

big fat cat

No fat cats behind Obama or anything…nahhh.

I unsubscribed from that monstrosity a couple of months back. The first time I put in the code it rejected it. However, it worked on the second time. As a result they got two pretty nasty notes instead of just one. These lunatics have lost the party tons of cash and supporters because of their transparent election rigging bullshit. If Dean had any fucking sense he would have just done what the Republicans did. Knock the delegate count in half and tell the candidates to campaign like hell and to the victor goes the spoils. Instead, these creeps tell two key, essential states to go to hell. Then along the way they tell all of us working class white men and women to go fuck ourselves as well. Well they can all kiss my ass.

And besides

1. whats that got to do with my diary?
2. who the hell asked you anyhow?

Kos and Huff door is this way —>

Yeah he’s having a McGovern dream.

WOW! I though pshycotropic drugs went out in the 70s or at latest 80s. Unfortunately yer havin a BAD trip there buckeroo!

Hey Jamal just said the party is gonna be just fine, we are going to be united. Good luck with that too, Jamal.

Sorry I didn’t hang out with assholes. But I still can recognize Bongers when I see them. Especially when they look just like McGovern ’72 crackpots.

Now see, why would you bother coming here? I read a post from the guy who shares shifts with you yesterday and he said Jesus didn’t need us to win. So why bother, right?

Win Without Us.

Give it time. LOLOL.

obamabots never figured out that cash credit cards leave no trace and anyone can manufacture a database to use the cash credit cards on to appear like it is common folks donating! thus bundlers can give all they want

You need an email program that allows you to filter out emails that won’t let you unsubscribe. Zaps the little buggers before you even have to know that they’ve reached your inbox.

I love that stuff. But i really don’t need it. I used Yahoo for the dingbats at the DNC. I knew they would be sending me their stupid emails day and night. I did have them land in spam but out of spite I decided they weren’t even worth being in my spam folder. But wouldn’t it be great if we all bounced them and flooded THEIR inbox?

I can’t wait to take this sideshow to the convention. We all know that Dean wants her out for two reasons: one is the money and the other is so that he can seat FL/MI with her out of the way and he looks like he is the consummate leader But we know that Hillary is going all the way to the convention. That being said, I want this fight to go the convention for other reasons. I want the elitist (superdelegates who have endorsed OB) to deal with the OB supporters at the convention as voters have had to deal with them at the caucuses. But not to worry, the great unifier should be able to handle them and we won’t have pitchforks in the streets. So whats the problem, let the superdelegates vote.

Yeah I gotta add White Men to the list now. Boy that list is getting long isn’t it?

We have Italians, Catholics, Jews, Typical White Women, Typical White Men, gays, Small Town Hicks With Guns.

Did I miss any? Oh yeah,he’s gonna be president. When pigs like him fly.

Uppity
You act a lot like an elitist snob. I point something out and because I don’t fawn over your words I’m supposed to go over to the clowns at Kos?
The Obama campaign received donations from more than 442,000 people in March including 218,000 contributing for the first time.
Yes, small donations and yes grass roots.
Who the hell is giving him money? This was Hillary’s election to lose. She had everyone on her side including all the major donors. There was no reason to dislike her. The fat cats supported her and still support her.
But then here came Obama out of the blue.
It surprised everyone [including him] by how much the electorate was energized by his campaign.
She was a shoe-in and she blew it. She had everyone on her side and she blew it. She had buckets of money and she blew it.
So suddenly it’s everyone else’s fault she blew it?
I don’t think so.
Get real.

hahahahahahaha … gee whiz …. please WARN people when you are going to come here and lie …. bundling for dummies is not coming here with you multiple insulting comments!

Oh please, if you believe that I have some ocean front property in Arizona, go to open secrets.org, go to whitehouseforsale.com and then come back after you have perused a few hundreds of those pages and then come back and tell me that, that is the biggest bunch of bull crap I have ever heard in my life and it is a flat out lie. You know how his supporters always say, she will say anything to win, well hell look who is talking, BO himself!!! He has taken more money from lobbyists than anyone…the fact that he continually lies and distorts and parses his words and downright panders (his San Francisco pander might cost him dearly also) is one reason that I will never vote for him in the GE.

27 billionaire bundlers and the lists of donors from Daschle, Kerry and MoveOn have made all the difference.

She goes to the convention and Florida and Michigan had BETTER be seated. It was Obama who blocked them from revoting because he knows they despise him. So therin lies the surprise. This FlA MICH thing is going to backfire right in his arrogant smarmy face.

