The Nightmare Scenario

It’s definitely McCain for me in that case. Definitely. I’m taking NO chances with Hopey-Changey and his army of psychotics.

Someone should take Keith Olbermann into a room and only she should come out.

can i watch?

re pelosi, she just continues to tell us she doesn’t care what happens, obama should win. if it went topsy turvy and he somehow had fewer delegates and more popular votes, she’d change her tune immediately. the woman disgusts me.

mcain or hillary, no other option.

Not only will many cross over to vote for McCain, but there are a sizable number who will either not vote at all or write in Hillary or John Edwards.

My personal leaning is toward the latter, although not voting at all would be another option that would send a clear message to the Democratic Party that we don’t want to be taken for granted anymore…I’m so sick and tired of feeling obligated to “settle”…and after the obvious bias of party poobahs this season, I’m totally against letting them do it to me again.

The Democratic Party has been a disappointmentin Congress the last two years AND now during the primaries. For once and for all, they should get a message that people no longer want to play along with their cowardice and enabling Republicans.

Obama is their choice to do just that….they want a male in there who will LOOK different but who will be as weak as they are in the Senate, especially. God forbid we have a FIGHTER. Edwards was too NEGATIVE and now Hillary is too negative, too. And, she’s a WOMAN, which makes it MORE OFFENSIVE….

IDIOTS!! I really can’t stand the Party any longer.

Or..as Shakespeare also said..”How did the Cow Dung
get on the Roof..?”

LOL! I volunteer!

Pelosi is saying she does not care about us and we will vote like sheeps in Nov for her chosen nominee.

Do NOT stay home! It is VERY important that we add ourselves to the number so that they do not assume we just don’t care. That has been a mistake of disinfranchised groups for decades. Vote and your voice is heard! Stay home and you are ignored. It is very important that you are heard! Do the writein, vote for mccain but do NOT stay home— please. The more of us who vote against that sexist pig, the more of us who vote against that homophobe, the more Italians, Jews and Catholics who vote against him, HOWEVER it is done, the more they will UNDERSTAND.

We WILL vote. Oh yes we will!

Hey Ed Shultz CNN LKL tonight was debating Lanny Davis and THREW FL off the bus, it doesn’t matter, it will go GOP anyway and that Obama can get WV, Iowa,Colorado-I guess these are red states? BOO Screw the voters in Fl, this is a diseaster! THis isn’t about BO or HRC it is about the voters!

Oh there are the two of them on TV wearing their sardonic black costumes, as always.

They always wear black.

I don’t know about u peps but I cannot vote for McCain bc of this policies even though I kind of like the guy. Why did his suck up to Bush why he swiftboated him in 00? Duh.

Pelosi said the 2 of them won’t be on a ticket in November in her opinion.

Obama has gone negative with mailers and painting HRC as a mysterious figure that will do anything to win, HRC had enough gutts to run a an against Obama and he was as well and they are whining that this is all HRC fault? Please.

and earlier in the day they three white working class males off the same bus.

idiots!

of course, they continue to proclaim that we’ll fall back in line and vote for obama. wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

oops, threw, not three.

re wv, are they out of their freakin minds?

yes, the noi would be so proud.

GREAT, THAT WAY YOU CAN LOOSE TWICE.

Barack Obama could pick my mother as VP and I still wouldn’t vote for him, so if he pulls this off, I wouldn’t want hillary anywhere near that loser.

In a race between McCain and Obama, McCain may be the least bad choice. (Historically speaking, the country fares better when Congress is controlled by the party not in the White House. But that assumes a strong Congress, which we don’t have right now.) In the comparison that I saw it didn’t matter which party was where.
Change subject: as the system stands right now, the ‘delegate’ method of picking a candidate leads to chaos. Why? Where you have caucuses you have two problems … big ones.
First, you have a few hundred people at the caucuses representing the will of many more. If one of the candidates stacks the caucus-goers with his own supporters, the majority who couldn’t go may not be correctly represented. Secondly, it allows voters from the other political party to switch affiliation “for a day”. If the switchers are not going to vote the same way in the GE, then the results are skewed and the candidate who wins the caucus is not the one preferred by that political party’s real members. Do these scenarios sound familiar?

Being on the same continent as Obama is tantamount to political suicide. Wait for the hangover – and the backlash. They’re going to be playing Cowboys and Obamabots.

oops again – threw working class people, not just males, off the bus.

SusanUnPC and Uppity or whoever else writes on this blog…You MUST watch this video and post it if you haven’t already. Then send it to FOX News.

Go to the end of the Youtube tape and hear Obama’s words from his book, “Dreams of My Father,” and Pastor Wright’s hate speech on Hiroshima and Sharpsville on the video. It is proof that he was there during the Wright hate speech!!

This is proof he was there during Pastor Wright’s hate speeches! Obama lied!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

Caucuses are a joke. I had 1 in MN and BO won by like 20 pts and I couldn’t stay, I registered, voted and left but it was the stupidest thing I had to do it would have been easier and quicker to vote in a primary. No one was harassed at mine when I was there but I’ve heard hoarer stories in Tx.. Ah!

Hey what do any of you know about Jodie Evans from code pink and Obama? someone on Oreilly started to mention her but he cut her off and said that is for a later discussion , so I googled and found a few things, what do you guys know about her?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2003532/posts

All true; but I don’t see mention of Mr Waffle only picking up his own ‘home state’ amongst the important states that can send electors in the GE. Gee who has the other states?

- You have to win Ohio to win a GE.

- Handsome Bill said she should win Ohio and if she did she’d win Pennsylvania. Gee Bill was right. Again.

- He then added that if she picked up Pennsylvania she’d get the nomination.

I see nothing else happening. And it’s been an incredibly dirty race. It would have been so nice to hack out the details of a health programme and get some other stuff out of the way but that didn’t fit Barry’s and Axelrod’s plans. OK but now they should be out of the picture: Barry must withdraw. And we can get back to brass tacks and figuring out what needs to be done to fix the country devastated by the Crawford Clown.

FREEREPUBLIC IS MOUTH BREATHING WINGNUT LAND.

Send the Wright stuff to Sean Hannity lol he loves to go after BO.

It’s ironic that many Obama supporters are arguing that 1) possibly disenfranchising Florida voters is acceptable 2) the ‘electoral (delegate)’ vote is more important than the popular vote.

During Bush/Gore eight years ago, most of these same Democrats were making the opposite arguments.

Someone said that Axrold Obama’s strat. threw blue collar workers under the bus? Is this true?

In a race between McCain and Obama, McCain may be the least bad choice.

Definitely.

Also, for those of you who have never seen Obama’s grandmother, the same person who created the above youtube has another about the “typical white people” controversy from a while back. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HB_DfdvVHw

The Appointed One lied? No, no, no, the world didn’t understand What Obama Really Meant. Besides, Clinton made Wright say the things that he did and Clinton forced The One and his boys to sit in the pews listening to the perfectly innocent things that Saint Wright said. (/snark)

Hillary was covering her bets when she offered the VP to BO, but thankfully he mocked the idea. Don’t worry, Hillary is too smart to take the VP with BO. There is nothing positive for her on that deal. She’ll stay in the senate and work to get things done there or go for the governor slot in AR. Yeah, you heard it here first. She’ll move to AR and run for governor. But she’ll be in the WH because it’s the year to elect a POTUS who can lead.
Enjoy this: taking back the WH
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iDU9xKNo-zo

the ‘electoral (delegate)’ vote

IT’S NOT THE SAME AS THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU’RE FOOLING?

It is not about the voters….FL and MI do not count as is. what is it about this scenario you guys don’t understand??? This is Hillary’s little game – and it is not her (or Obama’s) decision to make. THe delegates will be seated but they will not be counted Hillary’s way – no way. You don’t re-do a race in any situation so get over it! Who did it, why it was done…blah blah blah…it doesn’t matter. The states were aware of the deal as were the candidates. If this means that the poor little voters of MI and FL won’t vote in the general election in Nov then stuff em – shows what big babies they are. Nothing is accomplished by whinning over the rules that are the rules.

Truth, dude, lay off the Redbull and the CAPS LOCK. You’re coming off as unhinged…oh wait, you’re an Obama supporter, you ARE unhinged.

Heh…exactly….

Poor Keitho’s had a troubled life. Poor soul. No woman wants him. ‘Bachelor’ does not equate to ‘playboy’. Not in Keitho’s case what I’ve read. It must be very frustrating. He takes out his twisted anger on women. He and the rest of the MSM – this wuss/closet poof Matthews for example – they keep putting women down because they’re afraid of them – afraid of their sexuality and afraid they’re superior (which in these cases they definitely are). Spend some time away from the scene, take a long trip, clear your head – and then come back and look at them again. It’s obvious.

Of course its not, thats why the word (delegate)is in parenthesis. The core idea is the same. Obama supportors are taking the Bush side of the agrument from 2000, that was made against Gore.

“The rules are the rules.” Sounds like something a Nazi would say. In this country, a purported democracy, every vote is supposed to count. If Florida Democrats had not agreed to go along with the Republican majority’s bill to move up the primary, they would not have gotten a paper ballot vote in the Fall; and the voting machines would have been used again to fix the election. They thought it was crucial that this now infamous state guarantee a fair secret ballot vote, like it says in the Constitution. So because of that, we are to throw out all the conscientious votes of 1.4 million Florida Democrats? Because the Clinton-hating Donna Brazile took it upon herself to “punish”…the state? The state Democratic Party? The White people of Florida? The voters? Donna thinks so much of rules that she said on TV that if the superdelegates overturn the pledged delegate margin, she will leave the Democratic Party. Donna’s only real rule is to do whatever helps Obama get the nomination.

