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Nancy: The Hits Keep Comin’ [UPDATE: Boehner Ups The Ante]

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nancypHOT UPDATE: John Boehner is taking it right to Nancy, proving that “what goes around comes around,” and that Obama just did NOT think through the torture memo “blowback.”

Politico‘s Glenn Thrush reports that Rep. Boehner is “asking the Obama administration to release CIA notes taken during a 2002 briefing session with Pelosi and other Congressional leaders.”

Even “Dear Abby” could have given PBO the advice he needed: “THINK!. And make a careful list of the pros and cons, including the possibility you’ll throw your own party leaders under the bus (!). Your MoveOn and Kossack rabblerousers are NOT deep thinkers! Seek the counsel of savvy, experienced men and women.”

Obama’s increasingly heavy reliance on D.C. novice David Axelrod is folly. All Axe envisioned was Republican blood in the water. But Axelrod has NO background — none, zippo! — in Capitol Hill politics warfare. Rahm? Does he think with his gonads or his brain? Methinks that, like Obama, he’s more politician than legislator, and he probably didn’t recall that both Democrats and Republicans attended those intel meetings in 2002. But now it’s too late, the water is bloodied by Democrats and Republicans alike, and here we go:

Boehner is backing efforts by Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.), the ranking member on the House intelligence committee, to release agency’s records of meetings with Congressional members from both parties.

The GOP is hoping to spotlight the fact that Pelosi and other Democrats raised few objections when told about details of the Bush administration “enhanced interrogations” of terror suspects.

“Congress and the American people deserve a full and complete set of facts about what information was yielded by CIA’s interrogation program, and they deserve to know which of their representatives in Congress were briefed about these techniques and the extent of those briefings,” says Boehner, backing Hoekstra’s letter to DNI Dennis Blair.

He adds: “To date, the administration has fallen short in providing this information.

Mr. Hoekstra’s request to Director Blair is straightforward, and the information he is seeking is essential. The American people have been provided an incomplete picture of exactly what intelligence was made available by the interrogation program. It is now the Administration’s responsibility to ensure they are given the full picture — including which members of Congress were briefed on the methods and how extensive those briefings were.”

EARLIER POST:

When one attempts to obsure, deflect, and outright prevaricate as much as Speaker Nancy Pelosi, one can expect critics galore. And that’s just what’s happened. Politico‘s Glenn Thrush has been hammering Nancy hard. This article was published less than an hour ago:

Pelosi playing defense on torture:

Nancy Pelosi didn’t cry foul when the Bush administration briefed her on “enhanced interrogation” of terror suspects in 2002, but her team was locked and loaded to counter hypocrisy charges when the “torture” memos were released last week.

Many Republicans obliged, led by former CIA chief Porter Goss, who is accusing Democrats like Pelosi of “amnesia” for demanding investigations in 2009 after failing to raise objections seven years ago when she first learned of the legal basis for the program.

Had President Obama and team THOUGHT through the blowback from their we’ll-have-it-both-ways approach to the torture memos, they’d have immediately realized the can of worms they were opening for members of their own party. Furthermore, Obama’s failure to look at the entire chessboard is endangering his other programs:

Pelosi finds herself on the defensive at a time when she needs to be on the offensive, pushing through a record-breaking budget, health care reform, a controversial cap-and-trade proposal and a supplemental funding bill for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Someone on Pelosi’s staff spoke anonymously to Thrush:

“As soon as the president made the decision to release [the memos], I was telling people that the Republicans were going to come after us, saying she knew about it and did nothing,” said an adviser to Pelosi (D-Calif.), speaking on condition of anonymity. “And I’m sure we’re going to get hammered again when they release all those new torture photos,” the person said.

Republicans are grateful for the gift:

But Pelosi’s allies were less prepared to confront the fallout from her convoluted answers during three sessions with reporters last week — answers that raised new questions and handed Republicans a fresh line of attack on a speaker at the height of her power.

“I’m puzzled, I don’t understand what she’s trying to say,” said Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.), former chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and currently the committee’s ranking minority member.

“I don’t have any sympathy for her — she’s the speaker of the House; there should be some accountability. She shouldn’t be given a pass,” added Hoekstra.

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) promised to keep up the heat, telling reporters last week, “She and other leaders were fully briefed on all of these interrogation techniques. There’s nothing here that should surprise her.”

This next quote left me both flabbergasted and infuriated — because the Dems’ main concern seems to be how they appear in the media, not whether what Pelosi did and said are right or wrong:

“The Republicans may have won a news cycle, but we’re doing what we want to do,” said Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly, pointing to Pelosi’s legislative successes during President Barack Obama’s first 100 days in office.

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Check Memeorandum.com for blog posts related to Thrush’s article.

For more on Nancy Pelosi’s modus operandi, see “On Pelosi’s Duplicity and Apparent Sandbagging of Elizabeth Warren.”

This attack piece proves how Pelosi and other Democratic leaders let Bush have his way with TARP and ceded ENORMOUS control to the Treasury Department. Now that Elizabeth Warren is analyzing and describing the real problems with TARP, Pelosi is maneuvering to cut her off at the knees. It’s quite a read.

  • politicalidentitycrisis

    Pelosi deserves the heat and I hope she knows what it’s like to lose sleep at night like most of the rest of us. Because of these loser’s and their lack of concern for the citizens they work for, we have worries too numerous to count! For the second time in my life, I’m rooting for the Republicans!

  • Fae

    I am a Democrat all my life! 55 years. Now I am also rooting for the REPUBLICANS! Full steam ahead. You can’t trut any of the Dems anymore. What a disappointment and embarrassment.

  • Fae

    I am a Democrat all my life! 55 years. Now I am also rooting for the REPUBLICANS! Full steam ahead. You can’t trust any of the Dems anymore. What a disappointment and embarrassment.

  • HARP

    I`m sure they will be just as enthusiastic in going after Bill Clinton,”Sandy” Berger and Holder for starting rendition:

    “In the United States, we have this thing called the Constitution, so to bring him here is to bring him into the justice system,” Mr. Berger told the Washington Post in October 2001. “I don’t think that was our first choice. Our first choice was to send him someplace where justice is more ‘streamlined.”