Today’s cancellation of the North Carolina debate [for the "unity of the party," for Pete's sake!] was the last Demwit straw for me. More like to keep lil’ BOO from looking like a fool again, since the media lovefest is over & he’s not getting any more freepasses. Enough!

The Demwits have killed the party system in America & they deserve the mess they’re about to get!

Thanks for your input ModDem, I promise to give it all the weight I think it deserves.

Wow an elitist snob! But..but ..but I thought all us Hillary people were “Downscale” voters!

Bingo. I forgot to add that.

*******CNN ELECTION RESULTS********
With 0% of the vote in CNN is confident in projecting
Barack Obama the winner of the Pennsylvania
Democratic Primary.

Barack Obama 51%

Hillary Clinton 49%

Results based on exit polls outside CNN/Obama headquarters in Atlanta

Howie Howie Howie. You’re such a clown, Howie.

Great article again, Uppity. Thank you.

Uppitty Woman – You totally rock the galaxie, just so you know.

They sound as peppy and freah as a PBS pledge drive. What, no canvas tote? No Upstairs Downstairs DVD’s?

Howard Dean is dreaming if he thinks pre-nominating Obama is going to help. He has done serious harm to fundraising this year and for years into the future.

Money comes flows into Obama’s Gringotts account like golden lava. It’s not coming from ordinary folk. The Lucius Malfoy Family Foundation, maybe, but not from regular folk.

She didn’t blow it, ModDem. You haven’t heard from people here who got bullied at caucuses. Obama sent BUSLOADS of kids there. In one case, they locked the doors! These people are savages and those caucuses were a travesty. People were terrorized. Put obama in a REAL primary where nobody can harrass anyone, and he gets what he REALLY deserves. Hillary has proven that over and over again.

Is there a connection between them and Obama campaign:

http://recreate68.org/

Uppity
Let me also add that there have about 28 million Democrats who have voted in this election season. I think it’s great. 14.1 for Obama and 13.9 for Hillary. Are you going to tell me that 14.1 million Democratic voters are not Democrats? Because I’m here to tell you the Democratic tent is a pretty outstanding and big tent. We have let the voters vote and they will continue to in this primary season until June. If the voters choose Obama then they choose Obama. Period. Same if they choose Hillary. I don’t understand how we suddenly became snobs for Hillary or snobs for Obama. Why don’t we learn to concede if we lose and then go on and beat McCain?

Amy
MoveOn is made up of millions of small donors. I know many people who give to MoveOn and believe me many are lower middle class folks.

Geeze Ara, and to think I only wanted to rock the planet!

Your statement kills me….no way in hell do these regular folks have that kind of money..half the poor souls are on welfare, or out on the streets, they have all they can do to keep their heads above water…..he’s getting all his money from bundlers, don’t kid yourself…..

In my last email from them, “Click Here To Unsubscribe” was a stone-cold dead link.

It is an accepted norm in Internet communications and just plain human decency to provide a working means of unsubscribing from an E-mail list.

If the link continues to be broken, you have every right to complain to their E-mail provider and Web host, which could be one or two separate entities. Their TOS/AUP will almost always prohibit spam.

would be interesting to see the sort of monthly run on prepaid credit cards chase bank had so far this year thanks to crown and obama’s finance chair knows how to scew the banking system, chicago politics at its finest!

ModDem, I truly DO appreciate what you are telling me, believe it or not. It’s just that you haven’t been called a c*nt by Obama supporters have you?

I will never vote for barack Obama. he is the master as subtle signs to hype up his childish followers to do his dirty for him. This man is identical to McGovern in his followers. Everything about him reminds me of Tenth Grade. He will NEVER be president, because adults don’t let children pick presidents.

MoveOn is made up of millions of small donors.

Hello,

Can you please cite a source for this information.

Thanks!

“Coward Dean”

Oh how clever.

Not.

Uppity Note: Rolling my eyes here…

That makes two of us.

just curious, you obamabots get paid by the posting or by the response to your postings?

I bet DEAD PEOPLE are on that list.

Hehehe…probably some that rose, too.

or I suspect that the wealthy donors like Oprah and others setup a scheme for others to contribute to get around the max limit. It is not that hard.

Pay people to contribute when asked.

Oh Lord. That yank job analyst on CNN just said that Catholics go for clinton because of Nuns. Jesus was a bunch of strokers.

ayers and dohrn, any bets?