ALL CAPS IS TOTALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SIGHT. THIS IS AN ALL CAPS DEMOGRAPHIC.

If you vote blank or for someone who’s not campaigning your vote won’t count for much. You’ll make your statement of protest – and then the wrong candidate will get into office anyway.

As good as Hillary is for the US – Obama is bad for the US. As much as you want Hillary in the White House: that much and more you must be sure Obama does not get in the White House.

It’s a matter of being practical: getting the best possible govt to work for you. And keeping the most dangerous people as far away as possible from 1600.

Yep, I will be voting for this person:

Wave Buh-bye Madame Speaker!

If enough of us get behind this we can get rid of the ‘Worst Democratic Speaker in American History!’.

At the least we can have her clutching her pearls.

CAN’T TAKE THE HEAT CAN YOU?

1. Never shout online. Read Jon Postel and grow up.

2. If you write to either Markos or call AOL support they’ll show you where the CAPS LOCK key is located.

this is a /site/, not a /sight/. i guess we have another undereducated obamabot on our hands.

“… she will leave the Democratic Party.” Is that a promise?

so voters don’t count in Obama-world? good to know.
then he won’t be needing mine either.

To the Obama cultists who say “we don’t need your votes,” be careful what you wish for. You might get it.

Whoa – it’s DONNA BRAZILE who did this to Florida? It is??!?? OMG.

this is a /site/, not a /sight/

WHAT A MORAN!

ALL CAPS IS TOTALLY APPROPRIATE FOR THIS SIGHT [sic].

Ah well…apparently they don’t teach you to spell in Obama-school.

So you Obama supporters are willing to freak out about the Super Delegates supporting Hillary even if she doesn’t have the pledged delegate lead, but you tell the 2+ million voters in MI and FL babies because the Democratic party told them to go F themselves?

News Flash! The point of not seating the delegates was NEVER to actually not seat them. Dean and Brazille, in their stupid, short-sighted minds, decided to have it both ways… Tell Florida and Michigan that they won’t count, slap them hard on the wrist, and since the nominee would be chosen early in the race, the nominee would mend fences by asking the full MI and FL delegations to be seated AND counted. In the end, no harm, no foul. Dean and Brazille never planned on throwing away FL and MI for good. It was SUPPOSED to be a toothless punishment, it was supposed to be a warning shot, it was never supposed to stand up as long as it has…

But it came back to bite the DNC in the ass. Iowa didn’t finish the race… Nor NH, nor Super Tuesday. Then they realized they had a problem, their little warning shot slammed home… Instead of doing the right thing and admitting they had made a mistake and agreeing to seat the delegations, they decided they would stand their ground and act like that was the plan the whole time.

Not seating FL and MI was NOT the plan… If you think it was… God I don’t even want to know what kind of fragile mind you have… it only became the plan once Dean and Brazille realized that there would be a long primary race and they were too stubborn or stupid, or both, to fix it early on. So take your version of “the rules” and “stuff em.”

OH DEAR, PASS THE LATTE.

nor mine.

amazing how many millions of us obama and his supporters have told to f off, that they don’t need us. won’t they be surprised when we take their advice? they don’t need us and we certainly don’t need them or their candidate.

maybe we should go into the business of providing grief counseling for obama supporters after november. lots of potential clients, with their parents’ money to pay the bills.

yes indeed.

hillary or mccain. no other option.

“if one wins the Electoral College … guess who’s president of the United States?”

Someone please tell me that Pelosi gets the irony of that statement. The whole point of this is to win the Electoral College.

may i throw it on your face? the burns will probably remove all the acne.

DFTT

i’m interested in this. it’s been all over the comments on taylormarsh. they’re saying that jodie evans is a bundler for obama with ties to hugo chavez. i didn’t have a chance to look into it. they’re also hinting, at least a few are, about “more” than just a political relationship between jodie evans and obama.

oh, please, let it all be true!

What I heard from that blogger Keitho has a bad habit of going into rooms with women and coming (out) alone.

ohhhhhhh, i get it. took me a minute, though. guess it’s late.

lol.

No woman wants KO, that’s why he dates little girls. He probably loves that 8 o’clock time slot because he has enough time to pick up his girlfriend from cheerleading practice before he goes on the air.

hi guys. hillaryclinton.com did not update how much money was raised online latley. hopefully hillary raised $20 million by friday. DONATE AND HELP HILLARY OUT!

I believe that you meant “maroon.”

Truthshouter…You sound like a PETULANT PILLOW BITER….methinks…

Oh, please. I worked for the House when Jim Wright was Speaker, and Dan Rostenkowski was Ways and Means chair. Those two self-serving birds ensured an eventual GOP takeover. Stop being so emotional.

Hmmm…….I see you point…I guess I’m thinking write in maybe….Don’t know if I can live with myself voting for McInsane….Still pondering…

Thus opines The Obamabimbo.

Yeah…..I was dragged for 30 feet….I’m OK now but I could’nt get into the doctor….No healthcare you see not that PELOSHIT cares….

Hillary is the 50 ft. tall woman about to attack the heartland…..LOL

That’s funny…BABY-O does’nt ned 2/3 of the traditional democratic base…..I guess that makes sense since he is’nt democrat….

It is totally false to say that Hillary leads in the popular vote. That is only if you seat BOTH Florida (debatably reasonable) AND Michigan (Totally Unreasonable). It is also only if you count caucus states only for the votes cast, rather than extending the percentages to a reasonable turnout number for the entire registered Dem roll. That is ridiculous and disingenuous. I suggest you check out the analysis of the math at Talking Points Memo.

I will vote for Hillary in the general if she wins, but I will be very concerned if she wins by manipulating numbers and bypassing the Democratic nominating rules. I don’t think she will do well against McSame if she is chosen by the superdels.

Ehemmmm……From Gaza perhaps……

Ehemmm…….Truthshouter….shuffle on back to Gaza….mmmkay ?

You did NOT just go Nazi on us, did you? That is WAY out of bounds. Hillary and her advisors were themselves talking about the delegate rules when she was ahead. Now that she is desperate to find a winning narrative, she is going with this popular vote hogwash. Talking Points Memo has a great analysis of the math here. Even if we count the Florida popular vote, and only count caucus states by the numbers of votes cast (which is undemocratic itself), she needs to win 54% of the remaining votes. This may happen, but not damn likely.

Please stop demonizing and Nazifying the opposition. McCain would be a nightmare for America. EITHER Democrat would be a breath of fresh air incomparison to McSame and Bush. STOP THE CIRCULAR FIRING SQUAD!

Show me one Obama quote or surrogate statement that says this. NOBODY said that. Hell, it was Hillary who said of the so-called Reagan Democrats, “Screw-em!”

There may be many legitimate ways to criticize Obama, but that isn’t one of them.

If he steals the nomination and doesn’t at least offer it to her, he’s done. I swore to vote for the nominee when they process started fifteen months ago, but I’d have serious doubts about voting for him in that situation.

WCA, if you live in Texas, you can safely write in Hillary. McCain’s gonna win Texas handily (if Obama is the nominee), so there’s no need to vote for the Old man.

I sure hope she keeps her promise!

The best thing for the party and the Nation is if D.B. gets the hell out! She has been bad news for a long time.

Plus Rove is a friend of hers — which tells me that she has the same problem in her associates as Obama does. (Google Rove + Donna Brazile to find the article plus more info.)

If she doesn’t believe there is a problem with Rev. Wright — then this suggests that she is a racist along with Psycho Obama and Rev. Wright.

After reading DB’s email responses — I’d say the sooner she quits the Dem party — the healthier the party is going to be.

Because if she doesn’t leave then MILLIONS of American will be walking away from the Democratic party — leaving DB and Howie Deanie and the rest of the psycho nut cases.

Wasn’t it bushie or one of his handlers who said that they create their own reality — well it seems that the left left left wing of the Democratic party seems to be enjoying the same sort of “reality” as the right right right wing of the GOP.

Hey Donna Brazile — GO TO HELL!

I am certain you are psychologically injured after Obama’s humiliating loss in Pennsylvania, but lower case really is appropriate for these kinds of discussions.

Please stop this infantile bashing of Keith O.

I like the guy. He’s wrong about Hillary, but no one can be 100% correct all the time. We should all just forgive him for his mistake. Someone from the Hillary camp should come out an ask does he prefer Hillary to McCain but tell him to take a few moments and to breathe deeply before answering.

Clinton needs to win this nomination, because if she doesn’t, we will scarcely recognize the party. The ones left at the helm will be all of the most incompetent we’ve had: Pelosi, Dean, Brazile, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy… None of these people has been effective in any way. They are losers, and if they force Clinton out we need a new centrist party. One that does not include the nut-jobs on the left, and one that wins.

It is totally false to claim Senator Clinton does NOT lead in the popular vote. they have nor seated the delegates yet but the PEOPLE, you know, those pesky lil VOTERS that democracy is soooo dependant on HAVE voted and MORE of them have VOTED for Clinton then obamalamadingdong. LOTS more if you take into account the ginned up caucuses. Face it, your hoodwinkin, bamboozlin, America hatin, Racist, Xenophobic, Homophobic, Misogynistic(DAMN? Who DOES this guy wanna fuck? OH YEAH…AMERICA! That and the reflection in the mirror) snake oil sellin Conman of a candidate just CAN’T WIN in the general election. Hell, he can’t win in a PRIMARY election unless at least 50% of the people who vote are BLACK.

And at the same time, they claim the “moral authority” and scream bloody murder if you want to exercise your guaranteed right to vote and and vote for McCain?