    In other words, the Clinton Administration used the rendering practice with the avowed expectation that suspects would be tortured, or worse. The Bush Administration says it uses it only on condition of humane treatment and assigns personnel to “monitor compliance.” If this is a torture scandal, it didn’t start on September 12, 2001.

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200503120002

  • Diana L. C.

    because the Dems’ main concern seems to be how they appear in the media, not whether what Pelosi did and said are right or wrong:

    When I was in the doctoral program and dealing with a professor whose chosen theory for everything was Marxism, the thing that frustrated me the most was his concern about the media and its effect on the masses. He didn’t even consider discussing issues like what is true and what is not. To him, all history was a lie and the all important thing was controlling the masses.

    I have always tried to be careful not to fall into the conspiracy theory syndrome that seems so prevalent in our country. Right now I am realizing that there doesn’t necessarily have to be an actual conspiracy. What is happening is we have way to many people in positions of power who have the same kinds of notions as my Marxist professor seemed to have: “I am an elite. I am smarter than the rest and thus part of the vanguard, so I get to do as I please.”

  • mountainaires

    The Messiah is humble about his “gift”–well, of course he’s humble, Harry. He’s da messiah! [gag] And, he’s also perfected the art of the charming con.

    Reid says Obama told him–with complete humility–’I have a gift’

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97QNCK81&show_article=1&catnum=3

  • jwrjr

    Obama does have a “gift”. When it comes to BS he makes GWB look like an amateur.

  • tek

    HARP: this is a gross exaggeration. Why does everything always have to be pinned on Bill Clinton before you Republicans can be happy? Just yesterday you were all complaining that the Democrats would blame Bush for everything, but Bush actually started the blame game and the flock perpetuates it.

    I don’t know who’s worse, the Republicans who DID impeach Clinton over a lot of silliness and then tried to convict him for things that had been proven again and again to be false after he left office, or the Democrats who failed to impeach Bush and Cheney for the high crimes they actually committed and now want to go after them.

    Bill Clinton was the last president in memory who won the nomination fairly and gained office fairly. He was certainly the only president in modern times to establish a true democracy where the country was at peace, was prosperous, safe and offered opportunity to everyone.

    I don’t like Obama, but I do get tired of people on this site always trying to turn this into an anit-Democrat blog. I’m not an Obama Democrat, but I haven’t lost sight of the terrible catastrophes Bush/Cheney visited on us all.

  • PJ

    No wonder her eyebrows are always so permanently raised! Surprised that her own actions have been discovered and once again displaying “utter dismay”. What a sorry sack of egregious people that we have elected to shepherd this country.

    Both sides are equally culpable and trying to find a “hero” or “truthteller” is as futile as digging for oil in downtown Akron. Just not there.

  • Peggy Sue

    I think we can safely say that the American public has no clear advocate anywhere in government. Both parties have betrayed the public trust, pillaged the nation’s coffers and is willing to strap future generations with massive debt. Pelosi is an absolute embarrassment. Her wriggling on the torture issue is beyond shame. The press has abandoned their posts as the public’s eyes and ears, and on the rare occasion that a watchdog actually watches, we see evidence of personal sabatoge behind the scenes, ie. Elizabeth Warren.

    And then yesterday, I found the following graphic that was picked up by the Drudge Report, a painting that will be revealed at NYC’s Union Square to commemorate Obama’s 100 day fiasco. Link here:

    http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=96138

    This apparently is what “The Truth” looks like in 2009.

    The world has gone mad!

  • PJ

    No wonder her eyebrows are so permanently arched. Must be hard each time one of your “foibles” is yet again uncovered and you find yourself once again having to “wiggle” your way out of the latest mess to visit your doorstep.

    Trying to find a “hero” or a “truthteller” emerging from either side is an exercise in total futility. Like digging for oil in downtown Akron. Does not exist.

    She can flutter her lashes and stand behind that pasted on smile with the Botox touch, but she has about as much credibility as Cheney and that is not saying very much.

  • MrMike

    Hear, Hear!
    Pelosi was a coward when briefed about “enhanced interrogation” and did nothing. But then so were the republicans that went along with this travesty. Neither party is guilt free but that won’t stop them from taking pot shots at each other rather than solving the problems eight ears of Bush caused aided and abetted by Democrats like Pelosi.

  • Docelder

    I remember some years back, the media was interviewing three world series umpires. The question was about calls… Umpire 1 said “I call them as I see them”. Umpire 2 said “I call them as they are”. Umpire 3 said “They are what I call them”. Yes, control the media sufficiently and reality itself becomes relative.

  • oowawa

    Great story, Docelder!

  • DaddysDarlin

    Poor Nancy! Ha ha ha! I love it, she deserves everything she gets and more. She has helped Obama totally destroy our country.
    We have no credibility in the world anymore. America is a laughing stock. Why? You need only look as far as our so-called leaders.
    Nancy now, Obama next! One by one the dominoes will begin to fall, and soon there will be not one of those rat bastards left on Capitol Hill.
    We will start fresh, with people who look out for their fellow Americans and aren’t out for personal gain. All this is about is personal gain, personal power, none of what is going on has anything to do with the wishes of the American people.
    They work for us, yet they never want our input or our opinions about anything. They feel themselves the rulers of the world, not the keepers of our Constitution.

  • Tom Cat “wodie j” Jefferson Esq

    uh, who was in control of Congress for much of that time Bill was in office? The Republicans. So some of that credit for Bill’s “stellar” performance belongs to them. And I wouldn’t call getting a blow job in the Oval office with an intern “silliness”. I guess unless someone doesn’t care if a person has morals and values.

  • DaddysDarlin

    None of us have forgotten what Bush and Cheney have done, but we certainly didnt think Obama would continue the practices he was so vehemently against while running for president.