Hillary Rally on CSPAN NOW!

“Coward Dean”

I don’t know about that, but I do know he has an agenda which in my view is undemocratic/unDemocratic.

You didn’t like it. Golly I feel awful…

just curious, you obamabots get paid by the posting or by the response to your postings?

As far as the bots go, I think there are some getting paid and some volunteers — but I do urge the ones getting paid not to give up their day jobs.

I get paid in Karma dollars for good posts as do other Hill supporters.

Yeah, “the fat cats supported her”- um, what fat cats were those? Kennedy? Kerry? Daschle? Richardson? Boren? Nunn? Durbin? Webb? Kaine? Jesus Christ, every big name in the Democratic Party is pulling for Obama.

Grass Roots, my ass. This is a major marketing event. This is the buying of a nomination by Lobbyists hiding behind the media and the DNC.

Oh, and this was “Hillary’s nomination to lose”- I guess that follows the “Hillary expected to be coronated” talking point the media loves so much. Well, it was also Obama’s nomination to steal- but he hasn’t done it yet.

I bet DEAD PEOPLE are on that list.

And we come full circle back to Chicago-style politics again …

More Likely:

With 0% of the vote in, MSNBC is projecting Barack Obama the winner in the PA Democratic Primary:

Hillary Clinton 54%
Barack Obama 46%

How will the Clinton campaign deal with this devastating defeat? Can she really justify remaining in the race after getting only an eight-point margin? Surely, she must withdraw now. It’s time to face reality, Hillary. Time and time again, the voters in the major, must-win-in-November states have spoken, and their message is consistent: “You are not our favorite candidate by a sufficient margin.”

When will Hillary stop denying what is right in front of her eyes?

explosive energy? nervous energy?

I think it’s a caffeinated drink.

britney spears made a lot of money for a while there too. never underestimate the power of Americans to follow the latest fad.

Uppity
She didn’t blow it. You haven’t heard from people here who got bullied at caucuses. Obama sent BUSLOADS of kids there.

Hmmm interesting. Hey, look I’m willing to take your word but let me investigate some of this. Crooked if true.

That said, I am curious if you are just Anti-Obama or are you anti-some Democrats.
The reason I ask is because I consider Hillary to be left of center. And in many ways her plans are not a whole lot different than his. So it can’t be because he is too far left.
Who would you say represents your views politically other than Hillary?

I feel most Democrats have been in her corner since she came into office. It’s just the past 6 months that things have become interesting.

All those people who paid $10 to see one of his revival meetings or paid $5 to buy a button are among his ‘grass roots’ supporters. That’s how he pumped that number.

Nothing to see there….just some more spin spinning. It’s happy talk for the more suggestible among us. The “highly suggestible” being a big part of BO’s base.

My gawd, you remind me of all those business-school idiots who think they’re going to be millionaires by the time they’re 30.

Do you have any idea how much a quarter of a billion dollars even is?

Let’s spell it out – OBAMA supporters are going to riot? Obama, who by all signs will go into the convention as the Dem nominee? There’s pretty much no history of the winning side rioting.

Signed,
Getting $0.00 to post, but would be considerably less motivated if you didn’t defame my “ordinary white woman” demographic by implying we buy into this nonsense

Oh, and forgot, in response to ModDem’s point – Iowa Sec of State just released that they have found only 1.5% of new caucus registrations are even questionable. I believe Hillary supporter’s argument was that Obama bussed in kids to vote. With that disproven, I guess we’re left with the bullying allegation. Funny there has been no substantiated allegations beyond hearsay and vague anecdotes – the media was all over the caucus locations, I’m guessing if there was college kids beating up little old ladies, SOMEBODY would have caught it on tape.

You missed me. I’m a latte liberal. They keep telling me that I’m supposed to be voting for Obama but I have never liked anyone telling me what to do.

Liz
I didn’t make the kids bussed in or bulling point. I was questioning Uppity who said that. I’m with you. I would need to investigate this because I too have only heard anecdotes.
To be fair I have heard that older voters who support Hillary have felt uncomfortable with the caucuses because young voters are there in big numbers supporting Obama.