My point is that a vote for Obama guarantees a win in November for McCain. Once that is clear enough to the SD’s, they should understand that if the object of this is to put a Democrat (big “D”) in the White House, then it is time to realize who can actually win.

The history of this election will come back to disenfranchisement. This isn’t being done by throwing boxes away or a Diebold plot, this is being done in the light of day with damn few Democatic defenders other than the rank and file.

Chris,
Obama took his name off of the ballot along with Edwards. No one told them to do that. It was a stunt to deligitimize the MI election, because they knew Clinton was going to win there.
It is perfectly fair to count Michigan. Obama should have to live with the decision he made to pull this stunt. Besides, He could have resolved the mess and had a re-vote in MI, but he blocked that. Now, he will have to suffer the consequences from his foolish maneuvers.

Is there any other kind of troll?

If you don’t like some of the comments here, avoid them. Keith Olbamamann is an ass and should have stuck to sports where he could vent his misplaced hormones jumping up and down in a group dynamic.

When he stops his infantile bashing of people like Gerri Ferraro and apologizes to some of those he insults with a broad brush, spewing spittle on the camera in his villifying self righteous spin, I’ll think about it. Until then, please don’t preach to us here.

If Obama gets the nomination are we sure we want to simply give McCain the White House without a fight?

Nothing is really inevitable.

those lines will be very short in November for the one …

A vote for Barack Obama guarantees a victory in November for John McCain.

Being his VP would be worse than being what’s his name who couldn’t spell “potatoes” … who thinks about Qualye for goodness sake unless there is a presidential funeral?

No. Thank GOD she wouldn’t sit second chair to him. And putting him second chair? Not enough secret service to keep her safe IMHO.

Never mind most of those delegates represent states that will not go for Dem. in GE any way.

I think at this point people should start putting pressure on Hillary to consider running any way as Ind. OR a NEW DEMOCRATS. We cannot let some suits with millions$/year tell us where our interests are.

pot shouting the kettle black ? hahahaha

Owana,
I’m with you.

Go New Democrats!!

A vote for Obama guarantees a victory of McCain.

There aren’t enough people who will vote for Obama to make him president.

I don’t think she wants to split with the Democratic party in the middle of a presidential election. That’s just my take on her.

I could be wrong.

Anyone have thoughts on that?

I cannot believe that again I am forced to listen to drivel from the left that I only expected to ever hear from the right. The right is famous for making rules, setting an agenda, deciding on a course for war, and no matter how much the situation has changed. No matter how poorly formed or executed the strategy is; nothing can dissuade a Republican from following it to its’ own destructive end, as everyone goes over the cliff together.

No one Ellen, thought that we would still be hammering out who our nominee is going to be by this time. The situation has changed. Therefore the rules that apply to said situation much change. Otherwise we are merely like the Republicans we have been railing against for the past 8 years.

I’ve got a place for your “precious” rules Ellen!!

“apologizes to some of those he insults with a broad brush”

oh… so it’s perfectly okay for commenters and authors here to do the exact same thing… but KO is wrong to do it? Let me guess, because he has a TV show… it’s not the action but the venue??? ROFLMAO

That’s like saying it’s okay to beat your animal/spouse/child in private, but not in public.

Oh good grief! What is he an infant? Isn’t he responsible for what he’s said and done?

He’s a big boy and the things he has said are anathema to any woman with any self-respect and dignity and any man that thinks women are worthy of dignity and self-respect.

Sorry, but the fact that you like him says some unpleasant things about you.

Forgiveness? Not from me. Once respect and integrity are shown to be lacking I’m not willing to cut anyone any slack.

“In a race between McCain and Obama, McCain may be the least bad choice.”

That’s just insane… have you heard the man’s economic and foriegn policies? The difference between the policies put forth by either dem candidate are slim… yet you think voting for McCain, if you candidate is not the nominee makes sense? You’d rather willingly choose policies that you do not agree with, that are the antithesis of those of your preferred candidate… just to teach the party a lesson?

I don’t understand the logic behind that thinking…

The whole, I hate Obama so much I’ll vote for McCain – even though his policies and ideals are the opposite of those espoused by your candidate…

Yes, he said they won’t vote for Dems anyway. Incredibly stupid.

I agree 100%. I am not going to stay home. I have voted in every election, and for a Democrat, for 40 years and consider voting my civic duty.

However, after John Kerry wimped out on the voters of Ohio I vowed that never again could the Democratic nominee count on my vote. I vote for who I consider would make the best president and one that has the guts to fight for every damn vote. Anything less disrespects the people that voted for them. If the Democratic Party doesn’t nominate that person then screw the Democratic Party. I’ve been their patsy way too long.

If the choices are McCain or Obama then I vote none of the above by writing in. Nothing is gonna make me vote for McCain. My state of WI went solidly for Obama in the primary but that was in an open primary and a whole lot of Republicans crossed over to stick their finger in the eye of a Clinton. They bragged about it on the Radio and in the comments section of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. I believe WI will go solidly for McCain if Obama is the nominee and probably if Hillary is too.

If you don’t like some of the comments here, avoid them. Keith Olbamamann is an ass and should have stuck to sports where he could vent his misplaced hormones jumping up and down in a group dynamic.

A vote for Obama guarantees a victory for John McCain and four more years of a Republican president.

I have made a personal commitment today to cut and paste to trolls.

I am not going to waste intellectual effort on a non-intellectual discussion.

I might suggest that others do the same.

It’s Friday after all and we all need a break.

Not so stupid if you understand that he is trying to find one more reason why blue collar workers don’t vote for his candidate.

They are not voting for Obama because they are typical white people = racists. Simplification. Apparently since there are no more fund raisers planned to SFO, he is just making an appeal for mail in.

I would like to add something to these excellent posts. I agree with Kourian that Obama is a dangerous person who should not be allowed near the White House. I DO believe that John McCain is less dangerous than Barack Obama.

I’d like to remind people who might be tempted to vote for Obama just to keep their track record of voting Democratic up that it would actually be much better for the future of the Democratic party if Obama not only loses, but loses BADLY. If Obama loses with an electoral vote along the lines of John Kerry, it’s not hard to see him blaming it on Hillary (with the media going along, of course) and gearing up for another try in 2012. Obama needs to lose in a fashion that dismisses him from the national stage for good. I’m already concerned that Hillary will win the nomination and lose, opening the way for Obama in four years. Above all else, this has to be the last year we have to deal with this jackass.

If Obama is the nominee, work for Senate and House Democratic candidates (god knows they’ll need it!) so they get high vote totals which contrast significantly with Obama’s poor showing. It is VITAL that Democrats show the country that we REJECT Obama and his associations and minions, OVERWHELMINGLY. We don’t want this guy back in 2012.

“Stand up for what you believe in, even if it means standing alone.”
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Just saw John Ridley. Give me a break. Why is the race in PA always about race? If blacks vote for Blacks, what’s that all about? If women vote for a woman, is that racism? Does gender politics become an issue that isn’t important enough to even mention. Same thing as Don Imus remark. Nappy headed ‘hoes… The real insult was the whore comment. The Rutgers team explicitly stated the fact that the insult to them was the ‘hoes part of the slur. (As was Shuster’s remark about pimping out Chelsea) (Olberman’s remark about taking Hillary clinton into a back room and she doesn’t come out), never mind the implied violence directed at a woman, and a Presidential Candidate at that. Why are these remarks and attitudes so dismissed and race is put on a grand pedistal because it seems men can’t deal with some women? I could go on, but won’t.

Can you imagine what people like Ellen will be saying in November? “Oh boo hoo the poor little voters of 46 states didn’t want Obama, so sad for them, their loss, we don’t need them, because Barack is going to be President anyway! I’m off to the Inauguration losers! YES WE CAN!”

And she continues to shout “YES WE CAN!” as the nice men in white uniforms drag her away from the computer lab and back to her padded cell.

Michelle promised us that this is The Year for The One. I get the feeling that at least one family member doesn’t mince any words.

Oh please. If Hillary runs for Governor, it will be in New York, not Arkansas.

I hope she doesn’t though. She’d make an amazing, tough Senate Majority Leader someday. That is, if she doesn’t make it to the White House, where she belongs.

Donna Brazille did not say that that she would leave the party if the wil of the voters was overturned. She said that she would leave the party if “Superdelegates decided the nomination”. Well, the superdelegates WILL be deciding the nomination. So, I expect Donna to be leaving the party. Whats taking her so long? Where is she going? Hurry up and leave girl.

I’ve been thinking about the racism issue.

Maybe that does say something about America.

Does that mean that is the only reason he isn’t winning? And does that also mean that anything is going to change between now and November? I don’t know that I am defending the position, what I am saying is that where did “hope” and “change” go? Shouldn’t the message be one of encouraging people to be better versus condemning them for their bigotry? I’m just saying that people are sure to get a little irritated by hearing that it’s all about them and not about the candidate. Especially when the candidate has gone on record as saying things like “typical white person,” etc.?

Any analysis of the math at Talking Points Memo is a big, sad joke. TPM has it’s head so far up Obama’s ass they haven’t seen daylight in months.

Good grief if that’s where you get your information no wonder you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Obama used the fact that Clinton would not take her name off the Michigan ballot as a weapon against her in New Hampshire, too. It didn’t work, so now he wants to pretend that hundreds of thousands of Michiganers- many of whom people he TOLD to go to the polls and vote “uncommitted”- simply do not count.

Each vote represents a person. I don’t think the coldblooded calculators at Obama HQ grasp this. And right now, there are plenty of persons who are royally pissed because they are being told that they don’t matter, their votes should not be included in the totals, because Dean, Brazile etc. say so.