  • Tom Cat “wodie j” Jefferson Esq

    I saw that and it’s DISGUSTING. It’s probably just a pathetic attempt and need for attention but it’s sacreligious. To even jest and depict Obama as Jesus Christ on a cross is reprehensible. Judgement Day is coming for people like this as well as Obama, the Democrats and Pelosi.

  • Tom Cat “wodie j” Jefferson Esq

    Well Pelosi and the lot of them are a bunch of damn hypocrites, no?

  • I’m a Linda too

    “The Republicans may have won a news cycle, but we’re doing what we want to do,” said Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly

    yes and the Democrats HAVE been doing what they want to do all along, haven’t they? That includes torturing.

  • Peggy Sue

    I was appalled when I saw this the other day at Liberal Rapture, wodie. It’s beginning to circulate on the blogs.

    It’s a sad [and yes, repulsive] visual depiction of where we find ourselves right now.

    And it’s laughingly referred to as: Art

  • Docelder

    Yes, the parties are functional equivalents to each other… both equal in ineptitude and corruption. This has become a game to them. Win one here lose one there… nobody cares that the wins and losses come with human cost to us all. We have become powerless over the system itself to the extent that the parties feel they no longer need to consider us at all. That needs to change.

  • HARP

    tek I have been a Democrat since 62 so don`t tell me about loyalty. Once this phony came along I became an Indy and will forever remain such. I don`t care if its Bush or Clinton….if they screwed up then they need to answer to their employer (us). I can not and will not support anyone who believes this self centered maniac is good for the country.

  • Ani

    “Won the news cycle”??? — that’s what Pelosi et al are worried about? Who won the news cycle? If you listen to that rhetoric, it just sounds like all they are concerned with is their own power and the ability to do what the hell they want — the Repubs did this years ago as well threateneing the “Nuclear” option to stop filibusters. Now the Dems are threatening the same. Two sides of the same wrong coin and the American people’s needs and concerns be damned.

    The powers that be are too busy playing in their own fancy sandbox and peons like us don’t really matter very much.

  • Scout

    Say it, tek!

    The anti-Clinton rhetoric on this blog lately has been off-putting to say the least. And when you say B. Clinton was the last to fairly gain his party’s nomination and the presidency, you are so right.

    As for the impeachment shenanigans that the Republicans put us through: while I was angry that Clinton carried on in our oval office, let’s face it, a bj is not even in the same universe as misleading the congress and the nation on a false path to war.

  • http://noquarterusa No-nonsense-Nancy

    We need to continue to have our voices heard since these idiots are distroying our republic. WE THE PEOPLE are and can be the majority of the electorate in this country. We must make our voices heard!

    As for the rediculous painting, I read where the artist may have meant it to be satire, but still, it shouldn’t be displayed where people have to look at it everyday. They should raise a fuss until it is taken down.

  • propertius

    I did. Once he flipped on public financing and telecom immunity, it was pretty clear to me that Obama would just be Bush III.

  • Mary Miller

    Hello…Looks like you should do some reading before speaking..’blow jobs’ in Washington are as old news as it gets..Kennedy-Bush, Sr.-Clinton-Bush, Jr.-Eisenhower–the list goes on and on.
    The Repubs led by Dobson decided they needed to do ‘something’ to hurt Clinton..because of his successes, in spite of their alleged crimes was the most popular and accomplished President in history. The Repubs were marionettes Gingrich, Lott and several others-had their purse strings controlled by Dobson and his CCC because he owns 200 Christian radio stations he uses to raise campaign funds for his faves. He actually sent for Gingrich and Lott-told them if they did not do something to Clinton to dishonor him he (Dobson) would cut their reelection funds from his sources. Read all about it in the archives of US World and News report. They had the guts to write about it.
    SO..that being said..leave the blow jobs out of the commentary. Who cares? It has nothing to do with Clintons personal morals-it had only to do with his personal ego. Not our basis for judgement on his Presidential performance. If we are going to use ego as an identifier how could we view any Obama as anything else other than a ….
    We need to judge on promises made-kept or broken- policies made-for the ‘folks’ or his cadre of tax cheats and angry black friends-civility? Shaking hands with Chavez and bowing to a murderer who imprisons woman -what else do you need to know? Good for the goose? An aunt who has been stealing welfare since 2000 shielded by the Kennedy’s and Patrick Deval? Yeah-thats as good as Caroline Kennedy illegally hiring undocumented aliens to work in her home and then feigning innocence.
    Yeah lets call Clinton-a man who entered the White House with an old mustang and a plastic watch and left the same way..a cheat and a ‘blow jobber’..yeah..

  • Kathy

    And let’s add to this that blow-jobs was all anyone could come up with after years and years and millions of dollars worth of investigation into Whitewater and any other rock they could overturn. What a waste of time and money and that’s all they could pin on Bill.

  • Cindy

    Thanks for the great post.
    This is going to be GREAT theater! I’m popping some corn right now and finding a comfortable chair.
    Fun times ahead!

  • jbjd

    “[F]airly,” as in abiding by the existing legal construct.

  • Tom Cat “wodiej” Jefferson Esq

    I am not saying the Republicans are without fault! Getting a blow job from a woman he wasn’t married to isn’t about personal morals?? You’ve got to be kidding me, really??

  • http://deleted Aaron

    You just don’t get it. Obama will trash any and all in order to increase his power. Obama is a master politician and he is very aware of everything he does. He will trash Congress and then go on the airwaves and ask “the people” to give him more power in order to really change Washington. People hate his policies but love him, look at the recent polls. Obama is making Pelosi a political lightweight/has been and now he will control the House with no questions asked.

    The guy is an evil genius.

  • Benjamin Cardozo

    it just sounds like all they are concerned with is their own power and the ability to do what the hell they want

    Absolutely. I have the misfortune from time to time to come into contact with the the Democratic Party elite here in a very Democratically Party controlled city, which btw includes Pelosi’s district, and metropolitan area as a whole.

    The talk is never of the merits of the issues or the merits of candidate, but only of how many Ds can be put into each branch of government, local, state and federal. Everything is spin, ask a bona fide question of an issue or candidate, and you are quickly shouted down. It is pure sound bite politics, no depth, no thought on anything.