Most little old ladies don’t go to caucus. Neither do people who work. Neither do cops, firefighters and nurses who work that caucus shift to keep your ass safe. Most Single women with babies don’t caucus. Most Disabled people can’t caucus. Causus is basically for people who aren’t working, and college kids who can cut class, while their parents, who are paying for their education, are at work. Caucus represents 2 percent of the voting population and is basically determined in an undemocratic way because of those who are unable to attend. Now, primaries are there for EVERYONE to have an opportunity to vote. No hooting, no yelling, no shoving. And that is why Obama can’t do Primaries very well. If Obama had to live with primaries instead of caucus, he would have been history by now. Now in NOvember, none of his kids will be able to get within a hundred yards of a voting area. He will NEVER be president, for this one main reason: Adults don’t let children pick presidents. Just ask George McGovern.

I wonder if OBAMESSIAH outsources his trolls….things that make you go Hmmmm……..

I am collecting that material albeit slowly because the priority now is not that, since there isn’t a thing we can do about it. But you will be hearing from me on it eventually.

Perhaps we should start referring to Obama cultists as “Death Eaters”?

Maybe from Gaza City?

Uppity

Even if everything you say about caucuses is true you have to ask yourself this: How did Hillary – who knew she would be running for president 6 or 8 years ago – not prepare her campaign for the caucus process? How could she fail to get the best caucus group together well in advance of this political season?
Did she think her nomination was in the bag so she didn’t give it a thought? Seriously. Caucuses have been part of the system for years. She knew this. Bill won caucuses. It’s not like caucuses were some johnny come lately invention.

Who would you say represents your views politically other than Hillary?

I’m sorry ModDem, I didn’t see your post till now. Yes she does. For one thing, I am a firm believer in universal health care and Obama is not. However, if this race had been between Hillary and John Edwards and Edwards were the nominee I would have supported him wholeheartedly. I cannot support Barack Obama because I think he is arrogant, hangs out with some very scary people, is rather sophomorish in his behaviors sometimes, incites mobs, has extremely disrespectful followers on the net, is VERY sexist, hangs out with middle easterners from a place where they set women on fire and is generally comfortable around them (as in Pakistan). I also see a great deal of Narcissim in his behaviors and believe me, Narcissists make terrible leaders. I also do not see him as strong under fire. Not at all. I will admit that I almost fell for him when he gave his 2004 speech. But I found his rallies chilling and VERY reminiscent of other historical leaders and that unsettled me completely. I also see that he is terrible as an impromptu speaker. When you cannot speak extemporaneously, it is an indicator that you cannot thin on your feet. Also not a very good sign for the leader of the free world. In short, there is really nothing about him that endears me in any way.

Now Hillary has her warts, tis true, and don’t we all. But I see her as a level headed person with a great deal of knowledge, she does her homework. She is strong in the face of fire, unrattled. Extemporaneously she is outstanding, she thinks on her feet. And to me, these are all signs of a Leader. I also felt that way about Edwards.

Obama doesn’t want Florida and Michigan seated. Now he doesn’t want to debate in North Carolina. This boy needs some balls, the ones he lost in the last debate.

Take the pledge: “If MI and FL are not brought into the national picture immediately and their votes counted, and if Obama is the Democratic nominee, I will not vote for president in November. If MI and FL are returned to the national picture immediately and their votes counted, then I will vote for the Democratic nominee whomever it is”.

If enough of us take the pledge then Dean has few choices. If he makes the wrong choice then Obama will have no chance to be President. Period. The only chance for Obama and choice for Dean is to bring FL and MI into the equation, now.

Sign your name and send it to the dnc. If enough people do it Dean won’t have any choices.

By taking this approach we are not attacking Obama, whom we may have to vote for. But only under the circumstances we dictate, democracy for everyone.

Golly, Liz, if he’s the winner already, it’s kind of hard to believe you would waste your time right here on the loser’s dedicated site.

Hmmmm………Sounds like the same BS that came out of Texas….Liz

Uppity,

This is one great diary. Howard and Nancy are going to be surprised when we don’t all kiss and make up in Denver! You can number me among the ranks of those Dems who will be re-registering as an Independent.

jimbo
Your plan is okay but it is MI and FL that have been unable to get it together and plan a revote. This is not the fault of Obama or Clinton or even Dean. States run their own elections. Yes, they are not Federally run. So you have to ask them why they can’t get it together. Florida claimed it was impossible to get all the counties on the same page. Plus they were moving to new voter machines and many counties had scrapped the old machines. MI is odder. The law makers there just basically said screw it.
Look, I support Obama but I would like to see legit votes in those states too.

GA Moderate — I like you way of thinking.

YES! The SD should be forced to deal with the Obamabots — just like we Hillary supporting caucus goers had to deal with the monkey shit crazy Obamabots!