Guess what? All those non-voter nonpersons get a chance to vote again, in November. What do you think they are going to do with those votes?

It’s called Payback.

I don’t think she does either. But if Obama is the nominee I don’t think it can be avoided.

She will be the good party loyalist and campaign for him but I don’t think that will have much affect. Those of us that support her also vehemently oppose him.

And much as I am for Hillary, nobody tells me who to vote for. Nobody!

Yes, according to the media, if blacks vote 9-1 for Obama and whites vote 6-4 for Hillary, it opens up a Conversation America Must Have:

Why Are Whites Still So Racist?

“I am not going to waste intellectual effort”

How does that make today be any different?

Actually, racism is the only reason he’s still in the contest. If the AA vote was not going 9-1 for Barack, he would have been toast quite some time ago.

So yes, racism is still a real problem in this country. Just not the way you describe it.

Please leave. You are not wanted, and you offer nothing to the discussion. No one is here to be insulted, and you are not contributing to the conversation. Leave.

He’s another translucent politician.

“I’ve got mine.”

My Chicago mansion when I couldn’t speak up for the unheated slums within my purview. My (and my wife’s expensive) educations but you should “foreswear lucrative professions like corporate law or hedge fund management and go into the helping industry, even if the sacrifice is great.” Let me cast my proud vote in Illinois but fuck you there in Michigan and Florida who might want to participate in this historical election!

The hypocrisy of his being a “Democratic” candidate is what burns my ass. I know that there is some troll just lurking here with a cut and paste of “but, but, but Hillary” to which I say two things …

1. I thought that we had had a belly full of blaiming the Clintons after eight years of Bush, so who are the quasi Republican/name calling/kitcher sinkers here?
2. Hillary is not talking out of both sides of her mouth and trying to be the “white knight” in this. She is willing to roll up her sleeves and get this job down. She isn’t asking anything of us that she isn’t willing to do herself.

It is perfectly fair to count Michigan.

I agree! Michigan should “count” and Hilary should get all the delegates she won in Michigan. Which is zero!

See, you folks have to remember that you need a rule change to get a single delegate. You have not made a rational argument for a rule change (and, no, “Our candidate will lose without a rule change” is not a rational argument), which is why there has been no change.

I for one would love to see her decline to campaign for him. Except in Red States.

A vote for Obama guarantees a victory for John McCain and four more years of a Republican president.

A vote for Obama guarantees an overwhelming victory for John McCain in November and four more years of a Republican president.

Actually, racism is the only reason he’s still in the contest.

Ah, revival of the ole “Black votes don’t count” argument. Now that’s a winner! Why not just give Black voters 3/5 of a vote? That way, the “racism” underlying Black people voting for Obama wll be quite diluted!

Hey, here is a question: if Hillary somehow gets the nomination over the Black man who got more votes, won more pledged delegates, won more states and raised more money, what makes you think A SINGLE BLACK OBAMA SUPPORTER will vote for Hillary, the one who rooked him out of the nomination?

If you Hillary backers (overwhelmingly White, I notice) think you can take the nomination Obama has earned (through hard work, a better campaign, and superior fundraising) by some back room rule change and Black voters will just say “okey doke” and walk into the voting both and pull the lever for Hillary, you are delusional. Look around the net, people! Try to find any Black blogger who thinks that will happen! I estimate McCain would pull 33% to 40% of Black voters of that happened.

Hey, here is a question: if Hillary somehow gets the nomination over the Black man who got more votes, won more pledged delegates, won more states and raised more money, what makes you folks think A SINGLE BLACK OBAMA SUPPORTER will vote for Hillary, the one who rooked him out of the nomination?

If you Hillary backers (overwhelmingly White, I notice) think you can take the nomination Obama has earned (through hard work, a better campaign, and superior fundraising) by some back room rule change and Black voters will just say “okey doke” and walk into the voting both and pull the lever for Hillary, you are delusional. Look around the net, people! Try to find any Black blogger who thinks that will happen! I estimate McCain would pull 33% to 40% of Black voters if that happened.

If you are going to beat Obama, you better do it fair and square, not by changing the rules on Michigan and Florida just to suit the underachieving Warrior Queen of Tuzlah!

And, yeah, the Black block voting explains those victories in minority dominated Wyoming, Utah, Virginia and Minnesota! You folks are truly delusional!

OK I got a rule change proposal. We call B-Rob’s boyfriend and make him pull the plug.

She can return to her roots in Illinois and run for governor because Patrick Fitzgerald will soon likely be indicting our current governor, Blogojevich, as a result of evidence coming out of the Rezko trial and investigation (that is if the bill to allow a recall of elected officials, currently under consideration in the Illinois legislature doesn’t go through first.)

Who’s a racist, now?

A vote for Obama is a vote for an HISTORIC THRASHING by John McCain in November after the worst. president. ever. and four more years of a Republican.

You’ll have to discuss that with B-Rob. He’s threatened to harass the democratic process unless his baby jesus boy gets the vote. Hope! Change! Change we can believe in! LOL

I think his crack is running out. He’s starting to disagree with himself. On line.

Seek help, B-Rob. Of course will Barry’s lame plan it’ll cost you plenty. But you need psychiatric help FAST. Just a word of helpful advice. Good luck, friend.

Hillary runs WEAKER against McCain than Obama because she is too unpopular among independents. Indeed, given that the GOP is running anti-Obama ads in NC, which helps Hillary, seems to me that they want Hillary!

You know what the GOP wet dream is, don’t you? It’s Hillary ripping off the nomination (as you folks advocate) and pissing off the Black Dems. Why do you think McCain is campaigning on the Edmund Pettus Bridge? Are you Hill-bots that dumb not to see the obvious?

Did you enjoy the good pastor Wright….Chris…He’s such an asset for your candidate….

Non-sequitar, dude! Let’s stay focused here!

A vote for Obama guarantees an HISTORICAL victory for John McCain in November and four more years of a Republican president. EVEN IN MASSACHUSETTS!

Kevin:

In this one case, character trumps policy, and nobody can say that McSame is not a character. Even with his obvious flaws, he’s better than an apparent “5th columnist” Obama.

BABY-O is a democratic candidate in name only….He is APOLITICAL and an opputunist….Classic Dictator stock…..

I notice none of you ever answer the question. Which tells me you know what the answer is. That is good, actually. At least you acknowledge going in that your candidate is poised to piss off the most loyal Dem. voting block and doing it for her own selfish purposes. So it’s not that you are in denial; you just don’t care how this looks to Black voters. That is probably good for them to know . . . especially with McCain campaigning in Gee’s Bend, Alabama!

B-Rob is the racist; he admitted so himself a few posts back, when he referred to Obama as “the Black Candidate.” That’s all he is to B-Rob.

Just like all this site is to B-Rob is an opportunity to pick up some cash as an Obama Troll.
Don’t respond directly to B-Rob; let him go out and get a job flipping burgers or putting flyers for chinese restaurants under windshield wipers. His mom and boyfriend may be proud of him yet someday!

SCOREBOARD!!

Never mind most of those delegates represent states that will not go for Dem. in GE any way.

Now the “those states don’t count” argument.
Hey Hillbots, here is a suggestion for the next time she runs (assuming she doesn’t single-handedly destroy the party). What you could do is weight delegates so that Red States really don’t get as many delegates per capita than Blue States. This, of course, will just destroy the Dem Party in the Red States, the exact opposite of what Howard Dean is trying to do. But go for it!

odonna obama! Yep. the woman who believes in voting rights. And I do love this, A LOT especially considering that it comes from an OBAMA supporter who understands the dynamics of a political race that isn’t about color:

Why Obama Needs Florida Revote

For the last couple of months I have been working with a group of voters in Florida to raise the money for a new election by mail in Florida and if possible Michigan. Now I know that there are a lot of you who snicker at this notion and say it is dead but I hope that you might take a minute to consider the Benefits (for the record I am a committed Obama supporter and donor):
1. Obama is still largely an unkown in large parts of the state of Florida and so he needs to be in the state a lot since it is winnable in the fall.
2. The rather spacious schedule between now and June 10 has literally weeks available for campaigning and whatever he can do in April and May will save him much more valuable time in September and October.
3. Campaigning in Florida will make the states Democratic congressional challengers stronger since they will have the chance to get out their with the candidates and generate excitement and name recognition.
4. All of the proposed compromises to allocate the delegates are poor substitutes to an actual result and come across as typical DC math.
5. Florida (and Michigan) cannot be ignored as this will be spun by the media pundits as a huge insult that will suck the air out of everything.
6. HRC will not drop out until there is some resolution to Florida and Michigan and so even if it is a game of chicken, are we really up for that either?

The Unity BABY-O has managed to make this all about race. It is the only way he could beat the Clintons….If your sick of hearing about race…Wait…If BABY-O gets the nod we will be swimming in it, because anytime anyon criticizes this big baby….it will be played as a race tool…

A vote for Obama guarantees an overwhelming victory for John McCain in November and four more years of a Republican president … after eight years of the worst. president. ever …

If the baby get the democratic nod the only voteshe will recieve is from
AA because by then crackers will be so sick of the constant use of racis tactics it will backlash way more than it already has…..

Again, you Hill-bots betray your inherent emotional instability. I ask a simple question and none of you can stay focused enough to answer. You criticize me, make allusions to me being gay, call my mom names. Those are not signs of emotional stability, Hill-bots!

