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Kill the Pigs?

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Reporting from Mexico Points to a Veracruz State Pig Farm in February.  


Henry Miller, Hoover Institution, reported Sunday 26 consistent with his years of work with  J B S that the most likely source of the killer swine flu (an antigenic creation, part swine, avian and human virus) is the rural humans who live in close proximity to pig livestock.  Here is the pay-off for Henry Miller’s prescience for identifying the pig as the killer’s kitchen.  The Virginia-based pork empire Smithfield Foods partly owns a massive Confined Animal Feeding Operation (CAFO) in La Gloria, in deeply agrarian Veracruz 

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State, where Mexican officials now argue the swine flu outbreak commenced in mid February.  The first victim, Patient Zero Hombre So Far, was a four year-old boy, who has since recovered.  not waiting on the pig disputations.  Russia, China and the Philippines have stopped pork imports.  A CAFO is a mega pig farm, and in La Gloria there are one million pigs under clouds of black flies and a suffocating stink.  It is also called a manure lagoon.  Some other residents fell sick in February.  Health officials sealed the town and sprayed the flies that swarmed through the homes.  Conditions deteriorated:  

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According to reports gathered on the website of James Wilson, a founding member of the Biosurveillance Indication and Warning Analysis Community (BIWAC), about 60 per cent of La Gloria’s 3,000-strong population have sought medical assistance since February.

“Residents claimed that three pediatric cases, all under two years of age, died from the outbreak,” wrote Mr Wilson. “However, officials stated that there was no direct link between the pediatric deaths and the outbreak; they said the three fatal cases were isolated and not related to each other.”

Smithfield Farms now states that the company found no signs of swine flu in La Gloria or in any of its herds.  A speaker for Mexico National Organization of Pig Production and Producers says, “We deny…”  Meanwhile the caseload in Mexico is accelerating: Two thousand have been hospitalised with “grave pneumonia.”  Half have made a recovery so far.   Authorities in Asia and Europe are not waiting on the pig disputations.  Russia China and the Philippines have stopped pork imports form Mexico.   Ham and bacon will soon disappear from the menu and the meat counter —  (Order it in writing boldly when the waitress asks, “What’s ya poison, ace?”)  – and perhaps also global recovery will hesitate with the patrons. 

Mortality Rate.

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Henry Miller also pointed to the early and unreliable math of a mortality rate between 6-7%.  This would be not the nightmare scenario of the Spanish influenza pandemic of 1917-1918, which killed at the rate of 60%.  But it is staggeringly high for modern expectations.  The scale of the populations in Mexico and along the US border now vulnerable to infection over the warm weather months is 50 million and up.  This describes a national numbness.  There is reason for better news.  Henry Miller writes me that the mortality rate  depends upon the number of infected overall, and there may be tens of thousand more than reported in the Mexican two thousand so far, just because people in Mexico don’t usually report a small fever and recovery.    This could lower the mortality rate to well under 1%, which is consistent with yearly flu.  We can still fret if we want like the folk looking harried and unprepped at the emergency CDC communication center (right).   For light reading at the CDC coffee counter, Henry Miller adds the dystopian details of the opening chapter of a thriller: “Kill the Pigs!”

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“If the swine flu outbreak becomes a pandemic with a high rate of severe complications (such as pneumonia) and death, we will need to be smart, nimble and flexible. That will involve triage on many levels — including decisions about which patients are likely to benefit from scarce commodities such as drugs and ventilators — as well as “social engineering” determinations about issues such as mandatory quarantine, the canceling of public events, shutting airports and closing our southern border….”
  • tek

    Interesting. In the U. S. grassroots organizations lobbied successfully to get rid of dangerous pig farms. So, of course, the corporations go to third world countries and set up shop.

    Raise food sustainably and we won’t have these scourges!

    • NoBamaNoWay

      yep.

  • LAUREN

    Factory farming is causing these avian and swine viruses. Animals wallowing in there feces for days on end. It’s just gross. The government has practically obliterated the family farms and Monsanto and Cargil and all the other big names have taken over. The USDA is a crock of crap.