    It seems both political parties have become competing Borg, you shall be assimilated into one or the other and lose all independent thought. It is all about identity and identity politics, you attack your opponent only for having the wrong identity, not for the contrary position on an issue, as in he has nothing of value to add to the conversation, why gasp he is a Republican. From my vantage point, it appears the Democrats have become the most Borg like of the parties.

    Here the Democrats have seized virtual; total control of power. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  • Tom Cat “wodiej” Jefferson Esq

    I think at least some Republicans like Mike Huckabee and some others can at least be honest and say their party screwed up too. I believe their 8 years is what helped Obama and the Democrats get control. You know it’s bad when Democrats voted Republican and/or left the party.

    Clinton set up the Republican Bush win by his indescretion I think. Republicans then were chewing the bit to get something on him. It was not only immoral what he did, it was flat out STUPID. The Clintons sold us out when they backed Obama.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    I second that. The differences are only skin-deep, as it were.

  • Hg

    Yep. You are so right, and Hillary Clinton is helping the first socialist president of the USA.

  • Eastan McNeal

    The fastest way to get a promotion in the military is to be next in line when your commander is shot. I am going out to cut the grass (don’t ask who’s heads will be on my mind) and when I get back I fully expect someone here will be able to answer:

    Now that the commander of the house is wounded who did Rahm NameOfaPornMovie have in mind to be the next speaker, once his little memo trick clears the deck of all that old wood?

  • jbjd

    People, I am a little confused. I absolutely agree that NP’s acquiescence in torture – assuming the reports that she attended these meetings where torture was discussed – needs to be exposed. In fact, by insisting the notes of these meetings are made public, the R’s find themselves in a win-win situation. That is, revealing her complicity will perhaps fatally damage her chances at re-election; but forestalling disclosure by declaring this to be in the interest of national security will damage BO and her! But here is my question.

    Barney Frank is in large part responsible for the Fanny/Freddie disaster. And his hypocrisy as to his role in the sham is legion; NQ ran a great chronological spread highlighting his doublespeak. (I contributed a link to his campaign commercial (again) But where was Politico or John Boehner on that issue?

    In other words, when it comes to bringing down NP or BF, why do these men seem to be so anxious to de-throne this woman and not him?

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Agreed but I’ll take it one step further-he has a gift–he’s an idiot savant, good at getting his what he craves but woefully inept at doing anything once he gets it.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Susan:

    Can you extricate my comment from the rinse and/or spin cycle?

  • Peggy Sue

    I agree, Susan: the Dems [Obama, Axelrod and the other "ah-hem" Dem advisors] did “not” think this one through. They were not thinking in long-term, big picture scenarios [unless they really want the country to implode].

    I am against torture, waterboarding or any of these “enhanced interrogation” practices [you gotta love the euphemisms]. I’ve said it once; I’ve said it dozens of times. But . . .

    What are we going to gain by a year or more of self-flagellation, after the fact, after the damage has been done? I would have respected Obama, had he come out and said: we will “not” repeat the grievous mistakes of the past. We will not confuse revenge for justice or pretend that these practices are anything but wrong and against our national principles and interests. Mistakes were made in a moment of crisis, but from this day forward we vow: no more. That I could respect and get on board with.

    But what do we get? Politics as usual. And Nancy Pelosi’s response and wriggle? It makes me ashamed to be a Democrat.

    I’m sorry. I do not think a witch hunt will serve the nation’s interest. The Dems do not have clean hands in this matter. If Obama does not stop this now [and please, don't tell me it's up to DOJ; you're the bloody Prez for crying out loud], we’re looking at a political circus that will be as damaging to our national identity and moral authority as the original acts.

    Obama needs to step up to the plate and act like a leader, instead of pretending he’s still a lame, pandering candidate.

    I’m not holding my breath. But do we really want a round of bread and circuses, while the Nation’s future is being wagered away in the next room?

    A huge mistake, IMHO.

  • http://www.sonicninjakitty.wordpress.com Sonic Ninja Kitty

    Very good point, but maybe because she’s higher on the totem pole?

    I’m sick of all the doublespeak and just want to see pinks slips start flying–I really don’t care who’s first.

  • Hg

    Simple. Ladies first. It’s called misogyny.

  • SHV

    In other words, when it comes to bringing down NP or BF, why do these men seem to be so anxious to de-throne this woman and not him?
    *********
    The Republicans are just stirring up sh*t but if Pelosi knew about torture and did nothing about it, under US law, she can be charged with war crimes. If she were charged under Title 18..2441 and convicted, she could receive the death penalty. IMHO, I think the rule of law and the American political scene would improve if senior congressional members of both parties were tried for War Crimes.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Political acumen is my primary concern. Had Bush been getting bjs, not listened to Cheney, and not got us into the Iraq mess, all he would be guilty of would have been getting bjs.

    I’ll take Clinton and his sexual escapades and bimbo eruptions any day over Puritanical ideologues.

  • SHV

    In other words, when it comes to bringing down NP or BF, why do these men seem to be so anxious to de-throne this woman and not him.
    *********
    I didn’t answer the question..there is a big difference between being a War Criminal and just a sleazy, corrupt politician like B. Frank.

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Hillary Clinton is serving her country and all of us. I for one am thrilled that her brains and knowledge are being put to such great use. She is an intelligent, no-nonsense voice who can counter the political gaming of the rest. She is doing a remarkable job through her travels and her advocacy for so many problems — from tough diiplomacy with Iran to human rights to aiding Americans caught up in terrifying situations overseas. Her recent trip to Iraq was very important in that she reassured nervous iraqis and aided the introduction of Christopher Hill as our ambassador.

    We don’t take kindly to criticisms of Hillary, especially when she’s working her heart out to do what is right for the nation, not to mention the world.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    IMHO, I think the rule of law and the American political scene would improve if senior congressional members of both parties were tried for War Crimes.

    As well as those who ordered it….

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Scout, let me know and i’ll gladly take on anyone criticizing the Clintons . susanunpc at gmail dot com

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    Be sure to e-mail me when this happens — susanunpc at gmail dot com — much better than the chances of me seeing your comment.