Do you people even understand WHY the majority of US voters hate your candidate? Do you understand that it is impossible to make an “Obama is not electable” argument when your candidate cannot even beat him in the primaries? D you understand that you do not change the rules in the middle of the campaign to benefit the White candidate who is getting beaten air and square by the minority candidate? Do you people have any rooting or grounding in reality?

you are not contributing to the discussion. ad hominem responses are not productive, as are impertinent replies to each and every single comment in a thread. because i have already submitted a complaint to the administrator, i think you should leave immediately. leave.

You didn’t answer the question. You just told me racists like you will not vote for Obama. Well, DUH!

No, I asked why you think any Black person will vote for Hillary of she rips the nomination through an after the fact rule change.

Do you people realize that is what John McCain is salivating over?

Leave.

A vote for Barack Obama will guarantee that John McCain has an historic victory in November not seen since Gene McGovern.

He can’t even convince the liberals in MASSACHUSETTS?

Blah blah blah . . . .

Why won’t you answer the question?

Nah!

Again, you are changing the subject! Why not answer the question?

then you will be banned.

He’s salvating over the thought that the Democratic party is actually STUPID enough to hand the keys to the party to Barack H. Obama.

A vote for Obama guarantees that Cindy McCain will be measuring drapes in the White House!

“The white working class has gone to the Republican nominee for many elections, going back even to the Clinton years. This is not new that Democratic candidates don’t rely solely on those votes.” – David Axelrod 4-24-2008

I for one would love to see her decline to campaign for him.

I doubt he would be too upset of the single most polarizing politician in America refuses to campaign for him! You people really think she is an asset, don’t you? Weird!

Facts are not Barack’s friends.

And that “uncommitted” tactic Obama & Edwards used in Michigan was also to curry favor with the voters in Iowa (to show Iowa voters that they supported Iowa’s traditional role as the first primary (in this case, an undemocratic caucus), and that tactic worked for the intended purpose.

No, you’re absolutely right. He certainly doesn’t want anyone who voted for her to vote for him. Thank you so much for that timely reminder.

Now who’s the baby! Can’t deal with the truth, can’t deal with reality. Gotta love the Hill-bots!

And you still haven’t answered. but like I said, I take that as an acknowledgement that you really don’t give a sh&t about Black voters. You people seem them as an obstacle to the Warrior Queen of Tuzlah’s coronation.

Hey, guess what? Your condescending arrogance is not lost on Black voters! Look around fools! If Hillary gets the nomination in any way other than winning fair and square, the party is done.

She won’t have to. The numbers are there. There will be write ins and defections to Mccain in those bellweather and swing states that have no problem with that. Obama will never be president. He’s LUCKY if he does as well as McGovern. Nobody’s going to spot Obama 10 points because he thinks he’s the Baby Jesus. The GE is the big time and Obama is little league. And his kids and radical followers will help him lose, just like they always do when they try to hijack adults.

Still haven’t answered me! Not surprised.

In retrospect, you know when Hillary lost any possible shot for the presidency? It was when Bill shot his mouth off and compared Obama, a sitting US Senator who had just won a major primary, to Jesse Jackson, a jack legged preacher who had never been elected to anything. When you White Clintonistas refused to see how condescending that was (it’s like comparing Bill Clinton to Lyndon Larouche), it told the Black voters that you were not much different from the condescending racists on the right. And she was done with Black voters from that day on . . . . She was a dead woman walking and she didn’t even know it!

We are not New Democrats, really. It’s just that the fringe tries to hijack ever decades or so, and they learn they can’t. Thank God. There’s a whole line of losers to prove that and that is why the Democrats have only elected two presidents in thirty years…and only one of them was a two-termer.

make that “every decade or so”.

And you still won’t answer my question . . . .

Tell that to the Obamazoids who have the “Bro’s before Ho’s” posters. Screw em.

The GE is the big time and Obama is little league.

Obama is “little league”, yet your candidate can’t beat him. What does that make Hillary? Tee-ball!

Among caucuses, and Democrats, yes. Also, the Democrats for a day, sabotaging the party for DINO Obama.

I just got here, so ya’ll might have seen this on HuffPuff already:

“Media Jump Ship From Obama: The New Republic, Time, The Washington Post”

Did my heart good just to read the headline. Gotta go back now and read the article (will probably regret that), but just wanted to let you know!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Hillary’s not going to get the nomination. We both know the fix was in when the revote in florida and michigan were blocked. And don’t even try that “the hillary camp blocked it” routine. We both know Obama tried that caucus stunt where he could send busloads of pissants to threaten old ladies and only alow a few thousand people to vote. Too bad he will never carry either state. And if you had been following politics before the baby Jesus came around you would already know, the game is over then.

The fix is in. Only you forgot there will be a General Election, which all you children and radicals will lose.

Like I said, adults don’t let kids and radicals pick presidents. Only you keep forgetting that no matter how many times you are shown.

Donna Brazile, Al Gore’s campaign manager in 2000 and DNC superdelegate, has pledged to leave her position at the DNC if the will of the people is overturned.

Will she, really? Have to thin k about it but that in itself would be worth gold.
Brazile is a a disgrace.

This is such a ridiculous situation. There was a rule that Dean and the DNC could have used to deal with Florida and MI – the 50% rule. 50% of their delegates would have been seated at the convention. Done! No illegitimacy, no uncertainty, and no removing names from the ballot.

Ah, but you see, if we had done that, HRC would be the frontrunner, undisputedly. No one wanted that, apparently. Why would we nominate someone that could win, after all?

Are you Black?

B-Rob:

No, we are biting our collective tongues, and trying to ignore you, but you can’t seem to take the friggin’ hint, so I guess I just need to spell it out for you.

Oh well folks! Gotta go! But I leave you with these three things:

1) If Obama is such a bad candidate, yet Hillary can’t beat him, what makes you think she could do better in the general? If anything, her inability to beat him proves that she is the less capable candidate. After all, if she can’t prevail in the Dem primary, she as no shot in the general.

2) The Dem party will rue the day that they let the underperforming White candidate, Hillary, take the nomination from the Harvard educated minority candidate who raised more money than any candidate in history, got more pledged delegates, won more states, and got more votes. Because you would be telling all minority voters “No matter what you do, you will always be second class in this party.” Why would any self-respecting minority want to be a member of THAT party? Especially of the other party’s lead candidate is wooing them hard?

3) If Hillary winning California means Obama can’t win that Kerry state, then Obama winning Maryland, Connecticut, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, and Washington means Hillary is statistically done before the first November vote is cast. See how dumb an argument that is?

Indeed !! You can see how much more relaxed the GOP is thinking of a summer to tackle Obama down : piece of cake !!!
In fact, the GOP has nothing to do; just point out to Obama’s making (nothing) and Obama’s associations (dreadful).
That is; just read aloud Obama flimsy resume for POTUS and the GE voters will get it. Willl be like comparing unflavor jello (Obama) to pudding (McCain). And people know where the proof is.

Another yummy headline:

James Carville: Barack Obama “Hides Under The New York Times Editorialists’ Skirt”

Yeah, the “article” is useless, but here’s a good comment: “Who would you rather have speaking on your behalf… Rev. Wright or James Carville?”

Irrelevant what my race might be. But I know only a White person would ask that question!

Yeah….My daughter dressed down a female student who was wearin that on a t-shirt….She asked her if she would like her and everyone else to star calling her whore as a first name….My kid told her that any time she puts up with one woman being called a whore that she allows all women to be called whores..She also told her that Clinton was a well respected Senator and asked her if she had the guts to call her a whore to her face…( This was earlier in the primaries and Baby-O and Clinton were in town..)….The girl was properly shamed….I flirted with the idea of printing up T-shirt that said CHIX B4 DIX..( sigh ) but then I decided not to….Kinda funny….no ?

Ah, but you see, if we had done that, HRC would be the frontrunner, undisputedly. No one wanted that, apparently.

S let me get this straight . . . they voted last fall to strip Florida and Michigan beause they knew Hillary would win those states and would need them later? OK . . . was this plot hatched on a black helicopter?

I would be proud to wear that … except it would need to be explained to too many people with a different chormosome structure

With all due respect, you cannot know at this point that Hillary will not be the nominee. I personally think that Obama will be drummed out of the race in the next two months, probably because of something in his background, or some idiotic remarks he will no doubt make. It is counterproductive, in my opinion, to say that Hillary will not be the nominee. We don’t need smoke blown up our skirts, but we do need support.

because you are worthless?

Well……I’ve always liked that ol’ dog Carville….He’s a mighty entertaining cracker….

Your rationale please? Perhaps the corollary question should be, why are AA’s so sexist?

I just wrote to CNN to complain that they are hitting Bill Clinton for his remarks about SC. Yes, he should not bring this up again but this is only because the media will spin it Obama’s way. They do not want to point out that in SC as in several other state, Obama lost the white vote BADLY. He got only 24%. The South Carolina Democratic Party has a huge AA membership – 40%. Without that he would have lost.
Does the media not understand that African Americans make up only about 12% of the population – less than Hispanics? Granted they are very motivated to vote in this election but if Obama has problems winning the white vote in Dem primaries, he is in big trouble in the GE.
Is this a sign of racism? I doubt it. I think the desire of AA’s to vote for a black candidate is what is skewing his numbers not that most white Dems will not vote for a black man. It is just that they are more likely to look at more than just race.
For our media to refuse to point this out is poltical correctness run amok. A lot of Dems I know do not realize how small a segment of the population the AA community is. If they want to be sure to choose a candidate who can win in the GE they need to factor this in. The media seems to have forgotten that they get special constitutional protection so that we can have an informed citizenry – an essential for democracy to vote. They seem to think that the job is to give us an entertained citizenry.

Absolutely true!

Every day now, Dean screams a bit louder for super delegates to declare their support (NOW!) for… Obama.

