Comments on: Tyler Drumheller on Torture

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By: David Hughes

David Hughes — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:17:32 +0000

I appreciate what Drumheller is trying to do. One suggestion though. He said on MSNBC with Keith Oberman that: “Americans don’t have a history of torture.” In fact, the opposite is true. Drumheller needs to do his homework. Study how the US military trained Central American colonels to torture at the School of the Americas, or the Vietnamese at Con Son Island political prison.

We are not exceptional.

By: Most Ops Officers Condemn Torture : NO QUARTER

Most Ops Officers Condemn Torture : NO QUARTER — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 01:52:33 +0000

[...] and Tyler Drumheller (former Chief of the European Division). Susan posted a piece featuring Tyler’s commentary the other [...]

By: Benjamin Franklin Berfle

Benjamin Franklin Berfle — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:01:29 +0000

Amen

By: propertius

propertius — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:56:46 +0000

The same goes for the rest of you who find torture so acceptable because of the danger of terrorists. Put your life on hold, your money where your mouth is, and get your backsides in uniforms and shut up.

Amen. I’ll listen to chickenhawks like Bush and Cheney when I see their daughters in BDUs carrying M-16s in Baghdad (and not in the Green Zone, either) or Fallujah. Ann Coulter and Rush Limbauigh should sign up, too.

By: propertius

propertius — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:44:40 +0000

Their defense will continue to be that they were upholding their Constitutional duty

The oath the President takes is to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.”[emphasis mine]

How does violating the Constitution preserve, protect, and defend it?

If anyone really thinks that “enhanced interrogation” has made us safer, then maybe he ought to read this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/torture-it-probably-killed-more-americans-than-911-1674396.html

Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib have been the most effective recruiting tools Al Quaeda could’ve asked for.

By: Baba Rum Raisin

Baba Rum Raisin — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:42:53 +0000

I think we have done things like this in the past, and many things worse than what we know of now.

The “two blindfolded VC in a Huey” method, although non-lethal, qualifies as Torture these days. One supposes that any interrogation technique which causes the InterrogatEE to shit in his pants from fright must, by definition, be Torture.

Each side in our national civil war treated its prisoners worse than cattle. And the Cherokee might feel differently about their displacement under Jackson than an Anglo-centric history of the Trail of Tears would imply.

Nonetheless, it is bad acts as Pursuit of Policy that diminishes us as a people. These policies were promulgated by a bunch of fucking geldings who had, in all likelihood, ever been slapped upside the head, much less taken a cattle prod to the scrotum, more’s the pity.

I have met few individuals in Central Asia and the Persian Gulf region whose removel from the planet (“failing to live up to their Wellness Potential”) would attenuate my life in the least.

Shoot them under Rule .303, but let’s not make them feel bad.

By: Baba Rum Raisin

Baba Rum Raisin — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:23:46 +0000

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By: TeakwoodKite

TeakwoodKite — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 05:00:35 +0000

They do not deserve the courtesy of the Army Field Manual. They are terrorists.

Mandaley, I agree. But owing to fact that you are assuming they are either dead or captured, what the difference?

BO is a clown from no circus I have ever known.

By: TeakwoodKite

TeakwoodKite — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:44:37 +0000

After thinkin on it a most of the day, as I planted an Avacado tree and a fruit tree this afternoon;
…the fruit is where you find it.

John Smith and rw, have you read this mans book?
The only book I have read that has more redactions in it was Mrs Wilson’s. (read, things the CIA does not want you to know but something a person with 35 years of experience under his belt would like to tell you.) Who gives a crap what MSM channel he is on. Maybe if these frakin corporations started interviewing more persons who knew what they are talking about more often, we be able to cut through all the BS the MSM shovels.

Even compensating for this troublesome habit of the CIA, when Drumheller speaks, my advice to you both is, you might want to listen.

Tingle can suck my toe as far as I’m concerned. Mr. Drumheller credibility is beyond reproach regardless of the forum.

By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:26:52 +0000

I don’t see these terrorists as anything other than what they are-punks. Had we dealt with bin Laden in 2001, we wouldn’t be having this discussion now. I stand by my previous statements-we become them when we stoop to their level. You might think that is justified but I don’t. They don’t scare me and won’t cause me to change how I live. I salute them with the middle finger. Screw the terrorists and the camels they rode in on.

By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:10:30 +0000

I disagree with your assessment but for the sake of expediency, let’s assume you are correct. We need the draft, then. Write your elected officials and demand it. Then sign up, youself.

If not, then you’re blowing smoke and hot air. You cannot have it both ways. Either it is as dire as you say or it is bullshit. ‘ll call anyone else on this as well. If this is so bad that we have to torture people, then we must mobilize just as in WWII and take care of it.

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By: Ferd Berfle

Ferd Berfle — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:04:54 +0000

Thanks, Arran.

By: oowawa

oowawa — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:40:53 +0000

Thank you, arran. We cannot lose the moral center of the country. We are the “good guys,” and we cannot become the “bad guys” in the course of fighting the “unspeakably evil guys.” We can prevail, because we control the moral high ground, and we are willing to fight for it and defend it. At least, I hope we still are!

By: Mandelay

Mandelay — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:34:10 +0000

I deeply respect you and your opinion and I honor the bravery of your comrades from the airlines. Do not doubt that my love of this country is as fierce as your own. Like Lincoln, I believe the preservation of this country is even more important than the Constitution.
This enemy is different. They have no laws, they sign no treaties, they do not care what we do or do not do. They will continue to come at us. They have a cause to believe in and a mission to carry out. They have faith and they are not afraid to die for their cause.
Our destruction — whether it is blowing up our buildings or collapsing our communications or other systems or infecting our populations with contagious disease or poisoning our food and water — our destruction is dear to their hearts. It is their reason to live.
They are not soldiers. They are terrorists. They have no right to be treated like soldiers who are P.O.Ws. They are terrorists. The world should put terrorists on notice that they will be treated differently. That would be leading by example, I believe.
Peace to you.