    But our spam filter is down to zero so one of our hard-working writers pitched in today. Your comment should be up.

    (BE SURE not to post it more than once. I think you know that. I’m just adding that in case others see this note. It doesn’t help, and actually reduces the odds your comments will show up in the future. E-mail me instead. Thanks.)

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Thanks, Susan. I thought you might be monitoring so I thought I’d try it before emailing you. I’ll do as you ask in future.

    Thanks, again

    Ferd.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Each party is oriented towards the money and the power it bequeaths. That we can elect a Vice President who wrapped himself in a flag he never served and a President who, for all intents and purposes, was AWOL and then follow that up with the epitome of a babe boob in arms and a sodden senator, I’d say both parties have completely outlived whatever usefulness they might have had in the past.

    Neither party represents our best interests and neither puts country ahead of party. Screw them both. I’ll remain independent.

  • Hg

    I see Hillary Clinton as a politicain who will do anything to further her political career–even being subservient to a socialist president.

  • jbjd

    Yes, except that, as R’s cannot avoid exposure by exposing everyone else at those meetings, it seems incongruous that they would insist on such exposure at the risk of subjecting themselves to charges that they committed ‘war crimes,’ which could result in punishments cited.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    i wonder if she is still playing kissie face with potus.hmmm.or is she a tad p.o.ed

  • I’m a Linda too

    UPDATE…lmao….they are so deserving of this latest turn of their making.

  • http://noquarter foxyladi14

    well said Susan..if folks want to trash my hero.they should go somewhere else..
    imho Hillary is the only one there with a lick of sense..

  • SHV

    Yes, except that, as R’s cannot avoid exposure by exposing everyone else at those meetings, it seems incongruous that they would insist on such exposure at the risk of subjecting themselves to charges that they committed ‘war crimes,’ which could result in punishments cited.
    ***********
    I don’t think anyone every accused Boehner of being smart. I doubt if anyone who was in congress and who voted for the War Crimes law actually read it or remembered that the law existed when they enabled war crimes from 2002 onward.

  • SHV

    Yes, except that, as R’s cannot avoid exposure by exposing everyone else at those meetings, it seems incongruous that they would insist on such exposure at the risk of subjecting themselves to charges that they committed ‘war crimes,’ which could result in punishments cited.
    *********
    Of course the more likely explanation is the theory of mutual assured destruction. If Pelosi et al are also looking at a possible death sentence, they are more likely to let the Republicans off of the hook.

  • TeakWoodKite

    It is A REAL LOW POINT when the Speaker of the House says she did not know as senior member of the House Intelligence (for 14 years)and then Speaker.

    A) She is dumber than dirt that she does not know about the details and what that infers as a ranking member of the House, is we are in deep sh*t.
    B) She thinks the American people are dumber than dirt, in that her bold face lying is put forth as “factual” and she is under the Socialist illusion that no one questions their government any more.

    Either way Rockerfeller and Pelosi must have literal stack of “notes to self” lock in a safe.

    How would you not know the head of the FBI treatened to resign over this?

  • Baba Rum Raisin

    Obozo, Axel and Rahm piss on a sparkplug!

    Film at 11:00, talking heads screeching 24/7.

  • FranSC

    she (Pelosi) has helped Obama totally desroy our country

    What? Helped? Nancy Pelosi has been the one in charge before, during, and since the election. She ANNOUNCED right after the ge results that they (she!) would have the stimulus legislation ready as soon as he was sworn in so 0 could hit the ground running and have quick success in solving the economic crisis. I believe it was Jan 21 the stimulus legislation was introduced that had been laying in Pelosi’s desk drawer. Yet Axelrod, Emanuel and that mob would have us believe BO pulled all of that together between Nov 4 and Jan 20th. Yeah, right! And like the congress people didn’t read it either. Only Pelosi knows for sure what’s in there.

    That package and everything else that has been done on the domestic side has come from Pelosi’s office. Thank God, he has Hillary taking care of the foreign policy side. Left to his own devices, he cuddles up to dangerous leaders to show *humility* and reassures them they have nothing to fear from the US. Great show of strength! BO does not YET know what hit him on Nov 4th! Much less had the time or know-how to put ANYTHING together. I’m amazed that even on this site people still give him more credit than he deserves – not that anyone deserves credit or flattery for most of what has been done.

    Pelosi wanted to be the most powerful *person* in Washington, and doggone it, she has achieved it!

  • Elizabeth

    What are we going to gain by a year or more of self-flagellation, after the fact, after the damage has been done? I would have respected Obama, had he come out and said: we will “not” repeat the grievous mistakes of the past. We will not confuse revenge for justice or pretend that these practices are anything but wrong and against our national principles and interests. Mistakes were made in a moment of crisis, but from this day forward we vow: no more. That I could respect and get on board with.
    Personally, I don’t care who is responsible or whether they are republican or democrat. Whoever is found to be complicit should face the consequences for their part. Appoint the special prosecutor and then get out of the way. Let the facts lead the investigation and then prosecute accordingly. It’s the only legitimate course of action if we’re ever to regain any credibility on the world stage or among our own citizenry. The nation survived Watergate and Whitewater and we’ll recover our optimism and equilibrium after this as well, but not if it is swept under the rug of good intentions. There was legal wrongdoing and there must be a reckoning under the law.

    Or, as an editorial in the NYT spoke so eloquently and powerfully last January:

    If we declare presumptively that there can be no justice for high-level government officials who acted illegally then we exhibit the same contempt for the rule of law.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/opinion/11lithwick.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=lithwick&st=cse

  • arran

    I was on my way to dig up Jesse Jackson, 3rd’s statement in the primary that Obama’s election will be like the second coming when I found this blog:

    (Does anyone recall Obama making this statement?

    “…A Light Will Shine Through That Window, A Beam Of Light Will Come Upon You, You Will Experience An Epiphany…And You Will Suddenly Realize That You Must Go To The Polls And Vote For Obama.”