Because Dean and Donna B. have painted themselves into this Obama-or-else corner, the DNC isn’t even raising enough money to fund targeted down ticket races across the country. How pathetic that the fiscally-challenged and corrupt RNC has raised more $$ than Howard Dean!

Dean can’t possibly think we don’t notice his Obama fixation, can he? Obama was one of Dean’s original “Dean’s Dozen” candidates in 2004. (Google “Obama Dean’s Dozen” for links.)

Truly heavy sigh.

Your candidate is a racist….Obama has a serious conflict with his inner cracker…..He surrounds himself with racial suprematists….There’s just too many crackers in this country….

She’s not going to get the nomination because of poor strategy, poor money management, and a poor selection of campaign managers. She ran as the “experienced” candidate in a change election and ran a “big state” campaign ASSUMING she would not need the delegates in the flyover states. She and her team pissed off Black voters, dissed the Dems in Red States as “unimportant”, then were surprised when they needed two rule changes to be competitive, but got no help. Many of her husband’s former cabinet members chose the senator they barely knew over her, Red State governors and senators went for the change candidate, and he campaigned in 50 states. Add it all together and you get a decent candidate who ran the wrong campaign the wrong way against a guy who made much more successful strategic and tactical decisions. In the end, she proved for all her experience, she could not run the biggest most important enterprise of her life: her presidential campaign.

LOL….I’ll start workin on variations that would make everybody happy….I’ll let you know what I come up with…..

B-Rob:
OK, I’ll take a shot at your question, although it won’t convince you, and its a waste of time feeding the trolls. Hillary has never been a racist, and the Clintons have always had a sterling reputation in the Black community. It was the plan of Obama’s campaign all along, that the ONLY way they could win was to “gin-up” a racial argument (real, or, in this case, imagined and manufactured out of thin air) to peel away that African-American support. When the facts are fairly viewed, Blacks should AGAIN come to realize that Obama, while he may have been a source of pride for the Black Community, he has done absolutely nothing for them over many years, and has actually worked against the interests of the Black Community by standing by pushing wrong buttons and voting “present”, while taking money and influence from Tony Rezko and watching him take taxpayer money and turn the buildings in Obama’s district into slums. Election after election, pundits are puzzled by the number of folks who vote against what is clearly their own interests, and this election will likely be the same, in that respect. But Hillary thinks that she will be able to demonstrate the real and tangible benefits her efforts have actually provided to the Black Community, if she is able to get herself heard over the hopey changey mantra. She will certainly be able to demonstrate a better track record in that respect than McCain. Now, I’ve answered your question. You can leave now.

FL and MI is about Democracy and counting every vote to resolve the outcome of a contest — to ignore the wishes of a million people is sacrilege in a democracy. I won’t give my vote to somebody who does not respect it — a vote is a sacred thing in a democracy. Even his own ancestors have died for it — oh, wait his ancestors are from Kenya; may be it does not count, may be that is why he has a hard time understanding it. He is the nominee if you ignore the wishes a more than million people — do you like the sound of that? He will lose in November for that reason — he won’t lose just FL and MI but everywhere else where people are angry about his stance. There are not enough of you to make him win — check the youth turnout in PA.

That’s what I thought; you are worthless intellectually and really have no clue what you are talking about. You got
another F. No graduation for you.

You disparage Jesse Jackson because you are obviously too young to know and appreciate what an important part he played in civil rights. If you ever really heard him speak, you would never use the term jack-legged preacher. He is an eloquent and intelligent man who spoke well and effectively in the fight for rights for all. He was important to MLK. Obama should have been flattered to have his name mentioned in the same sentence. If you don’t know the lessons of history, you are doomed to repeat its mistakes. Maybe a little reading would help you…

2/3 of BABY-O’S base will evaporate if he is INSTALLED by the left as the candidate in the GE…..He will be soundly humiliated and spend the rest of his days in a Political wasteland chuckin out mediochre books…Listening to the endless harangueing of his wife….Smoking on the sly….I mean this will be sad….He has a bright future in Indonesia….Even Oprah will give up on him….

Donna Brazile is threatening to leave her position at the DNC if Obama isn’t the nominee? And why would we miss her?
If you’re going to make threats, Donna, then you have to put up something that people actually care about. She might as well has said that she’d take Howard Dean with her.

Your “corollary question” is logically flawed. It’d make sense if the comparison was with women. But it wasn’t.

Keep saying it, dude. You may start to believe it.

You really should put your talents to better use. Fight for good, not evil, know what I mean?

Excuse me, my typing got away from me. She might as well have said…not has.

I agree, I always enjoy watching, and listening to him, too.

I remember hearing him criticize Dean, early on, and thinking less of him, for it.

But he was right.

That’s not appropriate.

Tickets??? All proceeds to Hillary’s campaign???
Side bet? My money is on Uppity, knock out in the frist round!

R-Bob is also an “uneducated elitist” (ie.e a fake). He admitted so also a few posts back.

Sorry, this was supposed to go someplace else :*-J.

A campaign encouraging her to please follow up on her threats is in order.
Or maybe we should ask politely: Donna, please leave already.

Ehemmm….brob…..I refuse to vote for a RACIALSUPREMATIST….Obama is a racial suprematist who goes to a Black Separatist church….Facism bites don’t it…..

O.K., I give up – I was trying to say the latte in the face mark was inappropriate, then thought that got posted elsewhere. Ironically, I think I need a latte. But not in the face.

Later!

Kenya- hmmm- oh you mean that Kenya?? Where Obama’s cousin ran and lost and all of a sudden churches with people in them were getting burned to the ground?? THAT Kenya??

NO Obama! EVER!

Uppity…..You never know what will happen…I know I sound like I’m on crack but I’m tryin to keep my spirits up….I say let’s wait a little…Maybe a magical grownup will appear to bring sanity to the DNC….

Exactly! Now DNC did try to resolve it but Obama is standing in the way. If they still go ahead, then Obama and his minions will cry foul and that is what the DNC is afraid of. Obama does not have the character to say let us include FL and MI because that is the right thing to do. I think the SDs have to rise to the occasion and declare that they will decide taking all votes, FL and MI, into consideration and vote for whoever has the popular vote lead at the end of all primaries, one person, one vote, none of that delegate stuff. DNC story if he becomes the nominee and loses in November will be that he stood in the way of counting FL and MI — they will try save their butts and put it on his head. He will be one unwanted politician at the end of this cycle — he is playing a risky game for his own good.

There are now new revelations about Obama that make him a risky candidate for GE, not just for himself but down ticket, LA, NM, NC repubs are all doing TV/radio ads for their local contests. Read Krugman today: he aptly characterizes Obama’s campaign, how it went from “yes,we can” to “no, she can’t”. New politics, my foot. One more thing. Wright anyone? If you missed him, he will be there through the weekend and beyond. He seems angry that Obama has dissed him.

She can take BO with her as a consolation prize :-b. And Michelle! Their kids would be better off with someone else anyhoo.

I’d really like to know what’s wrong with Matthews, physically, medically. He’s translucent!

I’m guessing B-rob doesn’t even know that we’re actually SKIPPING his posts when we see his name.

Silly Obamanauts—they think the whole world centers around them.

It doesn’t.

November will come as a great surprise to them all….they really DO have to live in a world with people who disagree.

Yes, we wouldn’t want to count the votes, now would we? That would be democratic, and who wants that in a Democratic primary?

Uh, true Democrats? Ding, ding, ding! Correct! You have won a one-way ticket out of Bizarro World!
Congratulations

No, open primaries do though.

In PA, where HRC won by double digits, 1 in 10 voters were newly registered as Democrats.

Half of those ‘new’ Democrats were previously registered as Republicans.

Repeat: Half of the new D primary voters in PA were Republicans and HRC still won by double digits.

He won’t get the TWP vote in November.

Agree with you Mary….PETULANT PILLOW BITERS have a difficult time accepting that their candidate is a POLITICAL DISASTER and is headed for oblivion….

Mary, B-Rob is just a racist; it just drips from every post. He’s paid to come here and trash Hillary and her supporters. He doesn’t know why Obama is the better candidate, he’s just handed money to say he is. If the Hillary camp offered him more he would turn on a dime and argue the opposite points.

He’d sell out his own mother if the payout was big enough. Hey, maybe Obama really IS his preferred candidate!

SCOREBOARD!

Please stop this infantile bashing of Keith O.

Keith O. is a clown and deserves no respect. He is no journalist.
I have no interest in a bloviating entertainer; and that is the nicest
thing KO deserves.

So, Patrick Walker by your own token I could say: please stop your infantile defense of someone that disrespects all of us with his trash just because your a a “fan”.

Indeed !!

Well…I’m just sayin’ this whole thing has gotten pretty weird…Maybe the weirdness could work in Clinton’s favor…( sigh )

John: I agree with you this is the last year the we should hear from BO and his dreadful associations. He should be rejected.
If Obama is the nominee I’ll work for a Dem. Congress (and they are the ones; not the President that will have the power to confirm or block a Supreme Court nominee; not the pres.) and in no way will
do anything to help BO get elected.

Pelosi has no clue; she lives in an alternative world. Sooner or later she will be knocked down and will be forced to stop looking down on the voters.

And I’ll be laughing hard when `these rules’ come right back at you and bite you ass in Nov. So long Ellen. Hope you have a good life plan for the next 4 years of a McCain presidency for Obama is a loser and he is unlectable.

Personally…..I’d like to see Ol’ Bill in a smack down with Matthews et, al…..He’s got a new heart….I think it would be good…chuckle…

Talking Points Memo has a great analysis of the math here.