That is one hell of a good reason for Hillary to go right to the convention. The other is of course she that SHE can walk away the Democratic nominee!

And I want caucuses OUTLAWED — found to be undemocratic.

I’m just surprised that Dean isn’t encouraging Obama supporters to “vote early and often”.

I used to call Obamabots “Dementors”

Arabella–your comment should be in a Hall of Fame!

ModDem -
I know you were questioning Uppity, I was just trying to interject some facts into the discussion. Sorry if I wasn’t clear.

Uppity -
I am aware of the talking points. I also know I live in one of the oldest states in the nation (demographically), which Obama won handily. Over 10% of the voting population turned out, which dwarfs the percentage of registered voters 18-25 (we are old here). Out cacuses were at various times on a Saturday afternoon, and there was a process for absentee ballots. In my location (where over 2300 people turned out), there were far more people disabled people, people with babies, elderly people, and people who worked shifts, than college kids, because there are no colleges in my county. Obama still won by about 70/30. Hillary lost because she totally neglected our state. She did no organizing, and she didn’t make an appearance. She finally sent Chelsea at the last minute, but that was after both Barack and Michelle said they were coming. There were other reasons, but basically, Hillary didn’t even try.

can’t sign that pledge. will not just stay home (and will never vote for obama). have voted dem for 4 decades.will vote mccain if obama is nominated. no doubt, no question, no possible change of mind.

don’t like mccain. like obama a lot less.

and the phony talk about “seating” fl and mi delegates (after the nominee is decided) is just smoke and mirrors.

if they actually count the fl and mi votes, hillary will be the nominee. then i will happily vote dem.

are we sure he isn’t?

You don’t suppose that Arabella has a lot of cats?

Obama can’t win primary states that aren’t loaded with AA voters and yuppies thats why he refuses to support re-vote in Florida and Michigan. The demographic don’t favor him.

He’d lose there the same way he’s going to lose PA and Indiana.

And most of the caucus states he won will go to McCain in the GE so his victories there are purely symbolic and not representative.

The fact is he cannot get the “archie bunker” or white working class vote in any significant number and without them no Democrat can win. Lack of winning over this demographic killed both Gore and Kerry. Gore only got 33% and Kerry 23%, Obama won’t even get 10% IMO.

Oh this assumes Obama gets 100% of the Hillary voters should he get the nomination. Anything lower thant 90% will be the kiss of death for barry.

It also assumes that the GOP 527′s will have no impact on the voter turn-out for the messiah, which is not likely given how easily the GOP knocked down Kerry against a idiot like Bush.

guess his favorite networks weren’t the ones slated to hold the debate? somehow i think if it was russert and matthews, he’d be begging for a debate. questions like senator obama, why do you think hillary became such a bitch when she had such a nice childhood? and why did you become such a saint when you were (allegedly) on food stamps?

Oh look! Just like Ohio!

If she did, what of it?

Hahaha. Why not? They cold call for him, so why not post for him? I never thought about that.

as one of the older voters, i’ll speak up. in my area of texas, where we have the stupid two step system (vote in primary then again in caucus), i knew it would not be safe to be out at night, whether for caucus or any other reason. (older woman here). so i voted in the primary, but didn’t venture out for the caucus.

turns out many of the local caucuses went to 3am. the next day the news reports were that there was a LOT of unpleasant stuff going on, including pre-prepared sign in sheets for obama from people who weren’t there, no checking to be sure the people there were qualified to vote, grabbing of sign in sheets from people, chasing someone trying to protect sign in sheets so she had to drive frantically to the police station, “losing” the sign in sheets with hillary’s name but not those with obama’s name, intimidation of hillary voters, etc. good thing i stayed home.

whom we may have to vote for

Not me.

Understood, ModDem. I would have to know the logistics in order to comment further, eg, what other states were involved, where the state was with respect to “hillary positives” etc. There may also have been a money issue. You know as well as I do that a complete idiot can be president if he has the money. Witness George Bush.

rwc, excellent points.

about gore getting 33% and kerry 23% of the white working class vote – if obama gets the same, he will lose. then he and his supporters will scream racism. how is it racism if he gets the same as gore or kerry? (rhetorical).

about 100% or even 90% of the hillary voters – not a chance. maybe 70%? i know they think the polls are wrong and we’ll come around. could be, but i really doubt it. i suspect the 30% who won’t vote obama will grow rather than shrink. guess we’ll have to wait and see.