    –Barack Obama, Lebanon, NH, 1-07-08)

    http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

    Down along the right-hand side are “conversions.”

    The madness continues….

  • TeakWoodKite

    I would like that picture just as much as a boat hanging from the crane …. dam pirates.

  • Peggy Sue

    Is Hillary Clinton a saint? No. Is she a politician. Without a doubt. But HRC has a long and distinguished career in public service, reaching out to those who rarely have a voice [women and children] and trying to make a true difference. She looks at the board as a whole. All you need do is listen to her press appearances [ususally without notes and certainly without a teleprompter] to realize you’re watching an extraordinary woman.

    I am not an Obama fan. But I thank God he had to the good sense to appoint Hillary Clinton to SOS. She’s a woman of enormous talent and intelligence. I’m equally grateful that Obama appointed Gates to DOD, a man of undeniable experience and Jones at the head of NSA.

    Maybe it’s just me. But I’m grateful to the God of Small [but Important] Things.

  • OMG

    I’m sick of the Republican Meme against Hillary. Republicans have been harrassing Hillary for years. It’s time they get a new victim. Hillary is the best and will not succumb to Republicans trashing her.
    Trashing Hillary on a pro Hillary site in hopes that her loyal supporters will turn on her will not work.
    Republicans can believe whatever they want about Hillary but they are not right.
    Wasn’t it Republicans who put Squatter Obama in the whitehouse by voting for him in the primaries and then many of them not voting at all in the regular election?
    Don’t blame Hillary. She is far superior to the Republican drunken bum who raped our constitution and who recently left the office of the presidency.

  • TeakWoodKite

    HG, get your eyes checked. Of course she is a politician.

    But a rare one, in that she herself said BO is clueless. Why then would she bother being a part of what many consider to be an illegitimate president and his administration? It ain’t her carreer that she puts on the line in working with BO the chickensh*t POTUS.

    BO is a fraud, but he is the POTUS, at the moment. I for one am glad there are some adults in the room such as SOS Clinton to baby sit this fool. Sad that it needs doing but there it is.

    Are ya under the impression that she would run for POTUS 2012? Ain’t gonna happen.

  • arran

    The linked blog above is chocked full of quotes from “mad” people.

    What Rep. Jesse Jackson,Jr. said on Obama’s winning the Dem presidential nomination was:

    “The event itself is so extraordinary that another chapter could be added to the Bible to chronicle its significance.”

    Wacko.

  • I’m a Linda too

    Maybe we should thank the Democrats for finishing off the 2 party system.

  • JustMe~~

    Yes I remember that statement….

    so creepy

  • I’m a Linda too

    They are laughing at Americans. They say “if it worked over and over again for Presidenot Obama, it will work for us too”.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    “The event itself is so extraordinary that another chapter could be added to the Bible to chronicle its significance.”

    Wow, pride cometh before a fall.

  • Docelder

    Having time to think this through. Maybe Obama, or at least his planners are craftier than we give them credit for. There is no doubt Pelosi… though powerful in her own right, has a largely negative opinion of herself outside her immediate political circle. Maybe, this was intentional. Maybe she will now quietly be whisked away and someone who at least appears more moderate and less abrasive can take her place. Just a thought.

  • JustMe~~

    the bigger they are they harder they fall…

    Yes~~ now thats change we can believe in!

  • ziggy

    The GOP is hoping to spotlight the fact that Pelosi and other Democrats raised few objections when told about details of the Bush administration “enhanced interrogations” of terror suspects.

    What makes them so sure that’s what would wind up in the spotlight? It might be revealed that the Bush administration sold torture the same way they sold the need for an invasion of Iraq.

    They’re going to risk that possibility, hoping to make a case that democrats didn’t try hard enough to stop them?

    It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

  • snosandy

    I think Amnesia Nancy is a good moniker for her that should stick.

  • JustMe~~

    zippy no slow motion please next time the train is at the station make sure you jump on it we promise you will be outta here pretty fast….

  • Peggy Sue

    If I respected the Democratic majority to make this anything but a circus, I would agree Elizabeth. But all I see is a huge disaster in the making, a witch hunt with nothing but disastrous and unforeseen results.

    The fact that George Soros is cheerleading for this end, makes me all the more suspicious.

    I would have gladly supported impeachment in 2006, but Pelosi quickly took that off the table. But this? I cannot in good conscience support it. The whole thing gives me bad vibes.

    We shall see.

  • Docelder

    I can see the congressional hearings now… the answer repeats itself over and over… “I have no recollection of that”. Even so, it would be great to watch her wax melt under the T.V. camera lights.

  • Park Slope Pubby

    As far as I can tell, the big “issue” here are opinions, legal opinions, as to what constituted “torture”. I don’t see that it makes sense to prosecute justice department lawyers for offereing legal opinions. How is that a crime?

    It only makes sense to go after the people who actually committed the crime, which would be Bush, I guess. Even Pelosi, what did she do? Listen and not object.

    I don’t think Obama is so crazy as to go after Bush (it would look so bad). I don’t think they thought this out at all. I agree that Axelrod is in way over his head. Now I think they will just try to make it go away.

    Or maybe that’s assuming they have common sense. The other two possibilities are: 1) that Obama is an idiot and 2) that he wants to tear America apart. Of course, both could be true.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    It might be revealed that the Bush administration sold torture the same way they sold the need for an invasion of Iraq.

    All torture is wrong Zippy, and if your masters owners were in the know or bought into immoral and illegal acts, then they should suffer the consequences. You’re just as bad as the bushbots, little troll. I don’t care who, from what party, or for what reason–if they knew and did nothing, they are as guilty as those who perpetrated it–period and end of discussion. You actually might try for once in your existence at being an American first and stop the party-line bs.

    That train wreck you mention may be heading in your direction.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Indeed. A fitting end for a comic-strip troll.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Indeed.

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    Yes~~ now thats change we can believe in!

    YES WE CAN!

    LMAO

  • Benjamin Franklin Berfle

    I’ve said this before–HRC is doing this because she is a real American and understands that there needs to be someone in this administration who is an adult. She understood (and understands) what a complete neophyte he is and said so.