    • NomNomNom

      It’s getting worse too, re 3 bills in the house>senate:HR759, HR 875, & HR1332.
      http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-759 (for the others same url but instead of 759, 875 or 1332)
      worth a read over!

      Did you read that after Germany bannned growing gm corn that Monsanto is suing them??

  • LAUREN

    How often must pigs and cattle be provided with food, water, and rest during transport by truck?

    A. Every 5 hours
    B. Every 12 hours
    C. Every 28 hours
    D. Never

    Answer: C.

    In 2006, after a legal petition submitted by The HSUS, Farm Sanctuary, Compassion Over Killing, and Animals’ Angels, the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced that it had reversed its decades-old policy of excluding animals transported by truck from the federal “28-Hour Law.” The USDA still does not apply the law to poultry.

    http://www.hsus.org/farm/

  • Barry 0351

    It’s a Muslim plot to stop infidels from consuming pork. LOL

    • Docelder

      I have to admit, I like bacon… provided it’s fried crispy. But to the point, pigs really are filthy animals. The Muslims are right about that.

      • ScottVA

        I have to say something about this comment… I grew up on a farm and we raised pigs… Pigs are not filthy animals… and CONSIDER THE SOURCE when referring a Muslim comment about anything… LOL I travel to the Middle East a lot on business and I’ve seen far worse filthiness there then at any point on our family farm. We kept our pens cleaned and we hosed off our animals and kept things clean… Our pigs were never dirty!!!
        Think of it this way before making such an assinine comment…. YOU be confined in a space, having to eat in that space, deficate in that same space and never be allowed to take a shower, like you so conveniently do now… see how you smell and look after a few days! Get your facts straight next time… Thanks!

        • Docelder

          Show me the “free range” pigs then and I will. The reason there aren’t any is that pigs will root up the turf and eat the grass roots. Anywhere pigs live will resemble a “pig pen”.

          • Ashy1

            If you put a pig in a pen, it will become a “pig pen.” True. However, if pigs roam freely as nature intended, no such conditions will develop. Pigs are clean by nature and dirty when confined by humans.

            • Docelder

              Ferrule hogs are even nastier than domestic hogs. But to the point, they are filthy animals. They will wallow in a water hole all day, defecate in the mudhole and lay in that hole all day as happy as a pig in… you know the rest. Beyond that though, they will also eat meat. They will eat the flesh of dead animals. I think that is probably more of the reason why they are considered unclean. But that may very well be the reason this is turning into a pandemic.

              the most likely source of the killer swine flu (an antigenic creation, part swine, avian and human virus) is the rural humans who live in close proximity to pig livestock.

              What if these hogs in Mexico have been fed raw meat of the other animals that have died because they were sick? Or even human waste? Nothing to stop the Mexican farmers from doing that. People might really jump me for this, but I have been all over Mexico, and it is with rare exception universally filthy all over. Absolutely nothing should be off the table when tracking the cause of this epidemic down.

      • rw

        -pigs really are filthy animals.-

        Humans are the filthiest animals on the face of the earth…and beyond (judging from news of debris flying in outer space).

  • Shainzona

    Is this flu something that will move quickly and be over with? Or will it move and move and move over many months until it runs its course (like 6-8 months)?

    There is another flu going around (Arizona) right now – I doubt it’s swine flu – but how do you tell if you’ve had it/have it?

    Just curious as to how things will be accurately reported.

    Hey everyone…WASH YOUR HANDS MANY TIMES DURING THE DAY AND DON’T TOUCH YOUR MOUTH OR EYES.

    Stay well, y’all.

  • Peggy Sue

    This is disgusting. An American Company, Smithfield, involved in running an operation like this, one that has no respect for the people or the animals, should hang its head in shame.

    This is what industrial farming and greed has brought us. We reap what we sow.