I knew Kerry was a loser from the get-go. Now there was elitist arrogance. The man couldn’t even speak to people with IQs below 130. He was a bust of a choice. Add to that, I swear he threw the election deliberately. He let them run over his back with the swift boats and wimped out. Then he threw in the towel with the election irregularities. I have no respect for that horse face and probably never will again.

There IS an obvious state of denial there, isn’t there?

I need to dig up my blog post on the two state senators of michigan who blocked the revote there by making sure that the bill never reached a vote. They are both co-chairs for Obama and one of them was smirking into the camera and said, “It’s great to be in the lead”. It doesn’t get any smarmier than that.

Moddem, here is that post.
http://hyper-educated-uppity-woman.blogspot.com/2008/03/2-michigan-senatorsobama-chairmen-gloat.html

Excuse me, I meant Liz, not ModDem. Sorry.

Actually, a lot of email programs let you set up an autoresponse. So every time an email hits your box, your email goes right back to them. So you could set up an email telling them off good and they’ll get it every time they send you an email.

jamal may be right. we may be united – against obama.

Hmmm. This seems to be the same copy and paste job I’ve read at a lot of other blogs today. Don’t you guys ever have any original thoughts in your head?

Uppity, don’t spit fire at me (because I think you are awesome!) but I just can’t stand the fact that you’re throwing out the baby with the bathwater. We need to rescue the Democratic party. Hillary Clinton IS the democratic party. IF we splinter it because that ass Dean took over the DNC and Pelosi was too feeble to lead the Congress then we have not done our job for the underrepresented people the dems are supposed to represent. If we splinter the party, the Republicans will rule for another 100 years and we’ll end up a true colonialist plutocracy with women relegated to something out of Margaret Atwood.

McCain will find a way to overthrow Roe v. Wade. He will send this country into a great depression. He will start a preemptive war with Iran. Who knows, he might even start a fistfight with Amadinajad himself. I bloody well despise Obama but I love this party and now is the time to be strategizing how to SAVE THE PARTY, not saying we’ll never support it.

I also want as many Obama supporters who wander over here not to get blindsighted by the same style vitriol made famous by Kos and Huffpo. This race is too close to throw away the possibility of bringing people around to our side. I personally want to recruit as many reasonable Obamans and not turn them off by screaming at them. They’re misinformed by an impotent and biased media. Let’s show them why they are wrong. We have plenty of legit ammunition and do NOT need to resort to the same rude crap we despise the militant Obamans for.

And please, please, please stop saying you’re not going to support the party after all this is said and done. THe dems need fabulous, gutsy women like you to bring them back to the right path. ANyway, this isn’t over yet. We’ll deal with Dean when Hillary is in office. But there are other races in the pike that will be damaged if we withdraw our support of the party adn that won’t be good for any of us or our causes. I respect your opinion and understand your intense anger at this situation. I am angry too. But I have to believe the Dems can stick together after all of this.

That’s my two cents, anyway.

larry

i read this line:The winner will get a ticket, a flight and accommodations to the convention!

like:

The winner will get a ticket, a fight and accommodations to the convention!

obamanian slip

Still waiting.

Whatever you drink/smoke/inhale should be made available to all of the people suffering in the world. Delusion has to feel better.

ditto

They would rather lose the funding from the rank and file than Soros and the bundlers backing Obama. There is no other explanation. Cuz they have to know that with more than 25% of HRC’s supporters publicly saying they won’t support him, the numbers have to be higher.

General comments not necessarily all directed at the OP:

People who will refuse to support the party if Obama steals the nomination have every right to do so. We also have every right not to want Obama to posses a nuclear arsenal when he can’t even discern basic truths like people like Wright and Ayers should never be your mentors or friends.

I think logically, self-preservation trumps party loyalty. Our lives are in the hands of the President and that President will never be Obama no matter how much anyone whines about it. I will either write in Hill or vote for McCain as will many Hill supporters who are looking at this election in a global / big-picture way. We have families and grandkids and we will never consent to be governed by someone who coddles terrorists.

People can feel free to blame us for the party disintegrating, but in my view that is blame shifting — seems to be a very consistent theme of Obama’s candidacy.

In looking big picture, surely you can see that in all likelihood it is McCain, not Obama, who would actually use the United States nuclear arsenal. I deplore Obama and find him laughably ill-prepared to be president. But he’s not a hair-trigger warmongering maniac like McCain.