    Should she have declined and allowed someone of lesser character to become SoS? Hmm? No. She was obligated to serve if for no other reason than to be the dorm monitor at the Frat-Boy White House.

  • Peggy Sue

    Ziggy said:

    “What makes them so sure that’s what would wind up in the spotlight?”

    What makes you think that it won’t? Be careful what you wish for or pretend to know, Ziggy.

    That train wreck could be headed for us all. Unless, of course, you think George Soros and his ilk have the interest of the United States at the forefront of their vast financial considerations.

    Hahahaha.

  • SHV

    What makes them so sure that’s what would wind up in the spotlight? It might be revealed that the Bush administration sold torture the same way they sold the need for an invasion of Iraq.
    **********
    Boehner knows that if DOJ applies the law, Republicans are toast. He also knows what the Dems on the intel committee were told; that is why he wants the CIA minutes released. Under US law if Pelosi was briefed on torture and enabled it or didn’t try to stop it, she is just as guilty as the person holding the watering can.

  • Portia Elizabeth Crockett

    I’d also like to know the answer to that one.

  • ConfusedAmerican

    I will admit McCain helped a bit. I have been voting Dem since my very first election at 21.
    But with all the mess around Obama I just didnt trust the guy. I didnt trust Obama the first time I heard him speak. However, I really wanted Obama to make it and get our country back on its feet… Dang we even lower in the gutter than Bush ever brought us.

  • QUEENIE

    Docelder..

    I was thinking the same thing..nothing Obie does is not well thought out and planned..

    I believe this is all to take down those he wants out of his way…

    But do remember he was court ordered to release these memo’s..his options were very little..he is no hero in releasing these memo’s.

  • Docelder

    If Pelosi goes down… I would be the first to give him a high five for it, or a knuckle bump, or a Venezuelan unity shake. That might be the first good thing he would have done so far for this country.

  • Don

    “… it was pretty clear to me that Obama would just be Bush III.”

    I would agree with one exception, I think the Usurper is worse in that GW at least seemed to support the US whereas the Usurper continually, somewhat event in the primaries, to be anti-US.

  • Don

    Likewise a registered democrat from 1962 until May 31, 2008. As I posted above I too believe that the Usurper certainly is not good for the US as he so far has shown himself to be the most anti-US president in my lifetime.

  • Don

    Mixed feelings about Hillary. I supported her in the primaries and was disappointed when she agreed to be part of the Usurper’s team. She certainly is far more experienced and intelligent than the Usurper.

    I would have to disagree in particular statement you make about the Usurper having the good sense to appoint Hillary. I think there is or was something political behind the scenes for his appointing her; like maybe, the Usurper garnering some support from her supporters. Frankly I think that Hillary and Gates are the only two trustworthy people in the Usurper’s administration.

  • QUEENIE

    Ziggy , there will be no statue of limitations on war crimes..If NP knew and did nothing , there are some of the prisoners that died as a result of torture by our government..that is murder…then she was the gatekeeper for an administration that should have been impeached..at the least..but she kept them off her freaking table bullshit , of which she really had no right to , because she is supposed to be trepresenting us..we the people..she would be doubly a criminal if she did this to save her own ass!!! There is .no statue of limitations on Murder..do you understand that? And if she allowed it after getting brieifings, and i am not saying she did , everyone is innocent before proven guilty , but if she is indeed guilty of knowing these war crimes were going on and did nit stop them,,she is equally guilty.

    see this story..and maybe you Zippy will understand,.this man was a Guard..an evil guard, but a guard, he was not in the position NP was in this.
    He followed orders of which there is no defense of in war crimes.

    NP would be considered as one giving the orders since she was in a position to stop any war crimes from being committed or ordered.

    Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk was picked up in his home in Cleveland and he was transported on a guerney..Apr 14th, 2009
    http://www.mashget.com/us/2009/04/14/agents-pick-up-nazi-war-crimes-suspect/

    …………………………………………..

    CLEVELAND – A federal appeals granted a stay of deportation to Germany for accused Nazi death camp guard John Demjanjuk, but the frail 89-year-old Ukraine native had been removed from his suburban Cleveland home by six immigration officers using a wheelchair.
    http://www.mashget.com/most-viewed/2009/04/14/alleged-nazi-guard-gets-stay-of-deportation/

  • Don

    I think that one of her plastic surgeries probably put those eyebrows in that position permanently!

  • Peggy Sue

    You may be right, Don, the way this washed out. I’m just glad Clinton and Gates are there. But I absolutely agree with your final statement:

    “Frankly I think that Hillary and Gates are the only two trustworthy people in the Usurper’s administration.”

    Well, at least we have two trustworthy people! Better than none at all. :0)

  • http://noquarterusa.net/ SusanUnPC

    And thank god for that reporter at Politico who covers the Hill. He’s a breath of fresh air. Like Jake Tapper. And they both have obviously developed the connections needed to get the good stuff and report it.

    I just hope, though, that we all keep foremost that this began in the White House by a bunch of amateurs who did NOT think through the release of those documents. I am convinced that Axelrod and Emanuel thought this would damage the Republicans but they’re too ignorant to realize how soiled the hands of the Democrats are on the torture matters. Meanwhile, the intelligence community is shaken badly by this and by the prospect of public hearings that will make HumInt even more difficult. (Larry’s post of the e-mails from his two good friends are very telling — how difficult it is to develop great sources, especially in the Middle East — and now it’s going to be even more difficult. Of course, we don’t have enough HumInt pros in the field anyway and are too reliant on high tech intel instruments. It’s a mess.)

  • jyotinc

    Instead of concentrating to solve our economic problems, the Dems decided to open another can of worms. So let’s see whose going to fall first, Pelosi or Obama. Bush is out!

  • beachnan

    Obama has a “gift”? May we return the gift and Obama for a refund? BTW, Reid is an idiot.

  • MrMike

    Remember the CW during the primaries was Nancy backed Barack because she thought she could control him.
    Maybe this is his way of getting her off his back.