    • Baba Rum Raisin

      “Hey! We’re just trying to hustle a buck here for our stockholders!” – Smithfield, Tyson, Cargill, Monsanto, Lazar Freres

  • cathnealon

    We have to realize that the third world food sources like Mexico and China is globally dangerous. The reason there hasn’t been a catastrophic flu like the 1918 pandemic is progressively safer regulatory standards. But now with companies like Smithfield moving on to cheaper labor pools in countries that have a very high population density this kind of thing will happen. I’ve worked in an ER for 20 years; the best defense is a good offense, wash hands, cough into sleeve of shirt or in nook of elbow, keep any enclosed area well ventilated with fresh air, avoid contact with people with symptoms of colds–just common sense stuff. Also, the immune system has to be healthy by eating good food and getting 8 hours of sleep a night. This is really the most important of all, the human body can withstand alot if the immune system is protected.

  • Elle

    Unbelievable ! Here we are asking people at the border if they feel ill instead of taking serious measures like other countries that test with sensors for fever and not taking someones word for it.
    As if someone who intends to enter our country opens up and says ” oh yes I am feeling ill indeed “.
    Why the mute behaviour,do we only act the part when things are totally out of hand ?

  • SHV

    Henry Miller also pointed to the early and unreliable math of a mortality rate between 6-7%. This would be not the nightmare scenario of the Spanish influenza pandemic of 1917-1918, which killed at the rate of 60%.
    ************
    The stats for the 1917-1918 epidemic are educated guesses but mortality was probably about 5%. If 1/2 of the world population was infected, a 5% mortality would have been about 50 million dead.

  • DaddysDarlin

    Instead of cleaning up our own pig farms we shipped them to Mexico. The conditions are deplorable, what did they expect would come from treating these creatures inhumanly? Everyone of God’s creatures deserves to be treated humanely, when you don’t care for them, keep them clean, clean their pens and the pigs themselves, treat them with human kindness–after all they are offering you something in return for being kept in clean cages and treated properly–their lives.
    If we had been treating these animals the way they should and deserve to be treated, we wouldn’t have this problem.

  • ces

    It’s like any product….

    If you want to make sure the jobs/farms stay in the US, don’t just buy the cheapest product.

    The govt. didn’t kill the family farm, the US consumers’ drive for the cheapest price did.

    You get what you pay for.

  • http://noquarterusa No-nonsense-Nancy

    I don’t understand how you get a combination of swine, avian and human flu. Seems to me that would have to be created in a lab.

    • silverfox

      n-n-n

      i am of the same mind.

      but perhaps there is someone reading this that can explain.

      i’m all ears.

      • Owllwoman

        Perhaps, a pig gets the bird flu, and passes it on to his offspring who has the swine flu, and along comes a sick human with the flu, who picks up the virus and it mutates in his body. Another person comes along and he sneezes on them. I shortened the time frame, but these virsus mutate over time and change. Pigs immune systems are close to humans. Virusus have the ability to change and mutate. Thats why we cannot get rid of them. They find ways around our immuine systems.

        • Docelder

          Or, the peasants who work as hands on the hog farm also raise chickens in unclean conditions right there at the hog farm where they also live themselves. The workers become infected with the bird flu. They have shanty outhouses which flow downhill onto the hog pens and because it all smells like a hog pen anyway nobody gives it a second thought. The hogs wallow in mud infected with human waste which contains bird flu and human virus material for extended periods of time. When a hog gets sick and dies, instead of fetching the carcass out and burning it, they leave it and the other hogs consume it allowing the virus to further mutate. When people say it had to be from a virus lab… that hog operation is most likely an effective virus lab in it’s own right.

          • Docelder

            The workers become infected with the bird flu

            Or this could easily happen from roof rainwater collection where birds droppings accumulate on the tin roofs of the work hands shacks and the rain water from the roof is collected in gutters and rain barrels for drinking and or water for the hogs. There are a multitude of ways this can go down when there is no emphasis on sanitation.

            • NomNomNom

              thx for sensible explanation: I had thought it must come from a lab partly because I had heard that the people sick had not been in contact with hogs, plus, the last one (Fort Detrick) did come from a lab.

    • ces
    • Tuppence411

      I will try my best to explain. Many different species get the flu, not just us people. Pigs have strains of flu that circulate among their species, as do other mammals and birds. There are pig Type A H1N1 flu strains. There are human Type A H1N1 flu strains, and there are Bird H1N1 flu strains. This novel flu virus that is circulating is also a Type A H1N1. Preliminary genetic testing seems to indicate the H1 came from the pig strain and the N1 came from a human strain. (The matrix is similar to the bird strain of H1N1) We really won’t have definite answers until the genome analysis is complete.