And big picture this: Roe v. Wade and a fundamentalist supreme court. Our children and grandchildren deserve the continued right to choice. As Hillary says, it’s the only way we can truly have a free society. Dismantling the Democratic party will only result in less rights for women, a bleeding class rift, and endless wars. This is a choice between evils: between a snotty, inexperienced intellectual and a hawkish lunatic. Sitting on a board with Ayers is terrible judgment but it likely won’t kill my draft-age nephews like McCain’s PLANNED policy in the middle east. Obama is a narcisisstic political opportunist who is defined by the good press people say about him. If anything, his presidency would be about making HIM look good as a liberal — which thankfully includes protecting the right to choose and making appropriate Supreme Court appointments. I have a 2 year old daughter. I owe her a world where women’s rights aren’t dismantled by the fringe right wing.

I just can’t see how voting for McCain or — defacto voting for him by sitting this election out– will do anything positive for our cause as Democrats. Isn’t it the same as when all those kids voted for Nader to make a point? What was the point again? It got lost because Bush won and that’s what we’re all left to deal with.

I truly hope that we aren’t faced with Obama as the candidate, but if we are, I’m going to join Hillary and support him as our nominee. All we have in this country are these two parties. The Right can NOT be given more carte blanche. The Right believes in Woo’s Imperial Presidential rights. The Right will destroy what is left of the constitution and unions. Isn’t that the bigger picture? Hillary is begging her supporters to pull together for the bigger cause. I hope I don’t have to do it, but I certainly will.

can’t be the first time, they must have a talking point to feign surprise.I wrote that to them, months ago. This is hardly the first time, and if they want to get it, they should check out the donations column. What they forgot is that it’s women who write checks, who manage family finances and decide when to give, and how much. Lately it’s been nada.

ModDem, Obama and Clinton just may be similar on paper in their platforms. The difference is that Hillary is a policy WONK of the highest order and has her hand in every aspect of her positions. She can explain how and why she will do things. Obama is most decidedly not a policy Wonk, and cannot answer more than the most perfunctory question about his positions. His advisors write his policy. His advisors will implement policy in an Obama whitehouse. His advisors are all very right of center. You tell me who will have the more progressive policies when all is said and done.

Not a dime, Howard. And, I think I’ll send back my bumper sticker from the DNC which just arrived in the mail yesterday. I don’t even want to put it on my car.

Screw ‘em. Let ‘em eat cake. I’m sick of ‘em. Sick of Donna Brazile. Sick of their trying to disenfrancise Florida and Michigan. Sick of their trying to force a rigged primary down my throat.

Not a dime. Howard. But, maybe a 41 cent stamp to send back your bumper sticker. It’d be well worth the cost of the stamp.

Actually, I think they believe they can make up the difference if they keep getting lunch money from the college crowd. They misapprehend the dedication of these youngsters, and believe that all of them will continue to “engage in the system” after this election is finished. The leaders don’t realize that a substantial portion of those cash donators won’t be there once politics is out of style. After/if their Anointed One is installed though, I think they’ll “move on” to the latest new cartoon on Adult Swim and spending their dough on video games and iPod downloads–they aren’t going to keep handing over the cash like us loyal old suckers; this is a once-ever-four-years, one-shot deal. If their hero doesn’t make it this time, he’ll have too much of an actual record next time to be called an outsider.

They aren’t yet feeling the pain of our wallets snapping shut. YET, anyway. They will, though. And they might be a bit shocked.

I won’t be ignored. I’ve got plenty of other expenses, and I don’t have any trouble at all withholding my contributions to the process, especially when the process doesn’t represent ME at all.

maybe that’s the same list as the one of Cook County voters who gave the edge to Barry

John King will be up til Thursday waiting for counts to come in from university areas hoping to save Barry

I agree, I will not support the party line. I am supporting Hillary. I am sick and tired of voting for the losers they nominate when we have a perfectly winnable election with Hillary. I will NOT support a Brezinski foreign policy, a Freidmanite SS privatizing economic policy and a payroll tax hike for Americans earning 72k a year. Obama did more to help kill Universal Health Care with his BS talk about garnishments than anyone since 1993. He has absolutely no intention of getting us UHC. Edwards, I would have supported if Hillary had lost, Biden fine too. Not Obama no way.
Hillary can win this thing and we need a win more than ever. Give us Hillary DNC
Come on PA, bring it home for Hill!