  • Scout

    Thanks, Susan.

  • trixta

    “I’m not an Obama Democrat, but I haven’t lost sight of the terrible catastrophes Bush/Cheney visited on us all.”

    Absolutely!

  • JustMe~~

    maybe you were in for a second rinse Ferd…
    lol

  • Susan1968

    I supported Hillary to the end. I cast a protest vote against Obama. First time in my life voting for the republican for president. But I was able to do it because I always liked John McCain.

    Honestly — if someone else was running instead of Mac, my protest vote would have been to stay home.

    With all this said — Obama is our president now, during a trying time in this country and around the world.

    Give the man a chance. Bill Clinton made a lot of goofy mistakes in his first year. And he wasn’t dealing with two wars and a destroyed economy.

    As far as the memos and Pelosi? Here’s my take — Obama is throwing the rotten apples out of his own party. I think he did it on purpose.

    Pelosi is corrupt (funneling money to her husband). She has stalled the house of reps for over two years playing her political games. She’s too drunk with power.

    There is no way Obama and his advisors did not see this coming. He KNEW this would happen.

    He wants Pelosi out. Good for him. I agree.

    When her constituents relaize she talks out of both sides of her mouth, she will lose next cycle.

    Someone should go check to see who the DNC has been grooming in her district. That’s who Obama wants in.

  • FranSC

    My feelings about Hillary are as strong as ever, but I do agree that her appt as SoS was a highly political move on both their parts. But, not to worry. Hillary would never do anything to undermine our country or herself.

    On the other hand, I firmly believe people like Pedesta, Emanuel, & Penetta warned B0 that he had best appt Hillary to something worthy of her expertise or else be ready for Bill Clinton to follow through on his late October 2008 ‘promise’ to tell what he really thought about the primaries. You can forget the Lincolnesque high-brow crap about putting his enemies into his cabinet as his motivation for appointing Hillary. He is too thin-skinned for anything that magnanimous.

    Hillary is making a huge effort to show she is carrying out B0′s foreign policy and not “making” different policies from his. A great example of this was last week when she appeared before the congressional committee and it was pointed out by a sarcastic republican congressman, “Well, Madame Secretary, that’s not what you said in the primaries”. Hillary quickly shot back, “B0 won the election. I lost a primary where the president won on this issue.”

    While she is being magnanimous, I think she is reserving her right to challenge him in one way or another, perhaps even running against him. However, I fear he has squandered her best opportuntiy to be POTUS by being so narcissistic, crass, and really stupid to be talked into running by Pelosi, Dean and even Nelson Mandella who reportedly told him, “The time is Now.” I’ve always admired Mandella until he said that. That was unmitigated stupidity on his part as well.

  • FranSC

    For anyone doubting B0 is a narcissist, that statement, “I have a gift, Harry”, is the proof. Why didn’t 0′s Mom teach him that was Mom talk and not something he should tell other people about himself. What an educated fool! Certainly, no common sense.

  • FranSC

    As far as the “amateurs” releasing the documents without forethought, they have been so drunk with power that it never occurred to them that the republicans would come up with valid proof that Pelosi was at the briefings and said nothing to the contrary.

    The republicans have stumbled around as badly as the new kids on the block. They have almost deserved the party of “no” label until somebody FINALLY got some spunk, backbone, and most importantly, found their memory and a way to prove it – with minutes from the meetings. This is their best moment so far! And I am rooting for more.

  • Seattle Moss

    Fran,
    The former administration has the goods on these revisionists.
    You have heard them today squirming around usurping all the threads realizing that the game is up.

    The revisionists have suffered a huge defeat!

    They better run and hide as a juggernaut of lawyers from the former administration cracks this baby wide open.

    We will see who the villains are then!

  • Seattle Moss

    Wodiej…

    It was not only immoral what he did, it was flat out STUPID. The Clintons sold us out when they backed Obama.

    This begets the question

    How expensive was that BJ

    Ruined the rest of Clinton’s term..
    Prevented Clinton from an aggressive foreign policy in getting Bin Laden.
    Help cause Gore to lose by running against Clinton’s record
    Helped cause Hillary to lose by turning off a core group that never would vote for her because she stayed in the marriage.

    Very expensive BJ indeed!!

    8 years of Bush and now Obama

  • TeakwoodKite

    Zing! Her holy wax of Obama, the sacrament melting under the kleg lights.

    Ga night Nancy, Good night John, Good night Irene…

    “HUH??…whew! …for a second there I thought you were Michelle…what relief…Good night Janet.” (BO snores off to sleep.)

  • warehouse553

    If Hillary had run against Obama as an independent blacks would have rioted in the streets. If she had somehow won the general election, blacks would have done everything to sabotage her administration so that Obama could run in 2012. I am not exaggerating. Hillary is afraid to anger black people its that simple. She is working for Obama to appease them. They are the base of the Democrat Party in the primary. What was she suppose to do? You think this racial stuff that they did to her would not haver escalated. His color is his greatest weapon.

  • Mary Miller

    Dont you ‘folks’ see where this is going? Its going to blow up on Pelosi and ..ta..da..get her out of Obama’s way..-no longer useful–under the bus–does that sound familiar?

  • arran

    Hillary is NOT afraid to anger blacks. I don’t know where you get this cockamamie nonsense from. 40% of the electorate is made up of independent, or unaffiliated, voters like me. There have been anecdotal revelations of 0-voter remorse.

    O had a difficult time *closing* the primary deal with unlimited money and media support, if not crowning.

    O better beware of voters like me who will be working against his 2012 win.

    His color will have nothing to do with the 2012 election; hardly a weapon, more a mute point.

  • arran

    …his 2012 run.

    Obama is actually President “lite”.

    You think reaction to this racial, and sexist, stuff they did to her won’t escalate in her favor and defense?

    We don’t forget.

  • jeremy

    if i knew someone was going to kill my daughter i would waterboard the crap out of them. and then pull out my pistol after i got info. just my two cents!

  • TexasMirth

    You and me both, Jeremy.

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