      How does this genetic material swapping, mutations happen? The host is infected with both strains at the same time. A pig already sick with pig flu gets infected with human flu from a worker or farmer. Or vice versa.

      • Owllwoman

        Thanks, you said it much better than I did.

    • ziggy

      Virusus can’t reproduce without hijacking the cells of a host organism to crank out copies of themselves.

      Viruses are avian, swine, or human to the extent that they’re capable of using the cells of a bird, pig, or human being to crank out those copies.

      They make the host organism sick because the infected host cells burst once they have filled up with the viral copies they’ve been tricked into making. The copied viruses then go out looking for new cells to infect.

      If one host cell is infected by two different but similar viruses, it can mix the genetic code from both of them when it cranks out the new copies. If one of the viruses was easy-to-transmitted-to-humans swine flu, and the other was hard-to-transmit-to-humans bird flu, the copies might wind up as a new strain of bird flu that can be easily transmitted to humans.

  • ziggy

    Did you know that Smithfield Foods dumps 4.7 million gallons of untreated hog crap per year into North Carolina’s streams and rivers?

    It all has to do with the lax regulatory environment that emerged once the FDA and EPA had been methodically disempowered.

    Of course, business can find an even more lax environment in Mexico. You can produce meat and agricultural products even more cheaply there.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithfield_Foods

    • NomNomNom

      We have the 2nd largest number of hogs in the US (after Iowa). As with Mexico, pork producers are allowed to store untreated waste in open lagoons that routinely fail during flooding, and utilize sprayfields (simply spray a specific percentage of it on fields, a sort of above ground septic system). Smithfield and other companies’ operations are in our coastal plain where flooding is a commonplace. One might add: this is high quality farmland, but raising hogs is more lucrative. Also, because the land is mostly rural many people depend on well water which the farms contaminate with both waste and antibiotics.

  • mountainaires

    “Although it’s called swine flu, this new strain is not infecting pigs and has never been seen in pigs. The threat is person to person transmission.”

    “Person to Person Transmission”….

    Can you imagine how you’d feel if you were one of the 61 passengers enclosed in this section of train?

    Vials of swine flu virus explode on train

    April 28, 2009 – 9:50 AM

    Vials of innocuous swine flu virus have exploded on an intercity train, prompting police to stop passengers before they arrived in Lausanne.

    A laboratory technician from a Geneva hospital had been transporting the vials on Monday evening from a veterinary institute in Zurich. The Federal Health Office had called for the development of a diagnostic test for the illness that has killed as many as 150 people worldwide.

    Near Fribourg the technician heard a muffled pop. Built-up gas from dry ice surrounding the vials had caused the package to explode.

    The carriage in which the technician was travelling held 61 passengers at the time. The Federal Railways did not learn of the incident until 40 minutes later after the train had already passed through Fribourg. Police then stopped the train near Lausanne, inspected passengers and wrote down their names as a precaution.

    More…

    http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/news_digest/Vials_of_swine_flu_virus_explode_on_train.html?siteSect=104&sid=10627294&cKey=1240907109000&ty=nd

  • Wisconsin

    CDC to mix avian, human flu viruses in pandemic study

    My family in Mexico confirmed of those that have died in Mexico with the flu had a “severe acute respiratory syndrome” the virus is confirmed to have H5N1 virus from pigs animal & human-adapted flu virus combined.

    Drudge has a link where US scientists feared that a hybrid could combine the killing power of the avian virus with the transmissibility of human flu viruses so in 2004 they planned to try to breed one themselves—in the name of preparedness.

    Quote..”The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will soon launch experiments designed to combine the H5N1 virus and human flu viruses and then see how the resulting hybrids affect animals. The goal is to assess the chances that such a “reassortant” virus will emerge and how dangerous it might be.”

    This is so scary!
    http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/jan1404hybrids.html

  • I’m a Linda too

    Thanks for the information post.

    • http://noquarter foxyladi14

      thanks i have learned a lot.
      thats why i love N.Q. such wealth of information.

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