Obama blocked the Alito filibuster and explained to we pro choice folks a few days ago that we just dont understand the wrenching moral decisions pro lifers face. Really? Well how nice of Barry to tell we women what we do and do not feel when we face these crisis in our lives. Nah I’ll pass on the SCOTUS dogwhistle this year thanks.If it is so imperative we win, then they should nominate the only GE winner-Hillary.

I’ve just been replying to the emails with an explanation that they should not expect one single dime from me this election cycle until they actually show some leadership and resolve the issue of FL and MI now – when it matters. I go on to say that they should not expect one single dime from me ever again if their resolution embraces Obama’s 48 state strategy instead of embracing the democratic and morally correct choice of counting all the votes. Many of the reply to addresses are real email accounts such as info@whatever.com, so even if they don’t read them, they still get them, just like I still get their pleas for donations.

I’ve just been replying to the emails with an explanation that they should not expect one single dime from me this election cycle until they actually show some leadership and resolve the issue of FL and MI now – when it matters. I go on to say that they should not expect one single dime from me ever again if their resolution embraces Obama’s 48 state strategy instead of embracing the democratic and morally correct choice of counting all the votes. Many of the reply to addresses are real email accounts such as info@whatever.com, so even if they don’t read them, they still get them, just like I still get their pleas for donations.

Mel, That is a very interesting line of inquiry.
Especially from an oversea angle.

All I would need is, lets say Auchi to call up a banker somewhere and ….. donations of random amounts all under 200.00.

In your dreams. Fat cats for Obama are all over the place.

Getty, Soros, Crown, Hyatt, Pritzker, are but a mere drop.

Tons of heavy donors and lobbyist money cleverly bundled.

Go to WashPo as they have a donors site, or Google.

Get real. Obama is getting losts of little money from students and blacks. But without the big bucks, he’s nowhere.

Corporate money is all over Obama and I suggest you look at published facts before you sound off this rot.

Obama has totally lied about his donors.

Go to WashPo or Google and see exactly how much bundled lobbyist $$ he takes. nd BIG donors he cannot do without like Soros,Getty,Pritzker.Oprah,and more than I can write here. He’s taken from theif Rezko for 12 years to advance his political career and is lying and evading.

Axelrod was a lobbyist for Exelon [nuclear energy providers in Illinois],
and O has taken huge amts from them in excess of $200,000.

This guy is a politician but his trolls believe him to be pure and that he’ll “change Washington”. His resume stinks of compromise and collusion, corruptly allowing Rezko to trash rehabs in O’s district. He never said boo!. Why? Rezko fundraised for him for 10 years and delivered high roller donors.

Now in jail, Rezko cannot be barraged with questions, but at some point this whole ugly mess will reach a boiling point. Our media won’t touch it now.

Look what happened when a few overdue questions were asked by ABC?

Precious one lied again about Ayers. Ayers donated $200 for his initial run in Ill senate. Unless you kiss “radical chic’s” ass you are not fully connected” in Chicago with extreme left “elite”. And cannot advance in Dem politics in Daleyland.

Mr Cool milked everyone in Chicago from every side of the left and Afrocentric church including scum Farrakhan to get to US Senate.

Obama’s empty resume needs filling in.

You are totally correct. It’s almost all bundled. O cannot survive without big donors.

I am from Florida, Corinne Brown (a Super Delegate of color for Clinton) said this. We will have the convention center surrounded by Floridians. They will seat Florida or they will seat no one. One of the Black Panthers on an aol blog, said that they would riot if Obama didn’t win. Some say the will kill people. It is really nasty. If it goes to the convention they better have plenty of security. If Obama loses we all better watch out.

I finally called and kept asking for Howard. After about 5 transfers I asked who I was speaking to and her title. I told them I was taking nore on our conversation. I told them who I was, I was not going to contribute, didn’r want any more emails,had trued to unsubscribe and did not like theur crazy system of codes that did not work, etc., and that if I received another email from them my next communication to them would be from mt lawyer. And I told them to get paper and pencil to take his name, address, and phone number down for reference. I also told them it was against the law for them to not allow a person to be be able to unsubscribe from unwanted email. That was about 3 months ago and I have not received another emaul since.

same here, Tiffany. reregistered as independent.

Especially Pelosi and her daughter should be ashamed of themselves. They started a club called The Pelosi club where superdelegates join to say they will vote for whomever has the most pleged delegates and not count the popular vote. This is BS, Pelosis who are making women take two steps back. What f**king jerks.