It was set in an auditorium which would make anybody nostalgic about any good thoughts about ancient or futuristic grandeur, or at least open space. And then there is a pathetic actor who was drooling on the stage for some reason.

My other attraction was the opening tune of the fute, it was definitely from the other Pakisthan, easily recognizable on the other side of the border.

I am not a humanist, bit insensitive in these affairs, but I can very well understand if somebody starts crying after listening the sweet music and …

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo7Aufw5EuI

to know that, the lady who had who filled life into that dead auditorium and then covered the evening with a thick touch is apparently honor killed.

Her voice, trained lifelong to deliver melodious music, might have dried up in deep corners, utterly incapable to describe the intense fear, when being attacked by barbarians. Then and there, If one looked at the army generals, macho nationalists of past, who ruled in their day, they would certainly look like eunuchs .

Just a cheap shot with nothing to back it up!

Funny you are typical of the people on this website. You can’t stand an opposing view for a second. That is the sign of a “delusional clown”.

some of your concerns regarding India- including the blackmailing, exploiting dangerous instruments such as nukes might be based either on incorrect information or perception from a distance. That is, if you are not holding on to that conspiracy prone and indulgent subject of geopolitics.

Let me say that, it is extremely difficult for an Indian politician to talk about the military stuff rudely, irresponsibly and then simultaneously win over the population as a benign person.

My response to your passage was based on two factors that I considered important ( Not on geopolitics or that freaking nuclear deal) : Money and military hardware. India gets most of its money and good will from west through trade. It imports most of its military hardware from Russia. These arrangements couldn’t be classified as blackmail.

The Indians know how to get things done decisively but discreetly.

This is a lot of praise, to many it would sound like a sweet Gazhal(song), previously unheard off, nobody bothered to say it to bunch of our politicians before

Have a good day.

The fact remains, however, that it is a mistake to discuss the geopolitical realities of South Asia and pretend India doesn’t exist, or that India has no self-interest at stake. Let me add that India has one of the best under-the-radar lobbying operations in Washington. Remember the US-India Nuclear Deal? How many excitable Indians spin doctors did you see on TV or hear on the radio prior to the signing? None you say? Correct. The Indians know how to get things done decisively but discreetly. If the Pakistanis took a page from the Indian playbook, which of course they won’t because they’re too busy squabbling amongst themselves, they’d be much better off.

And I learned long ago that when an Indian or Pakistani with strong views wants to engage me in a conversation about Kashmir it’s best that I move on. Nothing personal. I just think it’s time for both parties to stop scaring the rest of the planet half to death by threatening to nuke each other over a piece of land.

The fate of a singer in the above link.

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On a hillarious suggestion,
One of the cost effective ways to take on taliban is by declaring that their camps are mercilessly hit by Indian drones. It will shame them to no end, they would lose public support in a couple of years.

In the heart of Pakisthan there lies a little Frankeistein :- Any body who can be a greater menance for India is simultaneously a good nationalist and good musalman. If Musharaf has done a deceiving plan to engineer an invasion then his stock rises.If it sinks in that India gave a blow to Musharaf lead invasion, then the army stock goes down.If the jehadi terrorism do spectacular attacks, then their stock rises.

Unfortunately the Jehadis have done a lot of ground work here.

DCM says : but the fact is that both Pakistan AND India have been extremely effective at using their nukes, escalating crises both internal and external and making mischief against each other in places like Kashmir, etc., to shake down and blackmail the West into giving each respective party what it wants.

This sounds profound, but it is profoundly misleading.

When I read stories of taliban takeover, where influential local people are dislodged- their property taken over by invaders to turn into training camps, When I read the influence of state even in punjab, where they managed to cover up the identity of Kasab by taking his relatives away and putting a gag order on the villages, I think the Frankenstein has not been helpful to anybody. Taking away the property after an invasion reminds me to what happened in Kashmir in my life time, thats why I can identify with it so strongly.

The weak links are largely out of our hands — a Pakistani army that holds the real power in the country and a civilian government that is corrupt and divided, totally incapable of effective action. Zardari blames the Bush administration for a force first and force only policy towards the Pakistanis while turning a blind eye to Taliban infiltration from Afghanistan. The Pakistani army comes with a four year history of failed operations against the insurgents followed by appeasement agreements and never seems to learn from these defeats what it means to successfully fight a counterinsurgency. Neither the government or the military has a coherent strategy to defeat the militants on its territory. If they can’t win on the ground, there needs to be an articulated political initiative. Until that happens, any American strategy, no matter how well constructed, is doomed to failure.

If the Taliban does take over Pakistan it will give him another chance to kneel and apoligize for the U.S. action in extracating them from Afghanistan.

My personal concern is for the women in the areas that the Taliban is beginning to control. Ever since I watched the beating given to a woman who’d left her home with an unrelated male, I can’t get that image out of my head. God I hate those fanatics.

Not to downplay or trivialize the seriousness of the events on the ground, but the fact is that both Pakistan AND India have been extremely effective at using their nukes, escalating crises both internal and external and making mischief against each other in places like Kashmir, etc., to shake down and blackmail the West into giving each respective party what it wants.

Some US officials suspect duplicity on the part of the government of Pakistani President Asaf Ali Zardari.

In fairness to Zardari, I paraphrase what I wrote before: He’s hardly the first and he definitely won’t be the last.

We are will going to be so sorry, it’s not even funny. Obama is off apologizing for Bush much of the time, but think of the apologies we’ll have to give after Obama. OMG! If any of us are still able!

It is one thing to show respect to allies and even enemies – it is quite another to kneel down to your enemy and believe you can sing kumbaya.

Hillary’s remark about the Taliban taking control of pakistan and their nuclear weapons as “unthinkable” does not seem to have penetrated the Obama teleprompter and certainly was not in any critical/probing questions thrown at Obama last night.

This is a commander-in-chief who canot even control his own personal jet.

I believe he should forget about his campaign B.S. and start listening and following instructions from David Patraeus.