TPM?? Did you just tried to substantiate your post with a TPM article??

TPM are extreme BOmaniacs; they not only have nothing great but they do not even know what the meaning of “math” is.

It is totally false…

Chris, to make such a statement on first need to know what is true and how to think in a logical way. Your comment indicates you know neither.

Andy I agree…But then again education is in a sad state of affairs in GAZA….Chris yo need to shuffle on back to Gaza now…mmmkay….

It’s getting crowded here under the bus. The bus must be about empty now.

Dinner call in Gaza TruthPouter….Better shuffle on back now..mmmkay

Nancy will not retain her seat….She is a disaster and will be gone…..

Thanks PMS….I was in a serious quandry there….After this election I’m headin North…Kids 18 and I don’t have to stay in this republican wasteland anymore….I’ll always be a texan though but since that idiot Bush HIJACKED 2000 the election I’ve had to practice losin my accent….Remember kids horde your rice…

This is what I am talking about, people!

“Black Leader in House Denounces Bill Clinton’s Remarks”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/24/black-congressman-denounces-b-clintons-remarks/

“The third-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives and one of the country’s most influential African-American leaders sharply criticized former President Bill Clinton this afternoon for what he called Mr. Clinton’s “bizarre” conduct during the Democratic primary campaign.

“Representative James E. Clyburn, an undeclared superdelegate from South Carolina who is the Democratic whip in the House, said that “black people are incensed over all of this,” referring to statements that Mr. Clinton had made in the course of the heated race between his wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, and Senator Barack Obama.

* * *

“In an interview with The New York Times late Thursday, Mr. Clyburn said Mr. Clinton’s conduct in this campaign had caused what might be an irreparable breach between Mr. Clinton and an African-American constituency that once revered him. “When he was going through his impeachment problems, it was the black community that bellied up to the bar,” Mr. Clyburn said. “I think black folks feel strongly that that this is a strange way for President Clinton to show his appreciation.”

“Mr. Clyburn added that there appeared to be an almost “unanimous” view among African-Americans that Mr. and Mrs. Clinton were “committed to doing everything they possibly can to damage Obama to a point that he could never win.”

* * *

And did Clinton listen? Of course not!

“A Clinton campaign spokesman, Jay Carson, declined to specifically address Mr. Clyburn’s statements.

“’Look, President Clinton has an impeccable record on race, civil rights and issues that matter to the African-American community, the strongest of any president in our time,’ Mr. Carson said. He added that in making his radio remarks on Monday, the former president was ‘simply reacting to a deeply offensive accusation that runs counter to principles he’s held and worked for his entire life.’”

* * *

That is her husband’s arrogance, Hill fans, that cost her any shot to be president. Maybe in 2012 if McCain wins. Maybe in 2016 if Obama wins . . . heck, she would only be 68 and 68 is the new 58. But this year? No fcuking way she is getting any Black votes, so she cannot win.

LOL….Matthews is an ALBINO WANNABE….No ?

So you think she has run a GOOD campaign? You think the “let’s expect this will be done by Super Tuesday” strategy was a GOOD one? You think her campaign head HELPED HER by lobbying for the Colombians while Obama rejected the trade bill and she CLAIMED she opposed it? You think not paying your vendors was a GOOD way to manage money and build confidence in your management abilities? And having your Nevada campaign stay at the Bellagio was a GOOD expenditure of money? These were all SMART decisions from your calculation? OK . . . now I know why you people think she is winning this campaign: you just have a very different definition of “good” and “success” than the rest of us.

One Stop Early Voting in NC

All NC voters – Take advantage of this –

http://www.ncdp.org/earlyvote

A North Carolina resident who is qualified to register to vote may register In-Person and vote at a One-Stop Site in the person’s county of residence during the One-Stop Absentee Voting period. The One-Stop Voting period extends from 19 to 3 days before Election Day. (April 17 to May 3rd)

Hillary supporters, get all your family and friends in NC take advantage of this and vote for Hillary.
I know lot of people in family do not vote becoz they are fed up with politics, please motivate them to go vote for Hillary.

many of whom people he TOLD to go to the polls and vote “uncommitted”- simply do not count.

And if you count those uncommitted votes as Obama votes, he goes back ahead. But never mind those voters, they didn’t vote for Hillary so they shouldn’t count, right?

I’m posting this upfront because I think the point of this very important post has become derailed by insipid trolling right after this.
Please guys, don’t feed the trolls. It accomplishes just what they want, which is to distract us. I know it’s fun to insult them because they are so dumb and think they are smart, but this info is too important, and we have to fight. This is the time.

Since those voting numbers are so close and so much depends on it (like hundreds of thousands of lives potentially, from health insurance lack, continuing war, poverty, lack of jobs, etc., all of which Hillary is more able to fix), I think more investigations of the caucus and even primary process should be undertaken. Eg, did Obama really get all those votes in Illinois. He won by an extraordinary number of votes there. Remember how Obamapods were showing up illegally in Ohio. They were stopped only because the Ohio governor was for Hillary. But think of Illinois, where governor is hooked in with Rezco, likely crooked, also with Obama.

I heard so many reports of cheating by Os in Iowa, ie. being bussed in from Illinois, no ID, intimidation. The primary process prohibits some of this, but there are still opportunities for abuse, especially with no ID required, no proof of residency. I would bet many Os voted twice, or more than twice. Especially in Illinois. How about counting votes in Illinois? I have heard that O is not popular in Illinois, many do not like him because he hasn’t done much for them, especially regarding Exelon and nuclear leaks, which he did nothing about. I wonder about the accuracy of those numbers, which are way out of wack with every state.

These voting numbers are what all of this is going to come down to. Since everything is so close all those little differences add up to a big difference.
It would be insane for Dem party to hand this to Obama based on false numbers they are afraid to override, knowing he has a very good chance to lose the GE.

Many Repub pundits on TV are pushing O for that reason. One even had the nerve to say that winning the GE wasn’t that important (?!!!???) compared to not alienating AA voters, who could be enraged. Sure, like this guy, talking to dumb little brother in Monopoly game “Ya know, it doesn’t really matter if you win, just give me some of your hotels and houses. Comon, be nice. Maybe you’ll win next time.”

Everybody hang in there. I believe Obama will make another huge mistake within the next month-he just can’t help himself. I also think that he is tired, and doesn’t have the heart, like Hillary to keep going. Now that tougher questions are coming his way and less adoration, he isn’t handling it as well-(can anyone say waffle). Keep calling DNC and everybody else and let them know that what they are doing with Michigan and Florida is bullshi$!!!!

Bill Clinton has a record, a RECORD, on civil rights issues. His ties to the African American community go back to his childhood as a child in a poor, white family in Arkansas.

I understand that the nature of this primary race has raised some tensions, but for ANYBODY to imply that Bill Clinton has a racist bone in his body is shameful. This man has walked the walked. I don’t care what Rep. Clyburn said. He speaks for himself. Bill Clinton has earned his credibility on these issues.

More votes have been cast for Hillary than any other candidate in the history of Democratic primaries. That is a fact.

You can discount the delegates if you want, but those people in MI & FL voted. If you don’t want to count them, schedule a re-vote. Hillary’s supporters have offered to pay for it. Why is Obama afraid?

This may seem like sour grapes to you right now, but remember something. You need me. You need the Clinton Democrats in November. If Obama steals this nomination, then many of the Clinton Democrats will not support him.

We believe in Hillary Clinton and her candidacy. We won’t be railroaded in the name of “party unity.” If our candidate is screwed out of the nomination, there will be hell to pay on election day.

For me, I’ll vote (out of pure desparation) for whomever has a “D” next to his/her name. But I will not stop fighting for my candidate. Oh hell no. Hillary has been fighting for me for 35 years and I am going to fight for her all the way to the White House. I will not give up. I will not give in. I will not go away. After years of being discarded by my government I will not tolerate being treated unfairly by the Democratic Party.

You dismiss our frustration at the peril of Obama’s candidacy and the future of our nation.

If you knew what a “jack legged preacher” was, you would know that Jesse Jackson IS one. He is little more than an over-the-hill embarassment at this point. He is a reverend with no church who fathered a child out of wedlock and DOESN’T EVEN RAISE THE KID! He is not a seriuous person, as proved by the fact that he has NEVER tried to actually DO anything, only talk. Or as Marion Berry once said, “Jesse Jackson don’t wanna run nothin’ ‘cept his mouth.”

So Bill Clinton compared Obama, an Ivy League educated community activist, lawyer, law professor and elected U.S. Senator running for president, to Jesse Jackson . . . then was surprised that Black people got upset? OK . . .

Here is a lessonfor you: in the Black community, Jesse Jackson is no more “revered” a figure than Al Sharpton. Both are camara chasing charletans full of bombast who are not taken seriously. Clinton basically said, as far as he was concerned,”they” were all the same.

And having lived in Chicago, I know full well about Jesse Jackson and “history”. Even better, in Chicago, when you point out a Black politician who doesn’t actually do sh^t for the community, their supporters will always say the same thing: “You don’t know the history involved. He marched with Dr. King.” Sorry! Marching with Dr. King in the 60s doesn’t give you a pass for unethical or immoral behavior forty years later.

It is the very acceptance of lazy Black leadership that has held the community back for so long. And you know what Obama represents (along with Adrian Fenty andf Cory Booker)?– a new guard that is NOT going to settle for scraps (like Hillary us apparently throwing to her Black elected supporters), not going to settle for b.s. patronage, and not going to settle for the status quo. This is about real change, no pocket change!

And that is the beauty of Obama. He is self made. He came from nowhere and owes no one anything. Another reason why those who find the status quo acceptable (Hillary, Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Bob “Pimps and hoes videos are great” Johnson, Karl Rove, etc.) are so threatened and so against him.

he owes rezko, auchi, blagojevich, daley, giannoulias, exelon, the nevada mining lobby, pharma and investors. obama is bought and bossed, and you are too vacuous to notice.

Something to think about regarding “electability”

“On Obama’s Electability, Contra Judis”

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/04/23/on-obama-s-electability-contra-judis.aspx

key point:

“I agree that Obama will have a tough go of it against McCain. But the Clinton campaign has been marshalling the electability argument not as a reason for Democrats to feel glum about their inevitable nominee, but as a reason for superdelegates to flock to her. Their argument doesn’t work if Clinton is even weaker than he is.”

And as one comment put it:

“For all of Hillary’s brand recognition, institutional advantages (including the ferocious support of a former president), fund-raising head start and inherent appeal to the party’s core constituency (working class white women), she finds herself on the ropes, in debt and having to go hugely negative just to stay alive. Does any sane Democrat really think that this is a viable alternative to Obama?”

you are spamming. consider yourself banned.

Yup Bill has a record of helping and working for Blacks, Obama well he let them freeze while stuffing his pockets with Rezko money!

Bullsh*t. He showed his true colors when the chips were down and he compared Obama, a US senator, to Jesse Jackson, a jack legged preacher. And as far as him “standing for civil rights”, Bill Clinton didn’t “stand” and fight for Lani Guinier or Henry Foster, did he? He had two Supreme Court seats and he couldn’t find ONE Black person to fill one? What? Clarence Thomas filled the “Black seat” quota? Just because you like to play golf and talk p^ssy with Vernon Jordan does NOT make you a man of the Black people. It makes you a White liberal poser with a “best friend” who is Black.

Bill Clinton has now shown his true colors because a Black man was standing between him and something HE wanted. Which is why he played the “Jesse Jackson” race card and why Jim Clyburn is pissed at him. And that is also why Black people will NOT vote for Hillary of she steals this nomination.

Funny . . . I’m not banned even though you said I was!

That’s the problem with you Hill-bots: you think you have influence that you simply do not have. Hence the HILARIOUS petitions,etc. calling for Obama, who is WINNING THE FRIGGIN RACE, to drop out! Hey, people — I know him self-imploding or having some Ross Perot like mental breakdown is the only way the Warrior Queen of Tuzlah can get the nomination, but SHEESH! A petition? Is there anything more feckless than that?

Interesting that thatis your take on “Bill and Black people”. Unfortunately for you, Black people tend to disagree and want little to do with him or his wife at this point. Oh, well . . . there’s always 2016! Maybe she can mend some fences over the next 8 years and come back strong! Maybe Chelsea will have had a kid or two by then and Hillary could then be a Golda Meir, tough granny kind of candidate!

voting for Obama is the surest way to guarantee an overwhelming McCain victory in the general election in November … and four years of Republicans.

Is this a White Hillary supporter’s perspective on how Black voters “should” feel? I would expect as much . . . . Probably the same perspective that Obama should have been “honored” to be offered the Number 2 position when he is leading her!

Indeed, given that she is trailing with little statistical chance of overtaking Obama, I would think that Hillary would be happy to get an offer to be the VP in an Obama administration. But I know she would never take it. Because, as a Black female acquaintance put it, “Miss Daisy doesn’t drive.”

to Jesse Jackson, a jack legged preacher.

Wow. That’s some hatin’ there, boy.

Don’t let the good reverend white hear your TRUE FEELINGS for African Americans … you goin’ back to the obamabrats with that riff?

You’re a real prince!

to Jesse Jackson, a jack legged preacher.

Be gone. You’re out. You’re a racist and you come here preaching to me?

Telling me about me? Telling me about Hillary?

G.m.a.f.b.! Jesse Jackson is a bufoon. And for Bill Clinton to compare Obama to Jackson . . . do you even ACKNOWLEDGE that Black people are pissed of at both Bill and Hill? Or are you one of those people who expect Black people to pull the lever for Hillary anyway? If you are, you are in for a rude awakening!

Half assed or unprofessional. Not authorised or done while drunk. Someone who does a jack-leg job is called a jack

Oh, so that everyone here understands the full impact of the statement made about Jesse Jackson Jr’s father:

Half assed or unprofessional. Not authorised or done while drunk. Someone who does a jack-leg job is called a jack.

Ehemmmm……..HOWL……..nuff said…..LOL

Now I’M a racist? Well I guess it takes one to friggin know one!

Do you at all see the irony of the Number 2 contestant (trailing by all measures) offering the leader the Number 2 slot on HER ticket? Takes some real stones to screw your mouth to utter those words! But do you even acknowledge how arrogant that was? Or do you think it was a swell magnanimous offer?

The only thing Bill Clinton did was get caught with his zipper down….BFD…The Europeans are still laughin at that one….American puritanism…..Pleeeez…

to Jesse Jackson, a jack legged preacher. Try spinning that back in Obamaland.

Be gone. You’re out. You’re a racist and you come here preaching to me?

Telling me about me? Telling me about Hillary?

Hmmmm…….Maybe my special Donna VooDoo doll is working….Hmmmm

So again, you’d rather vote for policies that are anathema to your chosen candidate… policies that will continue the current damage – just because you dislike Obama?

“5th Columnist”… I presume that’s a reference to Ayers? So, it’s okay that Bill pardoned two terrorists – accused cop killers found unloading 740 pounds of dynamite and a submachine gun from their car, and they were members of a domestic terrorist group that bombed the US Congress, the Pentagon, and the State Department – Hillary now claims she didn’t know about the pardon??? C’mon, that claim doesnt even come close to passing the credulity test.

Anyway, I’m more flabbergasted by the first part…

brob….You are a sexist as well….most fascists are…..

Yeah, that would be the beauty of leaving people with no heat in the slums in Chicago and borrowing money from the slumlord to buy your house in a neighborhood with the middleclass white folk your pastor condemns every Sunday … I totally see your logic.

You don’t understand logic, period. But I will lay it out for you. McCain is not a good choice for president. But he has not spent 20 years listening to a “minister” who hates America. McCain is NOT good friends with a terrorist who regrets he has not killed enough Americans. Obama is both of those.

Kevin, a vote for Obama is a vote for McCain.

Voting for Obama guarantees a McCain victory. If that bothers you so much, then join us in voting for Hillary. She at least carries Massachusetts. Don’t I recall Unca Ted (from Massachusetts) campaigning for BOBO in Massachusetts (and PA) and that not doing much for BOBO? And now, BOBO polls worse than “old” John?

hahahahaha That is just Karma!

And yet she can’t beat a guy who is supposedly unelectable. What does that make her? Double unelectable? Get a grip!

President Clinton did not pardon the two terrorists. He commuted their sentences after they had served much of their sentences and expressed remorse for what they had done. Since you don’t understand this after many others have explained it before, you are either terminally stupid or, more likely, intentionally lying. But lying only works when you tell them to people who don’t already know better.

OK . . . I took a couple feminist law classes in law school (McKinnon, Dworkin, Rich, etc.) and took a couple classes in college as well, so I consider myself fairly versed on these things. Please enlighten me as to what I wrote that is in any way “sexist”.

And what is your definition of “racist”? Not sure what I wrote that you consider “racist” so please enlighten me!

Wrong, but since I see you’re going to go with semantic games… He didn’t pardon them, he gave commuted the sentences. Funny, the Prosecuting attorneys, and Congress in it’s condemnation describes it as a pardon.

Anyway, that’s not the point – and the fact that rather than address the comparison, you focus there is very telling.

Obama is John McCain’s ticket to the White House. Cindy McCain is looking at patterns for a new rug in the Oval office.

Bee… as you know (you’ve commented on it before) – I’m going to vote for whomever the dem candidate is – either one represents policies that benefit me; McCain – can’t even come close to saying that.

Kevin:

I know that Uppity has some strange belief that you can be redeemed (I personally save that faith for abused animals) and you say that you will vote for “the Democratic party candidate — whoever that is.” And yet. You never defend anyone but Obama. You bring arguments here that are tangental to the real discussion — the weather underground commutations by then President Clinton — as though they were meaningful to the current discussion.

So, see? I just don’t find you believable. JMHO

And as for me I find a President McCain much better than a President O …. O … goodness, I can’t even bring myself to say it!

Sounds like you’re reading off a list. If I likewise started reading off a list of BO’s campaign FUs, we’d be here all night.

Of course people are going to make mistakes. The smart money, the ethical money, is on the candidate who makes the least amount of mistakes, and makes the most sense. And that is Senator Hillary Clinton, by a country mile. BO’s campaign is one mistake after another, and another, and another…

workingclassartist, these comments are so nested, it’s hard to tell which comment belongs to whom. I was addressing a troll, B-Rob, whose original post begins “Comment by B-Rob | 2008-04-25 08:09:16 Hey, here is a question:.” I would never question your wanting votes counted. I gotta say, I consistently love your comments – you’re definitely a source of support and sanity, as so many are here.

This is wrong. Hillary got just as many independents and Republicans as Obama did in Ohio, and currently she does better than Obama against McCain according to Gallup.

Did you watch the video there, or are you just talking out of your ass? TPM may be supporting Obama (I’m not sure that is the case), but their content is solid. Watch the video before you criticize their math.

The bottom line is that Hillary can’t claim the popular vote without disenfranchising the caucus states, and including BOTH Michigan AND Florida votes. I have conceded Florida, but you can’t give Obama zero Michigan votes, and counting popular votes in caucus states is not fair.